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John Kasich: The Candidate Who Wouldn’t Leave (nationalreview.com)

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[–]Clatsopvincit omnia veritas [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

...Kasich has lost some 30 contests and won one — in his home state of Ohio. But still, he just won’t go. It’s not just that Kasich can’t take a hint, it’s that he appears to be living in a kind of fantasy world...

Kasich is delusional if he thinks he can win at the convention.

[–]brettpilkington07 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Does it seem to you that he knows something that we don't? Obviously, with the way the rules are right now, he won't be eligible at the convention. But I watched interviews with him and Reince over the weekend, and Kasich seems very upbeat about being able to get to the convention and take the nomination, and Reince basically all but said that rules are going to be changed.

[–]ReasonEvidenceLogic [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The establishment doesn't even like Kasich though. Romney called for him to drop out

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure the "establishment" has a good track record.

[–]brettpilkington07 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So how does it play out with the establishment/vs Trump or Cruz? I haven't read too much about HOW the rules are made or changed once they are there-- the comment above suggested that the people who come in with more delegates get more sway over the rules. But then isn't it ultimately the RNC's convention and they can figure out ways to change the rules for their party? This is all very fascinating.

[–]ReasonEvidenceLogic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think they'll go for Cruz or an outsider if Trump misses 1237 by 100 delegates or more. If he's really close, the uncommitted delegates will probably give it to Trump

[–]universal_strawConstitutional Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I used to agree with you that he might know something more, but at this point I really think he's just that delusional.

[–]meh1234 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, Reince just doesn't want to count Kasich out completely as there are still 16 states left and it's theoretically possible. Highly unlikely, not probable but possible. Once there are only 6 states left that door closes on Kasich as rule 40 is still in. Between Trump and Cruz they will hold 80% of the delegates going into convention. Any rule change will need to go through them first --- so Kasich is essentially toast.

[–]Hashi856 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think the establishment will try to change the rules before or during the convention.

[–]Grigs007 [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

At this point I think it's incredibly insulting as a voter that he is still in. There is no path for him other than some kind of back door delegate manipulation at a convention. Which is basically saying to the voters, "We don't care who you voted for, this isn't a democracy, piss off". The same message is conveyed when the GOP establishment hints at some new nominee being introduced at the convention. Fuck the GOP establishment, seriously.

[–]mailmanofsyrinx [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I don't like that the contested convention is being referred to as a big "fuck you" to democracy. That is completely wrong. The primaries are elections for the leader of an organization, rather than the leader of the government. The Republican party does not need to nominate the popular candidate. They have their own charter, and they are free to nominate who they please. They give the electorate a chance to nominate the Republican candidate. If that process fails, as it has this year, they reserve the right to choose the nominee by their own mechanism.

The primary elections this year have demonstrated one thing: The electorate is undecided about who should be the candidate. It's difficult to tell whether people actually support Cruz, or if they are just strategically voting for him over Trump.

The Republican party needs to consider these questions in their nominating process, but regardless of who they choose, they will not be slighting the democratic process, because it has no constitutional legitimacy in this process.

That being said; I can't stand Kasich because he is an agent of Trump and a detriment to the Republican party as a whole, regardless of his intentions.

[–]chabanaisStronger than derp [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I think all primaries should be closed ones. You may be right about contested conventions but it will probably not be seen that way nor will the journolists describe it that way.

[–]mailmanofsyrinx [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're right. I'm trying to do what I can to combat that. Other people need to join me.

[–]brettpilkington07 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

exactly this

[–]mrfurious2k [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That being said; I can't stand Kasich because he is an agent of Trump and a detriment to the Republican party as a whole, regardless of his intentions.

I'm not sure I agree with that statement. I think he's being funded by the most left-wing of Republicans because they genuinely want a left-wing establishment candidate. Non-Republicans are funding him in order to sow chaos. While Trump does benefit from Kasich staying in to a large degree, Kasich isn't doing it to benefit Trump. I'd wager he's trying to deny Cruz a surge in order to make a play for the convention. That's his sole strategy.

That all said, if a candidates aren't strong enough on their own to clench the nomination regardless of the number of competitors, then Republicans in real trouble because how can they convince the general public?

[–]chillenchillada [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It isn't a democracy. It's a party primary. They don't owe the voters shit.

[–]eloquentnemesis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

...and the voters dont owe them a vote in the general.

[–]-Shank- [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I know it's a bit of a naive statement since it hardly ever happens, but the point of politicians is to uphold the positions of the people who voted them into power. If they figuratively tell their voting base to piss off and that they're doing their own thing with the most powerful political office in the country, good luck winning any office moving forward.

[–]ohaiitzwill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If they figuratively tell their voting base to piss off and that they're doing their own thing with the most powerful political office in the country, good luck winning any office moving forward.

This is the beauty of living in a Republic and not a Democracy. In a Democracy if the people got together, they could vote a goat into any position in office. With a Republic, and the two-party system we have, there is a recognition that sometimes the people can get it wrong, i.e. majority tyranny. If the RNC refuses to allow Trump the nomination (even in the off chance he has all the delegates required), they are fully within their power to do so and are allowed to appoint someone they view as a better option for the people. Does this look bad? Yes; but the system in place is far better than having full Democracy in which tyranny of the majority seeks to limit the freedoms of the people through Democracy and through dishonest political ends.

[–]KombatWombat1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What i find almost as interesting is that he is still snagging over 10% of the vote even though he literally has no chance to his 1237. I actually liked him a great deal until it became a three-man race and he started acting like he knew something no one else did. I guess he probably does, why else would he still be in it?

[–]puddboy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Kasich is looking more and more like a selfish jerk.

[–]adamaoc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No joke, this guy is getting on my nerves and I'm not a big Cruz supporter and I can't stand Trump... but this guy... He'll never get the nomination at the convention and if he does, then that would be the destruction of the Republican Party. Everyone wants to say Trump will destroy the party (and maybe he already has) but handing the nomination over to Kasich would definitely do so.

[–]Glsbnewt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm glad to finally see some pushback against Kasich's messiah complex

[–]QSector [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Kasich remaining in the race is pretty much guaranteeing Trump the nomination, at least based on delegate counts thus far.

[–]PerceivedShift [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Kasich remaining in the race is pretty much guaranteeing Trump the nomination, at least based on delegate counts thus far.

I wouldn't say it guarantees Trump anything, as Cruz still has a chance at the nomination even with Kasich dragging himself along. Although he is making the fight a little more difficult for Cruz for sure. This race should be 1v1, not 1v1v.5

[–]vanburen1845 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I disagree that it helps Trump at this point. Kasich plays better in a lot of remaining states with thresholds where Cruz will have a harder time taking delegates from Trump. I don't see a path for Cruz to get 1237, even 1v1, so delegates are everything. He wants to be the compromise convention candidate, which you can be mad about for a different reason. I think it's hard to tell the guy who polls the best against Clinton right now to get out (whether or not those numbers are predictive for November), no matter how people feel about an open convention.

[–]Lepew1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

13 of the 17 original candidates had the grace to leave when they realized they had no path to the presidency.

Not John Kasich. No, not John Kasich.

Look at Walker. He left, then came back. His turnaround for Cruz in WI is another gold star on his record of success. Walker is a savvy politician who has timing.

Not John Kasich. No, not John Kasich.

[–]ReasonEvidenceLogic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

14 left on time. Rubio had a chance until Florida

[–]andrewheller [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a Cruz supporter, but I say let kasich stay in. I like seeing Soros waste his money on a loser. Plus, Cruz has shown he can still win a majority with him in the race. Yeah, it makes it harder for him, but we all know Cruz likes a challenge.

[–]catdecal#NEVERTRUMP [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As a strong Cruz supporter, I have what is (in this forum) a contrary opinion.

I think it is important for Kasich to stay in through the NY Primary. There is no way Cruz will beat Trump in NY, but there is a chance that Cruz and Kasich combined will keep Trump under the 50% threshold and deny him some delegates.

Of course if he were out SOONER like he should have been, Cruz would have LOTS more delegates already. This comment isn't an endorsement of his overall strategy, but rather from a point of view of where we are today.