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[–]FeezbullGiggs 10ポイント11ポイント  (15子コメント)

Ok one simple question:

Then who should our next manager be? A credible and proper suggestion would be nice.

[–]StannisJrScholesy -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Giggsy! /s

This will probably go unanswered or people will suggest unrealistic managers as usual.

[–]tartanbornandred[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Pochettino would fit the bill and is my proper and credible suggestion as requested.

The key point is that the manager needn't necessarily be the proven star; but as illustrated by Bayern and Barca with Heynkes, Guardiola, Enrique, the most important thing is that the manager fits the clubs ethos. Giggs fits that criteria but obviously represents a risk with the lack of experience. The advantage Giggs has over Mourinho is that Giggs wont undo the rebuilding we've been working on.

Other than those two, United will be far more aware of the promising managers around the world who would fit our desired approach far better than a fan who doesnt watch too much outside the premiership and champlions league.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like a lot of people would take Poch over Mourinho. But there is literally no chance he's coming this summer. He loves it at Spurs, the supporters love him and Levy would be hell to deal with. He'll go to Madrid once Zidane gets sacked.

[–]Pigeon_AssholeBlind's Sexy Hair 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He'll go to Madrid once Zidane gets sacked.

So Christmas then?

[–]FeezbullGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I too think he's a good option and actually a better fit in terms of the transition to a different but close enough style to what we currently employ.

However, he's not realistic I think as well. Why? He's built a great thing so far at Tottenham that may or may not come to fruit yet. Surely he wants to continue and see it bear fruit (as he wanted with Southampton but they disagreed on the funding/selling etc) so, he's not likely wanting to leave to start building things over again with us.

And by the time he may want to leave, Spurs might be good enough that we aren't any better besides a brand name versus say, Madrid in a way.

Thanks for a proper response advocating discussion instead of the countless others suggesting Giggs or, erm erm... Not answering when asked who else.

Cheers.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What makes you think Poch would come?

Other than those two, United will be far more aware of the promising managers around the world who would fit our desired approach far better than a fan who doesnt watch too much outside the premiership and champlions league.

Worked well with LVG and his "attacking philosophy" didn't it?

[–]tartanbornandred[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've covered my view on van Gaal and his philosophy and what I believe he is trying to do in my post.

What I am saying is we cannot abandon our well set out plan because it has been tough this season. If we keep doing that we end up like Real changing manager every season or two and ending up making reactionary appointments that do more harm than good.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ending up making reactionary appointments that do more harm than good.

Sticking with the same manager and showing no signs of progress also will do more harm than good. Why should we stick with his philosophy if we haven't seen any improvement? It makes zero sense. We have had the exact same tactical issues two seasons in a row, dropping silly points and no signs of that changing. Struggling to finish fourth two seasons in a row (ESPECIALLY when all the big teams are doing poor this season) should be deemed isn't improvement, it's regress.

[–]Idislikemyroommate -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've always wondered why Laurent Blanc hasn't being touted more often.

He's an ex player and a good manager. Has built a decent PSG side (albeit with a lot of money) and has shown he is capable of managing in the Champions League.

It's not that I'm calling him to be the manager but I've wondered why he hasn't been mentioned as much.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Maybe because he's only done it in the French league and people see PSG as strong enough to get the results he's gotten in CL football so, it's par/not too special.. Maybe.

[–]Idislikemyroommate 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can see that of course but managers have been hired on less. I mean wasn't Pellegrini hired on the basis of his Champions League success with Malaga?

[–]FeezbullGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Malaga. PSG walk the league in general... Not the same really. But yeah he also managed madrid remember?

Blanc isn't a bad manager. Just that people think he's not a tested manager maybe. I think he's good and it'd be nice to see him do well somewhere else too but, there's no reason for him to leave unless it's for a big job I would say. Great city/job/club/funds/players.

[–]ManUToasterDiego Forlan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How's Champions League success with Malaga less impressive than the same with PSG? Also, Pellegrini was already an established manager that had coached big teams like Real Madrid... Blanc has only managed PSG if I'm not mistaken... He's done well but Ligue 1 is still a joke and tbh he should probably be doing better in the CL, I guess we'll see how it goes this year. I still think going from wrapping up League 1 mid season vs the competition of the PL would be a massive shock for him, shit I think it'll be a massive shock for Pep and he's definitely more qualified.

[–]knoxisbackMemphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

He signed a new contract at PSG not too long ago.

[–]Idislikemyroommate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hm fair enough, though it does seem that whenever a new manager comes available they are often linked with the PSG job.

Also contracts aren't always the best indication of whether managers are available or not.

[–]NestledrinkHerrera 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bayern, Barca, and Fergie's United all eclipse those side’s achievements and, in this era of money centric football, have dominated year after year

Not sure which Barca team you're talking about but in their current team, they literally bought Neymar and Suarez. Also Turan, Aleix Vidal, Rakitic, Mascherano, Vermalen, etc etc.

Tone down the rose tinted glass a bit, shall we?

[–]jbiresqHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even Messi is a once in 30 year talent that no club could rely on their academy to produce. Even Iniesta is a generational talent. They hit the jackpot with their academy but, like you said, they've been going outside it a lot lately to get talent.

[–]NestledrinkHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like our class of 92. There is no others like them, really.

[–]oranguthang87 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Who then should be the next United manager?

This kind of post always takes place after we have a few wins in a row. Nothing new here

[–]Irish-DevilThe Beautiful Ander Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who then should be the next United manager?

This kind of redundant reply always takes place when somebody points out the flaws in Mourinho. Nothing new here

[–]tartanbornandred[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pochettino would fit the bill.

The key point is that the manager needn't necessarily be the proven star; but as illustrated by Bayern and Barca with Heynkes, Guardiola, Enrique, the most important thing is that the manager fits the clubs ethos. Giggs fits that criteria but obviously represents a risk with the lack of experience. The advantage Giggs has over Mourinho is that Giggs wont undo the rebuilding we've been working on.

Other than those two, United will be far more aware of the promising managers around the world who would fit our desired approach far better than a fan who doesnt watch too much outside the premiership and champlions league.

[–]knoxisbackMemphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Poch wouldn't leave spurs after the amazing season they'd have. Not realistic at all.

[–]oranguthang87 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

there is no way in hell we get Poch this season...

he has built a good team @ Tottenham and I don't see him leaving. If we don't get Mou this off season, we won't be able to get anyone else anytime soon. And I honestly can't stand another season under LVG at this point.

[–]K-QuickBeckham 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This detailed approach may be overkill for professional footballers, or it may be exactly what is required for van Gaal to create his vision, his masterpiece.

Who have you been watching this season? We've invested so much money and his vision or "masterpiece" is even worse.

I don't see the logic in not even considering Mourinho when his as our alternative option ffs.

[–]Entrepreneur_GirlJuan Manuel Mata García 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would actually take the time to read this but I've seen a post like this soooooooooo many times. What makes your post different from the rest that you think can change fans point of view?

[–]StannisJrScholesy 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Right now it seems most fans want any signs of sustained improvement leading to any success, rather than more regress. If we continue to regress then we become further and further away from any success.

we need a manager who will build something that can be carried on after they leave.

That's assuming the next manager that comes in will want to play possession-based football. If they want to do it their way (which they most likely will) then automatically whatever LVG is doing is going to be broken again. And why would any manager want to continue with a system that has proved to not work well in the PL?

[–]tartanbornandred[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes we need an established style and ethos, then manager after manager who will evolve the setup left to them, not dismantle it and start again.

Other clubs manager this fine.

[–]StannisJrScholesy -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

And why would any manager want to continue with a system that has proved to not work well in the PL?

The only options for possession football who seem good at it are Tuchel and Pep - both unrealistic.

You can't just tell a manager to continue LVG's system. They will want to implement their own ideas and what has worked well with them in the past, what they're familiar with.

[–]tartanbornandred[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And a key part of what I am saying is that in Ferguson, Guardiola, Enrique, Heynkes, and more, United, Barca, and Bayern have proven that it is more important to appoint a manager that fits the club rather than one who is necessarily established as a top manager beforehand.

[–]darthese 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How much help has youth been to these club? I think youth is overrated if we had an absolute great talent in our ranks with the right discipline and proper training he'll rise to the top Jose can't stand in the way of that. The big clubs are doing well because they have the best player it's that simple. Jose can help at least too slow down the tide of the best players joining LA liga or Bayern.

[–]tartanbornandred[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

18 league titles and 3 European cups won by Fergie and Busby embracing and establishing our heritage of youth development. Everything about United has been built on youth; his can you ask how much help youth players have been?

You are right that top youth talents will rise regardless of Mourinho, just not at his club while he is manager; see Lukaku.

[–]GurpreetMannManchester United -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find it strange that we claim to be a possession based team but when we are defending a lead, we never seem to be able to keep the ball?

 

For me, the philosophy needs to go and I'll be ecstatic with Mourinho coming in