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[–]Sporzgamma hedged like a boss 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

[T]he market for interest-rate swaps, the largest in the world, is $319 trillion in size, according to the Bank for International Settlements.

This is one of my pet peeves about reporting on derivatives.

This $319 trillion figure is the notional value of all the world's interest rate swaps (IRS) - original BIS report. But if you look just a little to the right, you'll see a thing called "gross market value", which is under $10 trillion for IRS.

What is the difference? Well, if you're talking about the size of Planet Interest Rate Swap, you probably should talk about how much Planet Interest Rate Swap is worth, not a different figure. (Note also that it's gross market value - this is because if you and I have a swap, and it's worth plus $1 million to you, it's worth negative $1 million to me, so together our swap positions are worth exactly zero...but that's neither meaningful or interesting)

To illustrate the difference, say we have a forward contract for a barrel of oil. This agreement says you will buy a barrel of oil for $30 from me in three months. The notional value of this contract is $30. If oil ends up costing $31 when the contract is due, you are able to pay $30 for something worth $31. The value of the contract then is...not $30 (the notional value), not $31 (the spot price), but...$1, because that's what the contract saves you.

So that's how you get market values that are (almost) always much smaller than the notional.

I use the crude oil forward example because it's tangible and simpler, but interest rate swaps work very similarly - a (vanilla) swap is the same as a bunch of forward contracts, like one every three months, and instead of a bet on the price of oil, it's a bet on an interest rate.

This notional value figure, in the hundreds of trillions of dollars and several times global GDP, often gets used breathlessly by journalists and (especially) doomsaying cranks to say "OHMAHGERD, DERIVATIVES ARE HUGE, THEY'RE GOING TO KILL US ALL, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!" but as you can see the figure is highly misleading.

The article doesn't breathlessly say this, which is why I'm charitably not writing it up as an RI, but it's still wrong.

And to add irony, the article is about bad swap accounting.

[–]VodkaHazeTotally not a Rcist 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Get out of here, this is a gold comment, or even a RI post

<3

[–]Sporzgamma hedged like a boss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It feels like an innocent error though on the part of the journalist who wrote it rather than real malice or ignorance. In the context of the article it's kind of a side mention.

If I see a Zero Hedge or some shit post that makes it a central theme again I'll make an RI with the same argument.

[–]Jericho_Hill#StickyLivesMatter #SupportTheMods 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good comment man, you explained this well!

[–]miscsubs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The notional value of this comment is 6 million upvotes. THIS COMMENT IS NOW TOO BIG TO FAIL AND IT NEEDS TO BE BROKEN UP.

[–]ExUnoPlures 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, that's one less thing to live in mortal terror of.

Do we have anyone well-versed in human-snake relations here?