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[Post Matchday Thread] Manchester United vs Everton (self.reddevils)

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This is the Post MATCHDAY thread, a separate and completely different post to the regular post match thread. These posts are to generate a more level-headed discussion of the game, after everyone has had time to reflect on what happened.

FT: Manchester United 1 - 0 Everton

Anthony Martial 1-0

credit to /u/rodrigoelcrack

Match Thread

Post Match Thread

BBC Report

Sir Bobby Mosaic & Flags

Highlights/Full Match

Stats

Shots On Target Corners Fouls Possession
Man Utd 10 2 5 15 54%
Everton 7 1 5 6 46%

Official MOTM: Anthony Martial

Notable Performers: Daley Blind, Timothy Fosu-Mensah.

Talking Points

  • Still one point off City but two clear of West Ham after they drew with a struggling Crystal Palace side.

  • We have our likely toughest fixture for the remainder of the season at Tottenham on Sunday while City host West Brom and West Ham host Arsenal.

  • Compared to other matches this season, LVG's substitutions and overall tactics (especially after a pedestrian first half with no shots or corners for either side) were a positive influence in securing the three points.

  • Several young players connecting for one of our best team goals of the season.

Match Stats

  • Manchester United have become the first team to score 1,000 Premier League goals at home.

  • Ten of United's 15 Premier League games at Old Trafford this season have been goalless at half-time.

  • United have recorded four successive home wins for the first time since April 2015 (when they won six in a row).

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[–]schilomJanuzaj 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

It wasnt a great performance by any means, but we are keeping the momentum going and thats important. Players are coming back from injuries as well, which makes me exicited for the remaining games.

[–]Zxcvbnm123_ 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dont care how we pick up 3 points now. Hope we win all of our remaining matches.

[–]Djjihad 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agree. Is too late in to the season to start expecting fireworks or a different approach, just get the points.

[–]footballsangJanuzaj 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

need CBJ in LB next game

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fosu-Mensah LB.

[–]wipedownthis1Memphis 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Darmian LB, Fosu-Mensah RB

[–]soma40Carrick 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Darmian is okay at LB. Would prefer CBJ or Rojo there.

[–]astarkey12Smalling[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought we were in for another 0-0 after a lackluster first half for both sides, but the subs made a key difference. Rojo in particular looked a step behind, so I expect he won't get the start on Sunday. It was a joy seeing Rashford, TFM, and Martial hook up for that goal though. Hopefully, we maintain our momentum and continue grinding out necessary results.

A somewhat realistic scenario would be drawing this weekend with Tottenham and hoping City do the same against West Brom. Then we can make up the one point different when we host Villa while City go to Stamford Bridge the following matchday.

[–]EastOfEden_Van Nistelrooy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

We have a definite tendency to sit back and let the opponent control the game once we're 1 goal up. We did it against Chelsea, then against City and Everton, luckily for us it didn't bite us in the ass the last two times. But it's very worrying, because we've witnessed countless times this season that we are not able to get a last minute goal and push for a result, so if the opponent gets a late equalizer we're pretty much done for.

[–]the_special_juanMata 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you think it's because of the players' mentality or if LVG specifically asked for that? And if so why?

I think it's pretty interesting how we kept attacking in the Midtjylland game and in return we scored the most goals in one game this season. So why don't we do that in the league?

[–]tiger1296Masturbinho 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

People are taking our performance way out of context and exaggerating how good we were. Everton played dire football, hoisting balls over to Lukaku, who had no support, the rest of the time they just parked the bus.

I'm sure if they actually attacked and pressed Carrick, we'd have seen a much different game. We may have won this match, but the war is far from over, Spurs are going to bring the game to us and then we will see how well we can deal with pressure.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lukaku had a poor game tbh and we didn't capitalise one of the weakest defences in the league

Interestingly I think we will fair better against spurs, we seem to play better against sides who leave spaces open.

[–]MrBabineaux1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was at the game and the first half was awful. The crowd started off in good voice in the stretford end but the football saps the energy from the stadium. Everton were poor from start to finish and we were slightly less poor than them in the 2nd half. 3 points is always good but when Arsenal and City are both winning 4-0 we need to be winning more convincingly. I'm struggling to see where Rojo fits into the team because he certainly isn't up to playing LB and Blind and Smalling compliment each other's game.

On the note of Blind I think he is a top centre half to play along side smalling who has the physicality needed (but needs to watch his shirt pulling) whilst Blind has excellent distribution, some of the best from a centre half in the PL.

[–]mufcirclejerk 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

I am torn on LVG. 1-0 wins when you're not playing well win you the league… in seasons where you've battered teams 5-0 and 7-1 when you're on form. We've only won three league games on the bounce once his season.

But having said that, if you'd told me 3rd or 4th and FA Cup final at the start of the season, I'd have taken it. We lost one of only two world class players this summer (ADM) and didn't strengthen as we should have.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

Bit presumptuous about the final haha

I would take 3rd and win the FA cup but tbh that still isn't enough

[–]mufcirclejerk -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why wouldn't it be enough? It's progress. Moyes took us to 7th. LVG first season takes us to 4th. His second season takes us to 3rd and FA Cup final?

What would you take? 2nd in the league?

[–]ThadderfulRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its definitely progress and tbh I would take it, still ideally 2nd in the league would be better - tbh just a sustained challenge.

Even would take 3rd and no cup as long as we showed a clear progression in terms of our play...

[–]BobTheBanterBlind -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think, especially with all our injuries, 3rd and FA cup final/4th FA Cup win would defenitely be an improvement

[–]danskzwag -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not progress look how weak the league is , LVG should be doing better , we lost to Middleborough in the capital one cup we couldnt even progress in the CL

[–]House_Of_LannisterLVG -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Your expectations are ridiculous. Why don't you get down from that high-horse... 3rd and winning FA cup isn't enough... seriously laughing out loud.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

What high horse?

For the second largest club in the world our fans don't really seem to expect anything nearly in line with the money we earn. The Glazers must be laughing their socks off whilst simultaneously praying we don't realise how sweet the deal they have is.

This season, yeah I would have taken 3rd and winning the FA cup before it started. Having seen Chelsea, City and Arsenal all fuck themselves I don't really think scrapping for 4th (arguably 5th) is good enough in hindsight.

LVG has had two years year and has arguably regressed - certainly not progressed.

To summarise, before the season I would have taken it, now I still don't think its ideal. It certainly should not be what we aim to achieve year on year.

[–]House_Of_LannisterLVG 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Every team except Leicester and Spurs have regressed so there's that.

There's the countless for and against arguments for the state of our season but ultimately it has to come down to team chemistry. Sometimes you can grab a bunch of players, young, unproven in the countries league and all under new management and style of play and it will work. But the probability is that it is not going to work for a while - meaning, years. The outcome; the result of the hard work in the past 2 years will (hopefully) show in the future.

For the second largest club in the world our fans don't really seem to expect anything nearly in line with the money we earn.

That is because RM, Bayern and FCB all have bought the world class talent. They have also been tactical with their upbringing of youth. It's all taken years (not really the case for RM), and the famous words "it is a process" fit the bill here.

Winning the FA cup and finishing 3rd is a great achievement and whether we are huge in the money terms, as a club, we should be extremely grateful to even have the chance or the right to propose such levels of achievement. Teams lower in the table, mediocre clubs, dare I say the scum would/could only dream of having our problems.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

If every team has regressed then we should have capitalised - no excuses, should at least be third after those two.

the result of the hard work in the past 2 years will (hopefully) show in the future.

Unverifiable - even if we do improve in the future it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with LVG.

That is because RM, Bayern and FCB all have bought the world class talent.

We should be in that bracket, and would be, if we had invested enough under the Glazer's rule imo.

They have also been tactical with their upbringing of youth.

Lucky too (and with better national FAs) to have golden generations of their respective academies. Has it really taken years? How much time have Barca/madrid spent outside the top three really for the last however long...?

Teams lower in the table, mediocre clubs, dare I say the scum would/could only dream of having our problems.

We are incomparable to smaller clubs due to ou finances and any comparison is null, void and ignorant. Actually Liverpool remember the problem we are facing now, they were once an extremely fucking good team - look at them now... We could still go that way... doubtful but still possible.

[–]BobTheBanterBlind 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

While you present good arguments and facts, saying that there are no excuses is wrong imho. We are restructuring and rebuilding for a future squad that can rule/win for the coming 5-10 years. I therefore think its a bit unfair that there are no excuses. City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool still have/had a very strong core team whilst we have been restructuring from the ground up, building a new core and team

[–]ThadderfulRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough, just stings watching every other team fuck up when in a regular season for us we should be clean sweeping every english tournament.

[–]House_Of_LannisterLVG 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If every team has regressed then we should have capitalised - no excuses, should at least be third after those two.

Yeah I agree - but we along with 18 other teams haven't. So we're not an isolated case it's the way things have gone this season. If we were the only one's from the "top 4" to regress I would be a lot more concerned.

We should be in that bracket, and would be, if we had invested enough under the Glazer's rule imo.

Nothing you can do unfortunately. The biggest players will always go to those destinations and I doubt we will EVER become a priority over those clubs. Ronaldo, Beckham, DDG maybe... and that's just from our club - the second biggest in the world in terms of money...

Lucky too (and with better national FAs) to have golden generations of their respective academies. Has it really taken years? How much time have Barca/madrid spent outside the top three really for the last however long...?

Well, Messi , iniesta etc weren't bred overnight. Barcelona in early 00's weren't the team they are today. And I expect in a few years the tables will turn with them and Madrid. Them being outside the top 3 really isn't comparable because we have different leagues and different levels of competitiveness.

Liverpool remember the problem we are facing now, they were once an extremely fucking good team - look at them now... We could still go that way... doubtful but still possible.

Nah. Like you said, we are the 2nd biggest club in the world - WAY too much money and media influence for us to EVER go that far down the line. It would take a monumental downfall in the infrastructure of Manchester United as a whole.

We are incomparable to smaller clubs due to ou finances and any comparison is null, void and ignorant.

It's really not. The problems we have are problems mid-table clubs should dream of. It's not much to ask that you respect the achievements the club attains no matter where they lye on the meter.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, Messi , iniesta etc weren't bred overnight.

Neither were the class of 92 - I'm just saying Barca were lucky that they all came through at a similar time!

Fair enough about the rest, I just think we should aim for higher than 3rd.

[–]Djjihad 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Despite his game against us, I think Lukaku could be the perfect fit for next seasons team.

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really look how ineffective he is when he's not in the box his play making is so poor

[–]palswordDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Was Rojo taken off because we needed to neutralize Everton's right wing? or was he injured?

[–]refweyrar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, deulofeu was running him off the pitch

[–]CveinMemphis & Martial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I’ve got to say, our defence have been astonishing this season, when you think about all the injuries we’ve had, and all the new guys we’ve given a shot.

I hope that we win most of the games that we have left.

Happy that West Ham dropped points.

[–]NariTMUF -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who want LvG to stay and believes he can turn it all around again. Please...