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De Telegraaf vs. the rest of Italy and Spain, can either be trusted at this moment? (self.reddevils)

nikolai426Memphis が 投稿

I didn't even bother mentioning the English media because they are clueless besides probably BBC.

Van Gaal used to be a columnist for De Telegraaf so could they be wooing him on?

The club and Mendes/Gestifute haven't dismissed Mourinho rumors like they did with the meetings between Guardiola?

Is this De Telegraaf article the response to Ian Herbert's article on Van Gaal being offered the Dutch DoF job?

The Italian and Spanish media are already saying Mourinho to Utd is a done deal, with the Italian media constantly spurring out transfer targets wanted by Mourinho

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[–]LDN2016 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on the quality of the source.

De Telegraaf's source will be LvG's camp.

For all we know the board is probably telling him he's safe and the 3 year plan is on.

They told Moyes he was safe and the 6 year plan was on. A few days later they axed him.

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I'm guessing Di Marzio's sources are the Mourinho camp or someone in the United executive. Most reports suggest a pre contract has been signed with massive financial penalties for failure to contract.

If that's been done it'll be highly unlikely the board takes the reported 15m hit and passes on Mourinho.

By all accounts he's already been greenlit to start scouting on our behalf. It seems like he was consulted about hiring Berta as DoF as well.

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We're only dealing in speculation but on the balance of probabilities from the reports leaking out it seems like Mourinho in LvG out is a fairly likely scenario with a restructuring of transfers and implementation of a DoF system.

[–]Creamy_Goodne55 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

As I said in the thread De Telegraaf is the most pro LVG paper you will ever see. They love him and have constantly posted pro LVG articles in the last few months.

I will say people are trusting Di Marzio way more than they should (he isnt 100% spot on with non Italian stories and he hasnt said its 100% going to happen) but I would take todays story with an absolute grain of salt.

[–]GroteBergMan98Ronnie Pickering -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

DiMarzio doesn't post bullshit, if he is wrong, it's usually like the Vidal to Manchester United stories.

[–]Creamy_Goodne55 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I never said he does, but his expertise and sources are all from Italy, hence why he doesnt talk about much else.

I get why he may have sources here because Mendes has a lot of ties in Italy and Jose does with his time at Inter but people should remember that this is a story that is not in Di Marzios area of expertise.

Also, Di Marzio has never once said its 100% signed sealed, deliveed done. Hes always said either he thinks thats where Jose is going or that its not yet signed or something like that.

[–]GroteBergMan98Ronnie Pickering 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't say you did but I think he does have sources outside of Italy.

He for example called Mikel Merino to Dortmund a month and a half early.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, I think if Mourinho had an inkling he was not getting the United job, he would have accepted another managerial position by now.

[–]itsalexdeanMata 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

What if Woodward simply hasn't told LVG anything? LVG recently said that the board will have to review how the season has gone when it's finished when he was asked about if he would be there the next season.

If Woodward has been talking to Mourinho i don't think he would've told LVG, it could lead to him caring less about how the season is going. You don't tell a man with one of the biggest egos in football that he might not get another season.

Everytime LVG has been asked about the Mourinho rumours, even the rumours about there being talks (which there was clearly proof of BBC, El Conf, Di Marzio etc..) he denied it every single time. If he believes that he'll be the coach next season then why wouldn't he let Telegraaf know?

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[–]Djjihad 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If Woodward has been talking to Mourinho i don't think he would've told LVG.

This is the most logic reasoning. Why would you ever go tell an employee "Oh, btw, we are actively looking for your replacement. Expect to leave soon"? Only in cases where rumors are damaging the club, you could think of going something different.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not even just a replacement, but his former assistant manager. LvG would not be a happy camper, and he probably would resign on the spot.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm With Di Marzio army.

[–]SonnyisKing 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only hope I have now is that Ed Woodward remains a sly bastard.

I remember when Moyes said that he thought he was completely safe and then sacked the next day out of nowhere, Hopefully Woodward will do the same to LVG.

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

My view is that nothing is clear yet.

If Mourinho was genuinely 100% the next United manager we would not be having these doubts now and there wouldn't be so many conflicting stories.

Like everyone 100% knew Conte was going to Chelsea. There were no other rumours, it was a complete done deal. It's just not at that stage with Mourinho yet.

[–]Creamy_Goodne55 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Theres a big difference between the two stories.

Cheslea are getting a manager no matter what, there was no manager there and they was free to speculate who the new manager would be.

With the case of United we have a manager in LVG who has a 1 year deal left. The English press are very weird about talking about managers getting the sack some journalists wont even talk about it full stop (Alan Sheerer made match of the day change the subject when the Jose Portfolio story came up). So all we are left with with is rumors from the continent.

Di Marzio is putting a lot on the line in saying what he has but he has given himself a get out clause every time he brings it up by saying its not yet finalized, he can easily say "well my sources were right at the time, United just didn't finalize the deal" if it doesn't happen.

I think LVG is going no matter what, we will give him the end of season and let him go with the story of him leaving us (something a lot of journalist including Ducker, all seem to agree on) I just dont think its so clear cut that the new manager is Jose.

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good points. The British press has been pretty much silent on this. I guess there's quite a big difference between Chelsea and United. Chelsea were happy to let everyone know they had a new manager and we don't want to look like we've sacked on. It's murky.

I still can't rule out LVG staying personally. I just think if he gets top 4, especially if he wins the FA Cup, then his job will be safe.

[–]Creamy_Goodne55 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The British press has been pretty much silent on this

They always are, it seems to be a unwritten rule between journalists and pundits that your dont speculate about managers and sackings because it very rarely gets reported on outside of the tabloids and opinion pieces.

If the club announce LVG is leaving and Jose or Giggs is not announce as the new manager straight away then the press will go into full muppet mode.

[–]ManUChao7Memphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think even LVG knows that Mourinho will replace him since they have good relationship too. The fact is Mourinho said he likes England and he is always there around watching games. I bet it's just that the club wants from LVG to keep going until May and retire rather than sack him and end his career like that. Even Mourinho doesn't want to take LVG job.

[–]black_squireMartial -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is also the scenario where all accounts are correct. None of these accounts have said Mourinho is going to start this summer simply that he'll be the next manager. LVG could be finishing his contract with Mourinho taking a 1 year gig this summer and coming next year. The pre contract would make that even more plausible seeing as he'll have the necessary guarantee that he'll have the job within the year.

We can't claim De Telegraaf is pro LVG and pretend like Di Marzio and the rest of the Spanish and Italian media wouldn't have been fed by Mourinhos camp. The above scenario accounts for all rumors being correct however provides an alternative timeline than most expect.