ESAM on Smash Summit Drama

legendcc · 7日前

"So the main point of that shpeal was that I have had pretty much 0 opportunity to actually train in high level Melee"

why do i find this hard to believe? I mean, im all for what youre posting for, but this part of the post is BS. Youve had opportunity, you just dont, because you choose to do/play other things.

Luma_not · 7日前

I don't think anyone can blame you for wanting to go to the summit, I certainly don't, it's an incredible event.

There's a few things that I think need to be brought up though. You can't just ignore all the criticisms because, "the melee community is super toxic to outsiders."

"But ESAM you spend more time on Smash4 than Melee" No fucking shit, I'm a top Smash4 player and Smash is my job at this point and Smash4 is more lucrative to me. I make way more money playing Smash4 than Melee, so obviously at this current point in time I am practicing it more, if I didn't I would be a fucking idiot. Just yesterday I won ~800 playing Smash4, then like ~350 playing melee and ~240 playing PM. See which number is the biggest? Yeah, no shit.

Melee not being your primary game is an issue. Literally everyone that has ever been in the running for summit (besides you) has been a primary melee player. It's one of the most exclusive, competitive melee tournaments in the world. It's not wrong for people to be bothered by the fact that you're less invested in it than the other people in the running.

Couple this with the fact that everybody else with a shot at getting in is better than you. I'm not saying it's impossible for you to beat any of them, I'm just saying that overall, they've had better melee results than you. Even the weakest out of the bunch (Alex19) has a way more impressive resume than you.

Also, a very significant chunk of summit voters(myself included) care more about having a high talent event than seeing their favorite player there. The majority of people voting did not want Alex19 or Kage, but given the nature of this voting system where no one is pulling a significant overall percentage, one fairly united, vocal group can push someone through (despite being a small percentage of overall voters). I don't resent you for using your leverage to get in, but it's reasonable to not want you in there. You, are probably the weakest player (at least resume wise) out of all of the nominees, at the very least you're among the bottom three. This isn't me trying to disrespect you, it's just a statement of fact.

There are real, important reasons that people are unhappy with you getting into smash summit. It's not just "Esam is a trash4 player who annoys me on twitter," although that stuff does deserve to be brought up.

More importantly though, I think what you're doing now is having the opposite effect of what you wanted to do, which was bring the communities closer together (at least based on your twitter, don't shoot me lol). This is just creating more bad blood between the two communities.

And I don't think you're being fair to the melee community here. Every time you bring it up in this post you're talking about how exclusive and toxic it is. Like your edit, you literally ended your post with "y'all are ruthless."

So tldr, there are valid reasons for not wanting you at summit. You talking smack about the melee community is one of them.

I'm not mad at you for wanting to go, frankly, it's silly to say that anyone "deserves" a spot more than anyone else. That said, when you're being voted into a melee event by Sm4sh players, you aren't endearing yourself to any melee fans when you go online and talk about how ruthless we are.

ToasterzMakeToast · 7日前

Esam, you've been my favorite Smash 4 player, and im just gonna make this quick and say drop it. Get over it. The melee fans want someone who deserves it and cares about it more, and right now you're just acting like you want to go to spite them, and you're only drawing more and more negative attention to yourself.

I honestly don't get your whole "the not caring for melee tweet was PR" argument. Isn't the whole point of PR to look better in the eyes of the public? Cuz right now, you really look like a huge ass, which you aren't, or at least I used to think you aren't.

/u/Jazaniac's response couldn't be better, but you just seemed to dismiss that and go "it was really fucking hard to qualify!" But didn't you say you only qualified cuz you got lucky?

Imagine if summit was all smash 4 players and alpharad got in, but someone like MVD or Mew2King didn't. How would you feel? Don't say "way to go alpharad im so proud" cuz ik you'd be mad. Sure, the public would love him, and he'd boost viewership for probably 1 or 2 matches, but he'd be out instantly.

Just leave summit to the melee players. If you want to improve, don't use summit as a learning experience, and do that at pound instead. Summit should be the best of the best.

LudwigAhgren · 7日前

I doubt anyone actually read my Smashcapps article if they disliked me since "ESAM is just a Smash 4 faggot who supports women" or whatever the fuck people think nowadays on reddit LOL, so let me break it down for you.

See which number is the biggest? Yeah, no shit.

Then I changed my mind because y'know what? Fuck you guys

Reddit isn't one person. For being a PR person and such a nice dude, you're kind of a dick.

I get people are giving you a hard time, but who cares?

If you believe in yourself then prove everyone wrong with your play.

Berserker_T · 7日前

I can get behind the whole "I'm doing it for me," mentality, that's pretty cool, but you'd be saving a lot more face if you hadn't said all that bad/dismissive stuff about Melee -- that alone makes you pretty undeserving in my eyes. And I say that as someone who enjoys watching you in all three games.

Dreits · 7日前

I am a good player, significantly better than 99.9999% of people hating on me.

Yes but you are also significantly worse than everybody else that was nominated and many others that weren't.

jazaniac · 7日前

I think the reason why people have a problem with you giving perks is that people who only watch you for smash 4 and don't care about melee will now vote for you because they want you to follow them on twitter, or give them a free bag, or something of that sort. They don't care about the tournament itself, they care about getting those perks that are related to their favorite smash 4 player. And the reason why Zhu's campaigning is different (aside from his perks being more about jokes and greater exposure of the tournament, rather than material) is because Zhu is already an established melee player who dedicates himself hard to the scene, and those were meant to give him an edge over the other established players, not bring in a voterbase who doesn't care about the tournament at all. And that's just it, Zhu and Kage are just far more dedicated to melee, and their votes only came from melee fans who legitimately cared about the tournament. Not from smash 4 fans who didn't understand or care about how the tournament turned out, and just wanted to support their boy.

And look, I understand the point you make about you being in the tournament getting smash 4 fans more interested, but the thing is if the smash 4 fans are only there to see you (if they were there to watch melee they would have tuned in regardless), then what are they going to do when they start to see you get bodybagged? I don't mean to be rude, I really, really don't, but I can perfectly admit that if I played Armada, SFAT, druggedfox, or any of the players you're competing with, I'd get bodied hard, and everyone has to admit that the same's gonna happen to a pretty-good-but-not-absolutely-amazing player like yourself. And once you get triple 3-stocked and/or knocked out of the tournament first round, do you really think the sm4sh fans are gonna stick around and support melee? They're not, cause if they were going to, they would have done so without your presence (especially considering that the twitch chat is going to absolutely tear you a new asshole).

The other part of your entry is that you're working within a completely uncompetitive demographic of voters, and everyone voting for you is almost guaranteed to be exclusively a sm4sh player. I know this because if someone really wants to see good melee played, or is a fan of melee in general, they would have voted for an established, better, and entirely dedicated melee player. But while every single other melee player has to compete with one another for votes, you're sitting pretty on top of an entirely untapped voterbase. This voterbase in of itself is a problem, as they both a) don't care about how the tournament turns out, b) won't watch it once you get eliminated (or even at all), and c) don't play or even watch melee. It's the equivalent of a man from Colorado moving to Utah with the entire Coloradan populace behind him, and then running for the mayor of Utah. He has the entire population of Colorado voting for him, whereas every Utah candidate has to compete for votes from the citizens of Utah. So, since the Coloradan is running uncompeted against with the entire population of another state behind him, he wins. Then, the entire population of colorado moves back to their home state, with maybe a couple citizens sticking around due to fleeting interest. So the citizens of Utah are now stuck with a governor that they didn't want, elected by a populace that doesn't have to watch or deal with him anymore.

Also, stop acting like people not wanting you at this tournament is simply melee elitists saying "oh hurr durr go back to tr4sh". This is a fucking melee tournament, wanting the best melee players to be in it isn't unreasonable. How would you like it if there was a sm4sh invitational, and all of the melee players raided the voting to get wizzy and westballz in over you and Nick Riddle? You would hate it, because even though those players play sm4sh on the side, they aren't nearly as dedicated to sm4sh as you or your brother. Funny how that would be annoying, huh.

Sorry for the length of this rant (yours was longer, so it should be fine) and if I came off as rude. I actually really like your Youtube content, and I argued on your behalf a lot in your "women in smash" video. You also seem like a really cool guy, but painting melee players as just being elitist for wanting their top players at their high-level invitational for their game is really shitty.

Yearbookthrowaway1 · 7日前

I think you're first problem is taking twitch chat and reddit comments seriously. At the risk of appealing to no true scotsman, anyone who unironically says "tr4sh" or any variation obviously is not very knowledgeable about the community.

If you want a legit reason as to why you're getting hate it's because you're straight up playing up your assumed role as an "outsider". You list all your accolades as a melee player and talk up your skill but then you talk shit about the melee community. It's like you're shitting on my doorstep and then pointing out that you have a cleaner doorstep then me.

I dunno man I feel like it's no secret as to why people are upset about this, if you get in then more power to you, but don't act like a victim when people get salty.

Mrmooncraft · 7日前

Esam, my main problem with you is that whenever you have a problem with reddit, you always make yourself seem like the victim and refuse to believe people have logical reasons and aren't all here to tell you to kill yourself. You talk down to us, so why the fuck should we even respect you to begin with? We're not so stupid as to not know who you are, and sure, feel free to enlighten us on your very specific situation. But DON'T (don't) be a fucking asshole about it and talk to us like we're in fucking middle school. Stop making it seem like it's you vs. the world, we all know you have people backing you, but there's a reason that people are opposing you as well and it's not "The Reddit Hive Mind". You're kind of a dick and from what I've seen, you act like you're superior and know better than other humans, and for that reason I sincerely hope you don't win.

BobbySiege · 7日前

I think people are so adverse to you entering the Smash Summit as it will only take away an additional spot from a top Melee player. A player who is still fighting for a sponsor, looking for exposure and trying to focus their entire career into Melee.

I think it's great that you're so good at publicizing yourself and swaying votes, but we don't want to sacrifice a slot that could go to an excellent player for you to have additional practice time. Just my two cents.

Peanut7 · 7日前

This is a ridiculously immature, egocentric post and if anything, it's giving more reasons for people to not want you voted into Smash Summit.

yellobellee · 7日前

but for me to get better so I can actually get good at the game I love 2nd most (Next to Smash4)

And that is why you do not deserve to get in.

I make way more money playing Smash4 than Melee, so obviously at this current point in time I am practicing it more, if I didn't I would be a fucking idiot

No, you wouldn't be an idiot. Sm4sh money is just a higher priority than Melee to you. Yeah, "you lied to save face b/c toxic community" or whatever, but it's obvious through your choices (and now your words) that you don't care for Melee nearly as much as the other players in the running who have showed actual passion for the game. Only a couple days ago, Hax spoke in an interview about how he doesn't care about the money. Melee is his pride and joy, and his only goal is to be the best. S2J recently said he just wants to be one of the greats.

I get it, you're not cheating so I can't stop you. But I can definitely tell you you're a dick for taking a spot from a better and more passionate player.

EDIT: I should definitely mention HugS quit his job to play Melee full-time. It's even worse that he is a significantly better Samus than you too.

shredabetes · 7日前

"So again, if you are going to do anything with this thread, at least shit on me for a valid reason...which you probably don't have any...because I'm kinda godlike."

Well you definitely gave us a pretty good reason right there. Get over yourself you egotistical prick.

Then I changed my mind because y'know what? Fuck you guys.

Wow fuck you dude, you're coming off as such an asshole with this post. You sound like a petty child that just got the best toy that no one else has. You remind me of Eric Cartman from South Park. While reading this all I could hear was "na na na na na na na, ha ha ha ha ha ha." I think it's safe to say you just pissed off the majority of the Melee community and pretty much dug your grave and sealed your fate.

TeamBoseyama · 7日前

I don't think you should go to the Smash Summit because you just aren't on the same level as the other players in the ballot. I'm not saying that you are bad just not in the same tier as the other players.

Sllanders · 7日前

This is bullshit. PPMD almost never enters tournaments and still is undeniably a top 10 player, even if some think he's not quite as good. Leffen and Armada both had to learn the game in Sweden, when the Melee scene was almost non-existant. If you wanted to get better that badly, you would.

Plus this shouldn't be some tournament you go to only to improve. This is the Smash Summit, not the Smash Training Camp. People will watch that because they hope to see good Melee, not some second-category Samus who got there because someone else upset DruggedFox.

Minerali · 7日前

The problem for most people is that if you get in, a player more dedicated to melee gets cut off. People like HugS and Lucky, players that dedicate to melee entirely are struggling financially because they need to support their families, going to an event like this will help them massively.

Players like Ice and Javi probably could say the same as you, that they've never had the opportunity to really practice in their life, and they are still top melee players.

Yes, you were smart switching to Smash 4 because you are now a respectable figure in that community, but why go to Melee now? I don't want to offend you, because you probably love the game as much as we do, but you already have Smash4 and you're doing fine there. These guys; Hugs, Javi, The Moon, Prof, and others; they only have Melee. They have worked really hard to get where they are with only Melee, out of pure love for the game.

People aren't mad that you are getting in specifically, people are mad that you're getting in over someone that has fought for this opportunity for a long time.

raisedbyrobots · 7日前

You are literally telling thousands of Smash fans to go fuck themselves. Dwell on that. - A former fan

wolfinwhitevan · 7日前

Assuming the only reason people don't think voting for you is a good idea is that they are the "ESAM is just a Smash 4 faggot who supports women" kind of person, is really dumb. I'm a huge ESAM fan, Pikachu main in Smash 4 and I love his playstyle. But I have legitimate reasons for thinking that ESAM doesn't deserve a Smash Summit spot. You can put people in a box all you want, but most of us aren't immature to seriously say/think something like that. Just accept the salt man because it will always always be there. The internet sucks and if you keep listening to the 1% then, yes, you'll keep thinking the community as a whole is this salty. Most of us don't really care.

ronaknair · 7日前

A lot of this post is generalizing melee players. The advantage you have of smash 4 players supporting you alone while melee players are torn between multiple players is real and absolutely legal but I am also allowed to be disappointed by it as someone who I enjoy like Lucky or Moon may suffer from that.

In that respect, I found aspects of this post to be condescending towards people in the melee community who may be more willing to support your endeavors to be a multi-game player than you might give them credit for. I think the "fuck them" attitude really heightens the divide between both games' communities which I hate to see.

qweyroiquoi · 7日前

Why can't you just accept that you're not a good fit for this tournament?

Buster77FA · 7日前

I really hope a miracle happens and you lose the vote, you won't even win one game at the summit

The_NZA · 7日前

Esam, I'm a fan of your play in Smash 4, Melee, and PM but I don't think you fully get why people are bummed out that you are winning the summit nomination (and for full disclosure, I'm bummed out about it too). Summit isn't just a practice environment or a tournament. Just from happening one year, it has ascended to a huge honor and THE event for top players to further elevate the already sky high metagame of smash while we get a much larger window into their personalities and their relationship with this game. Whether thats through seeing Armada's Kirby face PewPewU's Roy, or seeing Pewfat take out Lucky Clover and double defeat Armada2king to solidify themselves as the strongest non-god team and one of the best teams overall. It is an honor for the players, a treat for the viewers, and legacy building for Melee in a way no other tournament is.

You are arguing you represent a player with a large fanbase with a good amount of skill who shows promise in the game and could elevate your skill to be truly serious. You also uniquely represent a chance to bridge the Smash communities.

Personally, as a fan of yours, I love watching you play. But even I feel that the event loses something really beautiful by admitting you in one of its precious slots over an S2J, PewPewU, Wobbles, Hax, Wizzrobe, Lucky, Drugged Fox, Duck, or Hugs. Look at the aforementioned names and realize that when you get in, we the viewers will only get a chance to see five of the previous listed players at the Summit if you make it in.

you said:

I have taken relevant names over the course of the past few years, such as Javi one year after he took 4th at Apex, I had beat Chillin/Nintendude at a Xanadu when they were relevant, I have beat Alex19, Alan, Squid, The Moon, Redd, and a whole slew of other people...with no consistent training partner or way to get better besides studying matches.

Every one of these players haven't just beaten the people you've beaten once or a few times. Instead, it would be considered a massive upset if any of them lost to the players you've beaten. These players might go 0-2 in bracket, (just as 4 people most likely will), but we won't know before the event starts which of the 16 is likely to go up or down. In your case, judging by Alex19's unspectacular and unentertaining performance, a betting man would bet against you.

I know I'm being harsh, but I want you to see this from the lens of Melee fans, not knee jerk reactionary Melee assholes (just as you've asked us to see this from your perspective rather than from the hearsay that gets grumbled around).

You said:

This is why I want to go to Summit so bad. I would absolutely LOVE to actually get dedicated Melee practice with really good players because I never have and yet I STILL am relevant.

I acknowledge why Summit would be great for you, and I acknowledge the path to get as good as you have has been an improbable story that has the possibility of a very impressive ending. But take S2J, PewPewU, Wobbles, Hax, Wizzrobe, Lucky, Drugged Fox, Duck, or Hugs. All of these people put the time you have into Melee and 10 times more than you (1000 times more than any of us). They have invented, reinvented, redefined their characters continuously and pushed them till they were bumping their heads against the glass ceiling. I would love to see you shatter your personal ceiling but I would be spectacularly enamored to see these aforementioned players demolish the ceilings' for their characters. These players are the innovators. You qualify for this honor, and you fight for it within the rules, but they deserve it in a way that's simply on another level.

Now, I think you and I both know you are going to probably make it. You've stated that we should see you as someone with a fanbase just like any other player, and your fanbase just happens not to care about the other players on the list. However, the way your perks function (I will do video analysis of any of your sets regardless of the game) capitalizes on the fact that the people who vote for you may not care about the event or Melee more generally. A sizable portion of them don't care about the Melee competition, the Melee viewership, or the games that are played. They are jumping on the chance to get top level smash 4 analysis of their videos, and they qualify for voting just because they've attended an event on Summit.gg once. They may tune into Summit to watch you play, but I have little faith they'll stick around. And that's the tragedy to me. Because I desperately want to see S2J, PewPewU, Wobbles, Hax, Wizzrobe, Lucky, or Drugged Fox play and develop and its sad to me that one of these guys is being cut for someone who is less proven than Alex19 or Kage. Regardless, I'll hope that you bring some fierce competition and if you get in, I wish you luck and hope you can bring some great games.

moose_VI · 7日前

Right now Ice is in 7th place in summit votes. 6 players get to go. Let's say you get in, go to summit and Ice misses out by one spot. Could you really feel good about that? Ice is a player who, despite living in Germany and actually missing out on top level practice, has proven his worth many times over by taking a set off mango (a Bo7 I might add), placing in top 8 of Genesis 3 and doing hype shit like this. In addition, Ice has mentioned in interviews how literally 80% of his practice comes from CPUs as well as how difficult it is for him to travel. Despite these disadvantages, Ice has maintained an impressive top 20 position for the past 3+ years. I really don't see how you can claim to be more worthy than someone like Ice.

I know being in the 7th spot right now doesn't necessarily mean Ice will miss out by one spot, I'm just using him as the most likely example and to be honest everyone else around that area has shown similar dedication to the game.

YoYoObros · 7日前

at least shit on me for a valid reason...which you probably don't have any...because I'm kinda godlike.

Holy shit you're so full of yourself.

Fynmorph · 7日前

It looks like you're trolling.

You basically just made that post and wrote ALL THIS to brag to your haters and hate on the community/part of the community. You're not trying to make people like you or earn some votes, youre just bragging about the fact that you succeded and played by the rules. Often directly adressing to your haters,

"If you want to vote for someone else, do it, support them, be awesome. Make them beat me."

(which is kinda dumb since people would have to vote for everyone else thousand of votes, which is impossible).

"So again, if you are going to do anything with this thread, at least shit on me for a valid reason...which you probably don't have any...because I'm kinda godlike."

(did you seriously describe yourself as godlike ? you really just wanna bring the hate)

"I am a good player, significantly better than 99.9999% of people hating on me."

(so... what ? lmao, all the pro players can say that).

Why do you even wanna make them mad so bad, and write this, you could just have let it slide and enjoy your Summit 2 guaranted position. I think that shows you have serious personnality issues. You're alienating a big part of the Melee comunity, making this a whole "Melee people vs Esam". And you're not helping your case.

Aside from that, maybe people want Summit 2 to be different from Summit 1. Kage and Zhu probably wouldn't make it anymore. Summit 2 ain't just somewhere to train, and becomes better. It's firstly to give good entertainement to the viewers. It's a position to be earned (that you may or may not have earned), otherwise you can just send any noob and say "it will make him better !", you have to become more relevant to the melee scene before. And now, contrary to your early career, you do can train to become better at Melee.

Frankly i hope you drop out to let a better player be included in the invitational.

mattdane · 7日前

I would just prefer to see stronger players at the event, personally :). Nothing personal

lurkertalos · 7日前

I don't want you at the Summit because I dislike your personality and find you really annoying. I also think there are players who take the game more seriously than you do and would benefit a lot more from the opportunity to practice with top players. Buying peoples votes is scummy as hell too, and no giving away amiibos and controllers is not on the same level as "doing a cosplay".

jacobpilawa · 7日前

so I can actually get good at the game I love 2nd most (Next to Smash4)

That's the problem. We only want people who love the game the most. We're not sloppy seconds.

4lulzzzzzzz · 7日前

The reason u are so low is because there are legitimately 80 players better than u at melee in the world. U can sugar coat it all u want but I don't see how this is an invalid way of arguing why u shouldn't be there.

kellyhelly · 7日前

His name on twitter is literally VOTE FOR ME (PG_ESAM) come'on this guys a joke, other people actually deserve this and aren't begging for it because they think they've proved they deserve it more.

Sampatrick15 · 7日前

No offense, but you don't get respect from the Melee community because you're not very good at Melee. You're a god damn excellent Smash 4 player, but you aren't even in the top 64 in Melee. The reason why people are mad that you're probably getting into Summit is because the only top 30 player you beat last year was the Moon. I don't know if there's another player on the list that has a record as bad as yours is. I'm sorry if this is offensive, but it's just a fact. I'd prefer to have players that have established records over players who are getting in because they've got a huge following in a different game, but, hey, maybe you'll show up and crush everyone else.

RobinThunder · 7日前

This dude wants to make it to a MELEE EVENT. And yet shits on the melee community in his post, shut the fuck up esam. People have plenty of reasons to not want you in there, first off being the fact that you piss all over the melee community in your post to get into a MELEE EVENT. And no, you couldn't even touch PPU lmao. You are the weakest resume wise out of all the players as another commenter stated, you're not "Kinda godlike", you're just a dick. I've seen your behaviour, in videos, streams, on twitter, reddit and on all of these places you're kind of a dick. Towards the people who watch you. "Let me break it down for you", "Which is the bigger number" Don't insult my fucking intelligence, if you wanted to explain yourself you could at least do it without being a shitfaced cunt about it, narcissistic fuck. I don't hate you for playing smash 4, or for spending more time on that or whatever. I hate you for your grimy disgusting personality, at least the one you have online. You keep mentioning how you're a "Nice guy" but you sure as fuck aren't showing it in your post, or anywhere else (Videos, twitch, twitter etc.). Any ways, I've ranted for long enough. Point being, you playing smash 4 has nothing to do with it, smash 4 is fine. You making it over dedicated players who are better than you, ISN'T. Inb4 you drop the "I'm better than you" yeah no shit, I don't fucking play smash for money. I play in my free time for fun, so stop trying to compare yourself to people who play smash as a hobby just to try and give yourself some validation, "I am a good player, significantly better than 99.9999% of people hating on me."

So yeah, I guess that's it. Buh-bye~

SeeNewzy · 7日前

You're this Summit's Alex 19. Congratulations on your pending winless elimination from the summit and subsequent copy-pasta memes.

pervysage1608 · 7日前

I used to be an ESAM fan but after this long post I missed my class, my midterm, and I skipped lunch.

Nickt97 · 7日前

I hope ESAM gets in smash summit and Norwalk linguini's him on stream.

CarloRossiJugWine · 7日前

" I doubt anyone actually read my Smashcapps article if they disliked me since "ESAM is just a Smash 4 faggot who supports women" or whatever the fuck people think nowadays on reddit LOL, so let me break it down for you."

Is that what happened? It seems like the overwhelming majority of reddit supported smash sisters. I understand why you'd frame it that way though, nothing is more thrilling than righteous indignation.

Skydarkou · 7日前

https://twitter.com/PG_ESAM/status/710641866140729349

You sure do care about Melee, don't you?

CannaSwiss · 7日前

it isn't the "Smash 4 community voting for ESAM," it is ESAM's fans voting for ESAM.

So smash 4 fans. Really weak semantic argument. What happened to you tweeting out you didn't care about Melee days before turning around and offering rewards for votes? The whole "I didn't want to incite Melee vs. Smash 4 so I lied unprovoked about not liking Melee" is grade a bullshit. Give the spot to someone who actually cares about the game.

So listen, I am not here for you to like me.

That's probably for the best since this is just paragraph after paragraph of whinging. You know your smash 4 fanboys were gonna vote you in for perks anyway, this post was unnecessary and did much more harm than good.

Hboxisafaggot · 7日前

The worst part of this post to me is the fact that he says that he wants to go to get the possibility to play good players and become better....who doesn't? there are people living in much more secluded places and they don't complain or campaign to get in.

And that's not even why he wants to get in, he just wants the exposure for advertising and the free trip to cali. If there was any justice in the world he wouldn't get in.

squidstario · 7日前

Nice I was listed as a notable win.

this_game_is_hard · 7日前

Curious that you are posting this here as opposed to keeping it on r/ssbm because that is the community you should really be appealing your position to. Everyone else is probably indifferent or supportive.

In any case, players like Kage and Alex19 didn't do great at the Summit and may have been poor choices to vote in, but that was a mistake made by the MELEE community. There is no denying that you have a respectable fanbase of your own but how many of your fans are fans because of your contributions to the Melee scene and community?

I will probably get downvoted for saying this, but you are essentially crashing a melee event for melee fans simply because you have a means to do so. I can't blame the people that vote for you or the summit rules that enabled you, but there is no getting around the fact that you are getting in without the sponsorship of Melee fans who want to see their favorite Melee player at a Melee event. It would be respectful of you to drop out in favor of someone who does dedicate all of their time to the Melee community whether people like to admit it or not. Maybe you'll prove me wrong and become a good, respectable member of the Melee community after this, but as of right now you appear as little more than opportunistic.

Halogen108 · 7日前

Gee willikers play the victim more please

JohnPenguin · 7日前

First off, work on your tone dude. Holy shit you come off as an entitled 14 year old. Second off, can you truly tell me with a straight face that you deserve this more than someone like Ice, who has less opportunity to get high level play then you and still is a monster and has qualified for this event with a much more convincing resume? I just honestly can't see how you deserve this more than someone like Ice or Lucky.

Petrark · 7日前

ESAM all your points make sense and honestly are pretty much all valid and true. I really don't care about if you get in or not, and like you said regardless of if you do your fans have some the melee community a huge benefit by donating so much. This whole thing is a popularity contest and you're popular, though admittedly from a different crowd, which isn't a bad thing at all.

However you sound like an absolute asshole. I understand that the melee community has some many many shitty things, I'm not condoning those different happenings. Even so I feel like that isn't a good excuse to act like by going to this you're wading into a pool of shit that is the melee community, that's not useful. Are there a large amount of shitty people? Yes. But there are also people who are totally cool with smash 4 in the melee community. If you want to have all the shitty melee people continue to be complete asshats then keep acting as you are.

Please don't take this as me hating on you, that's not my intention. For disclosures sake I personally am not a fan, but that's not really important. I see an opportunity to bridge the gap and maybe make the sm4sh and melee communities at least be civil to each other (and yes I know a majority of the incivility comes from the melee fans) so that in future events nothing like cheering during the finals happens again. Those kinds of things are embarrassing and shouldn't happen. However I feel like a prominent member of the sm4sh community screaming at the people responsible and calling them "ruthless" and an "overall shitty group of people" will accomplish nothing other than that group of people continuing to be shitty.

If you end up at the summit (which it seems like you will) please consider using this opportunity to try and temper the hate you get. When inevitably the twitch chat goes apeshit with rage when you play, don't later go on Twitter or YouTube and be like "see look how hateful, y'all suck I'm great" but maybe instead thank the people attempting to shut these people up, even if there's only like three of them. Ask the other players there to talk to their fans and ask them to not be complete assholes. These are the leaders of the community, they have the power to influence thousands.

I might be assuming a lot of things, and maybe you were planning on doing something similar to what I ask, and if so then this post is pointless. If not, please consider it. There's a really good chance to try to start a movement to mend the hate between the communities. Accusing and berating the melee community like they're a dog that shit all over the floor I don't think is the way to accomplish this.

Edit: damn formatting is hard, sorry about the wall of text I tried lolol

oSoSmash · 7日前

I never really cared for ESAM, watched a couple of his videos and he just seemed like a really fake person, but this post really made me just completely hate him. No respect for him at all. He claims do be a super nice, PR dude, but basically tells the Melee community to go fuck ourselves when he's trying to get into OUR tournament.

Wizzrobe is a multi-game threat (Who the Smash 4 players love, btw),

Like Really? wow you guys are so accepting, congratulations. Smash 4 has the best community ever. So stay there, leave us alone if we're such a toxic community. Not like anyone would miss you anyway.

I am a good player, significantly better than 99.9999% of people hating on me.

Again wow, who cares?

Not all of them, but I feel like I could beat SEVERAL (PPU, Drugged Fox if I played him again, The Moon (again), HugS, Duck, Alex (again), Javi (again), and Hax).

In friendlies? or in tournament where you haven't beaten anyone?

But I fucking BET you that if a top Melee player were to give smash4 a try, it would be open arms. Oh wait, that's already happening with Wobbles and Hungrybox.

WOW! YOU GUYS ARE THE GREATEST COMMUNITY EVER. Honestly ESAM sounds like someone who transferred schools, realized he made the wrong decision and just hypes his old school. Difference is that he never left and can just stay with Smash 4. Like seriously dude, do you secretly hate Smash 4 or something? because I can't see any reason that you would want to be part of such a toxic community.

RSP_Robot · 7日前

"So again, if you are going to do anything with this thread, at least shit on me for a valid reason...which you probably don't have any...because I'm kinda godlike."

Regardless of the arguments you make, you made a major mistake by addressing the Melee community at large in response to individual trolls. How'd you think people would react when they - having not been a part of the hatred you've been facing, and likely not having actually seen it - read this thread and faced insults, condescension, and vulgarity directed at them and their community?

You just took the rage built up by individual douche bags and shot it back at a community whose majority is innocent, if not unaware of the drama bubble you've been caught up in.

I don't think that you thought this through all too well, and looking through the comments, the response fits what would be expected - all you've done is turn people that previously weren't involved off of you, while both disarming your supporters and providing your haters with cannon fodder.

BillClintonSaxMaster · 7日前

So again, if you are going to do anything with this thread, at least shit on me for a valid reason...which you probably don't have any...because I'm kinda godlike.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not because of how self righteous you come across as in most of your content that you put out.

Instead of shitting on the melee community (when you know you can get away with it because you don't depend on melee players' votes anyways), why not put your ego aside and legitimately try to understand where your "haters" are coming from.

This post didn't do you any favors dude. Those that support you are going to continue to support you, those that were against you going to SS2 aren't going to change their minds with such a half hearted attempt at reconciling, and those that were on the fence probably have a bad taste in their mouth after reading this.

Takahashi2212 · 7日前

Why post here instead of /r/ssbm? Here you're just gonna get people who don't care and your fans hugboxing you and telling you how great you are. Most of the (imo pretty valid) criticisms I've seen thrown around has been coming from the couple of threads over there. Those people are the ones you're trying to convince.

fireb0rnMC · 7日前

Esam I haven't talked shit to you at all and neither have the vast majority of people making posts here. Melee players don't want you at the Summit, period. I'm not being hateful for saying that and neither is anyone else. It's very clear that you simply do not have the capacity to be in the spotlight, and yet you yourself are the one who jumped into it.

Even now, you're still trying to take the moral high ground while continuously talking shit about everyone else. And you're calling us "incredibly hateful, spiteful, and [an] overall shitty group of people"?

Ikanan_xiii · 7日前

If summit needed another amazing samus aside from plup there's duck and hugs and it would be sad if you get in instead. That's my main reason for not wanting you at the summit, you're not as good as the other guys and i feel like we don't need another alex19 (tho actually he has improved a lot) or kage (which to be honest is a crew battles monster)

JohnnyLeven · 7日前

Why even post this? If this post was to make anyone in the Melee community actually be okay or even happy with the fact that you're going to be voted in, you've failed miserably. Just attacking the whole community based on a few bad apples is not going to get anyone on your side.

Everyone knows you're going to get in, and only idiots would hate you personally for that. Still, plenty of people are going to hate the situation and be disappointed by it, but that should be expected. Tons of people were disappointed that Kage and Alex19 got in last year. Just like they are doing with you, people brought up plenty of reasons why Alex19 and Kage shouldn't be voted in. These are generally not personal attacks. This is just people venting their frustrations and hoping they can somehow change the outcome. This time there's just a larger contingent of people that would rather you not make it.

Don't take it personally and ignore the idiots.

FablesByAesop · 7日前

Nah, I'm gonna vote for someone who deserves it more than you like HugS, Duck, Ice, etc.

MichaelSchlag · 7日前

I'm not gonna read it all, but I just want to clarify something. Your tone seemed very upset, and I, one who opposes you making it in to SS2, want you to know that it is nothing personal. The "hatred" that is going around is between Melee viewers and Sm4sh viewers, not us and you. If you make it, that's fine for you, but I will be angry at the people who voted you in, since I feel they are not truly invested in the event.

Retiredhustler · 7日前

All I'm hearing from you is a whole lot "cmon guys I'm actually pretty good" when in reality your a sm4sh player through and through. Personally I find it unfair that you get the opportunity to greatly improve your game by going to summit over someone who strictly plays melee and would use the knowledge they gathered to get better and better as opposed to you who will probably sit down play sm4sh as soon as you get back to your home once the tourney is over.

MlGHTYCAT · 7日前

I dont get why you choose to address the mindless hate that literally every big online community has (no, idiots are not exclusive to melee) instead of addressing some actual real concerns. You choose to pay attention only to random hate, and for some reason assumes that the entire melee community is just that.

I can honestly say that I wasn't against you going until you decided to spill a bunch of bullshit.

Stop taking twitch chat and reddit seriously. If you think there are not reasonable arguments for you not going to summit or that there was nothing wrong with tkbreezy commentating at 5gods you are completely delusional but then again, it seems that you only pay attention to the random dumb comments that piss you off which is exactly why they do it. I could give you the actual arguments but yet again, whats the point if you're handpicking literally the worst comments.

Vyrophyl · 6日前

I don't want a toxic player who isn't respectful in the Melee community and of course not in the Summit 2.

I pretty much ignored you up to this point as good as I could, because your posts sometimes pop up in my favorite subreddit, but you literally just cemented yourself as someone I don't like and I couldn't care less about.

Please leave the Melee community, if you continue to have such poisonous behaviour; you said you're better of with Sm4sh anyway.

ZP_Collie · 6日前

You've taken whatever respect most people had for you and threw it in the trash. You're only distancing the two communities even further. You might have actually convinced me that you deserved it had you not been a prick about it, but nope.

CelestialHiaj · 7日前

If you go to Summit, you will be purposefully, maliciously, and knowingly cutting someone off who deserves the spot more than you. i.e. Anyone who doesn't have a sponsor. Hugs, Lucky, s2j, Hax, Duck. The real problem is that those who deserve more exposure than you are getting FUCKED because you are incredibly salty about "melee elitists" and "reddit." You are literally scape goating because you know you actually shouldn't go, but you are greedy and want to take a WONDERFUL AND VERY IMPORTANT opportunity AWAY from someone who ISN'T considered a top player in there primary game, but is trying with all their might and practice to get to that point. And then there's you, who some consider a top player in Smash 4, which is an incredible feat and should be praised, that has a sponsor, insane exposure, and dedication to a game that is not melee. When you say things like, "I play smash 4 because its more lucrative," it absolutely DISGUSTS me that you would tap into one of the highest prestige Melee tournaments just to get more exposure and more money. You are making your money in Smash 4, why are you being so self centered and UNempathetic to those that are getting shafted from your swaying of votes using a demographic that none of the other candidates can use because they put their time in the game that the tournament is for? Please, do not go to Summit. Not because of "melee elitists" or because "reddit is a terrible place," but for your own dignity, respect for others, and compassion to be shown over your greed, self-centeredness, and slander of an entire group of people.

TheFlyingCule · 7日前

I personally just want better players at the event. IN the First Smash Summit I WAS bothered by the fact that Alex and Kage got in because I didn't think they were good enough and basically were guaranteed to get stomped (which they did). Zhu, Swedish, S2J, and SFAT on the other hand were good enough and even though they didnt make top 8 they did quite a bit better in terms of play. No offense ESAM, but I think you will lose pretty badly, especially since Armada will knock you into losers first thing due to seeding. On the other hand I want the voted players to maybe be able to take a few games or even a set off of some of the competition. DO I think you are bad? NOT at all you are a top player and will be viewed as such, but even then there are gaps. From the players in the final 15, you are the worst however (no offense, you are a great player, but I don't think too many will disagree), and you are 1 of 3 samus players, both of the others having far better results than you by a long shot (or a charge shot, hehehe). I don't hate you, most of us don't, but a lot of us don't think you should be there especially if you continue to commit more to Smash 4 (which you should as you are amazing at that game). Yes there are toxic people hating on you but that isn't most of the community, but the haters are the ones that usually stick in your mind.

the_beanwolf · 7日前

Now back to MeSAM

chikabananas · 7日前

Trainwreck

hellol111 · 7日前

After 5 hours, this has become the most controversial topic in the last 24 hours.

WTF

Takahashi2212 · 7日前

Maybe this was a moment where just not talking was the smartest move for you?

Malkasaur · 7日前

Look, the main reason I don't think you should come is because you wouldn't benefit from Summit as much as anyone else. Melee isn't your main focus, Smash 4 is. There are Melee focused players that want to go that want to improve more than you do. It would be unfair to them for somebody who doesn't put anywhere near as much time into the game or that doesn't care about the game as much as them to go to Summit. There are other reasons I don't think you should go, but this is the main reason.

RewinD157 · 7日前

I'm happy to hear you have the intention of taking the event seriously, although I never really doubted that. I think where myself and others are a little upset is that there are other people who I would want to be in more for the same reasons, namely Ice and Prof Pro, both of whom have barely any exposure to high level melee practise but put a ton of work into getting better. That being said, I definitely don't hold that against you and its sad that people are. You're absolutely right, its ESAM fans who want you to be in and if ESAM fans show up and love the stream (which I'm sure they will), who knows maybe they'll love your samus and start watching more melee, how could that not be good for the melee scene?

I'm also a biased samus main so thats probably why I dont mind as much. I need to see more of your ridiculous missile game

CabassoG · 7日前

Incoming phone spellcheck errors. I'm personally a fan of your samus/you but seriously:

Holy shit this post is a bit long and ranty. I read the whole thing but this little thing here bothers me.

The Melee community online is an incredibly hateful, spiteful, and overall shitty group of people that I really don't want to blatantly hate me more than they already do for being a Brawl/Smash4 player and the words I had for them after Apex 2015 when they CHANTED MELEE DURING THE FUCKING AWARDS CEREMONY FOR THE OTHER GAMES AFTER DOING IT AT 2014 AS WELL."

Hey. Not everyone hates you. There might be a whole lot of hate from Reddit (where a lot of these players don't go to tournaments) and at that tournament (it was disrespectful and well there were several problems including singles that frankly took too long and a blizzard outside)

To be perfectly honest if that is the feeling you have for the melee community, why try to win a popularity contest from people who "dislike" you?

You might be looking for experience or well the experience but seriously this is a tournament designed to prove already solid players and to reaffirm the strongest. It's not a melee Video Game BootCamp ™

mememesters · 6日前

Another post by ESAM "i'm a passive aggresive drama queens why does people hate me ?"

I don't care if you go to summit i would surely prefer it if it was a melee centric player that got in instead of you and I truly believe that you are the weakest of the lot by far.

But yeah you made good arguments, it's true that you met the criteria, it's true that you generated revenu through voting and whatever the other argument were.

But don't act surprised when people hate you, you are very obviously a drama queen and like to stir the shit up by strawmanning an entire community and stiring shit up between sm4sh and melee fan.

Why is it so hard to present your argument and leave ? No you got to play the little esam "everybody hate me" and the "DAE melee community is the worst lol ?"

Then lowblowing by talking about TK breezy and quoting comment on litteraly twitch chat, totally disregarding the fact that truly TK breezy seemed like he had some catching up to do in melee and it was legitimate to critizing him for that

Sniksalt · 6日前

The way you act as if everyone is a villain and an asshole is sickening.

I'm not saying the hate you get doesn't suck, it does. There's always going to be those assholes. But don't take the low road and act like you are now. I'm not talking about wanting to go to the event or anything like that, just stop treating everyone collectively like they're stupid.

Canadianfox17 · 7日前

Tl:Dr he got a lucky bracket to get voted in but the people voting for him are Esam fans not sm4sh fans (mostly) Esam is mad that people are mad at him when others have done the exact same thing (Zhu,Kage,hugs). He started playing melee in 2005 and when brawl came out mostly every one played it so he had to (after doing pretty good in melee) around 2011 he wanted to play melee again, but was in North Carolina and constantly got second behind PPMD(Kreygasm) or twitch, but Esam st had school work so he couldn't focus on it as much. Now he enters multiple events and sm4sh is his game he focuses on more. After TBH5 he started caring about melee more and got 5th at tipped off. Esam now wants this opportunity because he rarely gets to play good players. Even if he goes 0-2 as most voted players go 0-2 or 1-2. His tweet about not caring about melee was for pr and doesn't want to argue about sm4sh vs melee. He is planning to take melee more seriously after and wants to clear up hate he doesn't believe he deserves

adlpsfko · 7日前

fucking get out you're not wanted at Summit 2 stop rationalizing yourself for votes

Really_Not_a_Potato · 7日前

What a cry baby

fodnow · 7日前

So again, if you are going to do anything with this thread, at least shit on me for a valid reason...which you probably don't have any...because I'm kinda godlike.

Fuck off, your ego is getting to you. Prick.

SSBagman · 7日前

You only qualified because Ginger beat DruggedFox. It's BS that you can go to an event because someone else did something for you.

You say you have no access to high level practice, but that's not true. In one of the tournaments you brought up to show you were good, you said you got second to PPMD. That means you played PP, that's good practice. And other players are top players who are running for Summit had no high level practice too. Ice and Javi are the biggest victims of this. Ice practices with CPUs more often than not, and he has to go to go to different countries where most of the people there don't even speak his language. What happened to him? 7th at G3 beating Plup, Colbol, and Javi. Speaking of Javi... Javi's only practice partner is his brother Twin, who isn't as good as him. And that's his ONLY PRACTICE. What happened to him? Came out of nowhere and got 4th at Apex 2012 beating Hax, PP, and more. You can go to American majors, which have plenty of top level players for you to practice with who you can easily communicate with. And you can almost definitely make it to those tournaments, you have a major sponsor ffs.

You want to go here to improve, right? Here's the thing: This is a Melee tournament, not a Melee boot camp. Only 6 players can get this opportunity, and there are at least 10 players running who have shown more potential then you, like, again, Ice and Javi. Not to mention, you're almost guaranteed to go 0-2 in bracket, you'll likely take 1 or 2 stocks in crews, and lose most of your challenges, because you know what: EVERYONE ELSE CAMPAIGNING IS AT LEAST 40 RANKINGS HIGHER THAN YOU.

Your perks for voting aren't even related to the game you're trying to get in for, like seriously. Let's say I'm a professional Halo player, trying to get into a CS:GO invitational. I'll give you free download codes for DLC guns in Halo if you nominate me to get there. There's no reason for the actual fans of CS:GO to nominate me because I'm not giving anything to them, only to outsiders.

You have a whole fucking community about as big as ours that's trying to get you in. We have to spread our votes across 14 players who we want in. That doesn't need explaining...

You're not exclusively a Melee player. You're not fully dedicated to Melee. That's how I know you won't improve as much as anyone else even if you get in. Wait, you can get top level practice at Pound which is next weekend and Frame One which is the week after, can't you?

These are pretty much the main things most people are saying, and for good reason too, because these are all completely true. You have no right to be at the Smash Summit and this is why.

EDIT: You also say you want to serve as a bridge between Melee and Smash 4? Well why can't you do that at any other big tournament? Not to mention other players like Mew2King and Wizzrobe already doing that, and big Melee tournaments even having Smash 4 is being like a bit of a bridge.

DokkanChampion · 7日前

Brace yourself boys. Once again, Smash 4 community trying to put us in bad light. Fuckin Esam man I swear. All he did with this reddit thread was create drama. And now were going to get blamed for it. I wish all these smash 4 figureheads would just leave us alone already. If you don't like the melee community, stick to smash 4 https://twitter.com/InfernoOmni/status/714526592127614977

Edit: Videos dropping tomorrow morning (or later today depending on your timezone). I guess I'll see you all then =/ Looks like more smash drama tomorrow

GlitchHippy · 6日前

I doubt anyone actually read my Smashcapps article if they disliked me since "ESAM is just a Smash 4 faggot who supports women" or whatever the fuck people think nowadays on reddit LOL, so let me break it down for you

Wow. In one paragraph...

self advertising
humble bragging
projection of inferiority
unnecessarily toxic foul language
gender triggering
accusations and tone arguments
hypocrisy (meta reddit bitching)
and condescension .

I hope you sit on your controller. Unsubscribed on YouTube.

This drama reflects really badly on the ADULTS of melee because you're responding to the kids like a kid. You don't see armada or hbox doing this shit because they're not desperate.

This bribing a popularity contest is forgivable. Your attitude is toxic but ultimately forgivable, but that means an apology and you growing up. People respect leffen because he changed for the better and is actually a nice dude from what I can tell. Are you secretly the opposite and just a sleaze?

YOU CAN'T BUY SKILL OR RESPECT. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR QUEST FOR FAME.

scthrow123 · 7日前

I never knew how much of a child you are... Holy shit lol

TheZixion · 7日前

is "shit the bed" some old phrase? Or did someone literally shit the bed?

AndrewRK · 7日前

I don't think that this post has done you much good concerning the situation. I don't have strong feelings in either direction regarding the drama but I read every word of what you wrote and little of it affects your position in any positive way.

CarlCaliente · 7日前

tl;dr

Uzimakisensai · 5日前

Does he legitly nave no upvotes? hahaha

GIMR · 7日前

I think it's because they thought you were me and I definitely don't deserve it.

ObsoletePixel · 7日前

I just wanna say real quick that, in the end, all the money that's being given to the summit to support you getting in is, inevitably, supporting the melee community at the end of the day. Lighten up -- if it gets more funds into our community and gets more people that wouldn't otherwise be watching melee to watch melee, we have a rare and fortunate opportunity to grow our scene. The fact that ESAM is going to fulfill his goals EVEN IF HE DOESN'T make it in is proof that he cares about melee, since the funds are going to support this wonderful event we are so lucky to have our community take part in regardless of whether or not he wins or loses, so count your blessings.

I_Am_Dominator428 · 7日前

I didn't think that someone could say they deserve a spot and then shit on the people voting. But I guess you proved me wrong. I sure hope you don't make it cause the way you speak, you think that you're a god but you admit you got lucky and aren't skilled at the game so why should you be in the tournament?

t-steak · 7日前

Holy fuk

Tl;dr

Fuzzywraith · 6日前

That edit... It had nothing to do with "in the community" what the hell? TK was so so so so much inferior to the other commentators. Twitch might have made it personal - it's the internet - but you cannot use that to ignore the facts. No one is saying TK is/was not/never part of the melee community. Hell they only started really complaining when it was announced the 2 clearly weaker commentators were going to be switching in for the most important sets of the tournament.

Lightning777666 · 6日前

I'm just surprised that you would take a spot from people who are trying to make a living playing Melee and are currently not sponsored but are far better than you. Players like Lucky actually need these events to get noticed and perform well so they get sponsored, and they have put in FAR more work than you in Melee in order to have this opportunity. You are not doing anything against the rules, but it just seems like a dick move to take a spot away from someone, thus hurting them, the event, and both Smash 4 and Melee communities. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD, EVEN IF it is LEGAL. You staying within the rules and your smash history up to this point are irrelevant. You've found yourself in a position where you can benefit from your fanbase, but this WILL hurt a lot of people, but like you said, you don't give a shit.

BarnardsLoop · 5日前

If you want to be a bridge between the communities, don't use Smash 4 players (I'm one who does data work - you haven't fooled me with this post) as a tool to get yourself into a Melee Invitational. Imagine how shitty it'd be if Hbox got into a similar Smash 4 invitational over Zintoto, Trela, FOW, etc? The smash 4 community would rightfully be pissed.

This just divides everything further. Want to be a bridge? Be like Wizzy and M2K - improve yourself in both games, do well in both games, and make yourself known as a crossover player between the two games. You going out and getting 0-2'd will do nobody any good.

LearningStats · 7日前

An enormous portion of this spiel of taking unnecessary jabs at the Melee community and generalizing us to be some sort of heartless mass of vitriol. This leads me to suspect three things.

1) You are a really poor writer.

2) Your sense of PR is so porous you might want to quit your attempts at it altogether.

3) You have blatantly lied about wanting to bridge the Smash 4 and Melee community. You're doing absolutely no good for either community right now.

ayyeeeeeelmao · 7日前

Just downvote and move on boys, nothing to see here

downtown-sasquatch · 7日前

but when did u start going bald

Fugibean · 7日前

Never realized how much I hated Esam. Lol. "Significantly better than 99.999% of people hating on me." What does that have to do with anything? Yes you're not completely trash at the game but I don't want to watch barely take a stock off any of these players.

Webster2421 · 7日前

I'm a Bernie Sanders Fan! I want to vote him in to Smash Summit 2 :) Bernie Sanders is great and people vote to see Bernie Sanders do things. He proves it with his ability to... Oh my god, fuck off. That's absurd and you're toxic in the community. Esam's relationship to the Smash community is the same as the "nice-guy's" relationship to a girl he's trying to get with, but gets "friend-zoned." Even in the way you type, you're coming across as insanely egotistical and entitled. Do you realize that, Esam?

Elegant_Gentleman · 7日前

Didn't you get trashed by some random DK in PM?

OGMagicConch · 7日前

It's not Melee elitists, it's Melee fans wanting to see top Melee players. How is that being elitist? It's a Melee tournament with very little spots, it's not unreasonable that Melee fans only want to see the best of the best Melee players there. This whole post is honestly just disappointing. I see some of the points you're making, but victimizing yourself with the nonexistent threat of Melee elitists and "stupid Reddit people" is honestly just childish.

t0p9 · 7日前

Personally I just feel bad for the players that have to stay in the same house as you

tatatat0 · 7日前

ESAM, Can you please give a source or give an accurate estimate on the number of players you are significantly better than? I wonder if the skill level of players is considered to be a bell curve. Anyways you are probably going to get a lot of shit and maybe a few death threats(idk the cancer can be strong in Melee Hell with the Kachows and "Whats the Melee of ___"). Melee Hell isn't very happy with you mate. And I'm not really sure if you realize this, but you should want to get on Melee Hell's good side. Melee Hell is a very important part of the community whether you accept it or not. Top players are in the group as well as thousands of others. While most of the time it is just general shitposting some real stuff happens, like the time melee hell helped a cancer patient, and a lot of growing businesses sometimes post things about their melee related products every once and a while. Anyways, the point is, you really shouldn't piss off Melee Hell.

OptimusPlusle · 6日前

ESAM, I just want to say that you were my favorite brawl player since apex 2013, but some of the things you say are just there to take a jab at the Melee community. Now, I don't know what the Melee community has done to make you feel this way. However, what I can say is that you shouldn't try to convince Melee players to stop hating you while insulting us. Besides everything people already commented, ZeRo was welcomed back. We were literally upset that he didn't uphold his promise after dominating Evo. Obviously it isn't smart to focus on Melee after he is already clearly the best at smash 4, but this still shows that not everyone would get angry at him for trying to come back. Even in the crew battle he played in, he only took 1 stock, but we didn't outright outcast him. Last thing, if you ever look in the comment section of anything where hungrybox is playing smash 4, literally every comment is about him being bad.

bombsatomically · 7日前

I think voting for you because people want to show a smash 4 player can play melee or because they want to see you play is fine.

However I feel like people are voting for you out of spite of melee getting a summit and smash 4 not getting one.

BigWordsDumbBirds · 7日前

I just thought you were a wild card multi-game threat player before reading this. Now it looks like the appeal of having you at the event is to show off that taking a shortcut to high level practice might allow you to beat people who dedicated themselves to the game even when it was dying. And Melee fans are supposed to want to see that just to spite the toxic members of the community. Bummer.

JohnPenguin · 6日前

ESAM hasn't responded to one comment on here lmao. Nice one dude shows everyone just how deserving you are when your only rebuttal is a whiny "I'm so amazing" post.

SociallyAwkwardRyan · 7日前

People voting for ESAM are still contributing MONEY THAT OTHERWISE WOULDN'T BE CONTRIBUTED to Smash Summit and therefor supporting Melee. If he wins, that's BETTER for Melee as a whole.
The only thing it hurts is potentially viewership, which I strongly doubt. I think he will probably do poorly in bracket, sure, but he still has a chance in the challenges and is a great commentator/knows plenty about the game. Plus, he's bringing in potentially more viewers from a seperate demo.
ESAM cares about the community as much as any top Melee player. Matter of fact, besides Kira, Tafo, Toph and Scar, he's made more content for Smash as a whole than most.
His point about Wizzy/M2K is actually pretty accurate imo. If Zero or Larry qualified/entered and did well in votes due to Smash 4 fans, I doubt they'd be getting the hate ESAM is. That is because they were extremely well known in Melee as well as Brawl/Smash 4 (PM as well). ESAM, not so much. His big rise was Smash 4, and never really big in Melee in the same way even though he's achieved similar results.
If he's taking another potential player's position in the tournament, that's too bad. Alex19 did the same last year, as did Kage/Swedish. Sure, they're well known and have had decent results. So has ESAM at this point.

This is my personal opinion as a MELEE PLAYER. Funny enough, I started about a year ago when Smash 4 came out and found this sub. I quickly switched to Melee once I began playing with my local community/following top players. I haven't touched Smash 4 since before the Cloud patch, and even then I was playing Melee significantly more.
I feel like, at this point, every issue has been brought up and he's addressed them. Any additional hate is basically just trying to bully him to drop out.

Rocksterrock · 7日前

I can see why some melee fans are mad but honestly this isn't even a big deal. If the guy wants to go to summit then whatever, there's no harm other than maybe one other person (that plays melee more) not being able to get in. He's putting in effort to try and go so instead of complaining about, maybe the community should try to get other candidates promoted to move up. Don't hate on him just because he's doing the smart thing despite the fact that melee isn't his main game choice. Judging from these comments, I can already see why he didn't want to try to get into Summit in the first place.

ToTheNintieth · 7日前

If I got my math right, that's 312 upvotes to 286 downvotes. Dayum.

"The Melee community online is an incredibly hateful, spiteful, and overall shitty group of people that I really don't want to blatantly hate me more than they already do for being a Brawl/Smash4 player and the words I had for them after Apex 2015 when they CHANTED MELEE DURING THE FUCKING AWARDS CEREMONY FOR THE OTHER GAMES AFTER DOING IT AT 2014 AS WELL."

Holy shit ESAM went off

pokemonwashedaway · 7日前

Esam, I like you a lot but youre taking annoying reddit circlejerkers way too seriously. Most people who actually know anything about the smash community would only give you serious constructive criticism. I don't think you deserves to make it in to Summit, but the reddit hivemind will make the community's opinion look pretty skewed, and don't blame the whole melee community for a vocal minority.

EE_Flowers · 7日前

I'm not voting for you cause I'm team Wizzy, not cause I don't think you're good but I think the h8 you're getting is very over the top considering the level you play at. I think most people just don't wanna accept you can compete in play with their favs who play Melee exclusively and full time but who cares, keep getting those W's.

ididyourmum69 · 7日前

you sound like a whiny self-obsessed little bitch, fuck off. you don't play melee so just cut the act and opt out

NintendudeIsAFuckboy · 7日前

What the fuck is this wall of text?

I love you ESAM but I don't care enough to read all that. I don't think anyone does. Seems like you are way overthinking it.

Zelko13 · 7日前

If you would be okay with the melee community voting in Wizzy, Westballz, Hbox, or some other melee player with minimal credentials in Smash 4 to a hypothetical Smash 4 Summit, then by all means feel free to crash this one. At least you would be consistent.

surfy21 · 7日前

I think comparing 0-2 with better players is sort of apples to oranges. Going 0-2 in close games is very different than going 0-2 by 3 or 4 stocks. It is admirable that you would like to get better at the game, but taking the opportunity away from players that are more relevant, or players that could come closer to making top 8 at majors is kinda shitty. They most likely deserve it more, and will spend more time on melee and giving back to this community. The competitors at summit are worth your time, but are you worth theirs?

aiera7 · 6日前

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