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ESAM and the Smash Summit (self.SSBM)

H0LT が 投稿

So, ESAM's on the Summit Ballot, and he's doing pretty well. There has been quite a bit of a debate about this recently, and I've seen a lot of misinformation flying around. I decided to break down all of ESAM's recent tournaments to show who he's beaten, who he's lost to, and how he's been doing in general.

I'm not trying to advocate for or dissuade you from using your votes on ESAM. I merely want to clear up how he's been doing. Please vote for who you want to vote for, and do consider ESAM's role as a community figure in addition to his tournament results if you see that as important.

Paragon LA: 17th
Wins: Alex19, NMW, ROFL
Losses: Silent Wolf, Colbol
Analysis: Paragon was ESAM's first big Melee tournament in a long while, and he punctuated his return with a win over Alex19. Alex19 was taking sets off of HugS around the same time period, so ESAM's victory over him is pretty impressive.

Big House 5: 25th
Wins:Ginger, Rula
Losses: Darkatma, Zhu
Analysis: Despite finishing at 25th place, ESAM didn't actually take out any big names. Ginger upset DruggedFox in pools before ESAM took him out; while ESAM definitely deserves credit for taking out a hot Ginger, it should still be noted that he didn't beat any MIOM Top 100 despite making Top 32.

Tipped Off 11 5th
Wins: The Moon, DrunkSloth
Losses: Wizzrobe, Javi
Analysis: The Moon is probably the most prestigious name that ESAM took over the fall. While The Moon is known for losing to mid-tier characters every now and again, ESAM's victory is still pretty impressive. It is kind of surprising that ESAM lost to Javi, however; Javi looked completely clueless during his set against Duck less than a month earlier, yet he made short work of ESAM's Samus here.

Genesis 3: 65th
Wins: Vino
Losses: Armada, Ka-Master
Analysis: Unfortunately for ESAM, he drew the 64th seed at Genesis. This means he was seeded out of R1 pools and then forced to play Armada immediately after defeating his first opponent of the tournament. After losing to Armada, he lost to Ka-Master in the tricky Samus-Luigi matchup and went out of the tourney 1-2.

Beast 6: 9th
Wins: Vanity Angel, Baxon
Losses: Leffen, Amsah
Analysis: Although ESAM did get wrecked by Leffen despite the latter's Samus problems, I would like to note that his set against Amsah was very close and ESAM almost took it. This was a PAL tourney, where Samus is a slightly better character.

Overall Best Wins: The Moon, Alex19, Ginger
Worst Losses: Ka-Master, Darkatma

Hopefully I cleared a few things up. Please don't allow any misinformation to spread about ESAM's results in the wake of all the Smash Summit voting.

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[–]WeisBERN 50ポイント51ポイント  (6子コメント)

Clueless is an understatement for how Javi looked vs Duck at TBH5. He switched from Fox to Young Link in game 3...

Anyway, the only reason ESAM is eligible for Summit is because of the DruggedFox < Ginger jank in bracket. He just got lucky and barely made it into an eligible slot.

[–]housefromtnfast 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

if druggedfox doesn't make it it's his own fault lmaooooooooooo

like I want druggedfox in so bad but if it somehow came down to him vs esam at the end and esam wins I would laugh my ass off.

[–]Prozaki 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

What? He's saying that ESAM is lucky to even be eligible for Summit. To be eligible you have to either be Top 50(?) on SSBMRank or place top 32 at at a suoer major. ESAM got lucky when Druggedfox lost to Ginger in pools at BH5.

[–]Fuzzywraith 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly... so the guy you are responding to is saying it would be an interesting twist of fate if the reason druggedfox lost the vote to ESAM was because he let esam through a bracket

[–]THETomdabomb 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

some people are a little slow

[–]Dweebl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The town is back that way.

[–]4lulzzzzzzz 330ポイント331ポイント  (3子コメント)

If smash4 gets a summit im voting for Alex19

[–]DiNProphecyXYZ12th 56ポイント57ポイント  (0子コメント)

I PREFER THE MAGIC~~

[–]RohughMH 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck that, vote in MH | Mememan.

[–]bunnymenincecho -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vote in hbox

[–]ColdFridge1 117ポイント118ポイント  (16子コメント)

Wow, looking at that TBH5 run maybe I could have gotten 25th Kappa

Joking aside, I'm not terribly happy about Esam likely attending Summit, since it's supposed to feature top level melee & camaraderie between players I'm used to watching in top 32s/16s/8s. That said, if he gets in, congrats to him since he has a way to exploit the system much like Alex19 did last time (and probably will do again this time).

[–]CodeNameJake 44ポイント45ポイント  (12子コメント)

Alex19 was pretty entertaining though, especially since the Norwalk crew was there.

[–]r_Horatio 65ポイント66ポイント  (11子コメント)

Just curious, what did you find entertaining about Alex19? He didn't seem to say much the whole event and kinda just got wrecked all weekend. All he really contributed to mafia was "I don't know anything about Mango" and didn't seem to really care or enjoy himself at the event.

[–]H0LT[S] 39ポイント40ポイント  (8子コメント)

While I don't think he offered very much to spectators at the event itself, he did use the opportunity to level up and help him get 17th at Genesis.

[–]TheJetFuelPPMDPOGCHAMP 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

And 3rd at sss where he beat all falcons and westballz

[–]Coolthulu 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm not voting for players for a charitable opportunity to level up their skills. Did Alex19 even take a game on stream at Summit? And he made it in over players like Javi, who we NEVER get to see, and DruggedFox, who had just taken Leffen and Mango to the limit and seemed like he could slay a god or two at any given tournament.

Alex added literally nothing to the viewer experience last time. It's stupid and sad that he will likely prevent someone really deserving like Duck or Javi from attending.

[–]BlitznBurst 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

He beat Shroomed's Marth in a bo3.

[–]Coolthulu 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

So the best accomplishment he can boast from Summit is beating Shroomed's tertiary in a best of three? I mean come on man.

[–]LudwigAhgren 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Marth is his secondary

[–]Coolthulu -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

A secondary he has almost never used in a major bracket, with almost no notable wins to its credit.

[–]LudwigAhgren 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

He uses a lot of marth. during Pax south he went almost full marth. Also during g3 he used a lot of marth

point is it's not his tertiary

[–]babyccino 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

His inclusion was worth it just for his answer in Reno's ss player question video link

[–]shroomedsSY 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also, in Alex19's defense, he plays pretty frequently against top 100 players, and has Mango, Lucky, and Westin to play often during the SSSs, and has taken sets.

[–]MQRedditormengu 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mang0 never plays SSS seriously lol afaik.

[–]shroomedsSY 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair point, however lucky and westin remain notable.

[–]CeeLew 58ポイント59ポイント  (2子コメント)

"...while ESAM definitely deserves credit for taking out a hot Ginger..."

LOL, that's golden.

[–]MrJMaxted0291せいぎ 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Were I given the opportunity, I'd like to take out a hot ginger.

[–]H0LT[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am an English major ;)

[–]Luma_not 73ポイント74ポイント  (22子コメント)

I'm just amazed that anyone is actually voting for him, are smash4 fans really that obsessed with seeing him there? I didn't want Alex19, but at least he's actually a melee player, and I guess it was kind of cool that the whole Norwalk crew was there. With Esam it's incredibly unfortunate that he could get in over two legitimately excellent Samus mains. It'd fucking blow if he made it in and Duck didn't.

[–]marruktHURB 62ポイント63ポイント  (16子コメント)

They don't care as much about him going as they care about this: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sog0a1

[–]throwaway2676 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, I think he should go with Leffen's advice and promise to bootcamp melee super hard with the top Florida talent if he gets voted in. His current style of campaigning will probably get him more (smash 4) votes though, unfortunately.

[–]erty3125 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He did promise to put a heavy focus on melee if he gets in

[–]hatersbehatin007YMH 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

christ i know this doesn't actually violate any rules but it feels so obviously against the purpose of the voting i don't even know

[–]22rickRik 57ポイント58ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was pretty neutral on the whole Esam stuff, but this ^ just made it negative

[–]easyTRASH 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really can't blame ESAM for trying this hard to get in. He's leveraging his fanbase and offering to give back to them in return (if any of the other nominations offered something like this it would be seen as good); this is what the Smash Summit 2 vote-with-your-wallet system encourages. It just so happens that ESAM has a huge fan base (that for the most part is not part of the Melee community) helping him out. I'd love to see him be the altruist and step down from being selected, but very few people would do something like that.

As much as I'd love for Smash Summit 2 to be another Five Gods-level tournament, the voting system isn't necessarily structured that way and allows for this kind of thing to happen, because $$$$.

[–]Bricemck 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The money funds the tournament I believe. Money isn't the issues here, it was the standard for qualification and Druggedfox's untimely upset at TBH.

[–]ayyeeeeeelmao🔥📀 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

daamn this is bad

Pretty much all I've seen from ESAM is this and his video about women, and neither of those are making me think he's a good fit for summit.

[–]Falcoooooo 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

His video on women in Smash was like, the least controversial thing ever. The whole message was 'guys, don't attack people who have women only events, it literally doesn't affect you at all'. Do you seriously disagree with that?

[–]gravitasce 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe it's just me, but the message of the video wasn't necessarily bad, it was the presentation and ESAM's tone in the video. I fully support Smash Sisters and similar events, but if you're trying to convince someone who doesn't, the best way to do so isn't to take passive-aggressive jabs at them but to explain your point of view nicely. That might be what /u/ayyeeeeeelmao was referring to, although I can't be sure.

[–]ayyeeeeeelmao🔥📀 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly correct, I completely agree with his message, but something about the way he presented it bothered me.

[–]QuodDeus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Video on women? Can you explain a little?

[–]MQRedditormengu 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Am I the only one who doubts that he will actually do most of this shit? Or if he does it it will be half assed. Unless smash 4 is that easy that a game takes like 5 minutes to analyze.

I want Leffen back to shit on everyone for being a fucking lame sellout.

[–]WRXW 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yo that's pretty fucking grimy

[–]LVTIOS 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, may as well set up a kickstarter and indiegogo while he's at it.

[–]jayceiscute 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This actually made me pretty mad, seems like he is just using his fans for his own gain

[–]GlassOfWatah 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

I mean. I don't care about the guy, it would be cool to have different competition. But if someone FULLY deditated to melee like Lucky or Hugs don't go and this guy who plays goes I will be mad.

[–]Luma_not 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

Someone FULLY dedicated to melee

Literally everyone else on the ballot is completely dedicated to melee and a very strong competitor (maybe with the exception of Alex19). Esam going means that someone fully dedicated to melee isn't getting in.

[–]Tremblar 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you put it that way, that does make me a little upset. I get than ESAM might be getting some unwarranted hate and wants to "prove the haters wrong", but honestly it is a fact that he is straight up outclassed in terms of skill when compared to most of the other candidates.

[–]MeteorDMSYU 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alex19 has gotten alot better since the last Summit, honestly I'm pretty surprised by it.

[–]GlassOfWatah 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, totally. Mannnnn that's not cool.

[–]Chrispylol 84ポイント85ポイント  (9子コメント)

I definitely think Esam is a good player, but with the exception of maybe Alex19, he's not on the level of any of the rest of the nominees. Not only that, but didn't he originally tell everyone to vote for wobbles instead of him? Then he saw that people didn't respect his skill or whatever and now he wants get in just to spite those people. I don't feel like this is a good reason to go, especially since the rest of the nominees REALLY care about the event and are full-time melee players.

If his motivation for going to this incredibly exclusive and valuable event for melee players/fans, is just to spite some melee players/fans, then that's saddening. If not, and he truly wants to play some melee, then that's great.

edit: not only that, but if the majority of your voters don't even play the game that will be played at the event.. idk, that's strange to me. What if a bunch of street fighter players voted in their favorite player because he just happened to barely qualify for voting. Maybe I'm not approaching this with the right mindset; I'm open to listening to the opposition.

[–]ThisIsTheGuy 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

Alex19 is definitely a level or two above ESAM. I don't know why people still underestimate Alex- I thought at this point results spoke for themselves.

No disrespect to ESAM. There's just no way he could get the Genesis or SSS placements Alex gets.

[–]iRGush 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly. Alex19 has beaten S2J, Westballz, SilentWolf, Lucky, Wizzrobe and the list goes on. Esams only notable win has been against TheMoon and people are comparing their skill like that.

[–]chopsaver 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, I could take a game off Westballz (as long as I convince him it's a handwarmer first).

[–]H0LT[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

He did indeed tell people to vote for Wobbles. However, I can't confirm he changed his mind out of spite--I think it's more that he just started to feel like it'd be a lot of fun and decided to try for it because of that.

[–]Chrispylol 51ポイント52ポイント  (1子コメント)

From looking at his twitter, it really seems like he's upset about not being considered good or deserving, and is actively trying to annoy "haters." He surely enjoys the drama at least.

But you are right, he might just have changed his mind on the matter. I really hope that's the case and his fan base will support the actual event.

[–]H0LT[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it went more like "I'm not going to try for this, people are just going to hate on me anyway" --> "Man, I kind of want to go for this, so I am. Forget the haters" --> "Oh, you're going to hate on me? I'm going to feed on this drama and make you mad."

[–]Dekachin 78ポイント79ポイント  (1子コメント)

The main thing that bothers me is that he is campaigning based on the perks that he will give to you and not what he will actually contribute to the summit. Or assuring in any way that he even cares about melee. He is literally asking smash 4 players to vote him in because he will give them set analysis in smash 4. There are thousands and thousands of smash 4 votes that would go unspent if not for ESAM specifically targeting those players and leveraging his smash 4 fame for a melee-only event. How he is going about doing this rubs me the wrong way.

[–]easyTRASH 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the main issue is with the way voting works for Smash Summit 2: it's essentially a popularity contest where people vote with their wallets. I personally won't be voting for ESAM, but if the guy wants to win then I can't blame him for doing what he needs to get there.

I'll paraphrase Mang0: "if you think you've seen Melee sell out, just you wait."

[–]housefromtnfast 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

I didn't really care that much about the voting last time, because whatever it's just a popularity contest, and it goes towards the pot. But this time I feel like druggedfox really deserves it and could benefit a ton from the experience, but he's going to be at the bottom of the players getting in. And if esam gets in I feel like druggedfox is basically already fucked.

With esam + hax + wobbles + probably some amount of norwalk basically a shoe in that leaves dfox fighting with a lot of other really good picks for 1 or 2 spots. So I'm gonna be pretty salty if esam gets in because no matter what he's taking a spot away from players who deserve it way more.

[–]ClassicalGuitarTuukkaTime 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah - I'm not even the biggest Druggedfox fan but he deserves to be in there so he got the majority of my votes. If he's not included then that's just fucked up

[–]iRGush 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Druggedfox strikes me as the type of guy who would make the most of a summit experience. He kept talking about how much he loved 5 gods because he got to play friendlies with all the best players.

[–]ClassicalGuitarTuukkaTime 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heck, I think even Alex19 would make better use of the Summit experience than ESAM. At least Alex19 is really invested in Melee.

[–]MQRedditormengu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good thing hax isn't going :(

[–]ItsNotMineISwear 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

at least we won't have to waste too much time watching him thanks to how badly he'll get fucking b o d i e d roflmao

[–]Fuzzywraith 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can anyone voted in come away with 0 prize money? He obviously isnt going to win a set.

[–]-Dubious- 63ポイント64ポイント  (29子コメント)

Please consider that this is all relative. ESAM has done well at a few tournaments and certainly has done well enough to be considered 81st in the world; however, this is an awful resume in comparison to any other player of the 15. This looks good in a vacuum but is not indicative of his position amongst the nominees. I mean seriously, if just one thing had gone different in esam's tbh5 bracket, he wouldn't be here.

Druggedfox takes game 3 vs ginger: ESAM loses to druggedfox, then plays fly amanita in loser's and likely loses. Result: 49th, ineligible.

Moose takes the game 3 over esam: esam is sent to loser's and plays three matches before encountering fly and losing. Result: 65th, ineligible.

Captain Smuckers takes the game 3 over Rula: based on set history vs ryan_k, captain smuckers makes it to esam, who struggles with falcon and was stomped pretty badly by Jace. Smuckers defeats esam. Result: 33rd, ineligible.

Any other set amongst this group of players (esam, druggedfox, fly amanita, moose, milkman, smuckers, rula, ryan k, darkatma) was pretty decisive.

Basically, although he DID make top 32 and DOES qualify, his qualification is more tenuous than the others. He is the only candidate to qualify on only one result, and the only candidate to have never defeated a top 20 player.

So in order for esam to be here, druggedfox MUST lose to ginger, moose MUST lose to esam, and smuckers MUST lose to rula. That's quite a few necessities.

[–]Yves_Saint_Falco=) 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

0-6 kreygasm

[–]WRXW 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

His biggest wins are already a hard level below being good enough to make it into The Summit (sorry Alex but you didn't just get there because of your skill). I'm having trouble imagining him taking more than a game off of anyone else likely to go. I'm sorry but I carry no interest in watching someone who plays Melee as their secondary game get whooped.

[–]Fuzzywraith 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

How did alex19 get into last summit? I missed the story.

[–]d4b3ss💯 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Norwalk fanbase came in.

[–]Fuzzywraith 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahh, don't really see how that is comparable at all to this ESAM situation besides the fact they are both "far below average" lets say for the list of nominated players. ESAM is using fans from another game, if melee fans want to see alex play melee why not? I take issue with this though because how much % of the smash 4 voters will even watch summit?

[–]_Archelon_565 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does this mean SAUS should be in Smash Summit 2 if he beat The Moon?

[–]cocopuffschan 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm more curious on the interaction with him and the other players if he actually made it in. Many of these players are close friends and have long histories of playing together whereas ESAM isn't on that same level of camaraderie that the other players have for each other.

[–]JohnPenguin 50ポイント51ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but ESAM seems pretty immature and obnoxious, judging from just what I've seen from him. Also to add to the fact he isn't anywhere near the level that the others are on, and the fact that he's only this high voting because of smash 4 fans.

[–]eibbus.-. 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

I agree , I feel like he loves attention and thinks highly of himself (which isn't really a problem in itself) but this combined with the fact that he seems like he feels entitled to things. This combined with the fact that he seems to get really defensive and passive aggressive to any doubts or negative attention he gets doesn't really mix that well. I just don't get why hes such a popular personality, guess I'm missing something. :/

Also , just keep note this is only based on what I've seen of him online. So my opinion doesn't really have much face value when I don't pay much attention to him in the first place.

[–]evilpotato1121 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know this is a few days old, but every single thing that you've said is how I feel about him. I think his post about the summit kind of sums up what kind of person he is, and you summed it up perfectly.

I think he's a popular personality because he used to place well in smash 4, he uses pikachu and is the only top player to do so successfully, and he's very memey in a community that watches a lot of anime. His followers are, from what I can tell, really young or young-minded people who want his approval and want nothing more than to be his friend.

I'm mostly a smash 4 player, so I get to see a lot of him. You aren't wrong.

[–]ididyourmum69 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Young kids nowadays are completely passive aggressive in communication

[–]riceandcow 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't really think about it until now, but compare ESAM to players that aren't eligible. Someone like Ken is ranked almost 30 spots higher on SSBM Rank, and placed Top 16 at EVO 2015, but isn't eligible. ESAM got janked into the lowest possible recquirement because Ginger beat DruggedFox. Broken ass system and ESAM doesn't deserve it

[–]MrJMaxted0291せいぎ 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worst Losses: Ka-Master

My heart says no but my head says yes.

[–]Remioli 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just a heads up, Ka Master lost game two to ESAM, then beat him with his Falcon game 3. So, 1-1 with Luigi. Not that this matters lol.

I didn't vote for him, but wouldn't mind at all if he made it.

[–]Han_Solo_Burger 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can Smash Summit just not let us vote on players? It shouldn't be this fucking difficult.

[–]Nickt97 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what ur saying is since ESAM got a couple wins vs players ranked in the 60s and below on MIOMs list it's okay to vote for him over legit players who have all taken games off one another?? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

[–]Slomojoe 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

ESAM is definitely good. However, i'm not so sure he's on the same level as the rest of the candidates. PERSONALLY, i'm not gonna be voting for him, but it'd be neat to see where he stacks up

[–]OneTwoSixty 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the facts on his Melee performances. If he makes it, I hope he takes full advantage of the friendlies room and uses the experience to evolve into a top level Melee player.

[–]lazydumbass 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't want to see Esam, but Aa least he's raising money for melee right?

[–]LymfOptimal punish is swagg 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the only respectable thing that ESAM could do is to forfeit his spot and let second place have if if he wins.

[–]WRXW 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's already had to opt in to be eligible, that opportunity is somewhat passed.

[–]fordy_five 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

does anyone believe that if the shoe was on the other foot and for some reason smash 4 had a summit and the melee community at large decided to inject a melee player who sucks at smash 4 into it, it wouldn't be an issue?

[–]MineraliPPP 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

It would definitely be an issue, probably 0 people would want Hbox (for example) over someone like Trela, Ryo, 9B, iStudying or any other actually good smash4 player

[–]ObsoletePixelPixl 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

this isn't a 1:1 comparison though. ESAM obviously has melee talent (granted not as much as the other nominees but he's still a strong player capable of more, he just dedicates more time to Smash 4 is all), but no dedicated melee player is that dangerous in Smash 4, save for pre-patch diddy-playing armada and leffen, though I'm going to attribute that at least in part to the character. It's unfair to get pissy about this in that specific respect because there's so much more to it than just the fact that this is Smash 4 fans against Melee fans.

[EDIT] how could i forget the jason zimmermanson from cinnamonson

[–]MapleDialgaAnna 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

M2k tho

[–]ObsoletePixelPixl 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

ok you got me there

sorry bout that he only recently started doing well in smash 4 so I TOTALLY forgot he played the game. My b!

[–]Fuzzywraith 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

ESAM will literally not win a set at Summit. There are plenty of melee players as strong at smash4 as he is at melee.

[–]scipia 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If they did one right now, Wizzy actually has good enough results to make it in.

[–]fordy_five 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

actually i'll get pissy about this for whatever reason i want because it's annoying to me and i know alllll these kids would be whining if it was happening to them. they can't even handle people cheering for melee during smash 4

i honestly don't even care if esam is good or not. no one will enjoy his presence

[–]videogamefool11 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Personally I wouldn't vote in a melee player to a smash 4 invitational cuz I don't give a fuck about smash 4 and It wouldn't be worth my time. Plus all the smash 4 top players are either boring or jerks pretty much, so any top melee player would improve the quality of the event.

[–]fordy_five -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah in reality a smash 4 summit would be a disaster no matter what but hypothetically...

[–]Flatzoner 6ポイント7ポイント  (19子コメント)

I'm not voting for him but it doesn't really bother me. Summit is half melee tournament and half reality show, so I'd rather see Esam voted in than someone like Swedish Delight last year, who's obviously a great player but not really charismatic or entertaining

[–]sefazures 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

it's pretty funny that you're getting downvoted for this when this was some people's exact reasoning for why they wanted Alex19 in last year

[–]fordy_five 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

alex is actually popular in the melee community. and i dispute that esam is charismatic

[–]QuodDeus 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

One of the few times I've heard something Alex has to say is when he was in Mango's chat asking what he missed because he was busying "getting a blowjob." It's weird to me that a guy in his twenties would want to show off to a bunch of teenagers in Mango's chat with such a weird tmi comment. Who knows if they're true, but I've heard pretty shitty stories about him punching chairs or other weird stuff. If he wasn't Mango's friend I really doubt that anyone would consider him "charismatic."

[–]lazydumbass 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

People like Alex19 because no one else in the melee community is really like him. You can go into his stream and talk about lifting, chicks, partying, and melee. I get how he'd seem immature, but I think he's funny and relatable.

[–]RageComix1231 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Aren't most melee players in college or older? Like the game came out 15 years ago, so I doubt the fan base is mostly teens

[–]QuodDeus -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uh no. I'm in Mango's chat a lot of the time and many of his subs are teenagers that are still going to school. Some of them are adults, but a lot of them are teenagers. If only the same people that played melee competitively 15 years ago play melee now, melee wouldn't be growing like it is. I know a good chunk are older people, but a lot of the kids in chat talk about being in high school or going on dates for the first time or whatever frequently.

[–]MQRedditormengu -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you even a sub bruh

[–]Fuzzywraith 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What makes you think mang0s fanbase as any younger on average than alex19

[–]fordy_five -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

i didn't say alex is particularly cool or charismatic although i do find him amusing. i said esam obviously isn't, and that alex is popular which he clearly is

[–]MQRedditormengu -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alex19 regularly makes gay jokes and general sex jokes. One time in chat when he asked mang0 if he's coming over he said, "Mang0 are you coming over my huge muscles". Pretty funny tbh

[–]Fuzzywraith 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are telling me that smash4 players are going to watch summit JUST to see esam interact with melee players for the fun and games part of the tournament? No melee player wants to see that idiot.

[–]Yves_Saint_Falco=) 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

The thing is, ESAM is a giant asshole. Having him interact with the other players would just be awkward.

[–]Flatzoner 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

you might as well just say "I don't want ESAM at summit because I don't like him"

which is fine, summit is a popularity contest, you're allowed to have opinions

[–]ObsoletePixelPixl 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

I wanna ask, what makes you think ESAM is a "giant asshole"?

Just curious is all, I'm not trying to be hostile or start some huge debate, I just wanna see someone else's take.

[–]Fuzzywraith 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

All of his content gives me that impression and I've seen maybe one or two hours of esam content.

[–]shime-saba 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

and I've seen maybe one or two hours of esam content.

Jesus christ, why did you keep watching?

[–]Yves_Saint_Falco=) 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

He came to one of our locals and bitched about Melee the whole time and was just kind of rude to everyone.

[–]JohnPenguin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

His videos and what I've seen of him.

[–]sslink1 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Esam is a fucking asshole. I don't understand how he is popular at all. He hates melee and he hates the melee community. He is a fucking troll. Just let him in, can't wait to see home get bodies by fucking Alex 19

[–]Jubzington 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I Dont think he hates melee, its just not his focus, however the fact that he is gonna go, "because he can" is unacceptable and he needs to be nixxed by BTS asap.

[–]SSBagmanback 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He tweeted "fuck melee" or something like that one time..........

[–]DuckTapeHero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ESAM's selection for summit is not an accident. He is there by shady backdoor corporate deals.

Now let's examine for a second ESAM's look: Here we have here a man who is moderately attractive, on the athletic side and is bald. You know who else fits that description?

You guessed it.

Mr. Clean

That's right people. SC Johnson, a "family" company, that for years has been involved in scandal after scandal is now trying to infiltrate the melee community by hiring an active community member to become the likeness of the mascot of one of their most recognizable products in order to attempt to take over the smash community and sell us cleaning products.

Little known fact is that ESAM used to have a beautiful flowing mane that was excecuted at its prime for not adhering to the directives that SC Johnson set forth for ESAM.

ESAM tried to cry out for help previously, hoping someone would make the connection and save him from the hellish world his life had become by rocking the Mr. Clean tag in a tournament. His cries for help went unnoticed and now he is willingly cooperating with SC Johnson, taking revenge on the Melee community by making us watch a sub-par Samus fight among the Gods of the game.

This is no longer about having a person voted into summit even though they do not deserve it. We must fight this corporate takeover of the game that we all cherish.

Don't let Melee die

Get ESAM out of summit.

[–]Billiam2468 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

inb4 Esam wins Smash Sumit

[–]AC-Stark 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We don't shit on Mew2King or Hungrybox for playing Smash 4, so what's the big deal with ESAM playing Melee? Its Smash Summit and if his fans donate the money and he gets in there is nothing we can do about it. He met the requirement ans it isn't like he is doing anything wrong.

If there was a Smash 4 Summit I think M2K would be a really good pick but that is just me.

[–]oss31NK 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The difference between Mew2king and ESAM is that Mew2king actually cares about Smash 4 and could use the Smash Summit experience. ESAM on the other hand doesn't care for Melee and the Smash Summit experience is going to be wasted.

[–]Tremblar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

People shit on him because he is using his popularity which is largely the result of his sm4sh achievements to get into a melee centered event, which he barely qualified for with the help of some bracket jank, ahead of players who are clearly superior in terms of skill and put far more time into melee.

[–]TechNick6425BAWZ -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I would be very interested in seeing how ESAM would do at Smash Summit 2, and even though I wouldn't see him upsetting many people (especially how he ends up seeded with Armada R2 a lot), I'd love to see him play.

[–]Fuzzywraith 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

He wouldn't win a single set lmao... top players don't lose so 60th players when moneys on the line

[–]BlitznBurst 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Forget a set, I honestly couldn't see him taking a single game off of any of the players on this list besides maybe Alex19

[–]TechNick6425BAWZ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I could see him beating some of the other voted players, but I wouldn't see him beating any of the 10 invited players.

[–]Fuzzywraith 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh I highly doubt it. There is a reason ESAM doesn't finish top 20. Ever. I would bet 20% of my bank account right now he loses ever bracket set.

[–]JohnPenguin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

He gets Armada R2 Cus that's what he deserves at his skill level. Someone at that skill level simply doesn't deserve the summit. He also has like no melee fans unlike Alex who melee guys actually like.