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[–]Lucy__Sky 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'd rather be alone than with a cheater.

[–]Lin333 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

I rather be laughed at by the community then being with a toxic person.

Do you know how tough waking up everyday would be " why did he cheat" "am I not good enough " etc.

[–]DeputyDelicious 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is dumping a cheating husband about seeking validation while staying with him is about admitting you were a bad partner?

I think this is something that is a case by case answer, and to be more specific I don't think that the existence of one of these automatically means the other is true.

A man cheats because his needs weren't being met at home. The basis of your question assumes that the wife can meet those needs. This is sometimes just not true. So it is unfair to jump straight to "you're a bad partner" because the problem could be the thing said man needs is literally impossible for the wife to provide. Example: The guy could be gay.

But my question is: do women who leave high-valued men do so knowing at some level that they will receive long-term validation and praise and attention for what is traditionally a bad move for older women?

Traditionally leaving a high value man was a bad move for women because things were much less civilized in the past. Women were much more likely to be taken advantage of if they weren't attached to a man. If a wandering man finds a house and a farm and a widow, guess who can get a new house and farm at the small price of murdering a widow? Humans have made unbelievably vast strides in morality within just the last 100 years. So the likelihood of someone taking advantage of you in such a overt way just for being a woman is far less likely(atleast in a western country). What I'm saying is that it's no longer a bad move for a woman to divorce a man, in many cases it's actually a good move financially.

Proof of this ability for women to be more self sufficient in this day and age is the amount of women graduating with college degrees and getting work is very high in America.

As for staying with a cheating partner. In my culture, very RP, leaving a man (with whom you have children) for being a cheater is considered very childish and selfish.

Just gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and answer your questions anyway, but I think you're a troll personally.

leaving a man (with whom you have children) for being a cheater is considered very childish and selfish. Unless, he is overly disrespectful

I'm just going to say I know of no culture where cheating on your wife isn't considered overly disrespectful. I will admit I am pretty ignorant though.

if he humiliates you by cheating with very young women

I know of no man that thinks so selfishly of himself that'd he want to cheat on his partner, but then think "better go after women older than her as to not disrespect her or her family." Whatever culture this is, I gotta say the mental gymnastics are impressive.

or doing a poor job at being discrete

If you know your husband is cheating, then I'd argue that he is doing a poor job of being discrete. You do realize that this makes every scenario in your culture where a woman would leave a man not seem childish or selfish right?

Anyway I'd like to know more about this culture because it sounds so foreign to me that such a deep violation of trust can be considered ok, and having a negative reaction toward said violation can be deemed childish! That's pretty hard for me to wrap my head around.

EDIT: Called you a trolled, 5 seconds in your post history suggests otherwise. My bad. But my head still "can't even" in regards to the idea that women are automatically considered seeking validation for getting out of a toxic relationship.

[–]SouthernPetite 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know of no man that thinks so selfishly of himself that'd he want to cheat on his partner, but then think "better go after women older than her as to not disrespect her or her family.

I would think an older woman would be more embarrassing considering that on a base level we all understand being physically attracted to others without it being a criticism of your SO, whereas, hypothetically, an average looking, middle-aged woman could easily indicate that there's something wrong with you.

[–]ReclaimingFeminity 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know there's somewhere in the world where it's still considered taboo for a woman to file for divorce, and she's seen as emotionally immature for not wanting to work out why her man is straying and "taking the easy way out". Can't remember for the life of me where that is though.

[–]IVIaskerade 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

South Asia is still fairly conservative, so it could be around there.

[–]aanarchist 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

some guys just aren't wired to be loyal to their woman, especially if they're the kind of guy who's very attractive to many women, there's just a lot of temptation and no real reason not to stray. Most guys though, if he cheats it's because his woman left a gaping hole in his heart with the way she treats him, and he's man enough not to just bottle it up and do nothing about it.

I have an ex who had a history of being cheated on. Later on I realized why, she's the kind of girl who's good enough to stay with, she does all the good domestic shit, but the way she behaves and the shit she says will leave a man emotionally numb towards her, and addressing it she'll say that's just the way she is and she can't change it and wants to be loved for who she is etc. If a woman leaves a man's heart frigid, he's gonna look for someone else to warm it up for him, that's literally the only reason he wanted a relationship in the first place, fuzzy feelings. Being a perfect rpw domestic housewife doesn't mean shit if your personality is crap.

[–]Littleknownfacts 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being a perfect rpw domestic housewife doesn't mean shit if your personality is crap.

Being a perfect RPW means not having a crappy personality. Also, take some responsibility for yourself. If you (not you personally) are dating a woman that leaves you unsatisfied and she is unwilling to change then dump her, no reason to cheat except your a shitty person with a crappy personality.

Plenty of men cheat even if they are happy with their wives/girlfriends. More men don't, you don't have to cave to your every natural whim, it shows poor impulse control.

[–]nouvelle_rouge 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm just curious what your ex did that made guys emotionally numb?

[–]aanarchist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

real men don't feel pain, when they do they keep it to themselves until it's handled. if you're going to share anything you must frame it in a way that makes it sound like you've already come out on top and are sharing your success story, if it's not handled you should frame it in a way like it's no big deal and it doesn't bother you, preferably add in a joke and laugh it off. expressing your pain is a sign of victimhood and weakness.

she was good enough to keep around to cook and clean etc, never said no to sex, but ultimately a guy wants a warm hug rather than a housemaid. you could honestly be crap at cooking, if you bring warmth to his heart he'll choose you over some bitch with perfect domestic skills. i'm fine just eating sandwiches omelettes and cereal for the rest of my days, pot roast and all that good 1950s shit is icing on top.

I wasn't emotionally numbed, but being with a person like that I started to see a pattern. I'm not allowed to have feelings that are an inconvenience to her in any way. I'm not allowed to have a bad day and it actually have a visible effect on me. I'm a source of tingles and fuzzies for her, and possibly a wallet, nothing more. she was good enough to be a plate, but any emotional investment was a mistake. it sucked cuz she was a nice girl for the most part, fun to talk to, she just wasn't ltr material. it makes a guy kinda cynical about relationships, you're not interested in me, you're interested in the feelings i generate in you, and those feelings have to always be good. women are really shooting themselves in the foot with this shit. they force otherwise good men off the deep end in red pill territory and you end up with borderline robots whose only goals in life is collecting money and fucking bitches, the perfect alpha many women seem to desire.

[–]tradmarriageftw 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think this is a bit tricky. I'm going to refer to celebrities because those are the most prominent examples of high value relationships I can think of.

I think a lot of the time we can expect high value men to cheat not because of what a woman is doing, but because women are throwing themselves at high value men all the time. If a man is traveling constantly for work like we see with actors, rock stars, presidents, etc. it's more than likely happened, but not because he was directly looking for it or because of anything his wife does.

What his wife does seems to be linked with whether she thinks she can find a partner with higher value. Like everybody knew president JFK was cheating on the extremely elegant Jackie O., but she was not going to do any better by leaving the president of the US. Meanwhile, we see women celebrities with children leaving their husbands who have cheated because they most likely feel they can replace them with another high value partner because their (probably personally perceived) high value from before they got together with their partner (examples like Jennifer Gardner and Gwen Stefani come to mind).

edited for clarity

[–]snbdmliss 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

For me, I have to have trust in my SO, no matter even if others are throwing themselves at him, as cheating, lying, and disrespectful treatment are NEVER ok in my book and I don't want to be in that relationship.

[–]tradmarriageftw 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's great, but that's not what OP is asking. Not sure why everyone is taking it so personally.

[–]snbdmliss 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

She is stating that there are only two options for the woman in this case (also a culture specific case) and they have defined outcomes. To me, I have to answer my opinion on a more global scale, not her specific culture as I'm not familiar with it, and I think she's asking more globally what would a rpw do.

In that case, the woman is presumably already bringing her all to the relationship (as rpw defines all), and the man is still a cheater. The woman should have enough value and strength in her self then IMO to not tolerate that, and it's better to be alone than with someone you can't trust. There are more men in the sea, and for me personally the man would lose most if not all of his value in my eye anyway if he's a cheater. As trp says, next!

[–]tradmarriageftw 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's actually not asking for your opinion. She's asking you to analyze female behavior through the lens of Red Pill theory. I can see why you are confused though, this much more common a request on TRP than on RPW.

[–]RollingStonesFan86 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think every case should be analyzed individually. In general , I think that a woman should never be married to a cheater, because there was a break of trust. If there's no more trust, there's no more marriage.

However, I remember my aunt, when she was cheated on by my uncle, say that she was forgiving him because 1. it was a one-in-a-lifetime-thing, according to my uncle and 2. my aunt said "my husband has been an impeccable husband so far and my family will definitely fall apart without him. My kids will miss him as well. I still love him as a person, that's why I choose to forgive him and forget this episode".

It was a very noble attitude, and a very hard decision to make, and I think most women would never do what she did, but I understand and admire her position. After that, her marriage with my uncle only got better and better. After she forgave him, he was touched by her devotion, I believe.

I have seen horrible stories about women who forgave their cheating husbands and then got repeatedly cheated on, but my aunt's story is an exception and food for thought.

[–]pinkstar2345 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it depends on the situation at hand. Some men will cheat just because other girls are available, others cheat because home life is bad.

[–]OverHisKnee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

IMHO decent men don't cheat. If my husband were unhappy or felt unappreciated, I hope he would come to me so that we could figure out what changes to make together. If my husband cheated, I honestly don't know if I would stay or not. I do know that I would no longer trust, respect, and admire him so much. That sounds like the beginning of the end for a loving, happy marriage.

[–]MistressCelius 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My comments:

Personally, I always put the blame on myself. I always think that there's something wrong with me. What did I do that made him unhappy? Why did he decide to do that? Surely there's something I have done that would've done that. Yes, I'm angry and my anger can be justified, but I need to direct that energy to do something productive. It's why I'm always seeking a solution.

I also know that I can't control, and I have no desire to, my man's actions. This might be the actual deal breaker for me where I will decide to leave and shut down. The scars for myself are so deep that it will stop me from functioning for a good portion while I try to sort myself out.

I guess this is self-validation?

[–]fhigurethisout 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It breaks the agreement. Women are the gatekeepers to sex, men are gatekeepers to commitment. That's why cheating feels so awful.

It goes beyond the spectrum of "am i not good enough?", it also shows your partner doesn't have self control and doesn't value loyalty. That quickly demotes a man from being your rock to being someone you don't want to rely on.

Also every day would be a constant reminder. What woman (or man) wants that for the rest of their lives?

Do you mind me asking what culture you are from?

[–]delores_rose 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally, an occasional tryst wouldn't bother me but an affair that was emotional or lasted for years would be devastating.

Is dumping a cheating husband about seeking validation? Possibly, although I think the validation they get (in America, anyway) more from women than men. I find that most men are turned off when they find out you were cheated on, unless they are looking for an easy lay, because they are expecting she is going to have trust issues (especially if he is the first guy after her divorce) or she is hiding the truth about what really happened...what lead to the cheating.

Is staying with him about admitting you were a bad partner? I don't think so. To blame a wife for her husband actions is ridiculous. He is a grown man and is responsible for his decisions. Sure, there are things you should do to try and keep your husband happy but no one is forcing him to break his vows. The only way I could see a wife as being to blame is if he actually tried to discuss his unhappiness with her and make changes and she refused, showing him she didn't care about the marriage.