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    [–]YaBoiTibzzenjoying the blueper reels [スコア非表示]  (43子コメント)

    Yea, the main reason I don't participate much on the TRP sub is due to how much the "anger phase" and other woman-hating bullshit pervades it. The core ideas have some merit I think but it's just wrapped in so much toxicity there sometimes.

    [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (39子コメント)

    I think the anger phase is absolutely useful, and in many cases necessary. I also think it would be beneficial if more established users told the newer ones "anger is to be expected, and it's normal...but if you're still influenced by anger in negative/counter-productive ways in 8 months, then you need to lock that down and get over it."

    Anger can be a useful emotion that fuels change and progress, but if it's actively stunting growth and interfering with positive change? Then it becomes a problem. There is a level of anger that simply cannot be concealed for any length of time. If a man's goal is to spin plates for example, active and visible anger is going to be a turn-off to women. More than that, even if he can establish plates in the short-term, the turn-over rate will be very high as they become more familiar with his personality.

    Ultimately, I think anger is justified and necessary...within reason. It shouldn't halt progress or limit personal development however, and I sometimes get the impression that that is very much the case with some users.

    [–]energyvolley [スコア非表示]  (38子コメント)

    I think the anger phase is absolutely useful, and in many cases necessary

    The idea of an 'anger phase' is so childish. Instead of overcoming problems rationally, hey, lets allow ourselves a 'brief' period of anger at women, society, the people who gave us bad advice. Yeah, that'll really help get our head straight.

    It's the beginning of all the worst parts of RP. Anger is addictive... once you start down that path of outrage it's going to take much longer to reach acceptance and a healthy outlook on life. As is evident by RP subs... most all RP men never fully recover from this 'brief' period.

    [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

    The idea of an 'anger phase' is so childish.

    I disagree, I think anger can be a useful and productive emotion. Denying anger or ignoring it over the long-term is more harmful in my opinion. I'm basing this on what I have observed from the people around me however, so your experiences may differ.

    Instead of overcoming problems rationally, hey, lets allow ourselves a 'brief' period of anger at women, society, the people who gave us bad advice.

    I think anger is often a necessary component when dealing with significant, unexpected changes. It can lead to more level headed, and rationale decisions ultimately. Again, I think anger is a normal emotion, and it can be very healthy to express anger in responsible, focused ways. I've used anger to train harder in work-outs for example, and as motivation to complete projects or create art.

    That said, perpetual anger that goes unchecked and uncontrolled can be destructive and lead to many problems.

    As is evident by RP subs... most all RP men never fully recover from this 'brief' period.

    I don't agree with this. Some of the loudest voices are often the angriest, I think that's true to a certain extent. There are also many users that only lurk and never actively add to that segment of the community. Others that start out angry and then get over it and move on. I suspect the majority of users take what they need from TRP and then move on quietly with their lives.

    [–]energyvolley [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

    You're saying you think the 'anger phase' somehow qualifies as a form of 'righteous' anger. That is where we disagree. I see no righteousness in angering oneself for the sake of bad advice given... and then squaring this anger at women and society. Such anger is the furthest from righteous i can imagine. Cowardly more than anything.

    I don't agree with this. Some of the loudest voices are often the angriest, I think that's true to a certain extent. There are also many users that only lurk and never actively add to that segment of the community.

    When you have to point to lurkers to show that a sub isn't permeated with vitriol, you're not doing well. I see the vitriol as most apparent, as you seem to agree. I'm sure all those lurkers are simply great people though, agreed.

    [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    When you have to point to lurkers to show that a sub isn't permeated with vitriol, you're not doing well.

    Ultimately it's about a user's personal journey and whether or not they can utilize the information provided to achieve their desired goals. Personally, I think there could be some very positive changes implemented to the sub, but it's not my call and they probably don't care what my opinions are - which is fine.

    I know there are some users that actively try to help users progress past the anger phase and move onto more important focuses. The TRP chat for example, is a great resource. Users are encourage to do more than simply talk, and are pushed to improve themselves in several different ways.

    TRP has a large userbase, with new additions every day. The less experienced users are shuffled off to the askTRP sub when they ask simple questions.

    Everyone has different ideas, approaches, goals, and priorities. Some seem to use it purely as a space to vent, others as a resource for information and ideas.

    At the end of the day, every sub has room for improvement. I know the TRP mods have a lot of ideas they want to execute, and that they work to make TRP a useful community. Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with their ideas and direction, I understand they have a lot to deal with and consider.

    I'm sure all those lurkers are simply great people though, agreed.

    There's an idea I've heard before, and I must say that I pretty much agree with it: debating on PPD is pointless because you'll never change the mind of the person you're talking to - but you're also not trying to convince them. You're talking to the fence-sitters, the readers, and the lurkers. You are presenting your case to them, and hoping it makes a difference.

    [–]ppdthrowawaiRed Pill [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Hahaha what cracks me up is these people are SO offended by the fact that there are angry people there who are being allowed to be angry. It reminds me of all the people who were surprised that poor people exist after hurricane Katrina brought them into the public eye. I have to wonder what the average experience is like browsing the BP sub and scoffing at all the angry things you find to jerk off to.

    I agree with you as anger has been a great source of motivation in my life during periods when things are not so good. You can channel it into making improvements and doing great things for yourself.

    [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I am glad that anger has been a constructive and driving force, I myself find it extremely helpful at times - and I rarely reach a state where I am truly angry.

    I believe the users on TRP have a lot to be angry about, they are undertaking tremendous journeys, and many face a long road ahead. I do think there is a tipping point however, where the anger lasts too long, and interferes with actual progress - and that, for me, is when the anger phase becomes a problem. When it's ceases to be a 'phase' and instead becomes a corrosive standard.

    [–]OccamsUsernameAssistant (to the) Supreme High Chancellor [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

    You're saying you think the 'anger phase' somehow qualifies as a form of 'righteous' anger.

    I've certainly gotten cross when lied to. Especially if you consider that some are lied to their entire lives.

    I see the vitriol as most apparent, as you seem to agree.

    Toughen up.

    [–]Amethhyst [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Who should this anger be directed at, though? Why are particular women responsible for what some see as a collective 'lie' (if that's what you think it is) participated in by the whole of society? Women aren't 'lying' when they say they 'like nice men'; at worst, they're unaware of the subtle differences between 'nice' and 'fuckable' - as are the men getting angry at them. Who and what are they angry at, in precise terms? It seems irrational to me to get angry about a collective societal assumption - especially if you once bought into the 'lie' yourself. That is not a righteous anger.

    [–]energyvolley [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

    Especially if you consider that some are lied to their entire lives.

    In relation to dating advice i label this nothing more than the melodramatics of a child. Yet you see it as grounds for 'righteous anger'

    I see the vitriol as most apparent, as you seem to agree.

    Toughen up.

    It's not a matter of 'toughening up'... this vitriol ought to be sneered at for the ridiculous thing it is

    [–]OccamsUsernameAssistant (to the) Supreme High Chancellor [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

    Stop me if I'm wrong, but: We have a fundamental disagreement on the fact that there is a male and female nature/brain/biology. By extension, a male and female sexual strategy.

    "Be nice, do what women want" is in essence what boys are told their entire lives and its crap advice that leads to failure.

    this vitriol ought to be sneered at for the ridiculous thing it is

    Careful. Those wrinkles on your nose will become permanent.

    [–]energyvolley [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

    Ok i'll stop you right there. Obviously female male sexual strategies are different. That hasn't been touched on at all. You need to re-read the comments in this thread.

    "Be nice, do what women want" is in essence what boys are told their entire lives and its crap advice that leads to failure.

    You're projecting your personal experience and the experience of other RP readers onto the entire male population. Realise not all boys grow up taking such words as to heart as you did.

    [–]youcantdenythatSeriously? [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

    It sounds like you were never brainwashed with these lies as a child and didn't have years of despair because of it. That's probably why you can't understand the anger phase.

    [–]OccamsUsernameAssistant (to the) Supreme High Chancellor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Ok i'll stop you right there. Obviously female male sexual strategies are different. That hasn't been touched on at all. You need to re-read the comments in this thread.

    Negative.

    You're projecting your personal experience and the experience of other RP readers onto the entire male population.

    No, just underlining predominant social norms. Do you society much?

    [–]susandeathhas a towel with diamond studded cocks [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

    The idea of an 'anger phase' is so childish. Instead of overcoming problems rationally, hey, lets allow ourselves a 'brief' period of anger at women, society, the people who gave us bad advice. Yeah, that'll really help get our head straight.

    Anger is a natural emotion to feel if you have been lied to. Being angry so long that you don't make changes is irrational.

    [–]-TheOutsid3r- [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Not convinced that's necessarily the case, for a few it might be as everyone deals different but you have to take into consideration that the population of Subreddits usually has a constant exchange of users.

    So the anger phase does never end on large as you constantly have a new influx of users only now discovering it and thus entering that stage even as others grow out of it.

    [–]susandeathhas a towel with diamond studded cocks [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Not convinced that's necessarily the case,

    What's not necessarily the case?

    [–]-TheOutsid3r- [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Ah sorry, it was less about you and more about the anger phase in general. A lot of TBP rhetoric claims the anger phase is a permanent thing with all the TRP people constantly hating on women.

    Some do get stuck in it but mostly the constant stream of "anger" is due to new people joining the community thus replenishing the numbers of the angry even as other outgrows it.

    So most people aren't really angry so long they don't make changes, but the perception certainly might come up in some.

    [–]susandeathhas a towel with diamond studded cocks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Then I agree with you.

    [–]OlBastardRP|Surprise anal isn't rape. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Are you angry at the atrocities ISIS commits? Burning people alive? Raping entire populations of women in villages?

    Tell me again about how anger is childish.

    [–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    lets allow ourselves a 'brief' period of anger at women, society, the people who gave us bad advice.

    LOL @ "allow."

    As if that anger or an "anger phase" is something that can be rationally controlled.

    Trust me, it can't. It can only be worked through over time and with good information, introspection, and experience.

    [–]sublimemongrel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    This is my point. How is anger ever a sound justification to propagate hatred of 50% of the population? How is that ever useful? To anyone.

    [–]circlhat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yes when women are rape and angry they are being childish, they need to overcome their problems rationally.

    smh....

    [–]alizarin_warriortriggernometry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yeah the anger phase really does affect the content of the sub. Everyone goes through it and I don't think it means that person is necessarily a shitbag, but it IS the reason for a lot of shitposting there.

    [–]circlhat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I just read the top 10 post and no one is in the anger phase in fact most of our up voted post are guys admitted it was their fault.

    If you come in and say, "My girl left me all women are bitches", trp will respond with

    "Are you in shape" "Are you good in bed" "Where you giving in to her every demand"

    Seriously read the sub sometime, and not just what you hear, personally I don't believe in the anger phase, as I never went though it and most guys don't.

    Now if I been divorce been made a slave to work , and lose my kids and house, I would be anger, but it seems men have no outlet for anger without being demonized

    TwoX doesn't seem to suffer from this problem, nor do victims that are women, I never heard anyone call a abused women bitter, but its all we hear as men.

    [–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (32子コメント)

    Obviously I won't be hanging around either sub, but I'm curious why the shift. It seems almost identical to the previous sub. It still has "red pill" in the name, so it seems affiliated with TRP still. I feel like I'm missing something.

    [–]_wingnut_RPW MOD[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    We haven't stopped agreeing with the descriptive "red pill" as it evolved in the manosphere, which predates trp, There are some changes in the sidebar and wiki

    [–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

    I feel like I'm missing something.

    No male mods.

    [–]_wingnut_RPW MOD[S] [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

    The male mods engaged in zero Modding, we handled everything. That was not the issue

    [–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

    And yet only certain mods made the jump.

    [–]_wingnut_RPW MOD[S] [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

    We broke from TRP, those are the trp mods. "Male" mods isn't the issue, trp is

    [–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

    trp is

    And intrinsic to that is trp is for males and thus works against rpw strategy.

    [–]_wingnut_RPW MOD[S] [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

    Your attempts to guess what's going on are amusing but off. We have no problem with trp for men, we agree with trp. Trp is right. Thats fine. Its what trp wanted to tell WOMEN on our sub, not what trp tells men.

    You may never know what happened

    [–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

    Its what trp wanted to tell WOMEN on our sub, not what trp tells men.

    Then ban them like you usually did.

    You may never know what happened

    You could always go insane and...tell us?

    [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

    Our ability to moderate the community was in the process of being directly and significantly altered. "Banning as usual" was not an option. That combined with a few other things were some of the most significant reasons that prompted us to leave, as a team and start over.

    [–]lolobviouslyRed Pill [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    No its not. You are way wrong here.

    [–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    How so? Sexual strategy as advocated by trp (pump and dump/don't get married)is pretty much the opposite of what rpw wants.

    [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yes, all the female mods that actually contributed to the sub, created content, and managed the community. :0)

    [–]TempestTcup★ ̿ ̿̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\ Rouge gone Rogue /̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ ̿ ̿ ★ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    You are correct, the TRP mods weren't going to follow us since we broke away from TRP, LOL!

    [–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    They gots no vision.

    [–]GridReXXProfessor Jigglypuff [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    I think this is a good idea. I feel TRP users were using RPW to practice their strategies on women who they felt like couldn't criticize them. It was odd.

    [–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    Subbed but I have no idea what would be different about the new sub tbh. I'm guessing it was the result of a mod dispute i dont care either way really

    [–]Camille11325RedPillWives Moderator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    We are happy to have you!

    [–]RojoEscarlataRed Pill [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    I think I got the general ideas.

    Archwinger made a post in RPW (don't know the content) and regardless of the validity of the info the “tone" he used most have being insulting to women there, then the mods decided to remove the post and finally Scottish decided to use his authority as top mod to defend Archwinger's right to post, and also decided to make rules as to what the mod team should ban, the rest of the mods didn't like it so they separate themselves entirely of TRP. The irc channel thing is another story but I bet the above played a part too.

    Scottish's stand in “better be slapped with the truth, than be kissed by lies" is something I do agree on, but truth is hard to take, that doesn't mean it has to be hard to deliver, and Archwinger's retoric (which I do like) is a counter balance to MS feminist retoric thus overly aggressive.

    I know there's a middle ground here, and I'm strongly against fracturing the community.

    [–]Lucy__SkyTeam Woman RPW [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    That is...not what happened at all. Nice guess? But not even remotely.

    [–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    so what happened then?

    [–]RojoEscarlataRed Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    You are right, that was just another incident inside a broader issue.

    [–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    hmmm sounds entirely plausible.

    I think RPW is pretty good overall but sometimes I read something on there and I'm like "lol wut, this is not how guys think/are/this is not what makes them happy."

    Another fundamental flaw imo is that PUA and a large part of TRP is about massing lays, which can be figured out due to massive repetitions over a long period of time. You can't very well rack up LTRs to see what works because they take years lol.

    [–]UberBluntCruisingI'm smoking on loud, tell them bitches be quiet [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I like the proverb, not sure if that was there before but it's good.

    I'll pay you in internet points if you put /r/TRPcore on your sidebar. It makes sense the red pill but not TRP subs stick together, no?

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      [–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later [スコア非表示]  (45子コメント)

      I really cant say i blame you but i don't get why you don't just change how you mod the old sub.

      I mean compared to TRP, RPW seemed to be just espousing traditionalist notions of relationships, which i think axiomatically traditionalism is bp. i mean it called traditionalism FFS. Granted i dont agree with traditionalist notions of relationships but i really do get how they can be called "RP"

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (43子コメント)

      I'd say a big difference is that we seek an understanding of male sexuality and come from a secular background, whereas standard traditionalism shames male strategies that aren't marriage due to remaining religious undertones. While at RPW the talk is superficially traditionalist because we seek marriage, there's no judgement of plate spinning (or there isn't supposed to be, anyway) and non-female-centric dating strategies in men. I think that, while RPW looks after the woman's best interests, it still prioritizes male happiness above all within the relationship, while standard traditionalism tends to be more female-centric (or offspring-centric?) in that regard.

      [–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Ok what is a male that you other wise find attractive prefers a woman lead relationship. like he is every thing you would normally want just he prefers the lady of the relationship to take charge (solely with in the context of the relationship).

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      That would make no sense in my context because him being "everything I would normally want" includes his dominant role in the relationship.

      That said, I don't know why you ask me this because we were just talking about the difference between rpw and typical traditionalism, not hypotheticals about my personal preferences.

      [–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      just curious, really,

      [–]questioningwomanintellectual and proud of it [スコア非表示]  (38子コメント)

      Why would you want less happiness out of the relationship? Doesn't make sense to me.

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (37子コメント)

      Never said I did?

      [–]questioningwomanintellectual and proud of it [スコア非表示]  (36子コメント)

      You said RPW prioritize male happiness in the relationship over their own happiness. Why should I wanna sign up for that?

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (35子コメント)

      And then you assumed that by doing this I get less happiness, because it's a zero sum game, right?

      I am the kind of person that gets immense joy from prioritizing my SO/relationship above all. I am not claiming every woman is like this, but in my case it is true and it has always been, even before finding RPW. I'd say other RPW are like this or the sub wouldn't have any regulars.

      [–]questioningwomanintellectual and proud of it [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

      I believe in giving and taking in a relationship. You give an amount and they give you an amount back. You only give them as much as they will give you back.

      [–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      This is the transactional thinking that kills genuine connections (if they ever existed) in relationships imo. Its funny because TBP usually harshly criticizes TRP for viewing relationships as a transaction, then pulls shit like this out and shows their true colors. Thinking like this leads to a culture of combat dating, which women usually win at, and this is exactly what spawned TRP in the first place. TRP = advice for how to win at combat dating.

      RPW, especially the women I know IRL who think very similarly to the sub but have no idea what reddit is, have helped me to grasp the concept of having character. The happily married/LTR women I know don't think of their relationship as a transaction. They view their treatment of their SO as a reflection of their character, and being a good wife as a goal unto itself that is not dependent on their SO's behavior. Yes, this can hypothetically lead to one sided situations, but with the amount of screening such women typically do for their husbands, it rarely does.

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Its funny because TBP usually harshly criticizes TRP for viewing relationships as a transaction, then pulls shit like this out and shows their true colors.

      On point.

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Nowhere did I mention how much I receive from him or what he does, I merely stated my side of the equation. You went on to assume the rest, probably that I give everything and get nothing. Personally, not only do I 'receive' from him, but in the act of giving, I also feel incredibly rewarded. I suppose it's a difference in character and I didn't say all women have this trait/ought to have it.

      For me, it's something that has shown itself from the moment I was a child. For example, it makes me so much happier if I share a piece of my meal with my loved ones if it's delicious. I get so much more joy from this than if I ate the whole delicious meal by myself. Also when giving gifts. To me this is way more satisfying than receiving gifts.

      [–]exit_sandmannot the MGTOW sandman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      So basically you're playing a game of prisoner's dilemma where you're always cooperating (well, more or less).

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      My mind is rigged in a way that I get satisfaction from the sole act of giving. So it would be the prisoners dilemma, if the prisoner enjoyed cooperating for the sheer sake of it + got nice deals, so not really a dilemma.

      [–]StingrayVCRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Why do you assume it is not being given back? She's a woman talking about her side of things. Does she then need to qualify that by saying he husband does the same?

      [–]madscientistloveTable shmable, bringin' the party [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      In an ideal relationship, I think both people prioritize the other person's happiness. I do everything I can to make my fiance happy and put his needs and wants ahead of my own. His well-being is important to me because I love and care for him deeply.

      The reason this works is: He does everything he can to make me happy, and puts my needs and wants ahead of his own. My well-being is just as important to him.

      If you're with someone who is selfish and only wants to take while you do all the giving, then yes, that does not sound like a good time. This sort of relationship dynamic assumes that you have chosen your partner well, and he is a good man who loves and looks out for you.

      [–]sleeping_willow_Blue Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

      This sounds like codependency to be honest.

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Not really, but nice try pathologizing me.

      [–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

      I find it interesting that, in the crush for everyone to be fully and ruggedly independent (which is valued above all else in American culture as well as in many other Western culture), any idea of interdependency is seen as unhealthy.

      I think men and women could use less instruction on being independent and more instruction on being productively interdependent (which is usually seen as excluding notions of "scorekeeping").

      [–]sleeping_willow_Blue Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

      I don't think women are taught to be independent at all. In fact I think they are chronically dependent on men, despite feminists wishing them to be otherwise. This goes hand in hand with women's lack of agency. RPW is good in that it discourages women from placing expectations on their partner to some degree, however, they don't give women the tools to satisfy their own needs and create their own happiness. They rest her happiness completely on his, which is codependency in my opinion.

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      they don't give women the tools to satisfy their own needs and create their own happiness.

      RPW mods and contributors routinely tell overly dependent women to get a life of her own: interests, hobbies and crafts to be create their own happiness. As far as giving the tools, what else can we do?

      They rest her happiness completely on his, which is codependency in my opinion.

      This is your own personal interpretation not based on actual RPW advice. We prioritize our relationship, yes, but a life outside of the relationship is also encouraged to create a balanced lifestyle and a healthy mindset.

      [–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      So all the "strong, independent women" stuff is...what?

      [–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      In fact I think they are chronically dependent on men, despite feminists wishing them to be otherwise

      disagree, look at how feminist advocate to 'empower' women. they always say women have X issues so therefor we need to empower women, therefor men/government/corporations/organization to do/give XYZ to women.

      also a great deal of feminist rhetoric looks like gas lighting to me to get women to not see them selves as agents

      [–]whitebunny87Red Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      thank you! i agree completely. i have had friends tell me they're avoiding relationships because they want to "learn how to be alone". as if being alone is at all natural or something to aspire to.

      i get that we shouldn't be useless and miserable without an SO, but people seem to forget that we are social creatures and it's natural for us to want intimacy. there's nothing wrong with wanting a partner in life.

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      any idea of interdependency is seen as unhealthy.

      It's more interesting that actual female desires (marriage+family-centric lifestyle) are deemed as abnormal and unhealthy.

      [–]whitebunny87Red Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      i've really enjoyed your posts in this thread. thank you :)

      [–]RareBlur [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

      I am the kind of person that gets immense joy from prioritizing my SO/relationship above all.

      That sounds suspiciously like codependency.

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

      We've been through this already, read above

      [–]RareBlur [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      When everyone is saying the same thing, maybe there's some truth to it?

      [–]tintedlipbalmRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      Sure, two people playing armchair psychologist is just the argumentum ad populum I needed today.

      [–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      this sounds like a great explanation of the differences between RPW and traditionalism.

      It may even be worth putting something like this in your sidebar explanation.

      [–]TempestTcup★ ̿ ̿̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\ Rouge gone Rogue /̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ ̿ ̿ ★ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      [–]SepeanMarried RP Man [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      Good call. I hope you get the users to switch and your community doesn't end up fractured.

      How are you going to refer to yourself in shorthand? Still RPW? RPWi? RPWives?

      [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      We will probably still just say "RPW" haha, and include a link to the new sub for clarification. I'm not sure if there's really any need to differentiate things at this point. For example, I intend to maintain my "RPW Mod" flair as it currently exists.

      It may be worth talking about however, so thank you for the question.

      [–]SepeanMarried RP Man [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      A significant portion of new people will see RPW and mistake it for RPWomen, so it is something to consider. If the original sub's activity dries up and a stickied post about the new sub stays up, then I don't see it being an issue though.

      [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      All valid points, and right now no one knows what will happen on Red Pill Women. They don't have any female mods at the moment, so new mod invites may be sent out over the next few days. It will certainly be interesting to watch things unfold.

      RPWives may be the easiest term to settle on. Although "RPW" in my mind always stood for Red Pill women, I'm still a Red Pill woman, and a Red Pill mod. I can see both sides.

      I agree with your evaluation though, if the Red Pill Women does turn into a ghost town - it won't particularly matter.

      [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      All the former Red Pill Women Mods have been working together over the past few days to get the new sub up and running. Leaving was a unanimous decisions, and we are all mods on Red Pill Wives. We're excited for this new chapter and look forward to building a productive community. :0)

      [–]CrazyHorseInvincibleRed Pill Moderator [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Consider the difference between RPW and the new sub to be analogous to the difference between TRP and MRP.

      There were some competing concerns that allowing a broader range of people and viewpoints in RPW would encourage women to become plates, vs concerns that a more conservative moderation policy would prevent altogether the discussion of some obstacles faced by women who are not yet wives, but wish to successfully become so.

      In this respect, people's needs are probably best served not by choosing one approach, but allowing both to have their own community, so individuals seeking help and advice can pick what works for them.

      In general, you can expect RPW to be little bit more lightly modded in the future, while the new sub will most likely use moderation more vigorously in order to maintain a tighter focus on certain particular strategies and viewpoints.

      [–]cherries13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      "concerns that a more conservative moderation policy would prevent altogether the discussion of some obstacles faced by women who are not yet wives, but wish to successfully become so."

      Can you explain this part a little further? Which out of the old and new subreddit wanted a conservative modding policy that would prevent this discussion? And can you give examples of such obstacles?

      [–]OlBastardRP|Surprise anal isn't rape. [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

      What are your main contentions with TRP?

      [–]_wingnut_RPW MOD[S] [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

      we continue to agree with RP (Red Pill) description of male and female nature, sexual dynamics, and sexual strategies for men and women. none of this has changed. the marriage of RP ideas (which predate "TRP" and exist outside of "TRP") to the population of reddit has created its own stew of a userbase that has taken RP in other directions that we no longer wish to be associated with. The manosphere was not populated by foreigners, mgtows and omegas and it is from the manosphere most of us came, not TRP. we have not split from RP, but from TRP. right as we were feeling mutinous for various reasons, the grip that had been heretofore nonexistent was tightened, and we slipped through their fingers

      [–]OlBastardRP|Surprise anal isn't rape. [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

      Yeah, I get that TRP and RP are two different things. What I'm asking is: what aspects of TRP are you largely opposed to/hold in contempt?

      [–][削除されました]  (6子コメント)

      [deleted]

        [–]pillburtRed Pill Mana mana [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

        populated by beta/

        And that's exactly why women don't understand TRP.

        If it were full of natural alphas, they wouldn't need advice.

        But to women, they just see a man learning the process and assume he's not a man because he's not a natural.

        [–]Suzanne_by_the_River [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        And why, pray tell, should supremely unsuccessful and angry betas and omegas giving advice to women and have higher authority in the REDPILLWOMEN sub than women who have successfully won at being women their whole lives?

        [–]gainzndamezRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        they just see a man learning the process and assume he's not a man because he's not a natural.

        He's not, because beta/omega men aren't sexual beings to women. They're appliances at best and creepy rapists at worst.

        [–]autoNFAAnti-Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

        What do you RP women/wives think of /r/fPUA?

        [–]TempestTcup★ ̿ ̿̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\ Rouge gone Rogue /̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ ̿ ̿ ★ [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        It's... interesting.

        [–]whistling_dixieRPW | Steak & BJ Day should be a federal holiday [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Your flair is absolutely fantastic.

        [–]autoNFAAnti-Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        How so?

        [–]TempestTcup★ ̿ ̿̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\ Rouge gone Rogue /̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ ̿ ̿ ★ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Well, it's not the prettiest woman that needs to learn how to pick up men. Generally, women have no problem getting sex if they are a 4 or above.

        [–]impossibleworldsPurple Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Interesting. I'm glad to hear that. :D I'll definitely be lurking around.

        [–]_wingnut_RPW MOD[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Yay I've read your posts here, good stuff!

        [–]RareBlur [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

        Why is this on PPD? There's no debate here its an announcement

        [–]buarthaBP Napoleon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        In fairness, people seem to be finding plenty to debate about in the comments. And I don't know about you, but I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

        [–]whistling_dixieRPW | Steak & BJ Day should be a federal holiday [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        The original announcement on the old subreddit was removed.

        [–]LeaneGenovaRuiner of Fun[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        The mods of RPW requested permission to post, and we granted permission. A schism is certainly relevant to the interests of PPD.

        [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

        Probably for the best as rp is quite often toxic

        [–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

        Bp has said the same about them, plus they aren't dropping the rp portion.

        [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

        True, but I have hopes that maybe this new one will be less toxic.

        [–]lolobviouslyRed Pill [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

        Define toxic pls.

        [–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

        disagrees with feminism or progressivism in any way

        [–]Camille11325RedPillWives Moderator [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        Based on this definition we are still toxic! Hoping to become even more toxic as the community grows haha

        [–]lolobviouslyRed Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        I think its "Benefits someone but not me"

        [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Toxic as in has some very negative and harmful comments and posts that are troublesome. I am far from a huge feminist and I hate where feminism is going right now. Trp often, but not always, has a very rapey vibe when it comes to sex. There are some fairly reasonable people who post there but I find the bad things sometimes outweigh the good.

        [–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        They are still RP, just breaking from TRP.

        TRP does not represent the entirety of RP.

        [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        good point, I meant TRP in that post.

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        [–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        A sub for women based around male supremacy has moved because the women are sick of being expected to be submissive to the man in charge. Lol; feminism in action.

        [–]ChickenWhisperer76 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        RPW was never about "male supremacy" and it's certainly not about "feminism in action".

        [–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        actually i would argue the RPW is more about female restraint and supremacy than any thing else. but i dont have a particularly charitable view of RPW

        [–]sleeping_willow_Blue Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

        What will happen to the old sub?

        [–]Suzanne_by_the_River [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Plate Academy + TRP men circlejerking to eachother probably

        [–]_wingnut_RPW MOD[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

        That will be up to it's owner, he can appoint new mods and it can go in any direction they want

        [–]sleeping_willow_Blue Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        It will be interesting to see how the subs diverge.

        [–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        wait... their is a male in charge of rpw, WTF happened?

        [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        The owner and the creator of the sub has always been the same. They were rarely actually involved with the way RPW was moderated on a day to day basis.

        [–]A_RexRP, married, cucking his former self [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        "...RPW has decided to cut ties to the TRP sub."

        Looks like they didn't dread you hard enough.

        [–]_wingnut_RPW MOD[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        oh, they were dreadful all right

        [–]Archwinger [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

        There's already an announcement about this on the red pill women sub.

        What's the point of a separate post on purple pill debate? To stir up internet drama?

        [–]LifterofThingsRed Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Well, the original's been taken down now, so I guess it was handy to have it in two places. :)

        [–]Archwinger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        That doesn't make any sense. It belongs there more than it does here. This isn't a debate topic in the slightest. It's an attention grab.

        [–][削除されました]  (10子コメント)

        [removed]

          [–]Archwinger [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

          So despite your amicable move (which 99 percent of rpw readers would see on your sub), you wanted to be sure to announce it to anti-red pill advocates here so they'd know your personal reservations about select TRP posters?

          [–][削除されました]  (3子コメント)

          [deleted]

            [–]Archwinger [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            Surely, I didn't single-handedly push you all to a slightly more remote corner of the internet, just by being a silver-tongued misogynist.

            [–]GridReXXProfessor Jigglypuff [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            She likely posted here because there are actually women in PPD who agreed with some of RPW but just disliked the deference they showed TRP and how TRP users felt too comfortable on their sub.

            Now they know they can join and not have to worry about the aforementioned.

            [–]downunderitNon-Red Pill Feeeemale [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

            What's the point of you mob being in ppd anymore them? No-one cares that you want to live traditionally. Bp in Ppd is not arguing against that it's arguing against the misogyny from rp mostly

            [–]UberBluntCruisingI'm smoking on loud, tell them bitches be quiet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            It seems to me that the dispute was about moderation and the contents and aims of the new sub will the same as the old one. In this case, whatever beef bloops have before will remain, especially since it still has "red pill" in its name.

            Although I do agree with you that there is no reason BP should care about them wanting to live traditionally, fact is they do because anyone living in a way different to how they live is bad.

            Hardly anything new in the feminist movement tho is it?

            "No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one."

            -Simone de Beauvoir

            Feminism: freeing women from the patriarchy so we can control you instead.

            [–]SepeanMarried RP Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Hardly. BP regularly deny red pill truths in general.

            [–]_wingnut_RPW MOD[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            not every self titled "RPW" in here ever participated in RPW. RP is a set of ideas that existed off of reddit and continues to do so. There is no requirement one be tied to the TRP subreddit, like MRP is not tied to the TRP subreddit and MRPs participate here. we still agree with the Red Pill descriptions of male and female nature, sexual strategy and sexual dynamics, none of which wer einvented on TRP. TRP was created to DISCUSS the redpill, it did not invent it

            [–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            I swear that this fact is repeated so many times here that it is only willful ignorance that necissitates it's repitition. It's easier to debate those TRPers being idiots than to take on the whole paradigm, so BPers just pretend that the idiots are the paradigm and call it a day.

            [–]RidinTheMonster [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

            But isn't the idea of RPW to cater to RP men?

            [–]_wingnut_RPW MOD[S] [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

            No it never was that.

            [–]RidinTheMonster [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

            Why bother adopting the same name then?

            [–]Camille11325RedPillWives Moderator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            The Red Pill Subreddit did not invent the term Red Pill to describe the body of ideas that both subs are based on. It originated in the manosphere. Please read this for more information about what our subreddit is about.

            [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

            We utilize the RP female dating strategy. We agree with RP ideas.

            [–]RidinTheMonster [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

            So do you mind explaining exactly what aspects of TRP you disagree with? There must be something, or you wouldn't bother seperating yourselves.

            I'm genuinely curious.

            [–]Camille11325RedPillWives Moderator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            This explains what our subreddit is about, if you would like more information :)

            [–]lolobviouslyRed Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            They are women, so they have different goals, the use RP to get those goals.

            They discuss how to use RP beliefs about relationships to help them as women, be successful at getting the men that women want, just like TRP uses RP beliefs to get the women that men want.

            [–]PhantomDream09RPW Mod [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            We agree with Red Pill ideas and concepts. We wanted to make sure that we (the RPW moderating team) had the ability to protect and preserve the interests and goals of RPW users by maintaining a community solely invested in helping RP women achieve happiness in their LTR's and marriages.

            [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

            I also want to know

            [–]Camille11325RedPillWives Moderator [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

            The Red Pill Subreddit did not invent the term Red Pill to describe the body of ideas that both subs are based on. It originated in the manosphere. Please read this for more information about what our subreddit is about.

            [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

            See a lot of that makes sense and is far from the horrorshow that trp sometimes is. My biggest problem with these subs isn't really what they are about but how they think they are the only right way. Some of the things on the page you shared I like and use in my life, other parts I don't.

            [–]TempestTcup★ ̿ ̿̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\ Rouge gone Rogue /̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ ̿ ̿ ★ [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

            My biggest problem with these subs isn't really what they are about but how they think they are the only right way.

            We at RPW have never said that we have the only right way, but our subs (new and old) are based on the RP tenets as they were originally set in the manosphere long before TRP appeared on reddit and corrupted them. When you come to our sub, you get RP conversations as they apply to women's sexual strategy.

            [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            Well hopefully it allows your new page to be a lot healthier by distancing from trp. Nothing wrong with wanting to be yourself.

            [–]nomdplumeRed Pill Lone Wolf [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            Shocker that a woman can't relate to a sub designed for men.

            [–]shogunofsarcasmI do what I want [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            I was saying that I don't relate to everything in RPW a sub designed for women. I don't relate to most of the stuff in TRP because most of it is garbage hidden under the ploy of improving yourself. Only some of the improving yourself stuff there is actually good.

            [–]TheTerrorSquadlab rat [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

            That's a very dangerous idea. I think first and foremost a rpw will choose a man and THEN she caters to him and him alone. Do not start by catering as default it won't end well.

            Furthermore if you decide to cater to a guy you really should choose well and that's where RPW sub is helpful