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Who/what are Red Pill women? (self.asktrp)

Viramont が 投稿

So as far as I can tell, there's a Red Pill board dedicated to our female halves.

Often times I see people saying "don't empower women with the red pill."

Why does RPW exist if RP is so against it?

edit: It's funny seeing the conflicting answers between those in anger phase, and those in acceptance phase. lol

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[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCisWhiteMaelstrom 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

Redpillwomen's not really about empowering women or anything like that. They talk about how to be good enough wives and girlfriends to either get a high value SO or keep around theirs around.

You know how TRP always says to avoid committing to women who take you for granted or treat you like shit? RPWs try to be the ones you don't avoid. I like them, they're nice.

[–]landon042 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The girls over there are truly the happiest also If they do their best to improve to land alfabux They won't have disgust over beta husband,

[–]DeputyDelicious 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bet you they all make the dankest cookies.

[–]1wakethfkupneo 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

What makes them "Red Pill"?

They know and accept the same truths we preach here. No sugarcoating.

What do they want?

Unlike us guys here - a very heterogenous group where some want just to spin plates and never ever marry, some want to spin plates on the double and marry later (enter 40s), some are already married for years and just want it to work well ... they have one goal: old style 1950s marriage (aka "Marriage 1.0") where husband is the leader ("Captain/First Officer" dynamic) of a functional family.

There are many properly raised girls who don't buy into feminist's BS and are overall decent girls with low count, but what sets RedPillWomen apart is that they know RP truths. They're aware of their hypergamous natures, they know what shit tests are (ordinary women do that subconsciously), they know that being submissive and let the man lead will make them truly happy (for woman raised in today's climate it's quite a leap of faith) and do their best to reach the goal.

[–]UndergroundRP -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're aware of their hypergamous natures

You might be getting a little carried away there.

[–]nuesuh 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're the opposite of this

[–]BEWARE_OF_BEARD 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

what the fuck even is that.

[–]DeputyDelicious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

a goblin guide. One of the best red cards ever printed.

edit: for the sake of hilarity, I might go so far as to call this a vexing devil.

[–]seattleron 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like RPM, they understand the psychology of men, they're not feminists in that they think they are owed something special because they have vaginas, and they actively try to do things that attract men to want to keep them around just like we do with women.

In other words, they do the complete opposite of what most American/western women do these days. Think, hot housewife of the 1950's (not that they don't work, just trying to give you a visual). Slim (or trying to be), feminine, sweet, great at domestic things, very little nagging, not a social media whore, respects you as a man, lets you lead because she knows she makes decisions based on emotion that sometimes turn out bad, etc.

[–]ilovemagicmush 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

i have an RPW as an LTR. AMA

(found in the wild)

[–]Viramont[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well what type of woman is she? Does her hamster go into overdrive? What is your relationship dynamic like?

[–]ilovemagicmush 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

no hamster, shes ultra straightforward... gives plenty of BJs, cooks, cleans, doesnt ask for anything in return except my appreciation for her.

the dynamic is, im her boss, i tell her wat to do, and she always does it with enthusiasm. she loves to see me satisfied, and is super encouraging and supportive for me to pursue my career dreams

[–]Viramont[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is almost exactly how a plate of mine is, aside from occasional hamstering, and general want of more affection from me.

How do you make this work to be honest? I want to attempt an open relationship with her.

[–]ilovemagicmush 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

she started off as plate, and she said she's perfectly happy with the fwb deal, but if ever i would like to have a relationship she would be down. and i just didnt really give a fuck about other girls at that point, and she makes an awesome gf...

i never withheld affection from her though. she does way more for me than i do for her anyway, and its always been like that

[–]whitebunny87 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

she said she's perfectly happy with the fwb deal

that's not an RPW :/

[–]Viramont[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shit yeah that's how we started, fwb. I don't withhold affection, I'm just naturally not affectionate.

I'd say we do more or less the same for each other, sometimes out doing the other. (I've been really sick these past couple of weeks and she's done her part to take care of me.)

I guess I'll see where this leads. Any pointers you have other than the obvious dread, maintaining frame, etc?

[–]ilovemagicmush 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

well dude, if you want an open relationship thats basically the exact same as a plate. so you already have that.

i never used any RP techniques to get this girl. i was just straightforward about what i wanted and she was too. thats it. theres no magic potion or special technique. just open communication and the fact that we get along really well

[–]Viramont[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good looking out man, thanks.

[–]TheRedStoic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

An RPW is about holding commitment from a true (not fake image of) alphabucks through agency of self.

Just like trp is about landing women through agency of self.

Ignore them. They're mastering defense while we're mastering offense. Same facts, different approach necessarily.

[–]RXRob 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Additional question: Where the fuck do you meet an RP woman in the wild?

[–]ConcealingFate 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Day game. Grocery store, early hobbies, coffee shop.

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    [–]redpeel 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Best place would be a university woman from those origins.

    AWALT motherfucker. All Indian women at my uni rode the carousel only to go back to India and get that perfect arranged marriage to the wealthy beta bux. Now everytime I reactivate facebook I see a couple of new pictures with them posing in gold and orange clothing besides their husbands. Brazilians aren't your special snowflakes either. The rest I haven't really met but AWALT still applies.

    [–]letriggeredface 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Indians are insane, the men are so thirsty theyre at deaths door from dehydration. The women are batshit insane, a matriarchy where women rule by proxy of their husband, fem centric laws and a "why arent i a white girl" mentality makes for one giant pile of shit to avoid. Oh and of course designated shitting streets exist in india so fuck those savages.

    South koreans are plastic surgery obsessed and very prudish (helicopter parents and mores about sex restrict it). You'll find many virgins but not as many whores.

    Brazil is... well the women are great but the country itself is a shithole to avoid.

    Russia and ukraine are my top favorites. Current ltr of 1.5 years is from ukr, lived together since day 1, hasnt been a bad thing at all. My only chore is doing dishes and were moving to a new apartment soon anyway with a dishwasher so that wont even be my problem anymore. My only complaint is too much makeup.

    [–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Another -Indian here as well.

    [–]SpinPlates 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    To me a red pill women is someone that wants a 1950s house wife life where she stays at home and cooks and cleans and spoils her man when he gets home from work.

    I actually met a girl just like this. I saw her argue with some feminist on Facebook and she was destroying them saying if she wants to be a house wife that's her prerogative. Unfortunately she wasn't quite attractive enough for me to take her seriously

    [–]Sepean 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm married to an RPW who makes six figures.

    [–]TRP VanguardWhisper -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

    There are no "red pill women". The "red pill" is about sexual strategy for men.

    There's a subreddit calling itself that. But I could call myself a square circle if I wanted. It wouldn't mean I was suddenly an impossible shape with both four and zero corners.

    [–]Thenextprince -1ポイント0ポイント  (15子コメント)

    I really didn't understand why the fuck rp would endorse something woman-oriented. I thought it was a sister sub this whole time. Which was weird to me, that men cant even have TRP to themselves.

    [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Men build edifices. Women show up when edifices are built, asking, "where's my share?".

    RPW is actually a tradcon (traditional conservative) group. They want the deal women had in previous centuries. And they believe they can have it in the modern world, by treating Marriage 2.0 like Marriage 1.0 and pretending real hard.

    But marriage 2.0 isn't a different thing from the word go. Marriage 2.0 is marriage + Divorce 2.0.

    Every girl pretends she's sweet and would never do that... until she decides she doesn't love you anymore, therefore she never did, therefore it's Divorce 2.0 time. Now, maybe she will never decide that. But if she would never decide that, why does she want to get married?

    If you would never, ever, ever pull the trigger under any circumstances, why would you even want a gun to point at someone's head?

    [–]RPW MODCamille11325 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    RPW is different from a tradcon group because it is a community organised around Red Pill ideas. Most of the subscribers are atheist and there are plenty of women who would describe themselves as liberal on a host of issues.

    Just like the male RP subreddit, RPW is aware of the realities of both marriage and divorce. Most of the women who participate are already married and seeking to improve their marriages. The goal of anyone who is a regular at RPW is to have a harmonious relationship where the man is prioritised. Except in the most drastic circumstances we always encourage married couples to stay together and do not advocate divorce. All of the RPW that I have spoken to are against the current divorce situation and would prefer an end to no fault divorce, child support, and all of the other injustices that men have to deal with.

    [–]Thenextprince -3ポイント-2ポイント  (11子コメント)

    They're all jUST untrustworthy worthless immoral sluts worth nothing but a nut. That's my take on women.

    [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

    That's the recommended attitude. Keeps you safe.

    At the very least, men should regard any woman who wants marriage as unworthy of it. Especially after she has had the risks to the man explained to her.

    Sure, plenty of women think, oh, they'd like to get married, because they never really thought about what it's like for the man, and don't know any better.

    But if a woman still wants you to sign that paper after she's been told about the divorce rate, the family court system, what divorce does to men, etc, then she's selfish trash and not worth your time.

    If any man wants to see what most RPW posters are really like, make a fake female account and post a comment that you wouldn't hold out for marriage, because it's a bad bargain for men, and you wouldn't do that to someone you loved.

    Then sit back and eat popcorn.

    [–]TheLongerCon 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

    This is a bit extreme. You're asking women to be completely selfless. There are numerous reasons for a women to want marriage, mainly for stable child rearing and the social status.

    [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    This is a bit extreme. You're asking women to be completely selfless.

    Yes, I am. I'm teaching male sexual strategy, remember?

    It's a lot safer for women to be selfless than men, though. Men have a protective instinct towards women, and women do not have one towards men.

    Selfless women are loved and cared for by men. Selfless men are used as doormats by women.

    This is why male dominance is better than female dominance or "equality" (which always, in practice, turns into female dominance).

    [–]TheLongerCon 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Yes, I am. I'm teaching male sexual strategy, remember?

    Right, and good sexual strategy is realistic. If you're going to determine every women who desires to get married is untrustworthy then you're basically all women are untrustworthy.

    This isn't altogether wrong, because there's is a certain level of healthy cynicism one should always maintain about the opposite sex. But we must not fall for the fallacy of gray

    Everything is shades of gray, but there are shades of gray so light as to be very nearly white, and shades of gray so dark as to be very nearly black. Or even if not, we can still compare shades, and say "it is darker" or "it is lighter"

    Likewise , if I'm interpting your argument correctly, you are correct that all women that you enter into marriage with have the potential to fuck you over, even if they're not actively planning on it the moment you tie the knot.

    However, they are not all equally likely the screw you over. Certain personality traits are red flags. Certainly personality traits are green flags. If you're both highly educated, with good jobs the chances of divorces plummets. It goes down even further if neither of you have neither have been married before.

    The reason I have problem with what you're saying is that we know some men will desire to get married, if only for the fact of raising their kids in a stable environment. Now you may think the risk is stupid(and I'd agree personally, I never plan to get married), but that's what men do, take risks for rewards. Now if we accept this risk is going to happen, we do best to minimize that risk by helping them pick girls that are likely to be good wives.

    It's a lot safer for women to be selfless than men, though. Men have a protective instinct towards women, and women do not have one towards men.

    Oh come on, you don't think a man has ever screwed over a perfectly good wife? This is just fantasy. Some men beat their wives without provocation. Some men cheat. Some men are just lame ass husbands who get lazy. And while you can argue women have the option of divorce, its still a messy painful process that takes years out of their prime reproductive years and leaves them bitter and jaded trying to scope up left on the dating market before their eggs dry up and all this while they're stuck raising their kids without a father at home.

    People suck.

    This is why male dominance is better than female dominance or "equality" (which always, in practice, turns into female dominance).

    I actually agree with this as far as relationship dynamics go, still disagree that everyone women that wants to get married is untrustworthy.

    TL;DR Saying virtually every women is untrustworthy doesn't actually provide young men with any useful information, distinction like trustworthiness are only useful when they can be used to discern between different people, "Everyone lies" is not useful advice for figuring out who to trust

    [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Fallacy of grey

    Not a bad point.

    But shall we coin a phrase?

    Multiple Choice Fallacy

    Just because a number of options are presented, even if some are better than others, does not mean that any are acceptable.

    Example: "Of these three strangers, only this one has a clean criminal record. Therefore, he is the one I should give my online banking password to."

    Odds - Risk Confusion Fallacy

    The risk of a negative event is not equal to the odds of the event happening, but to the odds of it happening multiplied by the damage it would inflict.

    Example: "Not wearing a seatbelt isn't risky! The odds of getting in an accident are very low!"

    "Everyone lies" is not useful advice for figuring out who to trust

    Multiple Choice Fallacy again. You are assuming that young men must chose one person to trust with marriage. They can also choose "none of the above".

    They can even have a long-term relationship. They need simply avoid signing the papers, which add much risk and no benefit.

    Women want marriage because it incurs increased social status for them among other women. It's fine to want that if she is simply unaware that marriage turns a man into a second-class citizen. Then she simply needs to be educated.

    If she doesn't care that marriage turns men into second-class citizens, she's selfish, and unworthy of any man's trust.

    This is why I don't think think much of RPW. They are all sweetness and light when they think they will get what they want. But point out that marriage turns a man into a second-class citizen, and suggest that they might not want to do that to a man they love, and they generally don't just disagree... they lash out in fury and the veneer of sweetness falls away.

    Of course, they're not all exactly the same, but by and large, RPW seems to consist of women who wish feminism and the sexual revolution never happened, but expect men to protect them from the negative effects of these things. We're simply supposed to treat them like the genteel southern ladies of a bygone age, nevermind what the laws about marriage are now, nevermind what the environment is like for us, nevermind any of that.

    Despite the fact that it's other women who messed things up for them, they expect, nay, demand, that men be the ones to fix it.

    We're just supposed to write them a signed blank check and hope. Anyone who asks for that much trust is not your friend. And anyone who angrily demands that much trust is trouble on two legs.

    Not for me, thank you. And not for anyone who listens to my advice. You get to work your way up from plate just like everyone else. You don't get to cut to the front of the line by pinkie-swearing that you're different.

    Because all women say that.

    [–]TheLongerCon 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Example: "Of these three strangers, only this one has a clean criminal record. Therefore, he is the one I should give my online banking password to."

    In that example you're getting nothing in return. I'd never argue that you should take risk with no possibility of reward.

    They can even have a long-term relationship. They need simply avoid signing the papers, which add much risk and no benefit.

    To many people raising a kid in a stability of marriage is very important. Children of two married spouses have better life outcomes in virtually every measure(Though, correlation does not always equate causation alone, studies suggest stability is the most important factor). To some people its a religious/spiritual benefit, to some men the social status is important. To some having their kids understand they're committed to one another is important.

    Now, to you none of those things may seem like rewards(they don't to me), but we must accept to many they are very important goals in life that they're willingly to take a risk on.

    Women want marriage because it incurs increased social status for them among other women. It's fine to want that if she is simply unaware that marriage turns a man into a second-class citizen. Then she simply needs to be educated.

    While divorce courts can be bullshit, they tend to fuck over whoever makes more in favor of the person who stays at home with the kid. I know men who's wives make similar/more then them, and in the case of divorce, they make out just a fine as their wife.

    If, you believe in the stay at home wife model, then I'd have to agree, you are taking a huge risk. To some the risk is worth it and others not. It would be a pretty big risk for a women to stay at home raising your kids for 10 years, and then once she's not as pretty anymore you run away with your secretary and leave her old and lonely. Either way, someone has to take the risk.

    Now, I understand you're teaching male sexual strategy, but realism is part of that strategy. Women are even more risk adverse then men, and if you next everywomen that doesn't feel like playing house and just relying on your goodwill to never skip out, you'll probably miss out on some quality women.

    Interestingly enough, I've noticed a trend in the black community that's very similar to what you seem to describe as the ideal situation. That is men and women having kids together and raising them as a family without every getting married. It's interesting in that its a departure from the stereotypical absentee black father figure, yet still something different then the sterotypical suburban picket fence ideal into a new family structure. I wonder if they will make its way into mainstream America soon. Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

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      [–]jeezydasnowman -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Because they are moralists. I want to fuck sluts, not have a girl hold out on me because of her values.

      [–]Thenextprince -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Exactly how I feel. Sluts are so convenient. Do you do LTRs?

      [–]jeezydasnowman -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I would after a six month time to get to know her.