Performance of the Volkssturm?

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Performance of the Volkssturm?

Postby sandeepmukherjee196 » 04 Jan 2015, 08:43

[Split from "An extensive list of Volkssturm-Bataillons?"]

Hi Germanicus / Mark...

How are you doing? I was wondering whether it is possible to throw some light on the performance of Volkssturm units who did well? One always hears that the entire Volkssturm misadventure was a sorry affair. Disorganisation, lack of training and weapons and low morale. But are there any individual units who left a mark in any battle action? You are one person who would know :)

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Re: Performance of the Volkssturm?

Postby Germanicus » 04 Jan 2015, 13:56

Dear Sandeep

I appreciate your question. I will be or try to be, as careful as possible in gauging the term performance. In historical terms it must be remembered that the creation of the 'Deutscher Volkssturm Wehrmacht', its official title, was an NSDAP creation. If defeat is anything to go by, as some will argue, it performed quite poorly. Yet stating the word poorly, would belittle and lay insult to the many who perished. This I will not do out of respect.

One must further recall that the Volkssturm was created, approximately, within the final 6 months of the final defeat of Germany. Germany by this stage had been bombed into the stone age. How it was even able to remain in battle is incredible. More so the Volkssturm was being formed just before the Ardennes Offensive. The supply and transportation system was in chaos and bearing in mind all of that, the Volkssturm was born. With such little time left, it would be hard pressed to create an effective call up, with so many men, with such few weapons to fight with. Remember the weapon that is closely associated with the Volkssturm was the Panzerfaust!! So in essence the Volkssturm was at a disadvantage from the beginning. The First and Third Levy [mobilisation] of the Volkssturm and Hitlerjugend may have been most effective had ample weaponry been available and had been planned for well in advance. The First Levy was made up of men with military experience. The Third Levy made up of an organisation that was influenced and trained by the military.

Mentioning the Hitlerjugend does and will instill bitter debate, on ethical and moral grounds. Yet a Nation must go through, what Germany was experiencing, so late in the war, to see what levels it will stoop to in order to have a chance of victory. Incredible I know, yet victory was still sort, yet Germany in 1944/45 had sowed the seed and was now reaping the whirlwind. Germany was fighting for survival and with a totalitarian Government in power, anything was possible, Total War had come home to roost.

There are many occasions where the Volkssturm performed adequately and effectively, many occasions it performed not so well. However, to expect a victory, as stated above was beyond the realm of even the German Army, so late in the war. Dr David Yelton states : 'In areas where local conditions were favorable, where party officials worked with the army to provide adequate arms and training, and where they were integrated into the army command, militia units proved useful. When they believed they were being sacrificed to allow army units to withdraw, or witnessed the flight of party officials, Volkssturm men typically surrendered..'

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It was in the East that the Volkssturm was extensively involved in the defence of Germany. It is actually untrue to claim that the Volkssturm was totally ineffective, as Volkssturm troops fought extensively on the Eastern Front, particularly in East Prussia, Breslau, along the Oder River and in Berlin. The 19.Armee on the Upper Rhine became so dependent on Volksturm troops that it was nicknamed the 19.Volkssturm-Armee. Volkssturm troops also fought along the Western Front as well. While often ineffective in prolonged combat some Volksturm units fought well in local defense, in static positions, and in river positions.

In the eastern frontiers the Volkssturm fought extensively in Danzig, Prussia, Brandenburg, Silesia, Pomeranien, Wartheland, Styrien and the Sudetes. In the west, the Volkssturm were used extensively in the region of Essen and the Westmark.

When the Soviet offensive of January 1945 pushed back Armee Gruppe A and Center the VS units escorted and protected the three million German refugees. For instance, in Breslau 25,000 Volkssturm soldiers fought on until May 6. Fighting at Küstrin between 30 January to 29 March 1945, militia units made up mostly of the Volkssturm resisted for nearly two months. Losses were upwards of 60 percent for the Volkssturm at Kolberg, roughly 1900 of them died at Breslau, and during the Battle of Königsberg (Kaliningrad), another 2400 members of the Volkssturm were killed. Their most extensive use was during the Battle of Berlin, during which Volkssturm units fought in many parts of the city.

The Volkssturm-Bataillon Libau which fought as part of a 607 Division, was dislodged three times, but in every case it launched fierce counter-attacks. In this bitter struggle the Bataillon Commander and most of his men remained on the field of battle. From The Wehrmacht Experience in Russia by Bob Carruthers. On Page 308 of Panzer Operations: The Eastern Front Memoir of General Raus, 1941-1945 By Erhard Raus also states the same. Yet he also states that on other occasions not so well.

The following by Dr David Yelton may be of assistance.

From David K. Yelton's well-researched Hitler's Volkssturm: the Nazi Militia and the Fall of Germany, 1944-1945 (University of Kansas Press, 2002), pages 125-127:

'Wehrmacht reliance on the Volkssturm as substitute infantry increased still further after the massive Soviet offensive against the Oder-Neisse position began on April 10. Volkssturm units here often fought bravely and inflicted heavy losses on the Soviet attackers, but they could not hold due to the Germans' lack of reserves. Intent on keeping the Soviets as far east as possible, Hitler authorized sending Berlin Volkssturm battalions and some 6,000 boys in HJ antitank teams as reinforcements to defend the Seelow Heights and other positions behind the Oder. Although fierce fighting here generated heavy casualties for both sides, these improvisations only delayed but could not halt the Soviets. Furthermore, much like their special purpose battalion comrades at Zielenzig, many hastily dispatched Volkssturm units were dispersed by air attacks (against which they had no protection) or quickly overrun before they reached their assigned positions.

The decision to fight at the Oder also upset Berlin's defense preparations to some extent. The Berlin Volkssturm not only lost a substantial proportion of its better-equipped battalions, but Hitler also required it to turn over weapons to help arm thirty battalions of Luftwaffe and naval personnel. In spite of these reductions, Volkssturm units still constituted about half of Berlin's defense force; but what remained were generally poorly trained and ill equipped. In fact, one officer reported his zone's Volkssturm units had fifteen different rifle and ten different machine gun models.

On the positive side, however, army-Volkssturm relations in Berlin had been largely cordial since defense preparations commenced in late January. Since then, Party-army efforts had improved fortification construction efforts, logistical arrangements, and Volkssturm unit and leader training -- particularly in antitank and street-fighting tactics. As in Breslau, the Party and army had reorganized units to create battle-worthy formations, scrutinized unit leader appointees for competence, replaced those found lacking with able former officers, and attempted to assign men to familiar geographic areas. Some units also received a stiffening of police to increase their combat potential. Wehrkreis officials even sought to ensure that rear-echelon soldiers treated Volkssturm men respectfully. These efforts led Berlin's military commanders to report on April 15 that the Volkssturm was willing and somewhat able to fight.

Several Volkssturm battalions did indeed contribute to the city's bitter, if futile, defense by holding the Teltow Canal, protecting quiet sectors, ambushing Soviet reconnaissance patrols, and in street fighting. As always, however, Volkssturm units were brittle and poorly supplied, frequently reduced to procuring essential items by scavenging the battlefield, looting warehouses, or begging from sympathetic civilians. Many Volkssturm men recognized the futility of the struggle and either never reported for duty or threw away their armbands, paybooks, and equipment (if indeed they had any) and went home when they tired of fighting or ran out of ammunition or other necessary supplies.

Hitler Youth military exploits in Berlin -- and indeed throughout Germany -- have been highly publicized, overshadowing the fact that they were only a fraction of the capital's substantial Volkssturm contingent. The fanatic HJ defense of the Pickelsdorfer bridges over the Havel did delay Soviet encirclement of the city for two days and was one of the most important Volkssturm successes in Berlin. HJ forces also fought, primarily as antitank teams, in other areas of Berlin and in the defenses west of the Oder ...'

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I will respond in more detail if you wish, however I am working on a major update of the Volkssturm-Bataillones listing.

Most respectfully

Mark


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Re: Performance of the Volkssturm?

Postby sandeepmukherjee196 » 04 Jan 2015, 20:15

"The Volkssturm-Bataillon Libau which fought as part of a 607 Division, was dislodged three times, but in every case it launched fierce counter-attacks. In this bitter struggle the Bataillon Commander and most of his men remained on the field of battle".

Hi Mark...Thanks a lot. The VS exploit mentioned by you here is very interesting and quite different from the usual generalised sad tales one hears about the VS. When you find time, please do let us have some more of these instances of last ditch gallantry and bravery. These do correct to a certain extent, the unidimensional narrative of a demoralised body of hapless exploited old men, used as cannon fodder!
Thanks again
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Re: Performance of the Volkssturm?

Postby Michael Kenny » 04 Jan 2015, 20:47

I am afraid the book in question ( Hitler's Volkssturm: the Nazi Militia and the Fall of Germany, 1944-1945 ) has very few of these ' instances of last ditch gallantry and bravery'. The examples of isolated effectiveness are far outnumbered by the useless and senseless death and destruction of old men and boys lacking even decent footwear and no means of even feeding themselves let along fight effectively. I think the Holztrager book (In A Raging Inferno) best illustrates the tragedy with an account of a HJ Unit marching forward to defend a village and being passed by the Army units retreating because it had been decided the village was to be given up to shorten the line! Even worse when HJ units did try and take up position the villagers chased them away as they did not want to suffer the consequences of any resistance to the Allies.
Both books have many accounts of these Units simply dissolving and going home or being sent home by the Army.

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Re: Performance of the Volkssturm?

Postby sandeepmukherjee196 » 04 Jan 2015, 21:04

Hi Mark....Craving your indulgence please....I have used the reference given by you to post the relevant portion on the Pichelsdorf bridge thread.
Hope it's ok with you.

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Re: Performance of the Volkssturm?

Postby Germanicus » 05 Jan 2015, 01:23

Dear Sandeep and Michael Kenny

As I said I am in the middle of a major update on the Volkssturm and I will give more detailed attention to this subject in the future. So true Michael Kenny, however, if given time, which I have little of at the moment, I could go into a more balanced response to the question. I will not push forward the view of highlighting 'instances of last ditch gallantry and bravery'. This whole episode and time period is a tragedy on epic proportions. At no stage have I utilised or will I put forward the view, that the Volkssturm fought ' instances of last ditch gallantry and bravery'. I don't understand why you included that in your post Michael. This isn't about heroism. This isn't about the posts on the SS or the Bridges of Berlin that has caused much heated debate. This is about a tragedy and desperate times caused desperate measures.

To all, I do not wish to get into any controversy on this subject, political correctness, how we see the world now was very different in 1944/45. Trying to understand a period in time with modern glasses causes misunderstanding and unnecessary arguments. Many books have been written on the fall of Germany in 1945. The subject matter they describe attempts to cover specific details of an event, the subject in general terms or a more detailed aspect of the German or Allied Armies during that period.

Very few books have been specific on the Volkssturm and many would not have read them or care to read what little is out there. I concur the Holztrager book (In A Raging Inferno) does best describe the tragedy as a whole. The few books that have been written on the 'Volkssturm und Hitlerjugend' in battle all have an underlining message, a tragedy and a disaster. To expect old men and teenagers too fight in Battle is going too far, with so little preparation, without effective weapons is appalling.

In instances I have read, the use of the word cannon fodder is not a term I would use. The Army Commanders would more than likely, disband or send those assembled home. However in some cases that was not possible. Fighting the Russians was a different matter. It appears by all accounts that the brutality of Russian retribution, was why the Volkssturm fought so desperately and so hard in the East. Küstrin, Kolberg, Breslau and Königsberg are battles you should read about if one wishes to gauge the effectiveness of the Volkssturm.

Yet with so many dead and no victory, what was achieved? Maybe buying time. Time to allow the civilian population to escape. One must also remember that these men and boys were now fighting for their homelands. The Volkssturm may have achieved greater effectiveness, under certain conditions however, Germany in 1945 was not in favorable condition to utilise, what good the Volkssturm could have afforded her. The end result was ultimate defeat, the conditions that the Volkssturm was created under, as well as the undertaking they were expected to achieve was beyond their capability. Like most things about the Third Reich, time was not on her side. Too little, too late or too much in a hurry to consolidate the effectiveness of the gains that was at Germany's disposal.

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Mark

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Re: Performance of the Volkssturm?

Postby sandeepmukherjee196 » 14 Mar 2015, 15:40

Germanicus wrote:Dear Sandeep and Michael Kenny

As I said I am in the middle of a major update on the Volkssturm and I will give more detailed attention to this subject in the future. So true Michael Kenny, however, if given time, which I have little of at the moment, I could go into a more balanced response to the question. I will not push forward the view of highlighting 'instances of last ditch gallantry and bravery'. This whole episode and time period is a tragedy on epic proportions. At no stage have I utilised or will I put forward the view, that the Volkssturm fought ' instances of last ditch gallantry and bravery'. I don't understand why you included that in your post Michael. This isn't about heroism. This isn't about the posts on the SS or the Bridges of Berlin that has caused much heated debate. This is about a tragedy and desperate times caused desperate measures.

To all, I do not wish to get into any controversy on this subject, political correctness, how we see the world now was very different in 1944/45. Trying to understand a period in time with modern glasses causes misunderstanding and unnecessary arguments. Many books have been written on the fall of Germany in 1945. The subject matter they describe attempts to cover specific details of an event, the subject in general terms or a more detailed aspect of the German or Allied Armies during that period.

Very few books have been specific on the Volkssturm and many would not have read them or care to read what little is out there. I concur the Holztrager book (In A Raging Inferno) does best describe the tragedy as a whole. The few books that have been written on the 'Volkssturm und Hitlerjugend' in battle all have an underlining message, a tragedy and a disaster. To expect old men and teenagers too fight in Battle is going too far, with so little preparation, without effective weapons is appalling.

In instances I have read, the use of the word cannon fodder is not a term I would use. The Army Commanders would more than likely, disband or send those assembled home. However in some cases that was not possible. Fighting the Russians was a different matter. It appears by all accounts that the brutality of Russian retribution, was why the Volkssturm fought so desperately and so hard in the East. Küstrin, Kolberg, Breslau and Königsberg are battles you should read about if one wishes to gauge the effectiveness of the Volkssturm.

Yet with so many dead and no victory, what was achieved? Maybe buying time. Time to allow the civilian population to escape. One must also remember that these men and boys were now fighting for their homelands. The Volkssturm may have achieved greater effectiveness, under certain conditions however, Germany in 1945 was not in favorable condition to utilise, what good the Volkssturm could have afforded her. The end result was ultimate defeat, the conditions that the Volkssturm was created under, as well as the undertaking they were expected to achieve was beyond their capability. Like most things about the Third Reich, time was not on her side. Too little, too late or too much in a hurry to consolidate the effectiveness of the gains that was at Germany's disposal.

Most respectfully

Mark




Hi Mark...

Long time :) Hope you have been able to wrap up your project by now? Can we have some more instances which you may have come up with ..of VS actions in the East or the West? How did the ex WW I soldiers..say aged around 47 - 48 in 1945, fare ? They would have been 20 - 21 in 1917/18 .... meaning they would have had very useful combat experience in the trenches. Some may have had sturmtruppen / stosstruppe experience too.

Did the VS have section / platoon / company commanders who were ex WW I ? I have read of veteran VS officers in the east, from the first war.

Ciao

Sandeep

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Re: Performance of the Volkssturm?

Postby Germanicus » 17 Mar 2015, 17:48

Dear Sandeep I will address this shortly.

I have been absent from the forum for probably more than I hoped for as I have been in negotiations on behalf of my work place, in intense Government talks back here in Sydney and they are successfully coming to a conclusion soon. Once I am free I will attend reluctantly to this post. Why I say reluctantly is because it is hard to address this tragic episode / topic in a positive manner, without causing controversy of some sort.

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Mark

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Re: Performance of the Volkssturm?

Postby sandeepmukherjee196 » 17 Mar 2015, 18:55

Germanicus wrote:Dear Sandeep I will address this shortly.

I have been absent from the forum for probably more than I hoped for as I have been in negotiations on behalf of my work place, in intense Government talks back here in Sydney and they are successfully coming to a conclusion soon. Once I am free I will attend reluctantly to this post. Why I say reluctantly is because it is hard to address this tragic episode / topic in a positive manner, without causing controversy of some sort.

most respectfully

Mark



Thanks Mark..... :) :)


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