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[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 14ポイント15ポイント  (39子コメント)

What the fuck...?? This is really weird because flytape and JCP actually started a modmail conversation in /r/conspiracy the other day about "joining" the two subs in an effort to drive traffic. They even discussed adding flytape to the mod team of C_S_T. It seemed a little off but I didn't think much of it at the time, now I'm thinking that it's probably related.

[–]CelineHagbard[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

They even discussed adding flytape to the mod team

To the /r/C_S_T mod team?! That's fucked--I don't even think I've ever seen him participate there before today.

We should probably look into that ForciteKits website he was plugging. I wouldn't be surprised if JCP/Flytape are part of that company or getting some kind of a kickback.

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That website looks like something right out of the Alex Jones advertising playbook. This is... strange. To say the least. I can't really think of an innocent explanation.

[–]whipnil 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

He contributed here.

[–]CelineHagbard[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, it looks like you're right. My point is just that he's not been a major contributor to the sub, like all of the other mods had been. It just seems kinda of strange that JCP would add someone like that to the mod team, especially without consulting the rest of us.

[–]whipnil 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

He hasn't added him to the mod team though.

[–]CelineHagbard[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

True. I was referring to what Ambig was saying about him discussing it in /r/conspiracy mod mail. Maybe I'm just making too much of this.

[–]ColonelNormSanders 11ポイント12ポイント  (17子コメント)

Please for the love of Christ, don't let this happen. Flytape shouldn't even by a fucking mod HERE. I can't understand why you people have let him run his fucking mouth all this time. He's been removed THREE TIMES from THIS SUB as mod, not to mention the other controversial shit he's done. How can you possibly think it's a good idea to have him around?

in b4 Sovereign or one of those newbie mods deletes this for "rule 10" or maybe 4? how about 5? how about 2 now that i mentioned the rules at all? fuck this place.

[–]whipnil 5ポイント6ポイント  (15子コメント)

What can we do?

[–]ColonelNormSanders 6ポイント7ポイント  (14子コメント)

Nothing lol. The majority of the mods here are buddies that talk to each other daily. They aren't going to break up their little clique. Like I said, Flytape has been demodded multiple times for legitimate reasons and then reinstated by some miracle. Check out the threads about it if you can find them, users were FURIOUS, but nobody can do shit because mods = gods. This is "their" forum, NOT "ours." Their rules. Not ours.

[–]RMFN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its because FLYTAPE is a stormfag and so are most of the mods. They're fascists! Now my expectations of a slow stormfront infiltration has come true like WTF!

[–]whipnil 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

What other stuff have they stopped you talking about?

[–]bestnewsevah 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Try putting up a link in here to the youtube r/conspiracy podcast with Flytape in his bird suit.

That will get you banned immediately.

Double dog dare you.

[–]ruleten -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

George Zimmerman.

[–]whipnil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I see a number of posts about Zimmerman when I search through here. What's your gripe?

[–]whipnil 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I heard they ban people who share ae911 articles in here now.

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That isn't true, though personally I do think AE911Truth is controlled opposition. You can post away though if you'd like.

[–]carlitarias_fugarina 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I believe it has been proven that AE911 is indeed controlled opposition.

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Proven to some but not everyone interprets the evidence available in the same way. I do agree with you though, I'm pretty much convinced of it at this point personally.

[–]ColonelNormSanders 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I believe there is an automod set up to remove certain websites, but don't quote me on that because there's quite a few subs like that.

Not to mention that, despite being a CONSPIRACY sub, their filter is harsh on new accounts- and as someone who frequently makes new accounts, this is a pain so I don't even bother submitting here.

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

reddit itself removes certain websites - that's sitewide. We always approve any posts we see from banned domains and are one of the only subs that do so.

And the new account filter is only a couple of days to limit trolling, you would be amazed at how many people just create brand new accounts and shitpost.

[–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[M] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The automod only removes one site, worldnewsdailyreport.com, as every article from that publication is satire.

The automod also auto-approves a bunch of sites from the reddit-wide spam filter, such as infowars and approves comments from shadowbanned users who wish to continue using their account after being banned by the site-wide admins.

As to the new user account filter, it is an extremely low threshold that is primarily used to stop trolls from hate subreddits like TMOR and conspiritard from flooding the queue after a ban. There have been attempts to increase the age limit to 2 weeks+, but those have been rejected by the mod team.

With regards to ae911truth, although there has been some questionable behavior by that group in the past with regards to monetary conflict of interest and one of our former mods, no one has been banned for posting any content related to that group. In fact, many of the current mods are staunch defenders of that group and would be instantly made aware of any such actions.

Overall, the moderation philosophy of the subreddit is rooted in a respect for the organic curation of content and the free flow of information; although there has been some push back against this ethos as of late, the overwhelming majority of mods are here to ensure the subreddit is not ripped away from its roots.

[–]ruleten 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

LOOK AT MY USERNAME.

He banned me for a ruleten, after baiting me with an alt into low level discussion because he disagreed.

I literally created this username because what you say is true.

[–]funkyfaery 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

Can you show us a screenshot of said conversation please /u/Ambiguously_Ironic

Edit to add user name

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

It'll sound like a cop out but no I would rather not. I would need to get the rest of the mods' approval before doing something like that, everything said in mod mail is assumed to be private and amongst only the users involved.

[–]funkyfaery 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's reasonable. I was just looking for some solid proof.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts about JCP's post in CST. Did the post strike you as odd being that you're also a mod over there?

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's understandable, I would've had the same request if I was you - and in fact before I was a mod I often did ask for stuff like that.

As to the post, it was really weird because he signed it off as being from him "and the mods" and we had never reached a consensus for anything in the post and personally I'm just naturally opposed to marketing/advertising like that. And then there's been really no response from JCP at all since earlier this morning to any messages he's been sent or to this thread. It just strikes me as strange and I can't think of a rational or innocent explanation.

[–]funkyfaery 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Something's strange, that's all I know for certain.

The monetizing, calling for money and advertising, branding etc seems satirical. The post reads as incoherent to me.

Edit for spelling

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

The stranger part is the identical post flytape made, who I don't think has ever visited the sub before. The obvious implication really is that they're the same person using alts, and it begs the question of what else is that person involved with. Eventually both of those usernames will have to say something in acknowledgement, so far they both are silent - which in itself is a little fishy.

[–]ruleten 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Flytape stalked an old account (and many other peoples accounts in the past) simply for disagreeing with him on certain topics.

There is a long history on this user if you dig further. Can we please ask for both accounts in question to have their mod privileges revoked?

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's what we're looking into and discussing internally... so far neither has responded so we're waiting before taking next steps. It all does seem pretty damn suspicious though.

[–]funkyfaery 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're either both gonna show up yelling April fools or they have a lot of explaining to do.

My only other thought [or premise] is that this is an elaborate exercise related to this quote in the OP over at CST

"we will be undergoing some community building exercises as well as working on everyone’s networking skills to build up this community far quicker than anticipated"

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha well worst case scenario you and I have networked a bit. Seems like a pretty bad plan in that regard though...

[–]RMFN 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both posts totally deleted and then removed from the sub by JCP. This looks really bad...

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[–]towerseven 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

After checking out the evidence you included in this post, I think you're absolutely on to something.

It's kind of clever in a way, if you're not sloppy. However on Reddit's end I'm sure they'd be able to figure out who has which alt accounts (unless this person is using proxies but their sloppiness doesn't indicate that) so maybe contacting the mods would be the way to remedy this?

[–]Dude_wtf_seriously 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hope they show to explain. This is crazy.

[–]Putin_loves_cats 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your user name describes my thoughts about this.

[–]funkyfaery 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'd like to think you asked JCP yourself about this. It is quite odd indeed. Did the mods of CST agree collectively to what JCP is proposing in the post? Did you guys agree to shut things down until Monday at 8 am?

There's a phrase there at the end that another user says frequently verbatim. That was one of the things that caught my attention in the CST post initially.

Hopefully they'll both show up here to speak their parts.

[–]CelineHagbard[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I did PM him about it, but he hasn't gotten back to me. I would have like to at least hear his side of the story before taking this public, but I felt I couldn't wait any longer.

JCP didn't consult any of the other mods, as far as I know, about the CST proposal. I made a mod mail message about it, and he hasn't responded to that either.

Hopefully they'll both show up here to speak their parts.

I hope so to. I really want to be wrong on this.

[–]funkyfaery 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Might sound stupid, but are you sure it's not an April fools prank? Even though I don't see JCP writing a lot of the things that are written in that CST post. It's sorta all over the place lacking clarity in what the message is really about. The monetorizing thing and the self post rule is just quirky and questionable. Then it's signed JCP and the mod team.

Not being a long time participant in that sub, I do know that I found it strange that the other mods weren't in that thread commenting.

IDN, keep us posted if neither of them show up here or there.

[–]CelineHagbard[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

The rest of us were discussing it in mod mail pretty heavily, as we didn't really want to cause a stir in the sub if JCP could explain himself. The rest of us, or at least I, had nothing to do with it.

He's usually pretty good about including all of us and even the community on decisions like this.

[–]funkyfaery 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

All I'm noticing when skimming this subject intuitively is that the user who owns the website being promoted (-u-forcitekits) only just created his account and JCP is stating that they are a CSTer and how he's satisfied with their back-and-forths.

The only other thing that is catching my attention is that flytape mods a survival related sub.

That could be nothing at all or it might mean somethin.

I assumed the mods there were pretty tight and communicative. So it is surprising he'd sign it JCP and the mods if no communication had transpired.

Even the statement that the subreddit (CST) needs funding is discombobulating.

[–]sudo-tleilaxu 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, not addressing the April Fool's point and talking about "discussing it in modmail" seems like a thin attempt at deflection.

Maybe it just my own confirmation bias since the this submission screamed April Fools to me even before reading any of the comments.

[–]monkey-see-doggy-do 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eww, talk about split personality. Is it even possible to have him step down? I feel like this has been tried before but the cancer he created has metastasized.

Sticky this?

[–]redditeditard 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well that sub is dope. And I've never been a fan of Flytape.

[–]bush_did_9_II [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If my memory serves correctly, Flytape stickies posts to the top of /r/Conspiracy more than any other mod, and I can recall multiple times where the highest rated comments on those posts were opposed to the post and asking why it was stickied. I think it's because he gets butthurt about his posts not being upvoted naturally.

[–]redditeditard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There's far too many posts about his redditiquette, in far too many subs.

[–]Juan__Lennon 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Whoops. Smooth execution, it would seem.

Each of those characters plays their respective roles every well....until a fuck-up like this occurs. The evidence seems solid to my untrained eye.

[–]whipnil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

First the warrant canary, then this. What can we do?

[–]iguessss 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone who has been paying any attention has known that flytape is shady since the start.

[–]getityetquestionmark 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why did this get booted from the hot page?

[–]bestnewsevah 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Commenting to save the link to this thread after it gets removed.

3,2,1.....

[–]Ambiguously_Ironic 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well I don't know what's going on here so this won't be removed as long as I'm still a mod here.

[–]bestnewsevah 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Aaand it's gone -

(told ya so)

[–]funkyfaery 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's back again

[–]bestnewsevah 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seems to be. I consider the return to be temporary.

After all this thread has already made two trips to /r/uncensorship. There will be more.

[–]funkyfaery 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup. And if you scroll all the way to the bottom of this thread you'll see flytape commenting or talking about soup or somethin. And another conspiracy mod asking why he thinks this is funny etc etc

[–]zyklorpthehuman 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

So are you still a mod or what?

[–]gaslightlinux 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can find out a lot about a user by checking out the way they construct words and sentences. The UnABomber was caught due to a strange use of "Eat your cake and have it too."

I started by looking at both user names, arranging by top of all time (figured I'd look through their meatiest posts), and taking a look at what I came up with.

I found one immediate odd thing ...

The use of the phrase "any way" instead of "anyway."

Looked through the posts and both users use "any way" instead of "anyway."

I'm sure you can find a few more linguistics oddities if you look. It's really hard to cover up this kind of thing.

EDIT1: These might seem like small points, but together they add up to a user style. This is a linguistic fingerprint you can't mask. Here's the next two I found:

  • Both users use the "oxford comma"

  • Both users will often start a sentence with "And."

I'll let you know if I find more. So far they seem fairly similar to me, but nothing definitive. However, these small points start to add up.

EDIT2: http://snoopsnoo.com/ for both user names.

  • Accounts were created within 8 days of each other.

  • Both use the words "thing" "post" and "time" with unusual frequency.

  • 7096 vs 7905 unique words in vocabulary (a lot can be influenced by proper nouns posted on.)

EDIT3: There are a few other areas where I've found unusual words/phrasing that I'm looking into. I'll get back to you. Feel free to look through and tell me what you think. Anyone know of anything besides snoopsnoo for automating this? The few I've found don't work.

  • Both user frequently will have one or two word sentences that they apply both capitalization and punctuation to.

Meaning:

They won't say something like "sorry" instead it's "Sorry."

Neither of them do this 100% of the time, but both do it rather frequently.

EDIT4: This one seems unusual to me and pretty telling.

  • Unusual signoff. Both have ended posts with

something something, [jim|flytape]

examples (and each do this a few times):

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2k7xng/hi_im_richard_gage_founder_of_architects/clir1np

https://www.reddit.com/r/trendingsubreddits/comments/48f8ql/trending_subreddits_for_20160301_rdrumpf/d0jd15g

EDIT5: Ok, done for now.

I have come to a conclusion regarding these matters. However, I will give others time to put some research in via my methods or others. I don't want to poison others with my conclusion in case I am wrong.

However, I do believe I have definitive proof on whether or not these two users are the same.

I'll check back in a few hours.

[–]RMFN 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Now this is a good point!

[–]_Phone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A very very good point, or comma.

[–]ruleten 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Flytape bans a lot of users. Had a run in with him. Thank god for multiple accounts. Tried to point it out, info was surpressed. Trying again.

Please refer to rule ten.

Thank you.

[–]tazcatlipoca 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not surprised

[–]_Phone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't Flytape go all Trump lately? So there's motive.

[–]funkyfaery 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

/u/strokethekitty

/u/RMFN

/u/omenofdread

Have anything you'd like to add to this conversation?

[–]RMFN 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is the first I am seeing this.

[–]funkyfaery 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Figured as much. That's why I summoned the three of you.

[–]RMFN 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you think?

[–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

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    [–]captain_teeth33 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    After Brussels, it was clear by the top stickied post that this sub has been sold out.

    [–]carlitarias_fugarina 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    r/conspiracy is controlled opposition, i'd say most of the "users" work for DoD.

    [–]whipnil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm centerlink funded.

    [–]Juan__Lennon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There's something wrong now with anti-conspiracy /r/conspiracy mods?

    [–]cawclot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You know what would be a great April fools prank to pull on /r/conspiracy? Make everyone think there is a conspiracy behind the scenes of the subreddit.

    [–]getityetquestionmark 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You know, there was another mod that was once here and did something similar. Spent a lot of time talking to alts of themselves. This all looks and seems familiar. If I recall, fly tape was a mod at the time and was advocating for the guy to stay... I can't remember though. I'm sure others can remember. Wasn't so far in the past.

    [–]Rockran 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Is it still April fools in America?

    [–]ragecry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Every day is April Fools in America. All we do is false flags.

    [–]JamesColesPardon -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

    What is this shit all about?

    I make a post and head to dinner with the wife and kid after a long week and some heartfelt thanks to the whole community and I get bullshit shill accusations?

    I expected this from the undelete folks but not from my own team. Keep thtlat shit in house - Celine. And you were one of my favorite new additions, man.

    Thanks for the courtesy.

    [–]zyklorpthehuman 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    These are pretty serious accusations, do you have any explanation? Is this a giant misunderstanding?

    It's not personal and Celine doesn't deserve to be condoned for looking out for the community.

    [–]JamesColesPardon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I haven't even had time to look at the archived stuff. I'm going to need a few to figure out what the fuck is going on here.

    And I'm already at the pub.

    [–]_Phone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Oh dear me, at the pub with FAMILY!

    Now, while you are doing that, allegedly, Flytape never posted on reddit.

    Like i said before: timing.

    [–]funkyfaery [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I haven't seen anyone say that you're a shill Jim. This entire thing is getting stranger and stranger though.

    All I want to know is what do you think of the wayback archive picture Celine linked above that shows flytape posted to CST signing the post as Jim and the mods?

    [–]Tatertotdt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    You and flytape both had your first comment within a couple of minutes on this thread

    [–]RMFN 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    [–]JamesColesPardon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    What are you /u/BattyKoda 's alt or something? I explained that thread already a week ago.

    [–]RMFN [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    HAHAHAHA accusing me of using alts! I always knew you were sympathetic to the fascist delusion but I had no idea you were the HEAD STORMFAG!

    [–]JamesColesPardon[M] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    HAHAHAHA accusing me of using alts! I always knew you were sympathetic to the fascist delusion but I had no idea you were the HEAD STORMFAG!

    Removed. Rule 10.

    [–]Dude_wtf_seriously -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

    After much thought I've come to the conclusion that this was a well planned april fools prank. Ill bet money =)

    [–]zyklorpthehuman 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    A strangely unfunny and divisive prank if that's the case.

    [–]Dude_wtf_seriously [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Aka a perfectly planned one =)

    [–]zyklorpthehuman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    'Let's discredit ourselves and make our subs look compromised!'

    Am I missing the punchline? Hoping you're right though.

    [–]Putin_loves_cats 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    After thinking about it, I think it's that and there is more to it.

    [–]LordMandrake_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    JamesColepardon is a valuable member of both conspiracy and CTS and a genuinely good person. I've never met the dude but I'd vouce for him any day. I don't know much about fly tape, but whoever they are they've been cool with me. They've been a mod since before I started coming to this website regularly.

    So, what's the big deal?

    Even if they are the same person that doesn't mean that they've been conning us or whatever.

    [–]RMFN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    The big deal is Flytape is a huge stormfag! He's a fascist! Now if JCP is fly that means we have all been led along by a literal Nazi this entire time.

    [–]yellowsnow2 -6ポイント-5ポイント  (12子コメント)

    For anyone that hasn't been here for years

    Every 6 months or so a team of non-community outsiders try to turn r/conspiracy against Flytape. And usually their "evidence" turns out to be a load of BS to divide and conquer the sub.

    And here we go again on April first. I don't care enough to look into it, but this happens like every 6 months.

    If you don't believe me stop down voting and use the search function

    [–]RMFN 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    [–]yellowsnow2 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The first link is deleted and the second link I read all of and don't see anything relevant in it. But I have no idea what CST is about or any drama happening there.

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    [–]RMFN 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Flytape has always been a stormfag and everyone knows it!

    [–]Flytape -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    <3

    [–]zyklorpthehuman 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Seriously? No word for hours and now you're just going to play the victim card?

    The evidence is plain to see and originated from YOU.

    [–]Flytape -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I was just spreading some love, <3

    [–]zyklorpthehuman 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    "Spreading love" more like "Spreading the community"

    Is yellowsnow one of you're other alts?

    Why'd you remove OP's post? It get a little too truthy for you?