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[–]YesheLama 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Birth and death happen upon the mind-stream or consciousness, so it's not that easy.

[–]Sudden_RelapseLaughing 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had the same feelings about Kate Perry. But it was only a fantasy.

[–]krodha 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is called "annihilationism" [uccedavāda].

[–]Rks1157Theravāda / Saddhānusāri 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Nirvana/Nibbāna is deathless. What you described is called annihilationism (the mind, soul, self and suffering are destroyed at death) It is one of the two extreme views that the Buddha rejected (the other being eternalism, the mind, soul, self lives on forever). The Dhamma is the middle way between them.

[–]Peap9326happy[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why did he reject it, besides it being against the Dhamma?

[–]Rks1157Theravāda / Saddhānusāri 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

He rejected these views because the each require a soul, inner-core or self which he knew from his own experience does not exist.

[–]Peap9326happy[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ok, thanks. I'm sorry.

[–]Rks1157Theravāda / Saddhānusāri 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry for what? Did you kick my cat?

[–]Peap9326happy[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I just wanted to show my respect, and I didn't know how else to do it. I appreciate your response.

[–]TibetanBookOfNappingscientific 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's not.

Nibbana is something to be apprehended by consciousness; death, by definition, is the cessation of consciousness. By saying death is Nibbana is like saying "no head, no headache." Well, fine, but what's the point then? It's a non-starter when it comes to life as it is actually lived, and that is what matters.

This is the Third Truth given in the First Sermon by the Buddha:

Now this, bhikkhus, for the spiritually ennobled ones, is the pain-ceasing true reality. [Nibbana] is the remainderless fading away and cessation of that same craving, the giving up and relinquishing of it, freedom from it, non-reliance on it.

--SN 56.11 (http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn56/sn56.011.harv.html)

It says nothing about being "free from suffering." This is a common misconception about what Buddhism says.

Nibbana is about living a life in such a way that you do not feel the need to act on your desires. The Buddha still suffered, and the Buddha still had desires (he was visited by Mara up until his death). As we see from the First Truth in the same sutta,

Now this, bhikkhus, for the spiritually ennobled ones, is the true reality which is pain: birth is painful, aging is painful, illness is painful, death is painful; sorrow, lamentation, physical pain, unhappiness and distress are painful; union with what is disliked is painful; separation from what is liked is painful; not to get what one wants is painful; in brief, the five bundles of grasping-fuel are painful.

--SN 56.11

Suffering is a fact of life, and it's true that death is the end of suffering for an individual consciousness (if you don't believe in literal rebirth), but it is most certainly NOT Nibbana.

What you're suggesting may be found in some schools of thought, but certainly not in Buddhism.

[–]AnarquistaLibretheravada 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

I see your flair says scientific. When you say the Buddha was visited by Mara, is it a literal being or some metaphorical thing? Just curious, because there's really no scientific evidence for some of the claims in Buddhism.

[–]TibetanBookOfNappingscientific 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah good question. It's entirely metaphor for me, I could have said "desire" or "craving" instead of Mara, but I think that using the language of the Pali Canon is useful when discussing its content. And despite being mostly secular I definitely realize the efficacy of myth and poetic language when it comes to religious ideas (if I didn't I probably wouldn't be Buddhist).

[–]AnarquistaLibretheravada 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hmm now this is interesting to me. I myself am drawn to Thai Forest and Zen because they both seem more rational to me and less about religious superstition. What do you think about rebirth or when the Buddha talked about things like levitating or recalling past lives?

[–]AJungianIdealBig Fan Here 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why do you feel the need to call an idea you disagree with superstition?

[–]AnarquistaLibretheravada 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't, there are plenty of ideas I disagree with that aren't superstitious.

[–]fixthefernback88non-affiliated 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this was the case then the First Precept wouldn't be.