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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 344ポイント345ポイント  (46子コメント)

A lot of dudes don't understand AWALT because they haven't had many if ANY serious relationships. I'll listen to a player when it comes to hooking up, but the dude knows fuck all about female psychology beyond the attraction stage and so he's not really qualified to understand AWALT outside a seduction context.

A dude that's been in an LTR with one chick for 5 years knows more about women than a guy who's been hooking up with chicks and briefly plating for 5 years. The latter has mastered seduction, the prior actually knows more about the nature of what he's dealing with beyond the initial bedding stage because he's around for the bad and not just the good.

I find dudes who don't commit and just have short flings all the time have a very rosy-perception of women because they've got their game down enough not to face that much bullshit when it comes to getting laid, and beyond that they're not subject to any of the relationship bullshit. So they enjoy the best of what women have to offer without being subject to any of the bullshit and this gives them a hugely positive bias, as if men aren't wired to pedestalise pussy anyway. They go around thinking "hey women are great, I love fucking em and flirting with em, those dudes saying AWALT on TRP are just bitter."

Maybe some dudes are bitter, bitter doesn't mean wrong.

If you put "all" in front of anything, you're wrong, there is going to be an exception somewhere, but the exception proves the rule.

AWALT is a quick way of saying a lot in a few words:

  • 99.9% of women 99.9% of the time prefer emotion to logic
  • 99.9% of women 99.9% of the time will betray you for a better option, loyal only to power
  • 99.9% of women 99.9% of the time have very little emotional self-control
  • 99.9% of women 99.9% of the time behave like children

No that list isn't exhaustive. And just because a chick doesn't betray you one time, or doesn't get overly emotional over nothing one time - doesn't mean she doesn't have a propensity to do this most of the time. If you literally hand pick a girl's best moments, you can disprove every fundamental of AWALT - but that's not intellectually honest nor representative. AWALT is imperfect, but it is representative.

Just because you're designed to put women on a pedestal and see them as greater than they are due to your biological imperative to fuck them, doesn't mean they aren't any of these things.

If you knew a dude who were these things, you'd hate him, cuss him out and mock him. But women get a free pass for commonly exhibiting traits we collectively hate. Why? We're literally hard-wired to give bitches a free pass and overlook their flaws. No matter how shitty women are, dudes just want to enjoy them, they JUST want to be happy, so they deny certain truths or EXEMPT one particular woman they wish to enjoy in order to facilitate this desire.

This is why people hate AWALT even if they know in their heart of hearts its absolutely fundamentally true. Instinct obscures truth when it comes to the study of women, men are overridden by idealism, lust and paternalism and feel if they accept the nature of women that they have to hate them as a result and then they won't be able to enjoy them. Not true at all, sometimes you just have to accept reality is not what you want it to be, that women are not angelic like you were taught they were, but in fact far more flawed than even you.

Then in spite of this knowledge, you have to make a commitment to your own happiness and make the best out of the flawed creatures that are women. AWALT means: hey, women possess a bunch of shitty traits we hate that vary only by degree rather than presence among women, but now you have to enjoy them in spite of this!

I know that isn't easy, I know it's hard, and I know the knowledge is painful - that's why dudes struggle with this. But your struggle doesn't alter her nature, you can sit on reddit until you pass out debating pedantic little points in regard to AWALT, but AWALT will remain a truism that persists.

On the topic of enjoying things that are fucked up, I know my tuna is polluted with mercury because these fucking third world countries dump all their factory waste into the ocean, yet I still enjoy my tuna. Not quite the same I know, but it's an example that something can be far from perfect yet still provide happiness. Ultimately the reason dudes are resistant to AWALT is because they see it as a threat to their happiness.

The inability to grasp and ACCEPT AWALT, instead choosing to REJECT AWALT out of autistic pedanticism is no more than a sign that the person in question has to lie about the nature of women to themselves in order to like and enjoy them. They are not at the stage where they can enjoy women WHILST ACCEPTING HOW FLAWED AND FUCKED UP THEY ARE.

If you don't think women are fucked up because your perception is clouded by idealism, you're not red pill. Likewise if you think you're going to be happy without any women in your life, chances are you won't be - at least not if you're family orientated. Love 'em or hate 'em, ya need 'em - and they need you even more.

It honestly bewilders me how autistic and retarded some people are as to take the word ALWAYS, miss the forest for the trees and fucking run with it.

Any time I've popped my head in purplepilldebate for a quick minute I've seen constant bickering over this.

How hard is it to understand?

AWALT is saying "women will be women, and this is what women are like."

Sometimes you will be surprised, but you shouldn't live like you expect to be surprised, you should live being aware of the nature of the creature you're dealing with. AWALT is a heuristic, an extremely accurate one at that, you can live by it and have a great life. You don't need to be right 100% of the time to enjoy life, being right the majority of the time is just as effective. You know what is less effective? constantly convincing yourself you're in possession of a woman who is part of the negligible .01% and that these are the only women you can give yourself permission to love. This is a recipe for misery!

Sometimes a women apologises to me and admits she is wrong for something she said or did, when this happens I am pleasantly surprised but this doesn't mean "oh, looks like this woman isn't part of the 99.9% of women who won't take responsibility for anything!" because most of the time, SHE DOES blame shift. The .1% of the women are those who, in this one particular facet RARELY BLAME SHIFT. And even if a woman is part of the .1% in that one aspect, she may be part of the 99.9% in all the other aspects, such as little emotional self-control, disloyal etc.

AWALT is immutable, I think most guys simply can't and don't want to accept it, somewhere in the back of their head they want to think their unicorn is out there, that they'll find a chick who is in the .1% of all the qualities we despise in women, lock her down and not have her leave. It's fucking bullshit.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 44ポイント45ポイント  (16子コメント)

miss the forest for the trees and fucking run with it.

Any time I've popped my head in purplepilldebate for a quick minute I've seen constant bickering over this.

I've observed this as well outside of this sub. I think it's the stem of all the misconceptions about TRP. People instantly jump to the conclusion that because we say AWALT that we are absolutists preaching dogma about all the ways women are "evil". They take no time to understand the context of AWALT and use flawed logic like "I know a girl who isn't like that, those RPs are delusional". The outliers do not represent the majority. BPs seem more concerned with the semantics of RP theory than the actual content behind it.

[–]BuddhistSC 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not gonna lie, I assume any time anyone makes a universal statement about anything a posteriori, I assume they're an idiot. You see feminists do it all the time. "Average woman" means "All women" to them. "Average woman makes less than the average man, therefore any given woman would make less than a man at the same job." You can't take empirical evidence and draw a universal conclusion from it, that's logically invalid.

The "all guns are loaded" analogy, though, makes a lot of sense. It's not about making a logically valid conclusion, it's about being safe at no additional cost to yourself. If you always assume a gun is loaded until you've seen it unloaded and the chamber checked, then you're not at risk of someone getting shot, and you lose nothing. (PS: What OP said about it not mattering if you personally unloaded it is wrong. If that were the case, you'd never be able to clean a gun. You only assume a gun is loaded until you've seen the empty chamber.) If you assume any given woman you meet fits the negative criteria, you're protecting yourself without costing yourself or anyone anything.

But again, this assumes it's at no additional cost, and it also assumes that once you've seen that "the chamber is empty", you start treating the "gun as unloaded", otherwise you're going to miss out on a lot of opportunities.

[–]Modredpillschool 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you always assume a gun is loaded until you've seen it unloaded and the chamber checked, then you're not at risk of someone getting shot,

And even then, you still don't point it at anybody you're not looking to kill.

[–]Special Olympianmakethemsayayy 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

PPD always involves them arguing over some retarded semantic because they really have no argument to their bullshit.

"Like you said AWALT, but what about mtf transgenders?"

[–]stonepimpletilists 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Whenever i get a contrary opinion to mine, and I see PPD in their history, conversation over.

I have no time to hear someone enjoy the sound of his own voice, I got a life to improve here

[–]Special Olympianmakethemsayayy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like they can't contradict themselves so they've said things like:

nobody really fears murder!

(because women fear rape, because we should all lose rights because women are irrationally scared of rape.)

[–]1clownShoe 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

The use of anecdotes to attempt to debunk scientific theories (or even philosophical) is a practice of the dimwitted.

[–]BuddhistSC 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anecdotes can debunk philosophical theories if they are actually relevant (which is usually the issue). You can even debunk scientific theories with anecdotes, depending on the theory. The thing you can't debunk is statistics.

[–]systemshock869 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

BPs seem more concerned with the semantics of RP theory than the actual content behind it.

I've also found this to be the case with most proponents of the blue flavor of politics (USA) that I have tried to discuss non-Progressive solutions with. Basically, if someone has already made their mind up to disagree with you or the side of the fence you're coming from, but don't have any actual theory or logic to debate you with, they shut down common intuition and condescendingly pick apart your wording in order to be able to respond while still appearing knowledgeable/intellectually superior/whatever. It's frustrating how many people aren't conscious enough to be able to recognize this and back you up when they see it happening. So instead of wasting 30 minutes defending my statements (losing frame) to mindless nitpicking, I've learned to just disengage.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not saying either of you are wrong. But, is .1% just trying to prove a point? Or does he/trp actually believe that it's .1%? I'm just wondering I dunno seems a little extreme to me

[–]Casanova-Quinn 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Speaking only for myself, I think it's more so to prove the point; quantifying it with exact numbers is a bit silly. What's important is to assume AWALT and remain skeptical.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can agree with that. Guilty until proven innocent.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

People also do not understand the full implications of women's dualistic nature. They do not extend AF/BB to it's logical conclusion which is that women behave and come across completely different when they are with alphas versus betas. She is literally a different person when she's with her beta fiance than she is when she's at DJ tiesto's backstage party. If you've ever been with a girl who seems nice and caring and flirty and sweet when she's with you, but is a completely twisted bitch to her BF or her beta orbiter, you've experienced this dualism.

She is a loyal, dick-draining, motivated, supportive, non-nagging person WHEN she is with someone who is cleanly head and shoulders above her in value. When she starts to think she can do better, when that guy goes fat and soft, her character degrades and this "unicorn" with wonderful qualities starts to degrade too. She's going to then behave like AWALT.

All women who seemingly beat the "AWALT" rule and are wonderful, supporting, loyal, and so and so... they are only like that because of the guy they are with. With a beta guy, their disdain will come out. Despite their best intentions, their contempt will corrupt their behavior and they will start to shit test incessantly, look for opportunities to branch swing, and get lazy themselves with fitness & diet.

The women who seem perfect... they are made by the men they are with. I have what I consider to be as close to a unicorn that a non-celebrity guy can get... but if I degrade my own value and become a beta in her eyes, her dualistic nature WILL make her seek a branch to swing on. She'll gain weight, she'll nag, she'll cheat, she'll rationalize it as my fault.

AWALT to me means women are as good as they have to be, no more than that. If she needs to maintain her fitness and feminity and make-up game and cooking and cleaning to keep her higher SMV BF, she will and will seem like a real prize. But the minute that dread is gone and she feels that she can relax into being an average woman, she will, and when that happens, it's a matter of time before her "AWALT" traits come out.

[–]setzer_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

absolutely bang on. great post.

[–]through_a_ways 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Instinct obscures truth when it comes to the study of women, men are overridden by idealism, lust and paternalism and feel if they accept the nature of women

In other words, emotion overrides logic, even in the minds of men.

The only difference is that many men are lucid enough to acknowledge their biologically derived double standards, and are emotionally strong enough to embrace the hypocrisy of their actions. Women, almost without exception, are not.

[–]1spicy_fries 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

This and OP's post needs to be sidebarred asap. There is nothing for bluepills to debate here... we just point them to this post.

[–]pheluhnee 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well put. You put into as few words as possible both the best possible definition of what AWALT is, as well as a very common misinterpretation of AWALT.

The goal isn't to find the .1% woman in all 3 qualities. The goal is to love them regardless. Accepting these flaws of women and learning to enjoy and coexist with them is the beautiful, and seldom understood, part of RP.

your struggle [to understand awalt] doesn't alter her nature

No TRP post would be complete without comparing women to other favorite companions, dogs. We don't really get mad at a dog when it wants to eat our steak, drool on us, or do any other annoying dog things. Even when a dog goes wild and bites a kid, we don't viscerally hate it. We may even put it down, but we don't hate it.

When women replace reason with feelings and end up making things more complicated than they need to be, we cannot hate them for it. We cannot mind their indecisiveness, pettiness, or seemingly endless amount of energy and patience for useless things.

And just like the dog, when the relationship ends, we must not hate them for it.

[–]alanthemanofchicago 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, this reminds me of that bear getting put down in Yosemite (I think, might be wrong about the place) because it attacked a kid. Uhh no shit, the bear attacked the kid because he's a fuckin bear, and besides Yosemite is his house. You're coming into his house, you should know what's up.

Can't really blame the bear.

[–]thefisherman1961 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

AWALT is immutable, I think most guys simply can't and don't want to accept it, somewhere in the back of their head they want to think their unicorn is out there, that they'll find a chick who is in the .1% of all the qualities we despise in women, lock her down and not have her leave.

Then you develop oneitis and she senses it, and begins to subconsciously resent you because of your beta behavior. Denying AWALT is a losing situation.

[–]alanthemanofchicago 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. You can deny AWALT (and, by proxy, TRP) and you'll be happy for awhile until shit falls apart because you've gone beta. Or, you can accept AWALT (It's a tough process, no doubt) and experience the kind of happiness that only comes with true understanding.

[–]Smitty6 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Likewise if you think you're going to be happy without any women in your life, chances are you won't be - at least not if you're family orientated. Love 'em or hate 'em, ya need 'em - and they need you even more.

Agree with everything you said until this. I disagree that I need them to be happy. I don't need anything except what sustains my survival. Saying you need women to be happy to me is still being plugged in a bit. You don't. Society says you do, but you don't. You really don't.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

99.9% of women 99.9% of the time will betray you for a better option, loyal only to power

Emphasis added, POWER. Money in and of itself, or being ripped in and of itself while giving you some power is not the nature of the true power most women crave. You have to keep your A game up and remember AWALT.

Look at that whole Dan Berzian , Ryan DeLuca situation. Ryans slut wife banged Dan because is at least as fit, he has more money but he has what women perceive as power because of his massive Social media following. AWALT, even if you look like Arnold from the 80's and hold perfect frame, she will fucking Arnold V2 in a heartbeat if he has 200,000 Instagram followers and you have like 2.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I make edm. Do you think it's a good idea to use my edm insta as my main insta and delete my old one? Or should I have a personalized one too?

[–]Questionablechoice 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The simple answer is whatever makes you the most success.

Everyone "hates" Nickleback but they are successful as fuck and don't give a shit about "public opinion" because the vocal minority doesn't give them money anyway.

Is Mastodon a better band? Yes

Do they make as much money? Hell No

You gauge your success however you want but in the end what matter in any showmanship business is fans, money and notoriety. Everyone is a sell out which is the whole point of preforming.

[–]theoctopuss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only reason you should use social media as a producer is to advertise your music. itherwise, leave that shit to the women.

[–]FeeFeeFeaster 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

... women possess a bunch of shitty traits we hate that vary only by degree rather than presence among women, but now you have to enjoy them in spite of this!

I do enjoy having sex with women in spite of that. But that's where it stops.

[–]PM_Me_Yo_Tits_Grrl 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

women possess a bunch of shitty traits we hate that vary only by degree rather than presence among women, but now you have to enjoy them in spite of this!

The Way of the Superior Man helped me to figure that one out. Great.

I should re-read that.

[–]PillersOfTheEarth 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This has become one of my favorite comments/responses by you yet, mate. Cheers.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

AWALT is immutable, I think most guys simply can't and don't want to accept it, somewhere in the back of their head they want to think their unicorn is out there, that they'll find a chick who is in the .1% of all the qualities we despise in women, lock her down and not have her leave. It's fucking bullshit.

TRP aside, NAWALT & other delusions arise from peoples' inability to see: the core "points" of TRP are self-evident once the purpose of humanity (and most dual gender species) having genders is clearly recognized and understood.

Women build human beings - deception, manipulation, malice and other similar traits are their evolved adoptions to build and raise (to a biologically self-sufficient age) humans in any environment, no matter how harsh it may be.

Men build civilization - trust, camaraderie, honor and other similar virtues are our evolved adoptions to build & raise, much like a child, a society that will always outperform a prisoner's dilemma, every man for himself type wasteland.

As a bonus, we eventually crush the wasteland, killing off the 90% "alpha" society & fucking their women, who are all the happier to successfully reproduce with their offspring enjoying a higher standard of living than they could imagine.

People forget that the vast majority of humanity's time has been spent in strife and a lot of our baseline adoptions for when natural selection was constantly happening all around us are alive and well in most people of both genders - it's why the vast majority of human beings are such trash in today's world - their instincts evolved for one without such abundance and they lack the conscious capacity to override that and re-adjust their behavior to fit the current one.

[–]1Popeman79 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was better than OP's post

[–]LukesLikeIt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

AWALT means: hey, women possess a bunch of shitty traits we hate that vary only by degree rather than presence among women, but now you have to enjoy them in spite of this!

This was a good explanation.

[–]stonepimpletilists 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

AWALT = trust, but verify.

the ruskies dismantled the nukes, so proud of them. still send inspectors over, because fuck are you stupid if you dont

[–]dsade -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you knew a dude who were these things, you'd hate him, cuss him out and mock him. But women get a free pass for commonly exhibiting traits we collectively hate"

Only if you're an insecure dick. Don't worry about other dudes' lives, just worry about yourself and your own traits.

[–]enkae7317 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Da fuq is this post longer than the OP?