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[–]squatdog_nz -32ポイント-31ポイント  (89子コメント)

"“Very good question. I describe myself as a liberal feminist. I definitely think we live in a system of patriarchy."

Oh dear.

This is the key tenet of radical Third Wave (or Intersectional) Feminism and what he is referring to is specifically the WHITE-SUPREMACIST CAPITALIST PATRIARCHY, which is apparently a system of oppression designed to brutally repress anyone who isn't a White Cis-Het Male. The ultimate goal of Intersectional Feminism ISN'T equality, it's literally to SMASH THE PATRIARCHY via the introduction of Marxism. Seriously.

Effectively, it's a supremacist hate movement and has about as much in common with traditional Equality Feminism as the Westboro Baptist Church has to do with Christianity.

[–]Sam burgess Circle Jerk Modjohn2034 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Give liberal feminism a chance. #whycantwebefriends

[–]UlsterSwisskies 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You went full reddit,

Never go full reddit

[–]The British and Irish LionsHitchhikingtom 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Back off to /r/tumblrinaction with you. try and realize that not everything that mentions the patriarchy is balls to the wall (or lady equivalent) crazy man hating. Tumblr is a cesspool when it comes to feminism but most people still recognize that feminism is an important cause and fights for equality not superiority.

[–]Glasgow Warriorsgordo_099 18ポイント19ポイント  (32子コメント)

Man describes himself as liberal feminist meaning redditor decides he is a member of some sort of weird capitalised feminist illuminati..

wat

[–]Lapsed fullbackthemcrookedwombles 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Let me guess, it's about ethics in rugby journalism?

Prick.

[–]squatdog_nz -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

[–]Lapsed fullbackthemcrookedwombles 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm a white middle class Englishman in a white collar professional career- I'm about as establishment as it gets, mate. Still a feminist though.

[–]Fullbackcatterseahogsdome 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

How tragic that someone saying they are feminist provokes this sort of reaction. I've really enjoyed everything i've read from bell hooks by the eay.

[–]squatdog_nz -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well there's your problem.

So you agree with (B)ell (H)ooks that the White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy is a system of oppression that needs to be overthrown and the free market economy replaced with Marxism?

[–]NOT ENGLAND Leins-tahsglashgkullthethird 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, Marxism for life. Liberate the proletariat by giving them control of the means of production and let them democratically run it.

[–]London Waspsincept_this 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bore off dry-dick.

[–]Down with PATRIARCHYHashtagAnyoneButENG 1ポイント2ポイント  (22子コメント)

This is the key tenet of radical Third Wave (or Intersectional) Feminism

What tenet are you referring to exactly?

[–]squatdog_nz -2ポイント-1ポイント  (21子コメント)

That the White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy is a system of oppression designed to oppress anyone who isn't a White Cis-Het Male. Everyone else lives within the Kyriarchy (effectively the Oppression Olympics), with enormous emphasis on Identity Politics to determine who has the most oppression points.

As per the teachings of Commissar Bell Hooks.

Here's a good run-down by a bonkers radical feminist blog: http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/04/kyriarchy-101/

[–]Down with PATRIARCHYHashtagAnyoneButENG 3ポイント4ポイント  (20子コメント)

Sorry I'll be clearer. Exactly what did Itoje say that makes you think he believes in what you are saying he believes. I see nothing in the sentence that you referenced that suggests he believes what you are accusing him of.

"I describe myself as a liberal feminist. I definitely think we live in a system of patriarchy"

Nothing in that sentence can rationally lead one to think he's a radical feminist. You've jumped the gun. Like 20 guns.

[–]squatdog_nz -1ポイント0ポイント  (19子コメント)

Once again, The Patriarchy (or more specifically the White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy) is the sole preserve of radical Third Wave Feminism.

It's like someone casually mentioning that they believe in National Socialism or Eugenics.

[–]Down with PATRIARCHYHashtagAnyoneButENG 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

So you've drawn this bizarre conclusion based on the word patriarchy"?!

You've even drawn the difference yourself between the word patriarchy v White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy though! Your conflation over a simple sentence is troubling and I believe more revealing of you than anyone or anything else here.

It's like someone casually mentioning that they believe in National Socialism or Eugenics.

No it's not. It's actually like someone saying they believe in a fair and equitable society and you accuse them of being Pol Pot.

[–]squatdog_nz -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ugh...ONCE AGAIN, the concept of 'The Patriarchy' is entirely unique to radical Third Wave Feminism.

How many times must I painstakingly explain this to you?

[–]Down with PATRIARCHYHashtagAnyoneButENG 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well at least you're not irrational and panicking about this.

[–]JuicyEmmental 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

No it isn't. You can't tell people what they do or don't believe.

[–]squatdog_nz -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

Here's a great article by a COMPLETELY bonkers radical feminist in which they explicitly state that the objective is to smash The Patriarchy and that traditional Choice Feminists are enemies of the revolution:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/23/threat-feminism-patriarchy-male-supremacy-dating-makeup

The best part? THIS IS WHAT THE AUTHOR LOOKS LIKE!

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71flg0R523L._UY200_.jpg

LOL!

[–]JuicyEmmental 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree she seems mental, but surely it's as unfair to feminists to portray them all like a few crazy ones as it is to equate all Christians to the Westboro baptist church. I've never met anyone in real life who has the views of that person you've linked to, she probably needs some help, but I've met plenty of feminists who have totally reasonable views.

[–]squatdog_nz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem is that the 'crazy ones' have become a major power bloc in modern feminism and (as you can see in the article) actively bully feminists who don't conform to the hivemind.

[–]JuicyEmmental 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think from the outside that's exactly what it looks like. The guardian loves to post click bait rubbish and its this loud minority who manage to get a lot of attention.

[–]EnglandThe_Kwyjibo 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

If we are to correct our unbalanced world, then we need to get rid of patriarchy as a system of social governance. By patriarchy, I mean male supremacy; I mean a society where every avenue of power – especially mainstream institutions of power – is overwhelmingly dominated by men.

That doesn't mention "smashing" the patriarchy, there is nothing inherently violent about the statement.

Do you think that the global system works fine with men dominating business and politics?

[–]squatdog_nz 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

You appear to have missed this part:

"But this power structure is cracked, it always has been; that’s why it has to be constantly propped up through force, violence and the threat of violence. This ancient imbalance has brought us to the brink of planetary crisis, it has ripped out chasms between countries and people. The situation is not natural; we cannot possibly look at things as they are and say so it was meant to be. We should try to change it however we can, and that’s where feminism comes in."

[–]EnglandThe_Kwyjibo 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

You appear to have comprehension issues. It still doesn't mention smashing it, it says trying to change it. The only violent message is that the current system is using force to keep it's power.

And I'll rephrase my question which you ignored. Do you think the world as it is, is perfectly fair for everyone?

[–]D-Hex 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

I believe Maro Itoje goes to SOAS. A SOAS Grad will destroy you when it comes to his understanding of feminism. Give up and go hone.

[–]squatdog_nz -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA!!!

So he IS a university student who has been brainwashed in some Gender Studies derivative?

I called it.

[–]D-Hex 6ポイント7ポイント  (13子コメント)

It's called an education. Try it.

[–]squatdog_nz -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

A degree in Gender Studies?

LOL!

[–]NOT ENGLAND Leins-tahsglashgkullthethird 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

SOAS don't do gender studies at undergrad level. If you read the article, he's studying politics. It's called understanding things more than 'hurr durr cultural Marxists are ruining my precious western society PATRAIRCHY'. Cultural Marxism doesn't even exist.

[–]squatdog_nz -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Cultural-Marxism-Postwar-Britain-Post-Contemporary/dp/0822319144/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1459502651&sr=1-4&keywords=cultural+marxism

Helpful hint: The Wikipedia entry on Cultural Marxism was deleted and replaced by a passing reference to it as a 'Rightwing Conspiracy Theory by' a SELF DESCRIBED CULTURAL MARXIST:

https://archive.is/0L5wt#selection-3597.0-3597.52

[–]NOT ENGLAND Leins-tahsglashgkullthethird 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fuck off, mate. I'm a Marxist. No respected Marxist has ever written anything about 'Cultural Marxism'. It is a conspiracy theory, using 'Marxism' as a buzzword. Marxism is a political and economic theory based on dialectical and historical materialism. The 'cultural' bit doesn't even fall into that section.

[–]squatdog_nz -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

What do you think about the Frankfurt School attempting to apply Marxism to potatoes and lawn furniture under the auspice of 'Critical Theory'?

[–]NOT ENGLAND Leins-tahsglashgkullthethird 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The guys in the Frankfurt School weren't Marxists. They were applying Marxist thinking - it's everywhere, really - but they're still not Marxists, since they weren't advocating for the communisation of agriculture and industry under the dictatorship of the proletariat, as opposed to the private ownership of the means of production governed by the dictatorship of capital/bourgeoisie.

[–]We're not sleeping giantssavardfaire 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

A degree in Gender Studies? LOL!

Must suck to know that the kid makes more money than you, is more successful than you at your favourite sport, and is more educated to boot.

[–]squatdog_nz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

WTF are you even talking about???

[–]D-Hex 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

i think he's doing Politics as a general subject, which includes both an understanding of critical feminist theory and the criticisms of it.

SOAS is an elite University one of the best in the world at what it does. It shares a curriculum with mine, in which we present the learning to the students in the form of readings lists, encourage them to read widely, challenge them by providing a proper critique of their arguments ( not that mind numbing crap you spew out along with other MRAs ) and then tell them to defend them.

And what's wrong with studying gender? The world of humanity has major divisions according to gender, which effects everything fro the way you wear your clothes to the way you pronounce your words. Why should it not be studied?

[–]squatdog_nz -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

MRA??? LOL!

You're conforming to type by assigning labels to anyone who doesn't conform to the hivemind.

How, pray tell, am I a 'Men's Rights Advocate'?

[–]D-Hex 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're conforming to type by assigning labels to anyone who doesn't conform to the hivemind.

Says the man regurgitating terms like "Hive Mind". I really can't be bothered interacting with you mate. Enjoy the Rugby.

[–]squatdog_nz -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Once again, how exactly am I a 'Men's Rights Advocate'?

You realise this is a term used exclusively by feminists such as yourself to demonise anyone who doesn't agree with your ideology?

Also...

hive mind noun

a notional entity consisting of a large number of people who share their knowledge or opinions with one another, regarded as producing either uncritical conformity or collective intelligence.