by Kellex on Mar 16, 2015 @droid_life News

Shocker: Saygus V2 “Superphone” is Delayed Until May 22

The Saygus V2 “superphone” is delayed. You aren’t surprised at that. I’m certainly not. A small company promising the world out of the gate to drum up buzz, who just before their original targeted shipping date arrives goes silent only to chime in at the last minute with news of a delay? Where have we heard that before? Oh, only with every single crowd-funded tech campaign that has launched within the last couple of years. And let’s not deny what the Saygus V2 is – a crowd-funded smartphone.

The news isn’t all bad, though. Saygus, through an email to customers who pre-ordered, has apologized for the delay. Not only that, but they will give everyone a complimentary SqGl headset valued at $229, in “exchange for your patience.”

Saygus said that they have had some delays in production “due to imperfect components and an antenna design issue.” They are also seeing delays in the “integration of the industry leading cameras” they are using in the phone.

The new shipping date has been set at May 22, 2015. If you would like a refund, they “will support you in a refund request.”

Here is the full letter:

Dear Saygus V² Customer,

We sincerely thank you for your patience with us as we drive the creation of this world leading V² smartphone and with our delayed communications. We are working to provide more timely updates and plan to reward your great loyalty in supporting us.

Saygus has been in the business of developing mobile device technology for more than a decade. Our commitment to the highest quality smartphone is our focus. We are currently working out our final hardware and software integration efforts. This email is to address the shipping plans including the VAT in varied countries for the V².

First, we would like to address some of the recent developments that are exciting but that also have caused us to push back the date when we initially expected to begin shipping the V² super smartphone.

We have had some delays in production due to imperfect components and an antenna design issue and we refuse to use inferior components in our smartphone.

We are working to finalize some key distribution partnerships that may alleviate some of the VAT costs.

The integration of the industry leading cameras we have in the phone has taken a little longer than anticipated.

We officially announce our shipping date as May 22, 2015.

In exchange for your patience, and to say thank you, we will offer all of our current customers an added bonus. Customers will receive a complimentary SqGl (pronounced “Squiggle”) headset—a $229 retail value—as a FREE accessory. Building the V² is like conducing a symphony with all its parts coming together in harmony—we want it to be perfect. As an additional note, the antenna engineering issues have been addressed and we are now preparing to move into mass production soon.

We understand that some of you may be concerned about this updated status and want you to know that we will support you in a refund request, if that is your preference. Although, we hope you will stay with us to benefit from the savings and receive our high-end SqGl earbuds.

We value your support and continue to appreciate your patience as we approach the shipping date of this remarkable world-leading smartphone!

Sincerely,

The Saygus Team

Taglogical

like conducTing* a symphony…
Daniel Marcus

To be fair, a couple of months delay for a crowd funded smartphone with a fairly clear explanation of what is being worked on isn’t actually that unreasonable. Unless this happens again and again, I can forgive them one delay.
- bob90210
  
  Does the Saygus V1 count? It was demoed at CES 2010, passed Verizon certification, and after some delays, never made it to the market. Do you still forgive them?
  - Daniel Marcus
    
    I can forgive them for the V2 for now, but I certainly wouldn’t invest in them.
Ivan

Hate to be a critic already, but I most likely won’t order this phone for one major reason ; no customer support whatsoever. I tried calling them, emailing them, leaving messages on their boards, tried Twitter, even YouTube. nobody from saygus even once contacted me back, thats has been over 2 months now. my code didn’t work, that’s why I contacted them, I literally was contacting them to order their product, and nobody picked up the phone reply to the email or got back to me in any way whatsoever. rather go to big manufacturer that does knows what they’re doing, too bad the phone seems out of this world.
mcdonsco

Didn’t pay much attention to this thing when DL first mentioned it, but the more I see it the more I like it.

Wish they did a 4,000 mah battery though.

But, startup status will have me waiting for reviews and full (if they ever get there) availability.
SmokeNMirrors

This is the phone I’ve really been waiting for… I’ll get one once VZW caries it, by then it’ll be 2016 and it’ll be $350 un-subsidized!
paul_cus

Yeah, that phone is never coming out.
pyro74boy .

i HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS PHONE.
Wes Thomson

Shocker! You know, I probably would have still been in for one if they would have billed at shipping.
markwebb

Almost took the bait on initial invite and glad I didn’t.
Daniel Walsh

It’s just ugly.
- John Whitehead
  
  I agree. It looks like a device manufactured as cheap as possible. The company is based out of SLC, UT. We have lots of companies just like these that are get rich quick schemes in our area. A lot of them use our local news to try and get a kick start, but ultimately fail.This company was in the news and it seems difficult to believe that they have a decade of experience. Maybe several months?
  - James_75
    
    Instead of slandering them why don’t you go do some actual research and come back with something more substantive?
  - Franklin Ramsey
    
    Technically the company was established back in 2009. They had announced a Smart Phone back then that excited a lot of people. It made it through Verizon certification and then wasn’t really carried by anyone. You could buy it direct and get it activated on Verizon’s network, but no Verizon stores carried it. So this is the second smart phone that they have released. The first phone was the Saygus V1.
    - bob90210
      
      Technically, this is second phone they have not released. The V1 was never sold. Let’s hope that the V2 does not suffer the same fate.
      - Franklin Ramsey
        
        No, but they actually had a phone to sell. It went through all the certification processes and then was never released.
      - bob90210
        
        As you said, the V1 was “never released,” therefore Saygus has now made two phones that they have not released.
Daniel Walsh

LOL
Tyler Durden

lol, “superphone”
- James_75
  
  You have to admit, it does some pretty cool things and has some specs no one else has. I suppose “Super” is a matter of what you find important in your phone. We’ll see if they can get it all to work together.. they seem pretty intent on “getting it right” before shipping though.
zionlion02

No ill will meant in this comment whatsoever. But, it does kind of amaze me on here sometimes. I’ve been reading here for years. And with every phone that comes out, the loudest voices are what the phone does NOT have. And that’s fair. That’s how people react. SD cards, better cameras, good enough screen, dual sims, better battery needed, etc. Can go on. Then a phone comes out that DOES have literally everything people have been complaining about for years in phones, and it’s too expensive! I actually thought this group here would love this phone when I saw it come out. No it’s not an S6 or iPhone or HTC in design. But it can’t be. Frankly for what’s in it, I’m surprised they kept it this reasonable looking. I think the Oneplus was priced the way it was because it did not have all of these specs, really. Or, maybe its implementation of the specs WERE as good? Honestly haven’t used one personally. But curious what other people think, why the backlash with this phone? They’ve got to pay for the parts somehow, and make profit. It IS a capitalist company after all. Thoughts guys?
- Adrynalyne
  
  “But curious what other people think, why the backlash with this phone?”
  
  I dunno, hype without substance? How long have we been hearing about this phone? Riiiight, back when the specs weren’t considered mid-range. By the time it comes out, we are two SoC generations ahead (likely with a third in development within several months afterwards).
  
  By mobile tech terms, the Nexus 6 and Droid Turbo are old. This isn’t even released yet and is an even older SoC.
  - zionlion02
    
    Yeah, that’s a very fair point. I see where you’re coming from there.
  - James_75
    
    The only spec that is mid-range is the SOC which, if properly optimized, won’t be an issue. It’s a proven SOC. I would have preferred an 805 for the better GPU but, IMO, the other specs outweigh my concern over the SOC. Besides, the jury is still out on the 810 so I wouldn’t get too down on the 801 choice.
    - Adrynalyne
      
      By the time this comes out, yeah….801 is a poor choice. It doesn’t matter how optimized it is. Motorola at least added a difference to the mix with their 2013 Moto X by using two extra cores to offload tasks onto. This will still be a plain ol’ 801 at the end of the day and if you don’t need a ridiculous FFC or two sd card slots, then there are plenty of comparable buys for 1/2 to 1/3 the price.
      - James_75
        
        Of course it matters how optimized it is. What is it, exactly, that you think this phone won’t be able to do well? Run crazy high scores in benchmark apps? Who cares about that? This thing will have virtually stock android so shouldn’t need much processing power to run smoothly and the 801 is a proven reliable soc. The phone is 1080p so the 805 isn’t necessary either. Dual Sim, dual Sd, removable battery, fractal antenna, fingerprint scanner, wireless hdmi capability, industry leading camera hardware & an unlocked bootloader, are features you can’t really get in many other phones much less all in one phone, until now… Assuming they actually produce it
      - Adrynalyne
        
        Its not a matter of what it does well, but instead that superior devices with the same or lesser price will do it better.
        
        Motorola has been the only OEM to ever optimize Android. I don’t supect this one of I’ll also.
      - James_75
        
        It’s going to run stock Android! FFS people lol… The 805 was only a marginal improvement over the 801 and the only real benefit was better 2k screen support via a marginally better gpu. I do not want an 810 at all in my phone so the 801 is a great choice. It’s a highly capable soc.
      - Adrynalyne
        
        Actually the 805 is a considerable improvement…. have you even tried it? 800-801 was a marginal improvement.
        
        I’m not understanding your argument. You think that people should pay high end prices because its only running stock Android and will run fine?
      - James_75
        
        I’m saying that there will be no perceivable difference between the 801 and the 805 if properly optimized and running stock. I have both a Droid Turbo and a ’14 Moto X the former has an 805 while the latter has an 801. Again, no discernible difference. The 805 is more $$.. the V2 is priced like a premium device because it has several ground-breaking technologies and innovations not found in other flagship devices.
      - Adrynalyne
        
        There is a perceivable difference now (just because you can’t, doesn’t mean nobody else can), why wouldn’t there be with this?
        
        What ground breaking technologies does it have? I see additional features that no OEM has cared to offer, but nothing groundbreaking whatsoever.
      - James_75
        
        My Turbo with the 805 is not any faster than my Moto X with the 801…pretty common experience with everybody who’s used both.
        
        Dual SD cards, dual Sim, capable of multi-booting. This phone will be capable of nearly half a TB of storage! Fractal antenna is pretty awesome, and it has wireless hd which is capable of zero latency mirroring..these things are not groundbreaking? What about the 50% battery saving chip or the screen dimming tech (see link below) or the fact that the phone is nanocoated internally to be waterproof? The first phone with 13mp front camera with ois not to mention the 21mp rear also with ois…
        
        Never before have so many kick ass tech features existed on a phone…that’s groundbreaking in the smartphone world.
        
        http://www.quicklogic.com/technologies/visual-and-display/dpo/
        
        How can you look at these specs and honestly not admit this phone is groundbreaking?
        
        https://www.saygus.com/v2/
      - Adrynalyne
        
        I think you bought into their marketing a little too well, and your experience between the 801 and 805 is not shared by anyone I’ve talked to. The nanocoating wears off,even internally. Thats why its not done very often. The rest is very gimmicky. I also don’t believe in paying Samsung extra for their gimmicks. Everything you are mentioning appeals to a select group of individuals, and those same ones happen to be spec whores. See the conundrum?
        
        Lets revisit this thread when it comes out and has a couple weeks on it. I predict tumbleweeds and dust blowing, but hey, maybe I am wrong. If they drop it another 150 by the time it releases, then it will probably be received well. This phone needed to release last year.
      - James_75
        
        http://dev.erhard.cc/saygusV2/visit_cebit2015
        
        Pics
- paul_cus
  
  And it’s not made by a major OEM, or even a mid level OEM.
  - James_75
    
    Neither was Tesla.They seem to be doing ok…
Mike

Yup. Building this stuff isn’t easy. I imagine that there will be other batch issues that only show up when you are producing tens of thousands of something also, rather than what looks here to be like standard stuff when moving to a big build line/factory.
j

These crowdfunded companies clearly don’t realize how difficult it is to design, manufacture, and distribute a device as complex (technically and politically) as a smartphone. They cannot possibly match the sub 1-year development cycle of a mega conglomerate like Samsung or Apple with infinite money and man power. They need to do a lot of work before the funding even comes in, which I doubt is happening.
- Jess
Erstam

I’ve been hyping this phone since I heard about it at ces. I pre ordered and everything. They have had terrible communication and charged you for your preorder right away without warning (ie kick starter type thing). They have made so many claims and keep claiming about how they’re the best. But this is the last straw for me. I requested a refund shortly after their email was sent. I hope they haven’t spent all of our money already and can actually give refunds. Here is the xda thread for anyone that wants to catch up on the saygus drama (spoiler: lots of crap talking and promises through Twitter. Even their own claims of promising to send out updates info by end of a week, weekend, day. Never happening on time).

Honestly, I don’t think this will ship out in May either. Not one piece of hardware is working that wasn’t already working at ces. No cameras, speakers, finger print scanner, even the most advertised feature of 2sd cards isn’t working.

/rant off
wrkerr

I think they would have done better if they had targeted a lower price range, like the OPO. If I was shopping in that price range I’d rather get a N6, or the latest flagship from Motorola, LG, or Sony.
James_75

WTF is a SqGl earbud? There’s a picture on XDA somebody posted but I wonder what makes them $229?
- Tyler Durden
  
  Capitalism.
  - James_75
    
    Nothing wrong with that!
    - Tyler Durden
      
      http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln33v3uu7Z1qkae66o1_1280.jpg
      - James_75
        
        I’m an atheist so this doesn’t really hold any water with me… but if you’re anti-capitalist then you are certainly pro-poverty. There has been no more successful economic and political system than capitalism when it comes to increasing the overall wealth of the world’s population. If it weren’t for capitalism we’d all be poor and trying to figure out how to get out of our disease-ridden, mud hut laden, farmer/hunter career having, king/queen serving,… and I could go on and on describing how much worse off I think the world would be without the goal of having a better quality of life for ourselves as individuals and those we care for. Capitalism is the only engine we have to drive away poverty across the globe. To deny that is to live in some unrealistic fantastical dream-land. This doesn’t mean that there aren’t people out there who will rape, plunder, and pillage but those people always exist under any system.. at least with most forms of capitalism you have a chance to defend yourself.
      - Tyler Bowden
        
        What does any of that have to do with you being an atheist?
      - James_75
        
        Your quote mentioned god so I responded to that part with mention of my disbelief in the magical sky wizard. The rest of my post was repudiation of your seemingly anti-capitalism views. Capitalism isn’t about some mythical being determining who is successful and who isn’t. That’s just dumb.
      - David Stevens
        
        Why do you guys get so up tight about something you don’t even believe in?
      - James_75
        
        huh?
      - David Stevens
        
        Seems like atheist tend to be very vocal about their beliefs. Im not saying you are, but I am very curious to know why they’re so adamant about it. If you don’t believe in God why do you care so much when it is brought up. It’s like me being pissed because leprechauns don’t exisit or something.
      - James_75
        
        I agree that some are quite vocal.. I’m guessing most of it has to do with a frustration over so many things in this world being influenced by religious (the manifestation of the belief in god(s)… sometimes it seems like the only way to get people to stop being irrational about such things is to constantly bring attention to it. My reference to god was in response to his post claiming that the outcomes of capitalism is something a made up fairy came up with in order to pick winners and losers. Anyway.. apparently I just feel like arguing today
      - mcdonsco
        
        For me its just baffling (and irritating) to know I’m a member of a species where fairly tales and fantasies are “believed in” and lives guided by an overwhelming majority…its just sad that these folks require such an absurd cruch to get through life.
      - TC Infantino
        
        What!?? Leprechauns do too exist. Who do you think makes Lucky Charms?
      - chris edmonds
        
        So you think if capitalism didn’t exist, we would all still be farmers? So, how does China produce so many goods on there farms? I’m sure it must be hard to produce a cellphone in conditions like that. Anyways all capitalism really does is create more distance between the rich and the poor. Otherwise, if we were socialist or communist society, nobody would be allowed to price things so that only a certain few could afford them.
      - James_75
        
        You’re confused if you don’t think China has embraced capitalism as the engine of it’s economy. There is certainly a lot of communism going on over there in a politica context but capitalism is the reason there is wealth and a hell of a lot less poverty in China than there would otherwise be. Before everyone chimes in with child labor and sweat shops, etc, think about the fact that most of these kids would be a lot worse off working in the fields for maybe some food and a mud or thatch hut to live in. Rising out of poverty happens in a spectrum in newly industrialized countries and working conditions get better for everyone eventually…
      - Tyler Bowden
        
        I’m not the same Tyler who posted the image haha, and I didn’t see the Ron Swanson image that was posted on my phone.
      - James_75
        
        haha.. No worries, my bad.. apparently in my zeal to smite the believers I lost my capability to see who I was responding too… my mistake bud.
      - DainLaguna
        
        it doesnt hold any water for you because its meant to be funny and not nearly as serious as you’re taking it.
      - James_75
        
        I see the humor and actually appreciate it… just chose to respond in a serious manner.. I have that right.
      - skittle
        
        God doesn’t believe in atheists.
      - James_75
        
        Did you read that in a book somewhere?
      - skittle
        
        The Book.
      - James_75
        
        The author of that book commits a blatant straw man argument by incorrectly defining atheism and then arguing against the incorrect definition. Atheists don’t claim knowledge about dieties, they just don’t believe they exist because of a lack of hard evidence. They reject positive claims of something existing where there is no empirical evidence to support such claims. If the existence of something can only be believed in on faith then it doesn’t merit belief in the first place. You’d be better served studying the works of C.S. Lewis that the hack that wrote the book you referenced above. http://www.cslewisinstitute.org/Basic_Apologetics_Course
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YeahRight

Outrageous… a device I have never heard about and that I couldn’t care less about is delayed. Somebody needs to be flogged!
- James_75
  
  and yet you still came here to comment about a device you’ve never heard of nor do you care about….. Smh
  - YeahRight
    
    I just wanted to say that somebody needs to be flogged. Wasn’t that obvious?
    - James_75
      
      So somebody needs to be beaten with a stick because a phone we mostly all thought would be delayed was actually delayed? Wait, I thought you didn’t care?
      - YeahRight
        
        Flogging is beating with multiple string or leather straps.
      - James_75
        
        flog
        fläɡ/
        verb
        gerund or present participle: flogging
        1.
        beat (someone) with a whip or stick as punishment or torture.
        “the stolen horses will be returned and the thieves flogged”
        synonyms:whip, scourge, flagellate, lash, birch, switch, cane, thrash, beat;
        tan someone’s hide
        “the thief was flogged”
      - Sirx
        
        You seem a bit tense–A good flogging should fix that! I’ll even give you a choice of whip or stick, cause I know how much of a stickler you are for proper rules 😉
      - James_75
        
        I’m most relaxed when debating.. especially master-debating. Relax, I am…relaxed.
      - YeahRight
        
        You need to get yourself a better dictionary.
      - OF
        
        Why so serious?
      - James_75
        
        You’re talking about flogging people over a smartphone delay and you think I’m the one being all serious? I’m just saying it’s kind of dumb for you to complain about something you admittedly don’t care about nor ever heard of…. Some of us are actually waiting on this phone and have skin in the game and aren’t going full-retard over the delay while others are.
      - OF
        
        I didn’t say anything about flogging. Plus, he was joking. But now I understand why you’re upset. I’d be too if I wasted my hard-earned dollars.
      - James_75
        
        You’re right.. I apologize that I failed to look to see who posted.. just assumed it was YeahRight. My mistake.
        
        I’m not upset at all, trust me. I have enough patience to wait it out until the next ship date.. but probably not much beyond that.
      - OF
        
        Well hopefully it turns out to be a good phone.
    - chris edmonds
      
      You? Wait, do you have an Iphone?
      - YeahRight
        
        Please go back to elementary school, you failed logical thinking.
      - http://albertathedetails.blogspot.ca/ cyberclark
        
        If you took time to read the news, you will find the Russian Fleet in the Northern Sea north of Canada on exercises. All part of the embargo show.
      - YeahRight
        
        One can read the news and still use logic.
M3D1T8R

Is there any reason for anyone to get this over the Sony Xperia Z3?
I mean I’m all for anyone trying to create the perfect phone. Just seems like Sony (mostly) already did it last year, so I wonder what areas this addresses where Sony is lacking, besides the glass back that some people don’t like.
I read a little about this some months ago but haven’t been following it too much, just curious about peoples thoughts.
- Maximus
  
  So you name the better storage, the battery, wireless charging, front camera, but you missed the dual SIM card slots, and the dual SD card slot, the full kevlar body and the Z3 is just plain old ugly in comparison…
  - Bane
    
    Actually, the Saygus is ugly. I know it’s all about specs, but it’s seriously one of the ugliest phones I’ve seen in a while.
    - Daniel Walsh
      
      Totally agree, but these specs will be obsolete because of all the delays.
      - James_75
        
        http://dev.erhard.cc/saygusV2/visit_cebit2015
        
        Looks better now to me
  - Daniel Walsh
    
    The Z3 is amazing.
    - Man of Steel ☑
      
      LOL. A typical Xperia Fanboy. 😛
      
      P.S. No offense to Sony Xperia Z3.
  - Tyler Durden
    
    The Z3 is ugly? Did you hit your head today?
    - Daniel Walsh
      
      The Z3 is SEXY!
  - Daniel Walsh
    
    What? The Z3 is beautiful.
  - M3D1T8R
    
    I find the Z3 much better looking than this ugly beast.
  - Mike N
    
    It does NOT have dual SIM slots…. Đó your research properly.
- James_75
  
  The Z3/Z4 doesn’t/won’t work on Verizon. The V² will assuming it actually gets produced.
  - Patmw123
    
    What about the z3v? /s
    - Daniel Walsh
      
      Yes, the Z3v is on Verizon, but it’s just a Z2 though.
      - Patmw123
        
        I know that. I was being sarcastic – hence the “/s”.
      - Daniel Walsh
        
        I missed that part lol.
      - M3D1T8R
        
        Same internal components as the Z3, but with 32GB instead of 16, and wireless charging. It looks slightly bulkier, sure, but I’d take the Z3V over the Z3.
    - James_75
      
      lol
ChrisI

Beat me to it Kellen. I, for one, am canceling tomorrow. Another nine weeks is a little outrageous considering no one has yet to see an actual production unit yet, and their PR/communication skills have truly been atrocious. I worry that if I were to love the phone, I’d need support or have questions someday, and Saugus has made it painfully obvious they are completely inaccessible. Too bad, was pretty excited about this phone.
- James_75
  
  I, for one, am going to wait it out… But one more delay and I’m out.
  - ChrisI
    
    Even if it doesn’t get delayed again, Saygus has shown me all I need to see about their level of professionalism, communication, and personal capital investment.
    
    To me, at this point, the phone is a pipe dream. Great on paper, but actually doesn’t even exist yet. I was happy to pre-order and wait until 3/31; asking me for another 9 weeks though, for something that doesn’t exist, and I’ll pass. Good luck though!
    - James_75
      
      Nothing risked nothing gained. It would be different if they weren’t allowing refunds.. but they are. I’d rather they be hard at work getting the phone produced then spending all of their time replying to impatient customers. I think they grossly underestimated how impatiently and in true cry-baby like fashion some early-adopters would act. Have some patience.. Like all fledgling companies they are going to have growing pains and not everything is going to be perfect. I work with small businesses every day… 99% of these guys work 12- 15 hours a day fueled by their passion to build something great.. most of whom have never worked with the public and haven’t the slightest clue about how important simple communication is. I know I’m making excuses for them but I think people just need to chill a little and have some patience with this new company. I’ve talked to them.. they really do care!
      - ChrisI
        
        Don’t make the mistake thinking you’re the only person who’s spoken to Saygus. I spoke to Kathy weeks ago when she called me about some questions I had. Long story short, Saygus isn’t ready to go public with their product. I was happy to be patient until 3/31. Asking me for another nine weeks until shipping is outside my wheelhouse now. The V2, as specced on the site, just isn’t technically feasible yet. They’re working on it, but I’ll take my $550 back for now. If it was only a $100 deposit or something, I could stick it out. Good luck to you and Saygus!
http://danielhickman.com Daniel Hickman

RIP Grammar. Unknown – 2015
Gary Hicks

If you’re still on Verizon, that’s your problem. No, most likely it will be a GSM device.
- j
  
  wont matter for long once everything is LTE.
  - Adrynalyne
    
    Still a ways off before it is all LTE (years) and it still matters when it comes to frequencies.
    - Tyler Durden
      
      Exactly. Ohhhh everything is LTE but wait it’s missing Band 4/13 !? I can’t use that on Verizon!
      - pat johnson
        
        LTE bands 4 and 13 are both listed on their web site- “LTE: Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 40”
        so stop spreading misinformation.
        I really want this phone to be real, but it feels too much like the kickstarter downward spiral- they want to build a great phone, but need it to be exceptional to get funding so they make outlandish claims, people want something awesome and invest in (preorder) it, they have trouble delivering because of the outlandish claims, people start to lose hope, funding dwindles, the project runs out of money…..
        If I preordered this i would say keep the “$229” headset and send me a beta phone even if things like the fingerprint sensor arent ready.
    - TC Infantino
      
      Exactly. All the carriers are still way off from throwing the switch to turn off the legacy 3G and below system to go all out with LTE. While I am also waiting very patiently (or maybe not so patiently) for the carriers to become just dumb pipes with all phones working equally on all carriers, I know it is still just a pleasent dream at the moment.
- James_75
  
  Saygus lists cdma in the specs. They also asked us to specify our carrier in the pre-order process. This phone will work on cdma (to. Include Verizon) as well.
- Franklin Ramsey
  
  Technically the Saygus V1 phone (the only other phone released by Saygus) worked on Verizon, so I would be surprised if this one didn’t.
http://www.twitter.com/nblufire12 Nathan Patel

But…will it work on verizon?
- Richard Gao
  
  The day that Verizon abandons CDMA and allows unique GSM phones to be used on their network is the day pigs fly. The only cool phone Verizon has that no other US carrier does is the Droid Turbo.
  - Keith
    
    False. GSM carriers have the Moto Maxx. Same phone, different name.
    - epps720
      
      I could be wrong but I don’t recall them releasing a Moto Maxx this year so there isn’t a GSM alternative to the Turbo.
      - Keith
        
        Oh damn you’re right. Looks like it has yet to make is way to the US. Sometimes I just open my mouth and words start coming out.
    - TC Infantino
      
      “The only cool phone Verizon has that no other …US… carrier does is the Droid Turbo.”
      Thus his mentioning the US. Since I am pretty sure that Moto Maxx is not sold or available for the US.
      - Keith
        
        I replied yesterday basically saying oh yeah”, but I was on my phone and it must not have submitted. Thanks for clearing that up anyhow… I’ll sleep like a baby tonight.
      - TC Infantino
        
        Ah. I saw that after posting. I am sorry for beating a dead horse. That was not my intention.
      - Keith
        
        No worries!
      - Adrynalyne
        
        There are some US regional carriers selling it too.
- Bane
  
  Nothing works on Verizon. If you want smartphone choices, go to a GSM carrier.
  - James_75
    
    What flagships don’t work on Verizon or have a cdna version that will? The Z3 is the only one I can think of… But they have the Z3v.
    - Bane
      
      Are you really that naive? I could list phones all day. How about any of the good Chinese phones? Oneplus One? Saygus? Any of the Sony flagships (the Z3v is not a flagship. It’s a Z2 branded as a Z3), new Blackberry devices (note, it doesn’t matter if you don’t care about Blackberry devices. My point stands),etc.
      
      Even when Verizon does get a flagship, they usually get it later than everyone else, slap three logos on it and remove features, not to mention delay software updates longer than pretty much anyone else.
      - James_75
        
        Please. List those phones all day.. shouldn’t take you very long.
        
        One+one? Which carrier was that sold through again? The N6 proves that all OEM’s have to do is build a Verizon network compatible phone and it will work on Verizon whether VZW certifies it or not assuming you already have a VZW Sim. The reason the One+One doesn’t work on Verizon has nothing to do with Verizon and everything to do with One+.
        
        Again, the Z3 is the only one I know of.. however I agree with you on the Z3v.. (FAIL on VZW’s part)
        
        Blackberry: Really? The words Blackberry and Flagship shouldn’t be used in the same sentence and that’s coming from a once long-time and loyal BB user.
        
        What Flagship (besides N6) did they get later than everyone ele? (A couple of weeks doesn’t count because.. who really cares about a couple of weeks?)
        
        Updates? Check your facts, VZW has been setting the standard for device updates over the last 12 to 15 months. At a minimum you have to admit they are at least on par with everyone else in this regard. Speaking of updates… VZW has the most thorough certification process of any carrier and they do that for a reason and it’s not just to tweak the phone to make more money somehow. There’s a reason why they consistently have the highest customer experience survey results and some of that has to do with them refusing to put substandard updates on their devices. (Droid Turbo and Moto X are examples of this).
        
        Most carriers put tramp stamps on their phones. Do I like when any carrier does this? Nope!
        
        I think you haven’t been paying attention.
      - Bane
        
        So your criteria for phones that are compatible with Verizon are if they are sold through a carrier? And you don’t see the flaw in that logic?
        I didn’t say Verizon was to blame, moron. I said that there are less choices. Many manufacturers only make phones for GSM carriers. So, if you want more phone choices, go to a GSM carrier. Was my original comment really that hard to understand?
        
        Also, Verizon got the N6 MUCH later than 2 weeks after everyone else. I think you’re the one who hasn’t been paying attention. AT&T got it on November 12th. Verizon JUST got it. Derp.
        
        Take off your Verizon-colored fanboy goggles and try reading.
      - James_75
        
        WTF are you talking about? A phone is compatible with VZW if, you know, it actually works on their network regardless of where it was bought … see the N6 as a reference.. it has worked on VZW since day 1.
        
        Of the flagship phones released in the USA in the last 12 months which are not compatible with Verizon’s network?
        
        I’m still waiting for your list….. I’ll start it for you:
        
        One+1
        Z3 although some prefer the z3v on VZW for numerous reasons so to them it’s still flagship
        
        All Samsung active variants (debatable that these are even flagships)
        
        Previous Nexus devices after GNex
        
        The reality is that all popular phones (and even some not so popular) are available and working on Verizon’s network.
      - Bane
        
        So, you didn’t read my previous post at all, apparently. You know, the one where i listed most of the phones you just listed. Maybe you should check into Hooked on Phonics.
        
        And, yes, I suppose I was exaggerating when I said nothing works on Verizon. Or, you could not take every statement you do read literally. That’s a choice too. At this point, I’m not sure if you’re trolling or actually have down syndrome.
      - James_75
        
        I was expecting more personal attacks from you because that’s the typical response when a person’s arguments have been reputed to the point where they’re backed into a corner and have run out of intellectual responses. Bravo sir (or mam), bravo! Every response you’ve given has been a backtracking on your initial post. Most flagship phones sold in the USA are available on VZW so just admit you’re wrong especially when the facts are staring you right in the face.
      - Bane
        
        What’s it like being delusional? Is it a constant struggle? Does the medication ever make you nauseous?
        
        Oh my…was that another personal attack? It’s really hard to tell.
        
        You keep using that “flagship” word. I said more phone options, which include phones not classified as flagships. But the Z3 is a good example. Blackberry Passport ( I know…no one cares about Blackberry, right?), none of the Galaxy Actives. You can say that you don’t care about any of these phones, but it doesn’t change the fact that you can’t get them on Verizon. It also doesn’t change the fact that you can’t buy an Oppo N3 and pop in a Verizon sim or a Huawei, Xiomi, etc. Basically, you can’t import anything.
- James_75
  
  Yes. The V² specs indicate cdma antenna and Saygus says it will work on all carriers including Verizon.