US: No, China, we won't recognize these red lines you've drawn all over the South China Sea

New_Katipunan · 1時間前

Well congratulations, I didn't think you'd manage to find a way to use both the "goes back centuries" and "1947" claims at the same time, but I suppose I underestimated the Chinese talent for doublethink.

So here you are, using a source to back up your argument, except that you cherry-pick the parts that support you and ignore the ones that don't. If you don't even have the intellectual integrity to be consistent, there's no need for me to debate you.

"Ambiguous words", LOL, that's a good one. Or maybe North Vietnam simply wasn't accepting China's sovereignty in the SCS.

I was going to ask you if you believe that China owns only the Spratlys, or only the Paracels, or only Scarborough Shoal. But at this point I'm reasonably certain that you believe China owns every single one of them. You know, claiming the Paracels alone - stretching credibility but it could be workable. The Spratlys alone - same thing, it's problematic but you might be able to make a case for it. But all three? Oh no, dear, no non-Chinese person is ever going to take that drivel seriously.

Carpio also shows 34 maps drawn between 1636 and 1933 by Philippine authorities and foreigners, all showing Scarborough Shoal, named or unnamed (Punto de Mandato, Panacot, Bajo de Masinloc), as part of the Philippines.

Regarding your last point about the southern part of Vietnam having been taken from Cambodia - it's actually utterly irrelevant to the topic, as anyone with an elementary-school grasp of logic could tell you. But in my experience it is quite a typical and widespread tactic from the Chinese side in online arguments. So widespread, in fact, that there are not just one but several Wikipedia articles about it. Tu quoque, also known as the "appeal to hypocrisy" logical fallacy.

But it's not like the Chinese invented it, it was actually the Soviet Union that pioneered the use of this strategy in debate and as a convenient method for deflecting foreign criticism. China just copied them.

Tu quoque

Whataboutism

And you are lynching Negroes

New_Katipunan · 2時間前

False accusation? Now that's funny, seeing as plenty of Chinese I've spoken to say China's claim goes back centuries. So when I have some Chinese telling me they've owned the place for centuries, and other Chinese telling me they've owned it since 1947...the inconsistency really doesn't do your case a whole lot of good, does it?

The reason you don't have a single historical Chinese map to show us is that every single Chinese map from before the 20th century shows Hainan as China's southernmost territory. Not a single one shows Scarborough Shoal or the Spratlys as Chinese territory.

What's the problem with using European maps? Of course we're going to use European maps, since Southeast Asian countries were European colonies at the time. Is that difficult for you to understand?

You know what's really interesting about that source of yours? It says that France said that the Spratlys were not Vietnam's, but it just as clearly says that the French also declared that the Paracels were Vietnam's. But you neglected to mention that, hmm?

Seeing as China took the Paracels from Vietnam by brute force...you see, if you're going to use some book to justify your country's claims, you don't just cherry-pick the parts that suit you and ignore the rest. That's despicable.

New_Katipunan · 3時間前

So...are you going to come up with those maps anytime soon?

Didn't think so.

New_Katipunan · 3時間前

That's a nice utterly baseless shitpost you got there.

New_Katipunan · 3時間前

"The West" never agreed to any such thing.

New_Katipunan · 3時間前

An absurd claim. The Han who lived during the Qing and Yuan dynasties would probably disagree with you, seeing as they were trying their best to kick the Mongols and the Manchus out of China at the time.

New_Katipunan · 3時間前

Interesting how the Chinese make all these ridiculous claims, but they can't actually show even a single historical (older than 20th century) map showing the Spratlys, or Scarborough Shoal, as Chinese territory.

I also find it highly unlikely that human beings could actually live on Southwest Cay in 1918.

New_Katipunan · 1日前

True. Although if we count Australia, we might as well say that the Boers could also invade across the Atlantic. However unlikely that may be.

New_Katipunan · 1日前

I think Brazil will win, too. They have to win this one, to make up for the territory they lost to the Buccs. If they can destroy Chile completely, they'll only have one front to worry about and one natural direction of expansion - northwards.

New_Katipunan · 1日前

Almost spat out my drink when Hiroshima got nuked. This BR exceeds my expectations every single part...

Finnish sniping is getting too good. It's like they really are channeling the spirit of Häyhä. Again, refer to what I said earlier about this BR getting better and better every time.

Brazil lost the last war with the Buccs. This new war with Chile will determine whether they stay relevant.

Boers should declare war on someone, anyone, soon. I remember someone saying that once a civ builds up a carpet like that, it's a sign that they'll never declare war ever again. And I'm starting to have a sinking feeling that it's true.

I really thought Australia would stop at the Pacific and leave the Maori's last two cities in Central America alone. Instead, they secured themselves a beachhead there. Smart move. What surprised me even more was the Buccs taking the other Maori city and eliminating them entirely. Looks like the Maori still have units that can take it back though?

New_Katipunan · 1日前

Thank you for nuking Australia. But you really should have declared war while Australia was at war with the Kimberley and Vietnam. Then there was a chance that Australia could actually have been defeated. But you didn't.

New_Katipunan · 1日前

Ohhh damn. We were all so focused on the nuking of Hiroshima that we didn't notice an entire city being nuked off the face of the planet.

New_Katipunan · 1日前

They nuked Hiroshima.

I...I don't know what to say, man.

New_Katipunan · 1日前

Nope, that's not true. That's the great thing about them.

New_Katipunan · 1日前

I didn't even include Lincoln in the three. I was referring more to Texas and Portugal.

New_Katipunan · 1日前

Not exactly sure China should be ranked higher than three other extant civs, considering that they still have only six tiles and truthfully are going to be exterminated as soon as one of their neighbors decides to do it.

New_Katipunan · 2日前

Same here, we could just pass it off as that.

New_Katipunan · 3日前

I could have sworn the Philippines' war theme was on Youtube. The peace theme is.

New_Katipunan · 3日前

You shitpost like this literally every time Israel is mentioned in this subreddit. It was already lame the first time you did it.

New_Katipunan · 3日前

Heck yeah.

New_Katipunan · 3日前

Now here's something to cheer England and Mughal supporters up! BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES~

The Philippines' OCC defense game has actually been pretty impressive here. However, one needs to conquer to win, which the Philippines is too peaceful to do. With only one island city, no matter how well-defended, it will fall to someone eventually. But this is way farther than we got in the actual BR, so I'm fine with it.

New_Katipunan · 4日前

Such a lust for Brazilian clay!

New_Katipunan · 4日前

Murica barely lasted a turn. But then we get the Sioux back, and the Mughals build the Statue of Liberty. Glorious. It looks like freedom won't be going down just yet.

That was some great use of Sitting Bull's actual words, /u/IamaScaleneTriangle.

That war really didn't go well for Brazil. They have a lot of territory left, but they shouldn't have lost any at all. At the time they made peace, they had a solid front line of troops moving against the four nearest Buccaneer (formerly Brazilian) cities, all of which were bombed to almost 0 health. Instead they lose Teresina and then give away Recife in the peace deal. That's six cities lost. Revanchist sentiments should be running high right now, and Brazil should do better in the next war and take those cities back.

The Inuit actually seem overextended, losing cities against both Yakutia and the Buccs. Come on, I know you can do better than that.

It's nice that Sparta can still put up a fight in the south, even after getting hammered in the north. They could totally have taken Carthage itself before peacing out though.

Texas finished America off again, but now Canada will finish them off, crippled as they are from the White Walkers. Or not just yet; Texas'll probably keep Austin. I still think the Inuit should have just taken it earlier.

New_Katipunan · 4日前

Man, this BR is getting crazier and I love it.

I had a gut feeling that the first liberation would lead to more, and looks like it's happening all right. This may not be the last liberation we'll see.

It's a funny liberation too - Mdewakantonwan was a Blackfoot city, taken by them from the Sioux. And then Mexico takes it from the Blackfoot without liberating, and then the Blackfoot take it back - and then liberate the very people they themselves conquered centuries ago.

New_Katipunan · 5日前

Not China? ;)

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