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https://twitter.com/alisonrapp/status/715287409424871424

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[–]GhaziModsThe Collective[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (7子コメント)

Yes, SRSsucks, we can see you linked us. Also, hello to KiwiFarms, who have also linked this thread and will be looking for new people to target.

Ghazelles, please make sure to report comments rather than arguing with them.

[–]The_Iceman2288feminist gazpacho 144ポイント145ポイント  (8子コメント)

If only she was a fictional character's arse, maybe then they would've defended her existence.

EDIT: Wow, thanks for the gold!

EDIT2: Seriously thanks, it's kind of amazing that I inspired a stranger on the internet that I'll never see to spend money on me because I made them laugh. Love all you people, this is one of the only sane places on this site.

[–]24HourRevengeTherepy 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was getting super bummed out about all this, but this truly made me laugh. Thanks, Iceman.

[–]Casey234Figuratively Who 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was getting super bummed out about all this

Titters

[–]lgf92 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, bummers actually

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

That, or an actual terrorist.

Oh wait, Gamergate is a terrorist "movement." My mistake.

[–]Urdnot_VexGG: A fire hose full of failure and wharrgarbl. 59ポイント60ポイント  (2子コメント)

Could have sworn that it was the evil "SJWs" that tried to get people fired for not agreeing with them not the bastion of free thinkers and tolerance that is GG

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a victory for freedom of speech! /s

[–]FlorencePants⁂Social Justice Paladin⁂ 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the ways Gamergate strove to discredit her was pointing out the fact that she argued against Western pressure for Japan to strengthen its anti-child porn laws.

In other words, Gamergate tried to discredit her for protecting the very lolicon they fap to on a regular basis. The cognitive dissonance is strong in these fuckers.

The fact that she was arguing for stronger anti-child exploitation laws for Japan was, I suppose, entirely irrelevant to them.

Then again, this whole thing started because of a localization effort that she wasn't even involved in, so... ya know, why let a little thing like 'facts' get in the way of a good crusade?

Never mind that she was, by her own admission, pro-Xenoblade boob slider, she's a woman with an opinion and, thus, must be destroyed.

[–]Ayasugi-san 33ポイント34ポイント  (19子コメント)

And there are even some of them gloating in the replies. It's mostly supporting/sympathetic to her/mad at Nintendo, but not entirely.

Just to be sure I remember right, they targetted her because they thought she had something to do with localizations making changes they don't like? And she worked in PR, nowhere near localizations?

[–]sabssabs 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, that's how a rational (if utterly ignorant) mind would come to determine who to target in protest over localization issues. That said, the more likely reason she was targeted was because she's a woman who works for a company they don't like and they managed to dig up something that, if you completely lied about it, portrayed her in a bad light.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's a woman who decided not to parrot Gator bullshit and/or stay quiet. Of course she'd end up being a target.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

And there are even some of them gloating in the replies.

Of course they would. Most of them are too young to have ever held jobs and don't realize the damage they're doing.

[–]dog_obgyn 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

She was targeted for being anti-GG and pro social justice but what they probably got Nintendo to fire her based on is digging up some vague things from her past social media tweets and a research paper that could maybe be interpreted as sympathetic to pedophilia to some degree. Looking at the evidence I don't think it's particularly reasonable myself, but if Nintendo got enough complaints maybe they felt pressured to do something. But that's jumping to conclusions- I suppose we don't know the official reason as to why she was fired.

[–]FlorencePants⁂Social Justice Paladin⁂ 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Basically, they dug up some stuff about her arguing against Western pressure for stronger Japanese anti-cp laws.

Now, I'm personally against banning lolicon, on the grounds that I feel like that would be setting precedence concerning the censorship of "art" that I'd rather we not start going down.

Its incredibly hypocritcal for 'muh freeze peach' Gamergaters to use that against her.

[–]Ayasugi-san 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its incredibly hypocritcal for 'muh freeze peach' Gamergaters to use that against her.

But it's completely consistent with their "attack anyone (especially a woman) who has opinions we don't like" approach.

[–]ZemylaGamer Dome Scandal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"No bad tactics, only bad targets." is how they generally put it.

But point even the mildest criticism at them and they're all "Boo hoo, this proves how mean SJWs are!"

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not like she held a lot of influence. If anything, while she's become another victim of GG, she's also become a symbol of resistance against that toxic bigotry they shit at people.

Gators have once again created their own greatest enemies.

[–]Foresight2 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

The Japanese are hard on things like personal integrity, so it actually makes sense if they get alerted that their employee had some vague but still questionable past record, even it it was something that dated back in their HS or Uni years.

[–]dog_obgyn 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think any intellectually honest person would find any of the evidence to be questionable- the fact of the matter is that the GG mob basically amplified anything that could be construed out of context to make her association with pedophila seem like a major thing about her when there may not have been much truth to it at all. It's basically equivalent to you having posted a dirty racist joke in high school you copy pasted from somewhere else and then a million people complained to your employer about it a decade later because they disagree with you politically.

[–]ShitFPHSays 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nintendo of America is not "the Japanese".

[–]casersatzKeep Gamerica Gamerican! 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

Honestly... I expected more denial than I found there. Most of them are actually happy about getting someone fired.

[–]CaelrieNew Mod, Same Great Oppression! 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ironic, since they always say that getting people fired is an SJW tactic Gamergate would never use.

[–]Contrived_throwaway 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

How unfortunate. Their last bastion of ethical superiority has undermined them, once again.

I hope that nobody who claims to be on this side pulls the same shit.

[–]Wrecksomethingscope shill 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Think they had a front page submission to that effect yesterday (maybe escapist related) decrying how evil sjws gloat when people lose jobs.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gators are hypocrites?! You don't say! /s

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe they've decided to stop that ridiculous charade and show their true colors - like most Trump supporters.

[–]james4765Assembly Line Worker, Redpill Grievance Industrial Complex 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or rather, like the rest of the Trump supporters.

[–]darbythefourthbrainwashed feminazi 43ポイント44ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ridiculous. I'm a huge Nintendo fan and I'm feeling incredibly disappointed right now.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this is how they treat people who are loyal to them...

[–]eats_shit_and_diesDarkwing Cuck 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

my wiiu is going back in the box. the penalty box.

[–]FlorencePants⁂Social Justice Paladin⁂ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm going to aggressively glare at my 3DS for a bit.

... and maybe decide not to pick up Conquest or Revelations...

But... Birthright's been so good... Q_Q

[–]IstheLieReallyaCakeBig White Cuck Ball 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me right now.

[–]casersatzKeep Gamerica Gamerican! 46ポイント47ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ugh. What disappointing news.

"That wasn't really gamergate... I mean, I personally never... I mean, it's just a hashtag! How can a hashtag get someone fired? Hashtags can only bring down media corporations, anyone knows that... She probably fired herself to become a professional victim."

[–]IstheLieReallyaCakeBig White Cuck Ball 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

hashtags can't melt steel beams

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw the footage - there was a retweet in there that brought her down!

[–]Nervousaboutposting 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

This comment pretty much sums up everything I was going to say.

I always hear the old "We've never actually harassed anyone out of the industry" line every time this happens, even though it is exactly what happened.

I see they've taken to calling her a pedophile on twitter, too, because that appears to be the only accusation they ever fling at anyone they don't like.

Somehow that's neither harassment or Gamergate. Coulda fooled me.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

That wasn't really gamergate...

You mean the one that uses supposed "SJW tactics" and that upvoted the comments of this man? Yeah, totally not GG. /s

[–]casersatzKeep Gamerica Gamerican! 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

In Gamergate, there are no good tactics, just bad people.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could not have put it better myself.

[–]Plan6Legally #1 Rey Fan 47ポイント48ポイント  (6子コメント)

I am super pissed at Nintendo. Rapp will land on her feet and there is zero chance she won't find employment someplace, especially after this. But I wanted to believe Nintendo wouldn't' see the harassment as a problem and stand by their employee, but apparently not. I don't understand, did they think the PR hit would be minor? Like 5 outlets are going to cover this, minimum.

[–]skyscraperswede 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man, do I hope that game journalists give them hell for this... aaand that Nintendo will actually care. I am hopeful enough to believe the former will happen, but the latter...

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're probably too focused on those NX leaks to worry about a silly little Nintendo of America employee. /s

[–]dayum-sonSocial Justice Post-Human Warrior 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

If she doesn't have enough Speed to to get another job without Jamie Walton user her celebrity Strength through Kevin Smith to backball any developer who hires her (if you don't already know Walton is a proto gator Cloaked as a anti-pedophile activist who nevertheless has celebrity support through Kevin Smit)

I know at least one major AAA developer who's basically placed a "don't hire her and don't even talk to her on Twitter lest Kevin Smith send his army of angry fanboys against us"

I'm not gonna say who it is because NDA and Job security but if you really want to know, read the full text of this post from usename to "formatting" and take notice of any weird shit, it's not some Nanosubtext.

Edit: got rid of "mouth breathers" since I could see how that would be upsetting to some. Sorry about that.

[–]LordSepulchrave 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a horrible story, but cheers for making me chuckle with that post.

[–]GearyDigitMost Charrming Mod 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget that Walton is a contributor at KiwiFarms, a forum where they try to harass and isolate autistic teenagers into committing suicide.

[–]SientoTwo 40ポイント41ポイント  (3子コメント)

The reality is, I actually had no involvement with localized content changes of any kind. Come on, I wanted the XCX boob slider!

GamerGate is such a bunch of fucking bullies.

Fuck I hate that GG keeps associating the word 'gamer' with bullying and hurting other people like this. It's going to take years to recover from the damage GG has done.

[–]FlorencePants⁂Social Justice Paladin⁂ 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its horrifying the way they'll rabidly turn on people who, frankly, sound like they're all for some of the things GG like, all because "AH, SHE'S A WOMANZ WITH OPINIONS!"

[–]robotbebop 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've been doing this damage before the GG brand, I haven't even come close to describing myself as a gamer since 2010

[–]Eingya1gamergate is poopyhead 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

To any other women thinking of entering gaming

GamerGate is watching

We're here We're Queer And we hate women

Bro, it's just a prank

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

A prank that's supposed to protect freedom of speech! /s

[–]SpeakofSmallThings 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

And queers except for token self hating ones(coughmilocough) hate you. And even that one thinks you are pathetic, and condescends to you like some paternalist asswipe.

[–]idolminds 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wait, I thought only "SJWs" tried to get people fired over made up bullshit. How silly of me.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Maybe they've decided it's time to give up pretending to be about ethics and have gone for open discrimination and harassment.

[–]crazykhajiitlady 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please, they'll swear it's "ethics" till they asphyxiate...

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heh, it's worth a shot, right?

[–]sutemiakaShilly down with the Ghazi Gang 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, see, skeletons make up bullshit (because totes 'everything is sexist/racist/etc' like lolz is any of that real? except for the completely real anti-white-cishet-male stuff, that's really real) and use that to get you fired! Like the shirt guy whose life is ruined!

GG, on the other hand, find someone they want to get fired and then make up bullshit to justify it.

It's the difference between 'this person did [x] and I don't think that's right' and 'this person offended me/censored my video games/mocked us on a website, so I'm going to trawl through as much of their past as I can find to see if there is anything I can pretend to be upset about because my original complaint is childish and dumb'.

[–]RacecarlockSocial Justice Sharknado 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

What especially pisses me off is how this is happening to her and so many other women in a rigged economy. I mean, how much welfare and food stamps do you think they could get? With the constant fucking cuts to those programs, these people are screwed. They're going to be homeless, they're going to be living on the street, and yet more good and honest americans may end up starving to death.

Fucking disgusting. And seriously, nintendo? You don't know what a fucking smear campaign looks like? Sack the fuck up. No, what am I saying? Pussy the fuck up. Vaginas deliver babies, I'd want to be that strong.

[–]KarateSquidsGators, Please 44ポイント45ポイント  (6子コメント)

I just saw this.

Another woman hounded out of the industry by Gamergate.

Fuck you guys. Seriously.

[–]ChocolateMilkStuntRaallergic to peaches 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

Another woman hounded out of the industry by Gamergate.

Thankfully, she wasn't. She's looking for a new job.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still doesn't change the fact that she shouldn't need to be looking for a new one in the first place.

[–]KarateSquidsGators, Please 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thankfully, she wasn't. She's looking for a new job.

Well that's good to hear.

She obviously loved working at Nintendo, so I think my other statement stands though ;)

[–]ChocolateMilkStuntRaallergic to peaches 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

my other statement stands though ;)

Oh yeah, absolutely.

[–]sparkler_fimfictionSocial Justice SPEESMEHREEN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gee, I wonder what other game companies operate in the Seattle area...?

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder how they'll thank Nintendo. Child pornography? Spamming pictures of diapers? Bomb threats?

[–]Casey234Figuratively Who 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I haven't posted here in a while, I tend to try and keep my head out of any GG related drama, but fuck this... Fuck everything about it.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, how about fuck you for hating freedom of speech. /s

[–]EmeraldOrbis☭☭actual communist☭☭ 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ugh, found the news on /r/Nintendo... Thankfully the mods removed it, but in just 5 minutes people were congratulating nintendo for "removing a known pedophile". What utter assholes.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

If they thought she was a pedophile-apologist, what does that make Gators for defending that Xenoblade Chronicles debacle?

[–]Ayasugi-san 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Noble defenders of free artistic expression, like all GG members. It's only other people who are pedophile apologists.

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"It takes a strong man to deny what's right in front of him. And if the truth is undeniable, you create your own."

-Col. John Konrad

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

What Gators call "SJW tactics" were used to get someone fired. Yeah, totally not Gamergate that was responsible.

I have to say Nintendo, this is a massive mistake. Instead of standing by one of your employees in her time of need, you throw her out to the wolves. (On the week of her birthday, no less.) That's a bit cold, isn't it?

[–]Ayasugi-san 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

What Gators call "SJW tactics" were used to get someone fired. Yeah, totally not Gamergate that was responsible.

Are they actually trying to claim that?

[–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not for this particularly incident (not yet at least), but yes, they've tried to before.

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    [–]thedzthat happened 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Also, WTF Nintendo. WTF.

    [–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Getting spammed by diaper pictures must've gotten to them. /s

    [–]martijos94feminist gazpacho 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Nintendo's corporate social responsibility page. Let them know if you're not happy about this.

    EDIT: Oh the irony of it all.

    [–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They better at least explain why they terminated her contract.

    [–]FlorencePants⁂Social Justice Paladin⁂ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If we were SJWs we'd probably be bombarding her employer with calls telling them she's a pedophile and a rapist etc. Fortunately for her we're not, because unlike SJWs we're not giant assholes.

    That said I'm sure Nintendo would love to know that someone on their marketing team is filling their Twitter with sexist bullshit.

    I want to plaster that comment on posters. I want to wear it on a t-shirt. If it wasn't so long, I'd make it my flair.

    Why, its almost like GG is full of fucking hypocrites, or something!

    [–]GreyWardenThorgaSocialJusticeZordon 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Done

    [–]GreyWardenThorgaSocialJusticeZordon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That KIA post. I want to print it out and literally rub it in the faces of all the Gaters who participated in this bullshit.

    [–]tubonjics1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for posting this.

    [–]ElephantAmoreGamergate was left here by a race of Titans. 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    GG is tagging in Jamie Walton on Twitter. Gee I wonder why.

    [–]Eingya1gamergate is poopyhead 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

    ... seriously wtf?

    So yeah, your employer becomes a target of harassment and your reaction as a company is letting them go?

    That's fucked up.

    [–]megahobbitCuckasaurus Rex 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Fuck Gamergate. Thats horrible.

    [–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No it isn't! It's a victory for freedom of speech! /s

    [–]FoldableHumanTraffic Light Technician 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Of course it's remiss to not point out the gross hypocrisy of the GG asshole cloud going after Rapp with accusations that she's "soft on CP" when the impetus for their campaign stems from toning down sexual content involving minors. Even more, Rapp's essay essentially boils down to "Japanese morals and culture are a Japanese issue that Japan needs to sort out for Japan."

    The operative stance, that GG will adopt whatever outlook draws the most attention and the most harm, doesn't even need to be pointed out anymore, it's so blatant. They used "she's a pedo" to punish an individual in proxy because they want more games where they grope and perv on sexualized underage girls.

    [–]Model_OmegaSoviet Canuckistan-er 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Please, contact Nintendo's Corporate Social Responsibility line about this, phone or email.

    Let them know you are angry/upset, but be polite to the reception, they aren't the enemy.

    [–]HiredGoon_40 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nintendo's response, via IGN:

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/03/31/nintendo-terminates-fire-emblem-fates-spokesperson

    [–]dog_obgyn 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The hypocrisy is stunning- these are largely the same people who LOSE THEIR SHIT if someone gets publicly shamed for saying the n-word or lose their job for doing something openly racist or bigoted in public. It's WRONG to hurt someone's livelihood if their OPINIONS differ from yours, they say. Thought crime!!!

    I mean, it's not even as if she did something anywhere near that nasty but suppose the dirt you dug up on her has a tiny grain of truth to it- you basically got her fired because your opinions differed from hers. It's no biggie and the morally correct thing when you do it to your enemies, right?

    [–]SkimpyZombieTwitter Analytics 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Targeted harassment campaigns are sadly a dime a dozen these days, what really upsets me is Nintendo's utterly cowardly decision. Fuck GamerGate, they're the scum of the earth. Everyone knows this. But Nintendo? Damn, I may have to think twice about ordering that new 3DS.

    [–]Stenanosaurus 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If you look up the history the Wayne foundation contacted Nintendo over her comments.

    [–]chewinchawingumPokémon Nintendo killer cop 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Jamie Walton contacted Nintendo. Don't let her hide behind a charitable foundation.

    [–]Leinad44 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    People are tweeting about how this may be the best way to get in contact with Nintendo about this.

    http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/ask/ht/576/cp/599

    [–]WizeOaldOwlSocial Justice Wigglytuff 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Congratulations GamerGate. You actually succeeded in a smear campaign for once. Fuck off.

    [–]Bahamutisa 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Ugh, what an awful development. Here's hoping that she gets hired up by someone who appreciates her talents and perspective quick!

    [–]cdtsI am the Scales of Justice! Conductor of the Choir of Death! 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She's now a symbol of anti-GG resistance. (Thanks, GG! We didn't need another "martyr", but it always helps to show how shitty you people are!) Whoever hires her will get that as an added publicity bonus on their side.

    [–]NovaGirl5⁂Transgender Plaid Clad Paladin⁂ 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you're a big Nintendo fan like me and want to express your disappointment with them and urge them to change their choice, you can email them Here

    [–]skyscraperswede 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Huh. So going by her tweets tone, because douchebags started a lot of noise around her Nintendo decided the best way to eliminate the noise was to get rid off her?

    On the one hand, that is a thing they can do legally, I guess.

    On the other hand it is also pretty darn weak to fold to a manufactured controversy, and doesn't really send the image that you care about or protect your employees. So, yeah. Weaksauce, Ninty. Weaksauce.

    [–]LordSepulchrave 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Fuck Gamergate, and fuck NoA for this. I'm one of the biggest Nintendo fans you could ever hope to find, but this is bullshit. Hypocritical bastards.

    [–]HiredGoon_40 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Not sure what the entry point for this story is myself, but Patrick Klepek at Kotaku is apparently going to write something about it:

    https://twitter.com/patrickklepek/with_replies

    [–]barysanLiterally Who №420 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    can someone give me the details here? i tried a bit of googling but all im getting is results from sites like Daily Storm describing how she wants to fuck kids, which, considering how many people i respect are outraged by this firing, probably isnt right

    [–]hexhexhexex 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Daily Storm definitely isn't a reliable source. GG took an academic thesis she made widely out of context to "support" the idea of her being a pedophile.

    This thread might help with an explaination: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/48i6bz/why_are_gators_targeting_alison_rapp/

    Ultimately it seems less about her actually doing anything significant that would piss them off besides existing as a feminist in the gaming industry.

    [–]barysanLiterally Who №420 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    yeah, i approach any site with "storm" in the title with about a pound of salt nowadays. thanks for the info, chief.

    [–]IstheLieReallyaCakeBig White Cuck Ball 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    RIP stormforum.com, the number one site for stormchasers. You will be missed dearly.

    [–]LuizPSC 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Now they started to send this series of tweets (probably again):

    https://twitter.com/Bro_ketsu/status/715305163116974080

    are these photoshop or taken out of context?

    Like, people with suffer with sexual desire for kids should be offered mental help, not hate at the first, because this will make them not get help with their problems, kind of thing?

    [–]DoldenbergVIDEO GAME FEMINISTS STOLE MY ICE CREAM 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Men who like kids" only means "pedophile" when you already think it does, especially combined with the slash kid things. It's basically about "unmanly" things or the very assumption that a man who likes typical "kid things" (bronies etc.) or does well with children must be a pedophile.

    The thing about the sexualization of minors was the topic of her thesis where she basically argued that as it has a cultural tradition in Japan, Western ideas of CP censorship should not be forced unto them; while at the same time arguing for a better protection of minors from sexual exploitation. That is obviously a somewhat questionable standpoint that can be discussed, but it's obviously not the kind of "that woman wants to fuck children" GG tried to make it into.

    Which brings us to the age of consent issues. This is a complicated issues and I' always surprised that US citizens, even progressive ones, have such a hard stance on it. For example, almost everbody assumes that 18 is somehow the nation wide age of consent - it's not, it actually varies by state, the most common one is 17 (probably due to what TV Tropes call "SoCalization" - assuming that everything in America is like in California, forming public perception through their media monopoly).

    Anyway, age of consent is considered sacrosanct, despite the fact that America has one of the most muddled and restrictive laws for that in the whole Western world. In America, you can suddenly turn a rapist by crossing the state border. You can suddenly turn a rapist by turning 18 before your current partner does (because not all states have so called Romeo and Juliet laws). Teenagers are convicted as producers of child pornography for taking and sending naked pictures of themselves. For all of those things, they are forced to register as sex offenders.
    So basically, I think that her opinions considering underage sexuality (Not the CP thing from above) are only objectionable by a certain all too common American attitude toward that topic.

    [–]KillerIsJedGoony Bearded Beta Cucklord 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Don't call us pedophiles, or defend nude depictions of the young, but we really love Marie from DoAX3 who is totally 18 because the game told us so."

    [–]PhyrexianDildoArtifact Creature - Love Machine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Piss on Gamergate and piss on anyone who stands by it.

    "Free speech" is a shield for terrorism.

    [–]Contrived_throwaway 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's such a shitty thing to do to get someone fired for the views they hold, no matter what side of the fence they're on. This isn't how people should behave towards one another.

    [–]turningantigg 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Somebody tell me the backstory to this? I am confused.

    [–]friendlybear01Cultural Groucho Marxism 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well they had a whole lot of anger and had to take it out on some woman. This is GG we're talking about.

    [–]Seiobo 13ポイント14ポイント  (16子コメント)

    So I'm...very confused. This is the first time I've heard about this woman and it's very difficult to get the full story by scrolling through her twitter.

    The only info I could come across was a couple of call-out pages/ articles about her defending depictions of underage sexuality (and calling it sex positivity) and like...that makes me super uncomfortable?

    Are we supposed to be rallying for her because she's a feminist? Cause I don't care about that whatsoever (just being a feminist doesn't mean you aren't capable of being shitty), all I know is that I'm super against minor sexualization.

    [–]DubiousMerchant 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    First time I've heard of her, too, also very confused, but these seem to be the tweets in question (I assume collected by Gators, but unedited?). And...yeah. Okay. Twitter is not a good medium for nuance, and I can understand how more complex views could be underneath those statements in a full context. I'm not going to monster her; it looks like part of her deal is setting aside the moral panic aspect for the sake of clarity and nuance, and that's fine. That's, as a general rule, a good idea.

    But I can't blame Nintendo for firing her over this. At all. It's an extremely controversial and uncomfortable topic for most people, and probably not something any company wants to stand behind, let alone a producer of largely children's products.

    Obviously, she doesn't deserve to be the victim of targeted harassment, and I'll keep reading, but I'm...not...really getting the rallying-around. It is absolutely okay for people to be fired for saying certain things. Her views don't seem to cross over into actual hate speech or anything, but at best they're nuanced and idiosyncratic takes on a hugely dicey topic everyone else goes out of their way to not think about, so. Yeah.

    [–]skyscraperswede 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

    From what I've heard, the people making those accusations were essentially doing the GG thing where they took something nuanced and twisted it into whatever they needed to make her look bad. I think I heard (again, don't really KNOW) that they're the ones who wrote said call-out articles too, to make things extra twisted.

    [–]Seiobo 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The articles definitely felt that way, but it also invoked a certain "where there's smoke there's fire" vibe to me. I'll have to put in more effort to seeing her side, read through her thesis and whatnot. But even if the source is sketchy, I've seen "sex-positivity" taken to creepy and unhealthy extremes before and seeing this has me cautious towards giving her any sympathy.

    [–]skyscraperswede 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Having actually read her thesis now, the gist of the argument (written in 2011) seems to be that there was international pressure on Japan to strengthen it's laws regarding drawn child pornography going on at the time and she opposed this. While she never defended child pornography with real people, she thought trying to get Japan to ban the drawn stuff was a meaningless stop-gap because there's been no conclusive evidence or studies that drawn child pornography affects can "turn" someone into a pedophile and banning it won't really change things one way or the other, doesn't help children that're being taken advantage of, and was mostly cultural imperialism at work.

    Of course, this could just be my own reading at work. I do encourage you to read the original paper, which can be found in this article regarding the matter: http://kotaku.com/the-ugly-new-front-in-the-neverending-video-game-cultur-1762942381

    Personal thoughts after having read it... she is apparently a big-time Japanophile and buy into a lot of anime culture. She saw drawing CP as a victimless crime, and thought legislators time would be better spent elsewhere. Don't know if she still believe this but she still links to the essay so I guess she doesn't mind being associated with it. She apparently had a body pillow on her amazon wish-list. Didn't have a problem with Xenoblade chronicles boob-slider.

    So I guess that what it all comes down to is that she's a big-time anime nerd who's okay with fan-service and doesn't consider it to be that big a deal. I don't agree with all that, but at the same time she just doesn't strike me as someone masking the urge to molest children and mask it behind academic discourse, or be so obsessed with fan-service and into all the icky underlying implications that they turn into horrendous harridans whenever someone expresses discomfort about it. She can see why people would dislike it, doesn't have a problem with people expressing that dislike and mostly just seem to be of the opinion "different strokes for different folks".

    And so, in the end, I guess I support her because it looks like she got fired for calling out Gamergate and ending up in their cross-hairs, and so they decided to make her the scapegoat of why Nintendo makes games feature slightly less creepy stuff in the west. I think this is cowardice on Nintendo's behalf and would set a dangerous precedent. I may not agree with all she believes in, if she indeed still believes in it, but I don't think anything she's talked about makes her a threat or a danger we should shunt off into the Shadow Realm.

    [–]GreyWardenThorgaSocialJusticeZordon 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Basically, she wrote a college thesis that argued against making drawn depictions of such things illegal. Now while I strongly disagree with her thesis here, I don't think that is, in and of itself, grounds for firing.

    But then, GamerGate and a lot of their alt-right buddies misrepresented her thesis as support for pedophiles and pedophilia. Like literal actual neonazi websites like the Daily Stormer were running reports on this.

    And aside from misrepresenting her views (which again, I think are wrong) to be worse than they are, it's also completely hypocritical because they blame her and other 'SJWs' like her for things like the removal of underage sexualization when games are brought to the west. They literally decided that they hated this woman for completely bullshit reasons, and then dug until they found something they could hurt her with.

    So Nintendo threw an employee under the bus and gave gaters what they wanted, for reasons completely unrelated to why they actually wanted her gone.

    [–]hexhexhexex 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's like what skyscraperswede said, they took an academic thesis she made and took it widely out of context to make her sound like a pedophile. While there's most certainly a debate to be had about her thesis, there's no proof she's a pedophile.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/48i6bz/why_are_gators_targeting_alison_rapp/

    [–]GayFesh 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think at most the argument you could make is that she's a pedo-apologist. From what I read she had some pretty questionable views on the whole thing and seemed to support loosening of age of consent laws. From an academic standpoint she has a few points to raise regarding denying minors as sexual beings (who among us in high school weren't masturbating and trying to get laid?) but from what I read she appears to argue that point to the indifference or ignorance of power dynamics in an adult/teenage relationship.

    [–]othellothewiseВоин социальной справедливости СССР☭ 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You should know better than to believe random shit posted on the internet about other people. We've been dealing with this kind of shit for way over a year and even before.

    [–]professorwarhorse 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Some of it is taken out of context, but it's okay to feel uncomfortable. She doesn't want child porn to be full on legalized but she has defended drawn depictions and making the laws against possessing the real thing less harsh.

    [–]murder-slingshot 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm with you. We condemn GamerGate for defending 8chan's sexualization of children, and their underage anime waifu crap. We must also condemn Alison Rapp's views on sexualizing children. It's foul. I just wish those views hadn't been brought to light and used for harassment by GG.

    To be feminists with integrity, and better believers in social justice, we must never shelter people with the same unacceptable viewpoints as the people we fight.

    [–]cats-and-spiders 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah I'm never happy about GG harassing people out of their jobs, but I have a hard time supporting someone whose Twitter avatar is of them wearing a t-shirt with an underaged anime girl flashing her underwear.

    [–]GreyWardenThorgaSocialJusticeZordon 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We need to pressure Nintendo to reverse this decision. Does any body know of a petition or something? This is bullshit and Nintendo needs to be made to see it.

    [–]tubonjics1 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am a huge Nintendo fan and I am really disappointed. I hope that Nintendo reverses the decision and apologies to Alison about this.

    [–]eRonin#FakeGamerGuy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Goddammit this fucking sucks. Well I'm still gonna support her on twitter and she's rad as fuck so whatever company is going to employ her next is gonna be lucky as hell.

    [–]JaeMack 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As if this week's gaming news couldn't be more full of stupid... What the hell is Nintendo thinking?

    [–]shhhhquietPissed Misamdrist 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    These shitheads will keep on destroying lives for as long as we keep letting them. The next target will in part have Nintendo to thank, because they gave the mob what it wanted.

    [–]StruckingFuggle 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well. Fuck.

    Brb crossing every Nintendo game I ever wanted to buy off the list of stuff I might spend money on as it comes in.

    Seriously. Fuck them and this.

    Ironically... my girlfriend owns the entire Fire Emblem: Fates trilogy. This may be the last Nintendo game I ever play.

    [–]Stenanosaurus 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm sure that will be as effective as an Overwatch boycott.

    [–]StruckingFuggle 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh, yeah. I'm not expecting it to influence Nintendo.

    That doesn't change the fact that I don't want to give them money anymore.

    [–]mo60000Canadian Ghazelle 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I hope she's doing okay. I'm pissed off at nintendo for doing this. Sadly she won't be the last nintendo employee GG targets.

    [–]Akitten 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She was fired for having a second job which is against nintendo's rules, where does this have to do with GG?

    [–]Moon_frogger 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'll add my voice to the list of people not buying nintendo products basically ever again. Was gonna buy minecraft for my 6 year old today but he's already got it on the ipad AND the ps4 so yeah...nope.

    [–]biohemisphereintel i5 ethics 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    i'm out of the loop on this one can someone explain?

    [–]SomeGuyInAWaistcoatNaratihf, The Ever-Crumbling 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The short version?

    GG cried censorship about aspects of the latest Fire Emblem and desperately want somebody to blame - because everything must be the doing of Feminist Cabals.

    GG, being GG, immediately start their patented 'digging' into the translation company and dredge up the first vaguely SJWy woman (so basically, just a woman) connected to Treehouse they could find and assume she was at fault.

    They continue their digging, and find a piece she wrote about imposition of Western morality on Japanese culture years ago, and twist the thing into a Pedofinder General sketch.

    Then they start their campaign to get her fired from Nintendo for daring to censor a game she had absolutely nothing to do with.

    She gets fired.

    The Aristocrats.

    [–]Unwellington 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No more Nintendo products for me. Apparently they surrender to bigots.

    [–]IstheLieReallyaCakeBig White Cuck Ball 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    #IStandWithAli

    [–]OctavianXXVSocial Justice Weißbrot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hm...should I sell my WII-U? Weak Nintendo. Really weak.

    [–]Jeep-EepThen you get pedo rats. Do you want nonce mice? 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm glad I'm never gonna be in the market for their stuffs.

    [–]IrishishThe social justice is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Remember when plebcomics lost her job because of people calling her employers and saying she was a rape apologist/racist/homophobe/transphobe? Remember how a lot of people in GG and anti-SJ folks are still mad about it and use it as proof SJWs cannot tolerate mere differences of opinion (that is to say, people who do no material harm to others and simply express their opinions or mock)?

    Where the FUCK ARE ALL THOSE OBJECTIONS NOW?

    [–]IntrepidOtter -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Another thing to throw into the "reasons Nintendo is shit" pile.