Why do people trust government?

Iamcancer624 · 12時間前

12 Years A Slave in Govt Schools...FACT

LOST_TALE · 12時間前

The same way they cling to abusive parents. Softwiring. Deep learning.

freaky88 · 14時間前

Brainwashing from youth & blind faith? Thats my opinion atleast.

I like your friend analogy too.

Government is always seen as "the good guys" in MSM.

anon338 · 13時間前

Although indoctrination and personal morals are huge factors, there is also a distorted intuition that the State can improve their life.

A lot of people are convinced that the State gives them protection in case they were to lose their jobs or become poor. They do think that is what taxes are for. And you have to concede that the State does a very good job at pretending it is this way, while hiding the fact that it restricts every better option.

For example, the State forces workers to pay large fractions of their wages to State welfare schemes. This same money would be extremely more effective on private and cooperative mutual aid organizations. This is even widely documented and the factor labor unions were always popular during industrial development in Europe and the US. The US had a lot more mutual aid societies than labor unions, and that is also reflected today on the preference for private charity.

https://mises.org/library/welfare-welfare-state

RenegadeMinds · 11時間前

Stupidity knows no limits.

sammo36 · 9時間前

they have been fed propaganda from their schools all their life that government is good

TheSelfGoverned · 10時間前

Public schooling.

LibertyAboveALL · 9時間前

Be sure to watch the following for some of your answers. As many here have already said, the indoctrination process starts at childhood. Statism is a religion.

School Sucks: The American Way? Our Connection To Nazi Germany

SLeazyPolarBear · 10時間前

I'm gonna break the "because they suck" narrative here.

States suck, but the reality is, states have done a lot to improve the function of society. Forming a legal structure to punish those who violate rights, setting up social nets that utilize the momentum of capitalism to partially protect people from REAL poverty. Creating agencies that hinder our advancement, but also give us some semblance of protection.

Now, I won't argue that these things could only be done with the state, or that the market CAN'T do better. The market can and could do better. The problem is, that it is not. You have some individual areas where it is out performing the state. But you don't have very many voluntary actors in the market working specifically to stablize things for people they don't know. At least, not on the level that the state provides.

People misinterperet this as "the state is the only way we can have this." Which is not true, but also not entirely crazy to believe. The state fucks lots of things up, the state get lots of things right (protecting civil and property rights when it does)

Ancaps need to stop with the "the state sucks" phase and work on then "here is my replacement" phase. Create non profits that successfully help people. Give people options to the using state where possible. Stop saying "the market could ....." And actually fucking provide it. Stop waiting for the state to dissolve to create your opportunity, it's not gonna happen.

Ancaps love to say "if lefists really cared about helping poor people they would get up and do it."

Yeah well, if ancaps really cared about a free market, they would provide people market options to things so that people could start seeing that they do have the ability to do these things seperately.

Instead, ancaps mostly just get online, bitch about taxes, and talk about how they are going to try to keep as much of their wealth out of the government as possible.

Not once have I seen a thread here which was a discussion about "how can I create a non profit organization that works like welfare but better, and is completely voluntary?" Hell, I don't even see anything like "how could i structure an organization to provide a social safety net while being profitable for its investors?"

These things get talked about by the people we read sure, but who here is actively seeking to accomplish it?

BTW I'm guilty of all of this. When I point the finger, it's at myself too.

InaneMembrane · 13時間前

Same reason they believe in God. It's comforting.

Rpp8JP · 9時間前

This is really a version of Stockholm syndrome. In tribal societies, falling in love with the attackers who overrun your village can prolong your life and your genes, so people have evolved to be capable of emotional attachments to criminals who dominate them.

fitzdepl · 11時間前

because they cant think for themselves, and the indoctrination in schools

Alan229 · 9時間前

They just take the state for granted. It's just a fact of life, it's the way things are done, it's just another thing that exists in the world. It must exist for a reason, right? That's how I thought about the state as a child.

bearjewpacabra · 9時間前

They are taught so, from a very young age. Most childrens shows nowadays give kids positive feelings of authority figures like fire fighters and policeman. Watch Paw Patrol..... every single childrens show nowadays has an episode or 2 about the police or fire fighters and how they help and rescue you from danger. It's everywhere. I see it and turn it off asap.

DatBuridansAss · 8時間前

The koolaid that is democracy. "We are the government! So of course we can trust it. Now does that mean it's perfect? No, of course not. But we can always work within the system to improve it as a society." That line of argument is a lot more difficult if you aren't told as a 5 year old, "you might be President one day!" Because any individual can potentially become a ruler, it makes everyone more receptive to the actions of the rulers.

DisappointedByPeople · 7時間前

Whoa. I didn't expect such a big debate :)

Prometheus720 · 7時間前

It isn't meeting a new friend. It's like meeting your parent when you're a baby. You have no reason to distrust your parent.

Until one day, you do.

mu5t4ng · 7時間前

Because they're suffering a kind of Stockholm Syndrome. They realize nearly every facet of their life is controlled and taxed, and short of a successful violent revolution, there's nothing they can do about it. So it's easier to not think about these things critically.

Mouon · 9時間前

Because of their personalities. Most people are either naturally left or naturally conservative. Libertarians are a (somewhat austistic/INTJ/Pish) sort of group of people. Our views will never be popular, most people are natural statists.

moople1 · 13時間前

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AjvGIBgpF8

aletoledo · 9時間前

This question is a large part of why I gave up atheism and became a believer in the supernatural. I have no explanation for what is occurring in the world and the only explanation that I can come up with that makes sense is magic. There is something that is shutting off the ability for people to see the reality of the world around them.

yes, I could squint my eyes and see this might just be some mass hysteria or stockholm syndrome, but these ideas are just as fantastic as saying magic caused it. So if I have to choose between two equally fantastical claims, which is the better choice? I therefore have decided to accept what history and our ancestors have been saying about this issue, that it is supernatural evil.

For example, was the story of the pied piper just a fairy tale or based on some real event?

noahkubbs · 8時間前

They trust their state more because they know there are other states that would treat them worse.

shadowplanner · 8時間前

Why do people trust Priests? They put their trust into another human being to tell them the secrets of everything and how they should live their life. For some reason as long as they are a priest it is easy to forget they are human too and thus fallible. I haven't seen any proof they have a direct voice in their head telling them when to lead their flock in persecuting something. They do it anyway, and people trust that.

Why do people trust someone else to REPRESENT them in any action?

I kind of think it goes back to an animal type nature of seeking alphas, and joining up in herds and challenging other herds.

It's not reasonable that we TRUST the way we do, but it happens all over, and it happens with/without government.

Gdubs76 · 7時間前

The idea of government taking care of people from "cradle to grave" is a relatively new concept. Before the birth of the social democratic nation state virtually no one trusted their governments. Once government became an institution that normal people could enter into and petition for their own interests it became taken for granted that it was an institution for "good". Add to the fact that all governments have an interest to indoctrinate people into trusting them through propaganda and "educational" institutions it almost becomes obvious why governments have become so successful at it.

If we were a movement 100 years or more ago with the same technological innovations we would probably not be considered a "fringe" group.

samsonkeane · 6時間前

Religion is only really effective when somebody is born and raised surrounded by that religion. An adult who was not raised under a religion will usually see religion and think "well, thats kind of silly" and move on.

But to those born under religions and states, it provides them benefit, both seen (roads, education, etc) and perceived (defense, equality, etc). Whats really strange is that there are so many of us who were also brought up in this environment yet we don't love and trust the state. Its no coincidence that libertarians tend to be higher up on the autism spectrum. You have to be less scared of ostracism and less swayed by emotional appeals and more interested in reason and objectivity to even begin thinking that perhaps the state is a helpful entity

ancap47 · 6時間前

They went to public school, watch a lot of TV shows like 'Law & Order", and haven't been burned by it yet.

Or...

They are a part of it.

clay3r · 6時間前

Not an ancap, but I don't.

Not many people do. You're gullible if you think a majority are happy or have any trust with the government. Have you ever watched the news? Everybody hates the government. People just don't do anything about it. Because we the people are lazy as fuck.

DatOrganistTho · 6時間前

Some of it is willful. Some of it is compulsory.

Example of each:

willful: I can't live without my [obligatory government subsidy or handout]. What would I do without the ~~State~~ Government?
compulsory: "Hail Hitler!" or "You must come to school!" or "You must vote Republican, Son!" or "Call the Police!"

TheBeardedMarxist · 6時間前

Why do you trust things would be sweet with no government?

insincere_fondue · 6時間前

They trust the idea of government, infalliable rulers who know what they are doing, not what government actually is, a single point of failure for the production of law leading to the erosion of liberties for all mankind.

fpssledge · 6時間前

I honestly believe there's some kind of placebo effect going on when people vote and support govt. When I sit down with people and have an honest discussion they can often agree with me on most problems, they just believe taking another dose of govt pills is a solution.

timthenchant3r · 5時間前

Because most western countries have democratic elements, people think that "we are the government." Being well intentioned and competent is self evident, because it is us.

chbrules · 4時間前

Why do people trust religion and its leaders? Because they give easy answers, false hope, and collective ideology. They can save you - no one else can.

Government has replaced religion today.

John-Garrison · 4時間前

They fear government. And feel helpless. They don't like that feeling, so they do their best to convince themselves that government is okay.

In short, they're cowards and intellectually dishonest.

natermer · 3時間前

I don't get it.

There are lots of reasons.

First off humans desire to conform and follow authority. It's part of our social instinct to thrive and survive and is extremely beneficial evolutionary speaking. There are only a few places on the planets humans can survive in isolation. Most of the time it requires coordination and cooperation. Much of state government is a attempt to exploit this natural tendencies for criminal gain.

That is one reason. Some individuals are more comfortable following authority then others. It's a personality trait.

Other major reason, which is especially exploited by the Democracy propaganda, is that people want a savior.

They see the world as a big scary place and feel weak and isolated. People who feel weak and isolation tend to be more likely to look favorably on violent solutions to problems.

When they look at democratic government they see in it the possibility for positive change. They lack the will, understanding, relationships, and/or ability necessary to make positive change in society on their own.. or just feel that the world is just naturally 'incorrect'. That the world is cruel or wrong or unfair or too chaotic and they see the government as this monolythic force in their life that is bigger and stronger then any one else.

They see the government as the savior. Who can save the environment? Government can. Who can stop criminals? Government can. Who save me from crippling debt? The government can. Who can cover any hospital costs that I fail to anticipate? Government. The water is dirty? Government fixes it. Who can save Christianity and make suburbia safe? The answer lies in Washington. Your city is fucked up and poor.. the state government can fix it. If the state government is going bankcrupt... then the federal government can fix it. If world peace is threatened then only you need is world government to fix it.

And then since government is actually useless at fixing any of these things, but it seems that it CAN... then it must be 'them'. If you are 'conservative' and you are xenophobic then it's the liberals or immigrants 'voting themselves a raise' that is the problem.. if only they cared about natural defense as much as they care about gay marriage. If you are liberal then it's the corporate interests that prevent your precious government from saving the world.

Or whatever. The excuses for why government can't actually accomplish anything people want it to are multitude... but the belief and the desire to have a savior is still there.

For these types of people the choice seems to be either government versus inevitable disaster. So they choose to believe that government can save the world.

Maikowski2 · 3時間前

because of constant indoctrination since your birth how government is there to help you, and other people just want to trick you, fool you or defraud you... it is the double standard created by the government, since kindergarden years and all through out the schooling years.

Remove a child from school and grow him in some remote community with no interaction with government, just families interacting with each other, trading with strangers who come to community etc, no mass media or internet etc. and that child would trust government as much as any other stranger who comes to their community to sell goods or buy something. But people forget that there is also a thing such as crowd mentality, which means that since this other guy trust government, my parents and my friends trust them, then why should I not trust, seems legit!

This is what goes through everyone's head when they are growing up, but it is mostly uncounscious thinking. Parents are responsible too, since they teach not to trust strangers specifically, not to jump into some party van driven by some weird looking middle aged man, but you see, government is different. Despite the fact that you know government less than any other stranger in your neighbourhood, government is special kind of stranger that you CAN and MUST trust or else, bad things may happen.

Sorry my engrish, but hopefull I explained it at least the major parts of trust of government.

camerontbelt · 2時間前

Like others have said, it comes from 25 years (counting university) of public school brainwashing. Where do you think it comes from?

thewriter1 · 1時間前

People don't trust the actual Government. The physical body of people in any given country is usually one that is seen with a great amount of disdain (at least, here in the UK).

They trust the idea of Government. They want a group of people who know what they are doing to sort out the big things (i.e., the issues which affect the country as a whole: The deficit, the unemployment rate, housing, etc.) whilst the people can get on with the myriad of little things (paying for food, sending the kids to school, etc.).

That and a functioning democracy (Which, I'm sorry to say, neither the US or the UK have) gives people the power to say "You serve us. On our behalf you will do things in the interest of us all whilst we do things in the interest of ourselves".

E7ernal · 47分前

Most people are followers. They don't believe anything, but they parrot whatever is the dominant cultural narrative because it reduces their chances of social confrontation. Most people prefer to be liked than right. They live in a different universe than you or I or most of us here. It's one where truth is secondary to relationships and social cohesion.

You have to learn how those people think to understand why governments exist and where their real power comes from.

scifihipster · 3時間前

I am no blind defender of the government. However, i have a thought experiment:

Say you meet a stranger. This stranger offers you a job which he tells you is very well paid. He then tells you to sign a formal contract.

Say you meet a bunch of strangers. A group! These people claim to be elected by the masses. These strangers also tell you about a job offer. You hear from other people, presumably your friends that this is a well-paid, and well-insured job.

This is why people may trust the government. Your ideas and your thoughts are products of your environment. I believe that collectivism lies within our human nature. I do not know which government you are referring to, because the "government" is quite different depending on where you are. Your examples are however quite uninteresting. Banning animals on zoo's, how can you be suspicious of that?

As a socialist, my final goal is the disintegration of the state. I am however, far more afraid of neo-liberalism and anarcho-capitalism then the government.

Best regards, Ernst.

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