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AllThe Truth about Brandon Woodie vs MacD/Sky -With Evidence Every Step of the Way. (self.smashbros)

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https://twitter.com/SkyWilliams/status/715298790559850496

Here you will find my official statement on the matter. In this post I dismantle every point he had against me with evidence, testimony, and facts.

Here is MacD's response as well. https://twitter.com/SPY_MacD/status/715298983363678209

I can't speak for McCain but I will be here VERY active answering any and all questions as soon as I get out of the shower.

I have nothing to hide. Absolutely nothing and I have no problem showing anybody whatever they want.

I didn't want to do this. I feel like my hand was forced. I feel like I was pulled into this for an illegitimate reason. normally I wouldn't care - but I've been playing smash competitively since 2003. I've been playing longer than some of you have been alive and whether or not you like me we're family and you're stuck with me because I'm an elder in this community.

So I thank the mods and you for giving me a platform to tell the truth to my family.

Again. I'm here answering anything you want in the comments below. I won't avoid anything - if I don't answer it just means I didn't see it.

Thanks.

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[–]Winnarly[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (13子コメント)

As both an apology and a courtesy to MacD and Sky, we are allowing both of them to share their side of yesterday's events. This thread will be deleted in 2 hours and 45 minutes, which is how long SmashCapps' thread was up. No further discussion or submissions on this topic will be permitted in /r/smashbros. Please remember to draw your own conclusions for yourself, and remember that, as always, witch-hunting is not permitted.

Edit - Oh, and I forgot to mention. This is never happening again. This type of post will never happen again on /r/smashbros.

[–]_spraynardkruger 49ポイント50ポイント  (16子コメント)

Sexual assault is a very serious issue. Accusations of sexual assault are an equally serious issue. One must be sensitive to not victim-shame or blame, but at the same remain vigilant so as to not create more victims. First of all, I don't know why the original post was allowed here. This should not be the forum for such an issue. We shouldn't air-out other people's dirty laundry. While I understand that it was not done with bad intent, I am disappointed in the mods here, and more so in /u/smashcapps for that. Sky's post is much more in-depth and informative than Brandon's initial post. But frankly, they are both lacking concrete detail and at this point don't seem to be anything more than he-said she-said.

If there is a police investigation and these allegations are confirmed, I think THEN it makes sense to inform the community. Doing so before hand is a huge risk to all those involved and only hurts everyone involved.

[–]XxXSamWoWXxX 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have lost pretty much all respect for SmashCapps, she not only made a extremely personal manner public on a forum that isn't formatted for personal issues, but also did not give a fair and balanced view on it. Extremely unprofessional from someone who just talked about wanting to be a professional journalist for a career.

[–]gregidot[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

What Concrete detail are you looking for? I'm sure I have it.

[–]Itzbe [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

The may 2015 story just seems so drastically different on both sides... any reasons they read so differently?

Edit: More specifically, was MacD really trying to pull him away? Did he grab the table? Did he say no?

I also just want to say that there are times in there where it more or less sounds like you're slut shaming him... While I don't pretend to know the whole story, or rather any, I assume the truth is really a shade of gray. Nonetheless some of the passive aggressive details you include sounds more like personal attacks than getting to the truth.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Yes - the reason is because as time went on brandon understood that if he didn't find a story in which he said 'no' he felt like he was going to lose his traction so he implemented that. I'm very sure that D1 can testify to the fact that Brandon never said NO NO NO like he claimed.

Does this make MacD's action good? Not saying that at all. I'm just saying exactly what I remember.

We ended up helping him get away from the situation in any case.

[–]Itzbe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Also sorry, I added more to my question after I thought about it. Thank you for the response.

I've always admired you Greg, I don't think that will change. I just seem to think that on some level something wasn't right here. Was it illegal? maybe not. Was it at some times unethical? Possibly.

Best of luck to you.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What wasn't right or what doesnt fit is Brandons wishy washy behavior. It doesnt fit, he's giving us puzzle pieces from different puzzles. he needs mental help, mental council.

[–]astrnght_mike_dexter [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Consent requires a yes, not just a lack of saying no.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Right. I'm not defending that at all. I'm not saying it was consent at ALL I'm just retelling the story with the truth in mind.

[–]astrnght_mike_dexter [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Except you brought up a lot that Brandon didn't always say no which is not relevant.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right right - My reason for doing that was just to illsturate that his main point was that he did say no and Mac D didn't respect that.

But on multiple accounts - macD was told no and then macD stopped. So that contradiction existed due to Brandon lying about what he said - which is why I bring it up.

[–]Hypnotoad___ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I mean, the only real concrete evidence would be stuff that doesn't actually exist: videos, pictures, audio recordings, etc. That's what makes these cases so hard.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Audio recordings? I have those.

I also have a few trump cards - but I'm waiting to see if Brandon or anyone will take legal action. I need to prepare things that he can't readily refute in court.

[–]NNovis 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed. An outside third party needs to come in and investigate and that isn't going to be anyone else here. I'm about to sell my WiiU and/or copy of Smash right now, I'm so frustrated. THis is no longer a matter of the community coming to a consensus. EITHER WAY, sexual harassment or not, laws were broken and this his pathetic.

[–]Nuevepeanutbutter1236 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'll take your Wii u

[–]XxXSamWoWXxX [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I know you're most likely joking, but don't sell your WiiU, this isn't the community's fault, this is the fault of some community members.

[–]WILL_NOW_VANISH 21ポイント22ポイント  (10子コメント)

This sounds like a super weird dynamic. You're really not meant to just grope a 16-year-old, or anyone, just because they haven't told you to stop yet. On the other hand, it seems crystal clear to me (based only on this) that Sky was not negligent, nor enabling any harmful behaviour. And I guess that's what needed establishing here.

[–]gregidot[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Which is my goal - The fact that I was dragged into this was malicious intent from brandon and poor reporting from Smash Capps.

[–]WILL_NOW_VANISH 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have to admit I never thought you could have done what you were accused of. I'm trying to stay open minded until conclusive evidence is produced, but I seriously hope that the Sky I watch and feel online affection for is going to pull through and flourish. You've come a long way and I don't think you're as self-assured as you should be. Don't let this stress and fear hurt you too much.

[–]gregidot[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate that. I'm just here to clear my name. That's all I care about.

[–]Airilsai 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think Sky is innocent of what the other guy blamed him for, but this MacD guy sounds absolutely disgusting. Who the fucks acts like that? Why is anyone letting that shit fly?

[–]idk982 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because some people are very physical, the fact is that more than one person had said publicly "Yeah he touched me, I didn't like it, I told him to stop and he did and it never happened again" that's the important part, the dude sucks dick at boundaries but at least he stops when he's told.

[–]Eneto [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That is not at all how affirmative consent works. You can't assume that a person who is showing little response verbally is enjoying something.

[–]Tamus_Aran [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That might be true for ppl that exhibit more assertive responses to it, but Brandon sounds very much not assertive. It sounds like MacD might have known this and abused the type of person Brandon was.

The absense of a no does not mean a yes.

[–]WILL_NOW_VANISH 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm 16 right now and would find that very intimidating and uncomfortable.

[–]Austinz611 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

MacD is a very affectionate person. Often relaying those emotions through touch, and it seems through this side of the story when people make it clear they are not interested he backs away.

He also had no clue about Seth's age. He backed off way before the subject of age could even come up.

[–]WILL_NOW_VANISH 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok, I understand that this was an accepted facet to MacD's persona in the house, but I do feel that this explanation is partly self-contradictory. If he was so affectionate that he was conveying it through touch before he knew Seth's age, I subjectively believe that his behaviour was inappropriate. Of course things that make sense and are accepted in person don't always translate on paper like this, but I feel that such a paradigm can be very imposing on others - if someone touches you in a way that you don't like, it's distressing to feel that the people around you condone it, and I'm glad that Seth was able to clearly set a boundary that was respected.

[–]KiwiStrawberrys 39ポイント40ポイント  (3子コメント)

I just want to play video games.

[–]http://i.imgur.com/9fPGzNo.jpg - outdatedOutworlds 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then why are you not doing that.. we aren't keeping you here, silly

[–]IAmArique -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't we all just have fun? Seriously...

[–]letsallpoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i was going to play melee with one of my buddies but the plans fells through and now i'm reading about this stuff again and i just ahhhhhhh ; ~ ;

[–]MoeHentaiMiku 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

"These post Doc smash kids are not and never will be apart of the actual smash family. They can think they are but they are not."

:<

Outside of that, I wish this whole event never happened.

[–]MegaSuperUltraThingy 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah for real, fuck all of that.

[–]gregidot[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

And that's the harsh truth. Too many people in this subreddit exist only after the documentary. When I say post Doc kid I'm talking about those who automatically say Brawl sucks, smash 4 sucks, but have never picked up a melee character. They just say it to be safe. Everyone who jumped on the hate brawl train, thats who I mean.

I've been here for over a decade. I don't care about the opinions of people who think I came here from league if you get what I'm trying to say.

[–]Walter_jones [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Lmao people have said that shit for ages. Like who gives a fuck if someone's trolling on the internet and saying Brawl sucks ass. Just scroll down.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

lmfao u rite - Just had to answer the question though.

[–]hard reads and dank memesblurbtf [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I agree with what you actually mean by "Post Doc Kid" now that you describe your interpretation of it, but I think there are much better ways to say that. Not everyone from the documentary is a brawl/sm4sh hater that knows jack shit about melee (or the other way around, for that matter), and I don't think its fair to label every single person who joined the scene post documentary as such.

I know that it may not seem like it, but there are a lot of people currently on your side here, and a lot of them are probably post doc. While I know it wasn't your intent, the way you worded that phrase is really bad, and could be absolutely taken the wrong way.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're right - 100%. I should find a better term.

[–]IamRider 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

that's some 17 page CLG manifesto right there lol

[–]kino373 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

we donezo now boys

[–]jjjjford 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Austin "Link" Shin returns to the eSports scene as a smasher

[–]LudwigAhgren 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

For anyone curious on what would happen if this were to go to court.

Suing for defamation/libel/slander requires all of the following to be true and proven in court.

  1. That the false information was published. Putting something on reddit is considered publishing.

  2. The information published as truth, must be proven false. It is extremely hard to prove something as false, but with enough physical evidence, eye-witness stories and confessions, that could happen.

  3. The defendant must prove that the false claims caused damage. For a case where the claim is sexual misconduct, damages do not have to be proven. I don't know the specifics on 'enabling' sexual misconduct, but it is somewhere along the same lines.

  4. The most difficult one. Sky is a public figure. He puts himself into the public light through social media and YouTube. If a public figure sues for defamation, he/she must prove that the false statements were made with "actual malice" or "reckless disregard for the truth".

This one is nearly impossible. It's why magazines and tabloids can post straight lies about celebrities and not get sued into oblivion.

Sky would have to go down the "reckless disregard for the truth" route, but even that route involves looking at past publications and viewing whether the person has a history of disregard for truth. The word reckless is what makes it difficult because it needs to be at a clear and extreme level.

3/4 will not cut it and the charges would likely be dropped after an extended court battle.

[–]MrCurler 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

In his post he mentions how Smash Capps didn't reach out for the other side and didn't pay any attention to the actual truth of the situation (otherwise he would have looked for Sky and MacD's opinions). Instead he posted on Reddit where Sky's reputation can get tarnished and it could lead to Sky losing subscribers/viewers and in turn revenue. I'm no laywer and I know very little about the law but even in the four points you posted I think he has a case.

If I'm wrong or misunderstanding please let me know

[–]idk982 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if he didn't look for Sky or MacD's opinions, the story called at LEAST 3 other people "witnesses" and not ONE of them was asked for a quote or a comment or even a confirmation they were there.

[–]LudwigAhgren [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Reckless disregard requires extremely solid evidence. I don't think most judges would consider that reckless, but rather poor journalism.

[–]Richitt 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

One thing I'm upset about is how smashcapps didn't bother asking for sky's side, almost on purpose, as if she already made the judgment to believe sparky without hearing both sides of the story.

[–]TheGodKira 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

While I think this is very brave of you to do this, I feel that this is not the right place to have questions thrown at you. I think you should keep this a private matter between those involved and yourself, rather than let a situation like this go more public.

[–]EnRainbows 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think due to the fact that they were both accused of this without their point of view represented, it's fair that Sky gets to do this.

[–](NoahSantos) 0103-9693-0695noahboah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup.

Wild accusations that may or may not be true were thrown at Sky Williams and MacD on public forum. Sky's response here is more reactive to those claims, rather than proactive. He has every right to defend himself from a trail by the public.

That being said, I do wish everything will remain private following this. I hope everything can be resolved peacefully and all affected parties get the recourse they need.

[–]The_King_Crimson 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair he's only posting this on Reddit because the other guy did it first without giving Sky or MacD the opportunity to defend themselves. He just made a thread of wild accusations that stayed up for hours.

[–]idk982 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

AND made it to the front page of reddit, causing thousands upon thousands of viewers.

[–]Prophet6000 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

This really should of been handled in private after reading both parts idk what to believe lol. Good luck to all involved gonna go play smash.

[–]NNID:pidgezero_one||3DS:3110-7180-7058||Brawl/PM:5202-9106-3435MoonbasesYourComment 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

idk what to believe lol.

That's not a bad thing. These situations are rarely black and white. But everything is on the table so you can make your own judgments.

[–]idk982 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It should have been but Sparky and Capps decided not to and now, it's only fair that Sky get the same platform they used in order to refute a claim that got so much attention via reddit.

[–]netplay-euadamkex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, whoever thought it was a good idea to post these allegations on reddit isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[–]ChiboSempai[🍰] 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

I've only read MacD's side so far, and my only question to it so far is "Sky thought it would be a good move to help us become friends again after the previous instances." What previous instances? Based on MacD's side of the story, it sounds like nothing bad ever happened. The only potential thing was the Halloween night, but if someone acts a bit much while drunk one night, I doubt that's enough to ruin a friendship over to the point of loaning rent money to help fix it.

[–]gregidot[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Due to brandons lack of passion for the subject while he was living with us (IE saying that he felt really attacked and scared but then the next day inviting MacD out to eat) I approached him and asked him if he'd like me to do anything about it. I offered him money to go home and after both of those were denied I said 'Perhaps communicating in a clear line would be better - I think you guys actually would be great friends'.

on my stream they frequently would appear behind me and make jokes and have fun. Both of them - it wasn't out of the question for me to believe like they could actually be friends.

[–]gooncat2 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

exactly what i was thinking

[–]Polynia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They lived together, obviously they had some bad interactions before, especially considering their personalities, where one seems to be all touchy and the other more reserved.

[–]idk982 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sounds to me from Sky's side, by instances he meant "The times where you cuddled and then Brandon hated you the next day and complained" sounds like sky was trying to maintain a friendship, where Brandon wanted affection and then the next day decided he didn't enjoy it anymore and hated MacD, he was trying to give them a basis for JUST being friends, Brandon got upset at his own choices, Sky knew Mac probably wasn't as sensitive as Brandon and thought maybe the whole thing would stop being such a big thing if MacD just gave in and was the bigger man.

[–]The_King_Crimson 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

All I can hope for at this point is that everything is handled professionally and with some amount of tact.

[–]lit afnordanix 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

get ur popcorn boys, shits about to get lit

[–]DragonEevee1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its a terrible situation were in, but popcorn will be strong here.

[–]Hypnotoad___ 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think that you acted negligently, Sky, but you don't seem to be refuting that MacD made unwanted advances on Brandon, one of which (the Halloween story) could definitely be considered sexual assault. I think that you were wrongly demonized, but I also think that MacD made some serious errors and should own up to them.

[–]gregidot[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay - Sure. I'm not here to defend sexual abuse, or macD or anything. I'm only here to Clear my name and to prove that Brandon has said things that simply aren't true.

[–]idk982 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But at the same time if Brandon is saying he's uncomfortable and feeling attacked, why does he repeatedly climb into MacD's bed, or is found cuddling with him around the house? Allowing something to happen then changing your mind AFTER the fact and being mad, is NOT assault and it's bullshit to frame it that way.

Sky didn't refute that Brandon felt uncomfortable by MacD's advances, he doesn't know how he felt, but he knows that while he was claiming how uncomfortable he felt, he was then found cuddling with the guy he says made him uncomfortable.

[–]YumYumRice 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

The real question is, where is JaRule at to help me make sense of all this?!

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL I DIDNT THINK I COULD LAUGH BUT SHIT

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.

[–]duckhunttoptier 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

I feel like MacD didn't intend to cause any problems, didn't try to rape anybody, it just got uncomfortable and people didn't realize. Everybody fucked up now can we eat cookies and make fun of minecraft lets plays again

[–]NNID:pidgezero_one||3DS:3110-7180-7058||Brawl/PM:5202-9106-3435MoonbasesYourComment 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

can we eat cookies and make fun of minecraft lets plays again

Now THIS I'll drink to.

[–]duckhunttoptier 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

care for a drink of some top notch wine from the finest vineyards of northern italy?

[–]NNID:pidgezero_one||3DS:3110-7180-7058||Brawl/PM:5202-9106-3435MoonbasesYourComment 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll take twenty!

...I may have a problem.

[–]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qY4wPF-4FY-TheLethalAlphX- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

eat cookies and make fun of minecraft lets plays again

change it to watch and enjoy minecraft lets plays and you'll be accurately describing the average age of the subreddit.

[–]my bSnipey13 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I sympathize with you here, but I don't believe this should be a Q&A. You've told your side of the story, and I hope this turns out well, but I don't know if it should be done this way before everything is sorted out. Best of luck.

[–]MasterLawlz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is a subreddit about a game series where Mario fights Pacman why the fuck is there so much sexual assault drama here

[–]NNID:pidgezero_one||3DS:3110-7180-7058||Brawl/PM:5202-9106-3435MoonbasesYourComment [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

For everyone wondering how this was "allowed" to happen in the first place: I don't know when the hell you guys started visiting here, but a little over a year ago, the mod team permitted no less than 3 women to post their testimonies of sexual harassment by Alex Strife, one of which contained a screenshot of only four lines. Both Winnarly and myself stayed up all night helping them post their threads (one had never used Reddit and another was unfamiliar with global rules). This subreddit team has historically been very good to sexual assault victims, and in our minds there was a precedent to letting Capps submit her post. Capps' only interest was in standing up and protecting someone who had nobody else on his side in what seemed, to her, like a horrible situation -- this is by FAR not the first time she has lent a helping hand to a smasher in need when the cards were stacked against them, and she's here being accused of "only caring about drama".

There are no winners here, but if you as an outsider want to go and make a villain out of anyone involved, you're no better than anyone in this story. If you believe in innocent until proven guilty, then you should treat each participant's actual motives with that mindset. For example, I believed Brandon, as I believe innocent until proven guilty also applies to complainants and not just the accused, but had no interest in condemning MacD or Sky until they had their chance to talk.

It's unfortunate that people who suffer assault will never be able to speak out about it in that manner again, but there are plenty of other channels to do it on, I guess.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So then - whats your current belief?

[–]NNID:pidgezero_one||3DS:3110-7180-7058||Brawl/PM:5202-9106-3435MoonbasesYourComment [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't know. I'm not on anyone's side right now. If Brandon is pressing charges he should do so through the proper authorities so this can be decided by a FAIR trial and not be intimidated out of doing so. That's why I always express belief in the complainant without taking any action whatsoever against the accused, so that they actually get to that point.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's fair. my point of my post was that nobody should be on my side because I shouldn't have a side because I didn't do anything wrong.

Thats my frustrating point.

[–]NNovis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Okay, I have a huge issue with this because, if there is a situation where someone is being victimized in such a fashion, Reddit is not equipped to handle it. I sincerely doubt anyone has the knowledge, training, or discipline to even attempt to parse through what is going on and what needs to change. Honestly, I have NO FAITH in the general public to do that. All of this seems extremely reactionary.

[–]Knee to Falcon Punch to Down TauntCaptainZer0dew 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Has this (or will this) affected any of the other people living with you or the people who work with you in content making?

Also, I am really loving the honesty you're giving us.

[–]Austinz611 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's amazing how the story changes once actual facts come out. Good on you for taking the time out of your day to publicly address this situation. I hope it hasn't been too stressful for you, and everyone can put this behind them and move on with their lives. I hope if anything illegal actually went down those who did it are punished in accordance with the law.

[–]CrimePilots 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wasn't apart of this event, so i wont be making any judgements. But, it seems strange that these accusations would be made for no reason. And if they did happen, lying and saying that they didnt is no bueno. Again i know nothing except the statements each party has made, so i'll keep quiet until this is all dealt with.

[–]wZtk64 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow, this is brutal. I was friends with Brandon in 2nd grade, I think he moved and then I didn't see him again until high school, but he seemed like a really nice guy still. I was pretty introverted so I didn't know him well, but it sucks to see this have to happen. With a big backing behind you Sky, you have to realize this will probably affect him very negatively. Even after reading the whole twitlonger I feel like I don't know the whole story, but I can't help but feel bad for Brandon. I like you too Sky so I hope this ends well for both parties, but with how this is going I can't see that happening.

[–]shadow2684 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

"These post Doc smash kids are not and never will be apart of the actual smash family. They can think they are but they are not."

Way to try to divide the community eh? So if you didn't play smash competitively before the Doc you're not part of the "smash family"? Fuck off with that mentality, and your stupid guilt tripping of "I never had Reddit's favor". Otherwise I think you're a cool guy Sky but stuff like that makes me dislike you. First of all you're not very open to criticism in your commentary as seen in G3 where people felt uncomfortable about your comments to people's likeness. People will aways give you a first try but your attitude after G3 from feedback and complaints put you in a negative spot in R/smashbros but not one where we're blatantly saying "Screw Sky that Sexual assault/enablist arse".

And then trying to divide people who got the world of smash introduced by an amazing documentary is even worse. God forbid there should be new people entering a community. Sure with new people there will be stubborn assholes and bad people but then you dismiss all the people that are nice and generally good in the community just because they're "documentary kids".

Reddit is a fickle bitch, no doubt about it. But let's not pretend they're always against you, people reacted badly @ first cause the evidence that was presented was stacked against you even before you had a chance to respond (BUT even then people were mostly objective such as myself, not 100% of people are going to be objective) and then it didn't help that you responded in a very bad manner saying you didn't want drama and then to make a video (you were emotional at the time and that is forgiven, being accused of enabling sexual assault when you've been a victim yourself is quite the shocker). But stop the guilt tripping shit that you think people have against you. Of course not everyone will like you, that's an inevitability, but most people aren't biased against you as you seem to think. I honestly think that Brandon was being self abusive after reading all of the statements of everyone, and that you didn't enable sexual assault. As for the Mac D unsolicited touching, that isn't ok but if he went to be touchy with Mac D then I can't see why there's a problem to begin with tbh. He sounds like he has a slight stockholm syndrome with Mac D or is bipolar.

Anyways, I hope you stick to your word of being less in drama (hopefully people don't drag you into them), and that everything goes well overall but someone looks to get the short end of the stick. Anyways that's my small rant on your guilt tripping shit that I honestly dislike.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Divide the community? It's already divided. We have the Melee kids. Brawl kids. PM kids. Smash 4 Kids. we're all kids. We're all nerds. We are divided and we've been that way since brawls release.

When I say post doc kids I mean the people who saw the documentary and decided YEAH FUCK BRAWL LETS GO MELEE.

its kinda like the people who say 2 pac is the best rapper.

That's just safe to say around the internet - but if you ask them to name 5 of his songs they can't.

or like when people say 'blah blah our generation of music sucks i love the beatles thats when music was good'

they just want these easy to latch on to opinions. Those are post doc kids. not people who've joined right after - but people who are just sheep. Thats it.

And I'm not guilt tripping anything - im generally disliked in this reddit but after doing my research many of the top comments of people who don't like me always have that added 'go back to league where you came from' or ' Sky shouldn't use his league fame to get into smash'.

Those people. They exist - a lot of em here. I should have every reason to believe that they don't like me - but they are also ignorant so it can't be helped.

[–]MsArya [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I can't see why there's a problem to begin with tbh. He sounds like he has a slight stockholm syndrome with Mac D or is bipolar.

Dont pull stuff out of your ass dude. It doesn't sound like either of those

[–]shadow2684 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm just giving my view as someone who read all of the points, I mean I don't know the truth so it's hard to figure out which is truth or not but if he was given an option to leave the person who's assaulting him and didn't take it? I don't see how that's a smart decision.

[–]JibYrale [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I couldn't be bothered to read your wall of text, but given the gravity of the discussion here being offended by whether or not reddit or whatever is part of the "smash community" strikes me as really petty and stupid. It's a conversation for a different place, and I'm not even sure Sky would feel that exact way if the conversation was in a different context.

[–]Wariosmustache 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

In the previous thread, you posted a comment that I found deeply concerning, and would like your clarification on:

It's a large part of the thread, but it can be found in this screen shot: https://archive.is/XtWzM#selection-11711.0-11726.0

Okay. Mac D didn't rape him. Sexual assault maybe but it wasn't rape I can promise you.

Yet in your report, one of your concluded statements was:

Sexual assault is never okay. Rape is never okay. From where I stood - I didn't see Sexual assault.

What changed in the few hours between the first and second such that it went from a "maybe" to a "definitely not"?

Also, are you still considering defamation charges, and will it depend on the police report being filed against MacD?

EDIT: I thank you all for bringing possible legitimate explanations to my attention, but I would still like to hear what he has to say. That is the purpose of this thread after all, and I want to be positive I'm not misconstruing anything.

[–]SirFancyWolf 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sky is stating in the first quote that B was not Raped, but could MacD's actions have been classified as sexual harrassment? Possibly, but it was not rape.

Then he furthers that by saying neither are ok, but from his PoV i did not appear to be assault and both parties seemed flirtatious.

[–]UberMadman 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I won't ever testify to MacD sexually assaulting them because I'd only hear the after math - and the one time I saw Brandon feel weird D1 And I tried to stop it.

I think these are the key words you are missing here. Sky said that if there was Sexual Assault that ocurred, he did not witness it nor did he condone it. However, he didn't want to say sexual assault didn't happen on the off chance that he was somehow unaware of it.

[–]SirFancyWolf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

but from his PoV i did not appear to be assault and both parties seemed flirtatious.

Yeah I gotchu, From his perspective nothing that he was exposed to between the 2 of them would be considered harassment in his eyes, and they stopped it as soon as they saw it getting bad (in the situation with D1).

My concern is the drastic differences in story of that night from B and Sky.

[–]idk982 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I personally see that as Sky saying maybe Brandon saw it as sexual assault, he's not inside his head so he doesn't know but maybe that's how he felt but nobody else saw it that way.

I mean, if someone assaults you, are you really gonna climb into his bed, with witnesses, and cuddle with him the next day? There's tolerating your assaulter and then there's climbing into bed with him when you don't even share the same bedroom.

[–]shamrockstriker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can someone explain to me what the fuck happened? I read it and I'm kinda totally lost?

[–]Raloosh [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Reading through all this was an adventure. I'm not sure what to say on MacD or Brandon's part, but it is quite obviously true that you did not neglect him or tell him not to tell anyone, sweep it under the rug, etc.

I really am sorry that you've had to be dragged into this. I may think you can be obnoxious sometimes, but I also think you're otherwise a good person. Again, it really sucks that your name had to be dragged in the mud. It also makes the rest of his story very suspicious. Well, we'll see what happens from here.

[–]JurgaBurgaFlintines [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is none of my business

[–]astrnght_mike_dexter [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I haven't read through all of this yet but so far it seems like a lot of victim blaming and Sky not understanding consent.

[–]FernanDeath [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Glad you at least had the chance to tell us your story.

[–]I found 20XXCrawfiish [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm so sorry you have to deal with this shit Sky. Long time fan here, letting you know I'm still here. People are going to be using this as more fuel against you, and I can't imagine how it feels to know that you've lost a fan as a result. Good on you for fighting back. You made a decision that was definitely hard to make when you don't want to be associated with all the YouTube drama going on already that you've barely dodged (LoL youtubers, Leafy vs h3h3, ect)

[–]swan5753 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

uhhhh im so out of the loop right now can someone give me the TLDR

[–]C4FairyLord [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Report No need for more witch hunting this is reddit, not the public bathroom back in the 1940s

[–]Nuevepeanutbutter1236 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Thank you for the info. I respect you for actually being completely open and serious about it even when it comes to the parts I'm sure are sensitive and hard for you to share

Respect bro and I hope it all turns out good for you

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There are a few things that I have in my back pocket that I need to keep private but - I appreciate this.

[–]RitakaRex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for seriously laying down each and every point and clearing this up for everyone, fans and people of any and all communities alike, and sticking to your guns. What you've done is admirable and I seriously, 100% look up to you way more than I ever have. Not only as a content creator, but a person. Keep it real.

[–]Tamus_Aran [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If MacD needed an excuse to learn to stop being so randomly touchy and groppy with ppl, this will be it.

[–]krillindude829 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What happened on Halloween? MacD just says something like, "I was drunk and don't remember", when that was the central night of Sparky's story.

[–]gregidot[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't know. All I know for Sure is that they were out side alone for no more than 1-2 minutes, brandon came inside, and then mac D. neither seemed distressed. I kept playing league.

[–]googlemynumber 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

wtf?

[–]oblock300x420x69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brandon has no factual evidence that anything ever happened. Like it or not, the burden of proof is on the accuser in US justice system, and it looks like sky and MacD just tore apart anything Brandon had. Niggas went Phoenix Wright up in here

[–]marcelperez24 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

I dont know who MacD is but anyone who touches someone without their consent is an disgusting human being, anyone who says "its how he expressess himself" are also terrible human beings.

AND HOW THE FUCK SRE YOU PEOPLE CALLING IT DRAMA??? ITS A SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE AND ALL YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IS YOUTUBE DRAMA???

It is a given since THIS was posted here and people who are fans of either person are going to ignore the actual accusation and just hope their favorite youtuber isnt an accomplice in this since they dont care about the victim.

as a fan of Sky i'm disgusted at him and the fans on how they're handling this.

Sky, would you please deal with this like an ADULT instead of posting in a stupid imageboard full of 12 year olds who dont even know what sex means? Having an echo chamber of hugbox fans to hear you out wont do shit in a court case, you're HURTING the community by giving attention to this like you're doing (Sparky also was dumb by posting here)

tldr: stop being a child and responding to children and DEAL WITH IT like the adults you are and when its OVER come back to tell us what happened.

EDIT: GETTING DOWNVOTED FOR WANTING THIS TO BE DEALT THIS LIKE ADULTS INSTEAD OF GOSSIP SMH

[–]gregidot[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Posting like a child? I posted what I did in a very mature and organized manor. You're just jumping on this train because it's much easier to say this then actually deal with the evidence right in front of your face.

[–]marcelperez24 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

maybe "like a child" wasnt a correct term but imo having everyone tell their side of the story will only cause a divide between fans and cause arguments and feud. (I know this isnt your fault) And this should have been kept under the wraps and revealed when the case was actually finished. It IS a delicate subject especially for Sparky right now but I dont approve of posting ANYTHING like this on smash reddit when the average age starts at 12 or so, people asking for opinions (and most of them see it as drama) shows the maturity and seriousness most people are taking. Having to repeat "no witch hunting" says alot too about this topic being posted here.

But yeah, hope everything gets cleared and everyone gets what they deserve when the truth comes out (the only person I knew of this fiasco was you so i'm not biased to either player purely by whom I am fan of since i'm not a sheep)

but yeah like many others have said, the less you say the better, clear up your name when the situation gets cleared up, trying to explain this on the middle of a shitstorm wont help much.

But thats just my opinion.

[–]MsArya [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

clear up your name when the situation gets cleared up, trying to explain this on the middle of a shitstorm wont help much.

Wouldn't that just cause a bunch of people to be saying "Why is sky stirring up all this drama now?" And he would also be taking a massive hit to his reputation for no real reason

[–]idk982 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So every friend and relative that ever hugs you asks permission first? Every pat on the back? Every time someone comes up behind you and tickles? Starts massaging? Every cuddle you've ever had? They ALWAYS ask permission? No.

Someone touches you and you don't like it, you tell them to stop and so far, two smash players have said they were touched, didn't like it, told him to stop and he DID, he respected them. Brandon never told him to stop, multiple witnesses have said so, he complained to sky and then immediately went and found MacD to cuddle with in bed. That's called Mixed Signals "Don't touch me, let's cuddle"

Sky posted here because the post made yesterday got the front page of reddit and was seen by several thousand people and Sky, at the very least has the RIGHT to try and reach those same people with his version of events, instead of having thousands of people walk away going "Huh so sky enables rape, cool"

[–]NNovis -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

MODS! Make a damn decision and stick with it! Stop dipping your toes in the water. Have ANYONE talked to lawyers yet? Has anyone thought this through at all? I think the apology needs to come from the mods at this point.

[–]Winnarly 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Actually, yeah. I think at this point everyone has talked to lawyers, but Sky still really wanted to get his word in.

[–]NNovis -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Then I won't say anymore but this: you guys seriously dropped a ball here. If there were in fact "victims", you damaged any credibility and ability to come forward in the court of law to stop more victims from being so. If this is all horribly taken out of context, you damaged many people reputations for no reason other than "we wanted to break the story first". Bad job.

[–]FunctionFn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"we wanted to break the story first"

Both parties approach us on their own accord. We have never pushed either party to post, and it took a lot of convincing on Sky's part to have us allow this post.

[–]NNID:pidgezero_one||3DS:3110-7180-7058||Brawl/PM:5202-9106-3435MoonbasesYourComment 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

We honestly don't care who gets what story first.

[–]AcousticConfusion 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh shut up. The mods are doing a wonderful job. This will be deleted in 2 hours and you can go find something else to bicker about.

[–]tokyoutea 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This matter was sorted legally, Sky got permission from his lawyer to publish this. It's the time for him to sort out public opinion.

[–]sds_phage -5ポイント-4ポイント  (26子コメント)

So I'm not a part of the Smash community and I know nothing about any of these people involved other than Sky. I'm a huge Sky fan. Have been for years. And I've gotta say man -- this sucks. I'm so sick of this weird drama that YouTubers keep getting wrapped up in. Sky -- I gotta level with you. When you did your video a day for a whole month I fell in love with your channel and your content all over again. I couldn't wait for the next video to come out. But this is stupid. And I'm | | this close to unsubscribing from all of your media outlets. Pull it together man and get away from this stupid stuff.

[–]basedgodsenpai [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What are you talking about? Sky was dragged into this drama. How can he help that he was falsely accused as ignoring the "sexual assault"? You make no sense at all lmfao

[–]sds_phage [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

He could have in turn ignored the drama. If he truly did nothing wrong why get involved this deeply? And why associate with people who are going to start this drama in the first place?

[–]basedgodsenpai [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If someone seeks out to tarnish your reputation on a platform you use as a source of income are YOU going to ignore it? Of course not.

If you're a real estate agent and a rival realtor digs up some dirt about you and uses it to tarnish your reputation in the realty community and nobody buys a house from you anymore, are you going to simply ignore it or are you going to try and prove yourself right? You're (hopefully, if you're sane) going to prove yourself right because that's your source of income and you're great at doing your job.

That's the exact same position Sky is in.

Furthermore, how could he possibly know this was going to happen? You make literally no sense and your logic is so backwards it irks me.

[–]SirFancyWolf -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

This isnt even Sky's fault... Hes getting pulled into this because of the false accusations put towards MacD, and because he was the owner of the house at the time.

Its also not uncommon for big E-celebs to get wrapped up in drama because people who actually dislike Sky will do w/e malicious thing they can to defame him.

If you really enjoy Sky's content and call yourself a fan of his then none of this should effect you, he is just trying to make sure his name isnt drug through the dirt for something he didn't do. Instead of saying your going to unsubscribe from him because people keep throwing drama his way why dont you act like a real fan and support him with all this mess. He didnt ask for any of this, and blaming him by unsubbing or unfollowing only hurts him more.

[–]Hypnotoad___ 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hes getting pulled into this because of the false accusations put towards MacD

Who said the accusations are false? All we have now is a he-said-she-said situation. Either side could be telling the truth.

[–]sds_phage [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is the point I'm (very poorly) trying to make. What actually happened hardly even matters, as borderline sociopathic as that sounds. My point is -- why is Sky even involved with this sort of thing? I know it happened in the past and he's trying to move on but c'mon.

[–]My tag is Pinkr4wrFox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because smashcapps said, and i quote, "[Sky] actively pushed the victim to not report anything" regarding sexual abuse. This is especially something you'd expect him to react to, because as a fan you'd know that Sky is a rape victim, and it would only make sense he'd be very sensitive on the subject.

[–]BmorePride14 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Sorry, I ultimately agree that if he enjoys the content and believes Sky was not in the wrong, he should continue to support him.

HOWEVER, making blanket statements like "This isnt even Sky's fault... Hes getting pulled into this because of the false accusations put towards MacD.." is not a good way to put it. You have no idea if these accusations are false or not. So don't state that as a fact. Also, just because you're a "real fan" doesn't mean you will support someone no matter what they do or what drama follows them around. There is always a point where you are simply put off. Again, try to avoid blanket statements..ESPECIALLY when such little is known at this point. Sometimes you just have to tune it out to avoid the negativity, if anything, and if he is close to that point than so be it. Maybe when more comes out he will feel better and continue to support.

[–]sds_phage [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You make some good points Bmore, thanks for your input. I want to keep supporting Sky and I plan to. I'm just frustrated.

[–]sds_phage -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't want to unsub from him. But all of this hurts his channel and his content. He should be an adult and a professional and not even have any of this happening in the first place. Wanna know why pewdiepie doesn't have anyone starting drama with him? Because he's a professional adult.

[–]Freak404 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah just let him be known as someone who ignores sexual assault.

Are you serious? He's trying to defend himself, like any person would.

Also, pewdiepie gets no drama because he's too big for drama to affect him in any way.

[–]sds_phage -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not saying ignore it. I'm not saying he shouldn't defend himself. I'm just saying there are better ways to do so.

[–]Freak404 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Like for example putting online his side of the story so that everyone can form an opinion of what happened.

Listen, I understand what you mean, and I respect your opinion on the topic, but from my point of view I can't really see any other way Sky could have defended himself from being known for ignoring sexual assault on the smash community.

[–]Not interestedKipcom [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying ignore it.

He could have in turn ignored the drama.

Uh, that's actually what you said.

[–]SirFancyWolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn0y3Opb8Wk

Pewdiepie deals with it too, it has nothing to do with becoming an adult or being more professional. If you are in the public eye and popular there will always be people waiting to tear you down and trying to ruin your career. Pewdiepie is such a horrible example as well... he is one of THE biggest youtubers and the amount of hate he gets makes Hbox (top smash player who plays puff) look like hes getting picked on at the pre-school playground.

This hurts sky and his channel yes, but none of this controversy would even be out in the open if not for the hastily rushed article with only 1 side of the story calling out a top smasher for something as drastic as Sexual assault.

Someone tries calling out sexual assault charges, Sky gets pulled into the whirlwind because it "occurred" in his house, dont blame Sky. This should really have never left the privacy of a court or the parties involved, but he also had no control over that.

[–]basedgodsenpai [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Also, PewDiePie is a terrible example of this.

PDP lives in the fucking UK (thank you Google for telling me he doesn't live in Sweden anymore), presumably with just him and Marzia assuming they're still together (I stopped following him a long time ago). He doesn't have multiple people (some of which being homosexual) living with him where they party a lot and get drunk and cuddle with eachother in bunkbeds.

You're only making this comparison because they make YT videos. If that's the basis for your comparison then a red shirt and a red truck are very similar because they're the same color (hurr durr).

I don't understand how you can tell Sky you're close to unsubbing if you "love the guy," and "have been watching for years." If you were such a Sky fan you'd be on his side. I understand he's in a lot of drama but you can't always help things that happen to you. How could he have prevented his reputation being tarnished and being singled out along side MacD for his "actions,"?

[–]CarlDaWombat -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Was Sparky's Skype conversation with you legitimate?

[–]Nuevepeanutbutter1236 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read Sky's twitlonger. It was legitimate as in yes those specific messages happened according to both of them, but Sky posted many more messages that also happened