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Rob Ford's Dismal LGBT Record Needs to be Remembered (metronews.ca)

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[–]TreyBoogie -12ポイント-11ポイント  (36子コメント)

I will remember him as a man that never said anything homophobic, but was misrepresented by the media as being a homophobe for some reason.

[–]faceintheblueYonge and Eglinton 13ポイント14ポイント  (11子コメント)

Snubbing Pride four years in a row, arguing against flying Pride Flag during the Sochi Olympics saying we should fly the Canadian flag (which we were anyway), saying only Gay men get AIDS, and women get it from sleeping with Bisexual men. That's without running Google search, which would turn up a lot more. But sure, it was all the media...

[–]DeadrobotTO 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You left out his refusing to vote for FREE nurses that would have assisted with HIV+ patients within the GTA. The project was fully supported by the province (or Feds, can't remember) and would have cost the city nothing. Nope, he down voted it.

[–]VirginWizard69Seaton Village -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

saying only Gay men get AIDS

Nope. He never said this.

Gay flag during the Olympics.

He wanted the Canadian flag flown during the Olympics. Why fly the gay flag? The Canadian flag already represents equality, and it represents the view of all Canadians, not just the views of a partisan group that are a minority in Canada.

Also, some straight women do get AIDS through bisexual partners. How is that homophobic? It is true.

[–]TreyBoogie -5ポイント-4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Statistically, he was absolutely right about HIV. I looked it up and the cold hard facts support his statement. Pride is not synonymous with being gay - many people don't like the sex-themed aspect of that parade. The flag is the only thing that might be slightly homophobic.

[–]Dumebuggy 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

I looked it up and the cold hard facts support his statement.

Mind posting those 'cold hard facts' that you found?

[–]TreyBoogie 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html

Gay men account for 63% of new infections. Injection drug users are another 8%.

[–]canashian 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

  1. That's in the United States. HIV/AIDS is a worldwide phenomenon, and the rates of new infections vary by country.

  2. 63% of new infections does not mean "only gay men" get AIDS. Gay men make up 54% of all HIV/AIDS cases in the United States.

[–]TreyBoogie 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

The trend is true in Canada too: http://librarypdf.catie.ca/pdf/ATI-40000s/40239_C.pdf

He never said only gay men get HIV. He said if you're not gay or a drug user, you probably won't get it. Looking at the stats, that is undeniable.

[–]canashian 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is what he said:

"IF YOU ARE NOT DOING NEEDLES AND YOU ARE NOT GAY, YOU WOULDN'T GET AIDS PROBABLY. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.... HOW ARE WOMEN GETTING IT? MAYBE THEY ARE SLEEPING WITH BISEXUAL MEN."

He's not exactly making a nuanced statistical argument here. MSM and intravenous drug users being at a higher risk doesn't mean people that aren't part of those groups can't get AIDS. Over 1/4 of new infections still come from outside those groups, and in non-Western countries it's even higher.

[–]TreyBoogie 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Key word: probably. He was not saying that you have to be gay to get HIV, just that its unlikely. This is true. No one is immune, but the risk is certainly much lower for certain groups. Non-Western countries are irrelevant - we're talking about Canada

[–]canashian 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here's how you express that idea respectfully:

"Gay men and drug users are at a much higher risk of HIV/AIDS than the general population. While there is still a risk for people that are not in these groups, it is much lower."

Here's how you express that same thought in a less respectful way:

"How are women getting [AIDS]? Maybe they are sleeping with bisexual men."

[–]to_jFort York 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess calling Justin Trudeau a fag doesn't count.

[–]mybadalternate 5ポイント6ポイント  (18子コメント)

Would you agree about his description of Justin Trudeau?

[–]TreyBoogie -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

No but I don't think using 'fag' once makes someone homophobic.

[–]mybadalternate 3ポイント4ポイント  (15子コメント)

You think that was the only time he ever said anything like that?

[–]TreyBoogie 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

How would I know? Its the only instance I've ever heard of.

[–]mybadalternate 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

What could convince you that Rob Ford viewed homosexuality as a bad thing?

[–]TreyBoogie 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

If he actually said something about viewing homosexuality as a bad thing, or did something that reflected that view.

[–]TheArgsenal 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ford questions a grant for a video about homosexuality in Toronto's South Asian community, telling The National Post: "I have no problem giving money out to physically or mentally handicapped children or seniors, but spending $5,000 on this video is disgusting, it is absolutely disgusting to spend this amount of money on this, whatever it was called, video."

What about calling a video about homosexuality disgusting?

[–]TreyBoogie 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Read that quote again. He's saying spending money on a video is disgusting.

[–]TheArgsenal 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

He doesn't think it's disgusting to spend it on physically or mentally handicapped children or seniors but he does think it's disgusting to spend it on a video about homesexuality. I wonder why.

[–]mybadalternate 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even then, I'm sure you'd find a way to move them goalposts.

[–]TreyBoogie 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nope. I already said the flag issue seemed slightly homophobic, but that's the only thing. How about you? Do you view Rob's statements on HIV as homophobic, even though I posted the stats that back him up?

[–]mybadalternate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see them as insensitive and dismissive.

[–]VirginWizard69Seaton Village 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly. We need to look at entrenched, repeated behaviour. Who hasn't said something that he later regrets saying? We need to look at all the evidence, not just something someone said while drunk in a bar while being secretely recorded.

[–]TreyBoogie 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its crazy how easily they will label someone a homophobe, based on nothing. I'm sure none of these people have ever once said some possibly offensive term in the course of their life.

[–]VirginWizard69Seaton Village 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is so true. Keep fighting the good fight.

[–]VirginWizard69Seaton Village 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said.

[–]DroopyTrashCorktown [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You need to stay in World Ward 2.