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​Donald J. Trump Statement Regarding AbortionTREMENDOUS! (donaldjtrump.com)

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[–]zerofuxstillhungry 143ポイント144ポイント  (112子コメント)

Can't believe he walked Into Matthew's trap. FUCK!

[–]ohaikekCT 84ポイント85ポイント  (17子コメント)

Exactly what I was just saying. He fell into a trap of logic over a very sensitive subject. This is very bad for swing voters and lib's that do like Trump's positions and/or message. His mouth cannot afford to give the media or all the other enemies an inch because they are going to run with it like they already are with the message women should be punished for abortion, illegal or not. He's giving me angina.

[–]ZachPhrostUSA 50ポイント51ポイント  (14子コメント)

Yes, Trump just gave Hillary the soundbite she's going to play in every single ad from now until November. He needs a diversion.

[–]Occams_Lazor_ 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cue the final shoe dropping in the El Rato sexcapades in three...two...

[–]Katfish29CA 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

I dont disagree. I think that the quick fire questioning had him in a logical quagmire. That said, I don't think what he said was totally bad. I honestly think that his statement may have been the mistake. Whether you are pro-life or pro-abortion, it shouldn't matter. For example, I think something along these lines would have been more beneficial: "If Federal or State government were to make abortions illegal and it was upheld in court, there would have to be consequences for whomever broke the law. In this case, the doctor that would be committing malpractice and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law that was passed. That said, the woman seeking the abortion must claim some responsibility for the action. For if it were not for her wanting the abortion, the malpractice wouldn't have been needed. Thusly, both parties were breaking the law. I couldn't imagine a 16 year old girl in a panic, being sent to prison for murder; but we also must acknowledge that there are consequences for our actions. The penalties should be determined by legislature, and left up to the States."

I think vagueness could have been his friend here frankly. I know we all want a more direct up front response immediately. But walking back what he said in the interview makes it look like Chris Matthews pulled one over on him.

[–]MAGA-EliteFL 18ポイント19ポイント  (10子コメント)

Dude he said women should face "some form of punishment" and it's on camera. There's no spin, he has to retract and amend, period. This campaign statement is a start. Even hardcore pro-life activist groups have put out press releases criticizing what he said.

[–]sjw_modsUSA 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I seriously see no problem with what he said. If it's illegal, yes, they should. Why do we now give in to the /r/pussypass

[–]Katfish29CA 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right? It seems to me that it is logical... That is what a law is. It must be obeyed, or there is a consequence. I would like to see the doctors held to a higher penalty. I don't know that we need a bunch of 16 year old girls thrown in prison over it... But I certainly can see there being some sort of punishment... Community service or a fine or something. I don't know, but there has to be something to make the law actually make sense.

[–]Occams_Lazor_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because pro-life groups have determined that the best way to get more people on their side is to be as compassionate as possible. That doesn't make their position inherently logical.

This was a pure trap question. It's not like that's a bad thing, it's just bad that Donald wasn't prepared.

[–]Katfish29CA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks!

He certainly could have handled the question better. BUT the way it was posed, would have resulted in a scandal no matter what. If he said no, then Matthews would have said "So you don't think there should be punishment for women who break the law?" then he would have to back track there too. He took the stance of the debate he has stood behind the entire campaign. I think we all know that he won't be throwing girls in prison for having an abortion. But frankly if it is determined to be against the law, there would have to be a form of punishment... Otherwise, there is no law.

[–]CowboyNinjaAstronaut 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even hardcore pro-life activist groups have put out press releases criticizing what he said.

Which proves they're not very hardcore. March for Life just proved all they care about is being seen fighting, not actually winning. Cuckservatives exposed.

[–]jhvjgfjfgvnbv -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. Abortion activism IMO is just a way for self-righteous people to get attention. Sorry if I offended someone.

[–]Katfish29CA -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

"If Abortion were made illegal, should women face punishment"

Breaking the law requires punishment, otherwise there is no law. Like I said, I think this was a mistake in the way he approached it. But you can't say that under the context of the question he was wrong.

Edit: I think the doctors under the law would be those who would be punished. Please don't get me wrong here. but if it was illegal, wouldn't the woman be breaking the law also?

[–]CowboyNinjaAstronaut 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The entire point of social laws in the US is that women never be held accountable for their actions.

[–]Katfish29CA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, apparently everyone here hates the fact that people should face punishments for their actions... I am being down voted like hell. I am somewhat confused about this. I am not advocating for people rounding up women who had abortions and throwing them in prison. But if it is determined to be illegal, there has to be a consequence. Otherwise it isn't a law... I don't understand how this can be logically refuted.

[–]Downbound92 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Asked how a ban would actually work, Trump said, “Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places but we have to ban it.”

On whether he believes there should be punishment for abortion if it were illegal: “There has to be some form of punishment,” Trump said. “For the woman?” Matthews asked. “Yeah,” Trump said, nodding.

Sorry, where was the trap? Couldn't he have just said "no" to Matthews' question?

[–]mellofello808 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just lost a lot of respect for him. I was coming around to some of his ideas but as a pro choice person he lost me entirely.

[–]fdsa4324 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, pretty naive not to see how msm will spin this

[–]Trumpisawinner2 11ポイント12ポイント  (83子コメント)

What was exactly said by the Don?

[–]scoby_dooby_doo 42ポイント43ポイント  (81子コメント)

That abortion should be illegal, and that women should be punished for getting an abortion. It's all over the news and filling up the new que in /r/politics.

[–]Trumpisawinner2 57ポイント58ポイント  (66子コメント)

Why the fuck did he say that? I just don't get it. Yesterday, he said that he is okay with Japan and Korea having nukes. Today he says women should be punished if abortion were illegal. What the fuck is going on.

[–]The_Alpha_Bro 22ポイント23ポイント  (16子コメント)

I just said in another thread that Trump may be a mad genius, but I don't know how anyone could let the words "women need to be punished" come out of their mouth. Oi vey.

[–]Trumpisawinner2 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, big mistake. Hope he recovers. Let's see. Either way, I don't care anymore. He is the only candidate who doesn't pander, who isn't bought and is economically literate. If America wants someone else in the end, well we deserve whoever we vote into office. God save us if it is Hillary. 65,000 refugees and 11 million immigrants. LOL.

[–]Hawkman003CA 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck that's one depressing "LOL". WE DON'T DESERVE HILLARY! :(

[–]throww_uh_way 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump is a MESS. (at the moment)

[–]Occams_Lazor_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't actually say those words exactly. Matthews essentially forced it out of him. But he did say something to the effect

[–]Nemo_Lemonjello -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

"Women need to be punished when they commit a crime

FTFY.

This is all over a hypothetical situation, what would Trump do if congress made abortion illegal. Every asshole out there is ignoring that fact, and using this as some kind of "oh he's so sexist" horseshit.

Calm your tits, bro.

[–]The_Alpha_Bro 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

You fixed nothing. The quote will be "Women need to be punished". That's my point. Woosh.

[–]Nemo_Lemonjello -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or, now try to follow me here, we could get out there and make sure everyone knows what the real statement is.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-abortion

[–]The_Alpha_Bro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That statement is damage control and is backing up my original comment that he should not have let those words slip out.

There's not really an argument here, go spread your word my bro.

[–]Reluctant_swimmerVA 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The idiots that make up a lot of this nation just work off the headlines though, they don't realize it was a hypothetical.

[–]Nemo_Lemonjello -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah that's true. there are people and media shills already posing this story everywhere.

YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO NAVIGATORS!

[–]lordx3n0saeon 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

Japan and Korea having nukes is fine IMO.

[–]Trumpisawinner2 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem is he said he is against non proliferation and then said he is fine with some countries having it. Either way, I don't really care. I vote for him because of his integrity not because of his policies. But other dumb people would be willing to vote for a corrupt hack if they don't like any of his ideas.

[–]plus1zero 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said they'd get them anyway and if they had them to defend themselves, he was okay with it

[–]lordx3n0saeon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's completely right though.

Building nukes is EASY these days for modern countries. If you can out a satellite in orbit you can put a nuke anywhere.

Japan has long been suspected of having black programs to rapidly assemble nukes if needed.

The point is, and trump should have worded it this way, our allies should have nukes and our enemies should not.

"Proliferation" is a one-dimension word for pundits and children, as redundant as that may be.

[–]TrumpGalNY -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It seems fine now but will we still trust them in 50 years? Who knows?

[–]ozric101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, who knows: Your argument is unfounded either way. Hind sight is always 20/20.

[–]scoby_dooby_doo 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well he was right on Japan, we pay for too much of their military and his angle is he wants to decrease military spending by letting them have their own military where they can defend themselves.

In regards to abortion, trump is just blatantly wrong.todya he said women should be punished, then immediately issued a press release saying "No doctors should be punished not wimenr". It's the first time I've seen him on damage control, but the damage is done.

Then right after that he says the Geneva conventions are "the problem". I don't know wtf is going on, but Cruz has now shot up 10 points to 40% in Wisconsin. This all will hurt him even further

[–]sjw_modsUSA 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

.now shot up 10 points to 40% in Wisconsin. T

In one poll with a 6%MOE and 300 republicans - when Wisconsin is an open primary.

[–]Occams_Lazor_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

6% margin of error? Jesus, I didn't even know they were allowed to be published if they were over 4%.

[–]sjw_modsUSA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

5.8%, but yeah, basically 6%

[–]scoby_dooby_doo 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

No I hear that, but my point is he's trending uo significantly.

Wisconsin is a must win states for Cruz, and frankly for trump as well. We have to do better than a statistical tie.

[–]sjw_modsUSA 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Actually, Trump doesn't have to win Wisconsin.

[–]scoby_dooby_doo 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No he doesn't have to but it would be a huge hit if he didn't.

[–]sjw_modsUSA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's up 30% in NY, and is going to win Cali.

[–]Trumpisawinner2 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am fine with Japan building their own military but not okay with any more countries getting nuclear. I see your point though- Most countries will have nuclear anyways.

Yeah, the abortion thing was fuck up. Hope he recovers.

[–]scoby_dooby_doo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yah but to be fair the best defense is nuclear weapons. Countries simply don't go to war when both sides have nukes. It may sound dumb but it's the reality.

[–]Occams_Lazor_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's said worse and come out stronger for it. The abortion thing is a wild care but I think we're far enough away from the general for it to not matter.

[–]pizzlewizzleAZ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have no problem with Japan and South Korea having nukes.

[–]krysatheo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same, and I don't see why his abortion statement is that big of a deal - I'm pro-choice but it makes sense to me that if you think abortion is murder, surely the woman should be held partially responsible for seeking the procedure? Of course the doctor should be punished just as much, if not more, but logically the woman is at least an accomplice to murder and that deserves some punishment, if that is your outlook.

[–]IcarusGoodmanAL 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's wrong with the nukes thing? If we can't trust Japan and Korea with nukes, then why exactly are we allies with them?

[–]John_Gulbunny 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Japan has a history of war crimes against the Chinese

[–]Trumpisawinner2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing wrong with Japs and SK having nukes. But when you say you are against proliferation but are okay with some countries having it, you look bad. He should have said that he is okay with our allies having it.

[–]TrumpGalNY 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because he really isn't pro-life. He doesn't care about this issue. He has to say he is because he's running as a Republican. He has no idea what to say so he just said what he thought they wanted to hear.

It's a shame because I watched the full clip and he started very strong by bringing up Chris Matthews being Catholic. All he had to do was not fall for the trap of saying the woman should be punished. I don't know why he couldn't dodge it.

If he's going to fall for stuff like this he needs to pull a Hillary and be much pickier about who interviews him.

[–]nztouk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah its almost like he doesn't know what he's doing!! It must be a strategy of his.

[–]ExtraRareTrumpSteakVA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it's illegal there has to be punishments. It's a loaded question

[–]wooptyfrickindooNJ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh no D:

[–]Laneofhighhopes 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Excuse me, the link to his campaign website specifically states that his stance is not to make abortion illegal, but that if it's illegal then the doctor will held responsible, not the woman.

Is there video of him saying the contrary?

Edit for spelling on mobile...

[–]Occams_Lazor_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, he said it to Chris Matthews. Didn't elaborate but he said so

[–]scoby_dooby_doo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what happened in case you missed it is he just got done with an interview with faget Chris Matthew's where he was posed a hypothetical question regarding "In a world where the law said abortion is illegal, would a girl who got an abortion be punished". Trump answered "well if you break the law there is punishment yes".

This lead to a media fury over the past hour with headlines reading "Donald Trump says women who get abortion should he punished."

Trump is doing damage control now and released a statement saying no in his plan doctors would be held liable, however it's important to note the media is too busy talking about the hypothetical Chris Matthew's hit him with since they are on a crusade to stop trump.

[–]MAGA-EliteFL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes he says on video the woman should be punished.

[–]HP844182TX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The media does not deal in nuance. Its either black or white.

[–]Nemo_Lemonjello 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Execpt he never said that abortion should be illegal, only that if it were... yada yada yada. hypothetical on top of hypothetical.

[–]scoby_dooby_doo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yah exactly, he was speaking about a hypothetical but they are punishing him pretty hard right now over it. 70% of women say they will never vote for trump, and they make up 53% of voters. This is a messaging problem which he needs to fix.

[–]SpaghettiHeads 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, so less than 24 hours ago he said the woman receiving the abortion should be punished. Now he's saying the Dr or the person performing the abortion should be punished but not the woman? How is she the victim? She should also be punished along with the doctors.

[–]AggiePetroleum 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

During the entire 1990's decade, for every 3 children conceived, 2 were aborted. Sad.

[–]Mnt-t 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where did he say women should be punished?

[–]GirtherMovementAZ 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Im pretty sure it said "the doctor should be punished, not the woman."

[–]MAGA-EliteFL 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No he said "some form of punishment" referring to the woman, it's on video and trending on Twitter atm. Statement corrects this but his original comment was clearly about the women who undergo abortions.

[–]scoby_dooby_doo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The statement he released said that, it was released right after he had an interview with Chris Matthew's where faget Chris caught him up saying they should be punished.

[–]simpleclear 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's sort of hard to say - Chris Matthews was asking the same question over and over (Don't you need legal penalties to shut down abortion clinics?) and Trump was repeating the same point over and over (Yes you need penalties, but I don't have a specific plan, aren't you Catholic, Chris?) and at one point Matthews interrupted him while he was saying "There need to be punishments" to say "Should you punish the women", and Trump repeated "There need to be punishments" before Matthews cut him off again.

Not clear whether he giving a position on punishing mothers who seek abortions, or was just getting derailed while trying to outline a larger point.

[–]thatguyehlerCAN 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

That was a tough video to watch. There's no way to spin the fact that Trump completely fucked up here - and it'll hurt him, especially with women voters. Hopefully this doesn't do too much damage.

[–]simpleclear 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

54% of women are pro-choice but only 31% of Republicans. Even if people buy the spin NARAL and Planned Parenthood are putting on this, does it actually hurt him?

[–]rolldownthewindow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have to give it up to Matthews. It's a hard question for someone who's pro-life to answer and it's also one of those issues where to win a Republican primary you have to take a position that's untenable in the general, and Matthews knew that.

[–]Fire-KeeperIL 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump knows what hes doing chill. it's a controversial subject and he has created this dialogue and will play the uniter

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[–]Rengas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You might say he got stumped.

[–]yavnikIA -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

He wasn't trapped, he knew exactly what he was doing.

What you centipedes should know is this is going to help Trump more than it hurts him. It's another instance of Scott Adams' "Strategic Ambiguity." Trump says he'd punish the women and the pro-life hardliners love this. He then turns around and says he'd only punish doctors so the moderates can breathe easy.

I am well-acquainted with the subject of abortion, so let's talk about this facet of social conservatism. Of all the women I know and I've met who are pro-life, for as much as they preach the love of Jesus for all mankind, in their heart of hearts it's not about saving babies. Because as much as they are pro-life, they are every bit as much anti-abortion. That's the reality of their motivation, it's not Jesus, it's about punishing promiscuous women. These are women whose evolutionary alarm bells are ringing non-stop because of all the technological and governmental advances that are continuously separating sluts from feeling the consequences of their actions. And Trump knows it.

Trump knows women. He knows why they're pro-life, and he knows that thousands if not millions of vocally pro-choice women will vote pro-life in the end, not because they love babies, but because they hate sluts. The type of person who would vote against Trump because they're so pro-choice is already voting against him. The person who would vote against Trump because they're so pro-life now has a reason to vote for him, even though he then strategically disavowed it.

Strategic Ambiguity.

[–]Thomist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never seen any actual information or statistics behind this "they just want to punish the women!!" slur. I'm pro-life and it has nothing to do with promiscuity. That's why it makes no difference if the child is conceived in a marriage or in any other scenario. It's a human rights issue.