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​Donald J. Trump Statement Regarding AbortionTREMENDOUS! (donaldjtrump.com)

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[–]zerofuxstillhungry 106ポイント107ポイント  (80子コメント)

Can't believe he walked Into Matthew's trap. FUCK!

[–]ohaikekCT 66ポイント67ポイント  (9子コメント)

Exactly what I was just saying. He fell into a trap of logic over a very sensitive subject. This is very bad for swing voters and lib's that do like Trump's positions and/or message. His mouth cannot afford to give the media or all the other enemies an inch because they are going to run with it like they already are with the message women should be punished for abortion, illegal or not. He's giving me angina.

[–]ZachPhrostUSA 38ポイント39ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yes, Trump just gave Hillary the soundbite she's going to play in every single ad from now until November. He needs a diversion.

[–]Occams_Lazor_ 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cue the final shoe dropping in the El Rato sexcapades in three...two...

[–]Katfish29CA 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

I dont disagree. I think that the quick fire questioning had him in a logical quagmire. That said, I don't think what he said was totally bad. I honestly think that his statement may have been the mistake. Whether you are pro-life or pro-abortion, it shouldn't matter. For example, I think something along these lines would have been more beneficial: "If Federal or State government were to make abortions illegal and it was upheld in court, there would have to be consequences for whomever broke the law. In this case, the doctor that would be committing malpractice and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law that was passed. That said, the woman seeking the abortion must claim some responsibility for the action. For if it were not for her wanting the abortion, the malpractice wouldn't have been needed. Thusly, both parties were breaking the law. I couldn't imagine a 16 year old girl in a panic, being sent to prison for murder; but we also must acknowledge that there are consequences for our actions. The penalties should be determined by legislature, and left up to the States."

I think vagueness could have been his friend here frankly. I know we all want a more direct up front response immediately. But walking back what he said in the interview makes it look like Chris Matthews pulled one over on him.

[–]MAGA-EliteFL 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Dude he said women should face "some form of punishment" and it's on camera. There's no spin, he has to retract and amend, period. This campaign statement is a start. Even hardcore pro-life activist groups have put out press releases criticizing what he said.

[–]Occams_Lazor_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because pro-life groups have determined that the best way to get more people on their side is to be as compassionate as possible. That doesn't make their position inherently logical.

This was a pure trap question. It's not like that's a bad thing, it's just bad that Donald wasn't prepared.

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      [–]fdsa4324 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

      yeah, pretty naive not to see how msm will spin this

      [–]thatguyehlerCAN 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      That was a tough video to watch. There's no way to spin the fact that Trump completely fucked up here - and it'll hurt him, especially with women voters. Hopefully this doesn't do too much damage.

      [–]Trumpisawinner2 11ポイント12ポイント  (66子コメント)

      What was exactly said by the Don?

      [–]scoby_dooby_doo 34ポイント35ポイント  (64子コメント)

      That abortion should be illegal, and that women should be punished for getting an abortion. It's all over the news and filling up the new que in /r/politics.

      [–]Trumpisawinner2 39ポイント40ポイント  (51子コメント)

      Why the fuck did he say that? I just don't get it. Yesterday, he said that he is okay with Japan and Korea having nukes. Today he says women should be punished if abortion were illegal. What the fuck is going on.

      [–]The_Alpha_Bro 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

      I just said in another thread that Trump may be a mad genius, but I don't know how anyone could let the words "women need to be punished" come out of their mouth. Oi vey.

      [–]Trumpisawinner2 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Yeah, big mistake. Hope he recovers. Let's see. Either way, I don't care anymore. He is the only candidate who doesn't pander, who isn't bought and is economically literate. If America wants someone else in the end, well we deserve whoever we vote into office. God save us if it is Hillary. 65,000 refugees and 11 million immigrants. LOL.

      [–]Hawkman003CA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Fuck that's one depressing "LOL". WE DON'T DESERVE HILLARY! :(

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          [–]lordx3n0saeon 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Japan and Korea having nukes is fine IMO.

          [–]scoby_dooby_doo 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Well he was right on Japan, we pay for too much of their military and his angle is he wants to decrease military spending by letting them have their own military where they can defend themselves.

          In regards to abortion, trump is just blatantly wrong.todya he said women should be punished, then immediately issued a press release saying "No doctors should be punished not wimenr". It's the first time I've seen him on damage control, but the damage is done.

          Then right after that he says the Geneva conventions are "the problem". I don't know wtf is going on, but Cruz has now shot up 10 points to 40% in Wisconsin. This all will hurt him even further

          [–]sjw_modsUSA 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

          .now shot up 10 points to 40% in Wisconsin. T

          In one poll with a 6%MOE and 300 republicans - when Wisconsin is an open primary.

          [–]Occams_Lazor_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          6% margin of error? Jesus, I didn't even know they were allowed to be published if they were over 4%.

          [–]sjw_modsUSA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          5.8%, but yeah, basically 6%

          [–]scoby_dooby_doo 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          No I hear that, but my point is he's trending uo significantly.

          Wisconsin is a must win states for Cruz, and frankly for trump as well. We have to do better than a statistical tie.

          [–]sjw_modsUSA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Actually, Trump doesn't have to win Wisconsin.

          [–]Trumpisawinner2 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I am fine with Japan building their own military but not okay with any more countries getting nuclear. I see your point though- Most countries will have nuclear anyways.

          Yeah, the abortion thing was fuck up. Hope he recovers.

          [–]scoby_dooby_doo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yah but to be fair the best defense is nuclear weapons. Countries simply don't go to war when both sides have nukes. It may sound dumb but it's the reality.

          [–]Occams_Lazor_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          He's said worse and come out stronger for it. The abortion thing is a wild care but I think we're far enough away from the general for it to not matter.

          [–]pizzlewizzleAZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I have no problem with Japan and South Korea having nukes.

          [–]IcarusGoodmanAL 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          What's wrong with the nukes thing? If we can't trust Japan and Korea with nukes, then why exactly are we allies with them?

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            [–]Nemo_Lemonjello 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Execpt he never said that abortion should be illegal, only that if it were... yada yada yada. hypothetical on top of hypothetical.

            [–]scoby_dooby_doo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yah exactly, he was speaking about a hypothetical but they are punishing him pretty hard right now over it. 70% of women say they will never vote for trump, and they make up 53% of voters. This is a messaging problem which he needs to fix.

            [–]Laneofhighhopes 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Excuse me, the link to his campaign website specifically states that his stance is not to make abortion illegal, but that if it's illegal then the doctor will held responsible, not the woman.

            Is there video of him saying the contrary?

            Edit for spelling on mobile...

            [–]Occams_Lazor_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yes, he said it to Chris Matthews. Didn't elaborate but he said so

            [–]scoby_dooby_doo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            So what happened in case you missed it is he just got done with an interview with faget Chris Matthew's where he was posed a hypothetical question regarding "In a world where the law said abortion is illegal, would a girl who got an abortion be punished". Trump answered "well if you break the law there is punishment yes".

            This lead to a media fury over the past hour with headlines reading "Donald Trump says women who get abortion should he punished."

            Trump is doing damage control now and released a statement saying no in his plan doctors would be held liable, however it's important to note the media is too busy talking about the hypothetical Chris Matthew's hit him with since they are on a crusade to stop trump.

            [–]MAGA-EliteFL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yes he says on video the woman should be punished.

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              [–]wooptyfrickindooNJ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Oh no D:

              [–]SpaghettiHeads 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Wait, so less than 24 hours ago he said the woman receiving the abortion should be punished. Now he's saying the Dr or the person performing the abortion should be punished but not the woman? How is she the victim? She should also be punished along with the doctors.

              [–]GirtherMovementAZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Im pretty sure it said "the doctor should be punished, not the woman."

              [–]MAGA-EliteFL 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              No he said "some form of punishment" referring to the woman, it's on video and trending on Twitter atm. Statement corrects this but his original comment was clearly about the women who undergo abortions.

              [–]scoby_dooby_doo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              The statement he released said that, it was released right after he had an interview with Chris Matthew's where faget Chris caught him up saying they should be punished.

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                [–]wareagle47 48ポイント49ポイント  (3子コメント)

                MAGA! Mods sticky this.

                [–]Sheepbjumpin 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                What's "sticky"?

                [–]wareagle47 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Pins the post at the front of the sub. 2 allowed at a time.

                [–]zroxx 113ポイント114ポイント  (29子コメント)

                First time I've seen Trump really need to do damage control.

                It's also the first time I've seen him take the politically correct side rather than the logical side: if abortion is murder, and a woman participates in an abortion, how is she not at least an accessory to murder?

                [–]ShinobismasterWA 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

                It's not the first time I have seen him have to do damage control but it highlights when he has honestly made a mistake and when he is intentional in his actions. If he makes a mistake, he immediately rectifies it, if not, he stays silent.

                [–]CatTrumpOR 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Because he doesn't want this election to be about abortion. And if he says a bold statement in any direction, pro, anti, neutral then that will become a major part of the political dialogue.

                [–]zxcsde 40ポイント41ポイント  (17子コメント)

                Yeah but these are hypotheticals of hypotheticals of hypotheticals. Doesn't really mean much either way. Shouldn't have even been asked the question anyway (good job Chris Matthews)

                [–]zroxx 28ポイント29ポイント  (8子コメント)

                Well I don't think abortion will ever be made illegal, so I agree with you on the hypothetical aspect. But I have to admit, I wish Trump had taken the question differently. Curious if Cruz gets drilled the same way.

                [–]John_Gulbunny 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

                If Cruz would ever get grilled the same way, he would've already gotten grilled for that pastor welcoming him on stage right after saying gay people should die

                [–]lordx3n0saeon 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Because the PLAN is to slide Cruz into the nomination then crush him in the main election vs hillary.

                They KNOW they can beat Cruz, it's why the MSM wants him. They'll wreck him the second it's him vs Hillary.

                [–]CatTrumpOR 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                I would vote Hillary over lying ted.

                [–]SquidBlubOH 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I consider Trump the Hail Mary. Let's be honest, he's a risky pick. He might MAGA, he might fuck everything up. But things are already on the way to being fucked up, so it's not like we have anything to lose.

                I'll take a shot at winning over a guaranteed loss any day. Plus I like him, which helps. It's Trump or nobody for me, I'm not voting if he's not on the ticket.

                [–]Wolfs_ClawCA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I can only imagine the anti-Cruz ads the left has in their back pocket.

                [–]MAGA-EliteFL 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Doesn't really mean much either way.

                Trump has to learn which issues not to get into the weeds on and this is certainly one of them.

                [–]CatTrumpOR 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                This is a weak spot for Trump. He is not good at avoiding issues so when i tries it comes off poorly. It is pretty obvious that Trump is trying to avoid having abortion be a key wedge issue in this election.

                [–]DAEFlairPOL 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Personally I think it's because he's pro choice but has to be pro life to get the republican vote. Or say he is pro life.

                In the mean time, he gets to say "IF IT'S ILLEGAL" women should be punished. But he doesn't say it should or should not be illegal.

                [–]MAGA-EliteFL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Agree with this. IMO he's privately pro-choice but he's running and will govern as pro-life with exceptions because as a Republican he has to in order to get nominated and win. So in trying to say what he thinks Republicans want to hear, or what he thinks the normal conservative position is, apparently he's made a guess and guessed wrong. Even pro-life activist groups who are way to the right of him have criticized what he said. Needs more damage control than just this campaign press release.

                [–]Good-WriterLBY 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                What was the question.

                [–]zxcsde 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Not sure how it came up but it was a matter of if abortion is banned (not very likely in any case) should there be a punishment if someone gets one? In the town hall Trump said yes the woman should be punished for getting an illegal abortion but clarified that the doctor who performed it should be punished, not the woman (in the statement linked above)

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                  [–]makefoodgreatagainNY 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  If we consider abortion murder, you're right, but this would likely cut down on access to abortion without a total, 100% shutdown of it.

                  [–]emkat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Its trying to attack the supply of the procedure rather than criminalize the demand. Just like how drug dealers face harsher crimes than those addicted to drugs.

                  [–]pervymofo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  He didn't say abortion was murder, though. It can't be inconsistent if it's not even part of his argument.

                  Think of it like euthanasia: illegal for doctors to perform, but we don't punish people if they survive it.

                  People get desperate and medical professionals are assumed to be experts. If I go ask for Percocet at a pharmacy without a prescription and they give it to me...they get a much harsher penalty than I do.

                  [–]loli_trumpNC 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Agreed. But the media will not let him downplay this. If Hillary said the same thing the media will ignore what she said.

                  1st time Trump had to do some damage control. Since women voters are the worst voters.

                  [–]BasediCloud 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's also the first time I've seen him take the politically correct side rather than the logical side: if abortion is murder, and a woman participates in an abortion, how is she not at least an accessory to murder?

                  Not punishing the woman is the logical side. Not because it would be logically if men and women were equal.

                  But logical cause how humans work in terms of in-group bias. Women have a strong pro-woman in group bias. Men do not have a strong pro-men group bias, but also a pro-woman bias. Thus it is not logical to treat women like you would treat men as a candidate, but instead pander to their in-group. He would lose votes if he really was for equality in that regard.

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                    [–]ArsenalITUSA 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    MODS = GODS, BUT ONLY IF THEY STICKY THIS. UPCOAT THIS NAO.

                    [–]Semphis_RythornFL 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I thought he was Pro-Life but allowed abortions under the case of rape and danger to the health of the woman.

                    [–]DrobUWP 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    He was pro choice with the exception of late-term until he decided to run for president. His sister is a pro choice attorney.

                    Then he walked it back to prolife but danced around the issues, essentially only hard statements about banning government funding and late term.

                    Same thing here, but he got dragged into a hypothetical situation where the courts and legislature successfully made it illegal.

                    [–]MasterShake1171USA 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Why are we even talking about abortion? Congress would never pass that law and the supreme court would never uphold it. It's a non-issue.

                    [–]President_ShitlordUSA 65ポイント66ポイント  (16子コメント)

                    Trump has clarified, will MSM disavow?

                    [–]feyrbandOH 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    fuck no they won't. it's not like they or any of the rest of the cucks, pay any mind to all the other policy info on his site. or they wouldn't be saying he has no policies.

                    [–]Trumpisawinner2 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    This will be played endlessly by the media. However, this is what astounds me -

                    1. We are 19 trillion $ in debt

                    2. ISIS is running rampant and Obongo wants more refugees

                    3. Illegal immigration is rapidly changing the demographics and culture of America

                    4. 3/5 politicians left are bought by donors. 1 is a communist. The last one is the only self funded capitalist with business experience running.

                    AND WE MIGHT DECIDE THE PRESIDENT BASED ON WHO IS MORE LIBERAL WHEN IT COMES TO MURDERDING BABIES?

                    Sad State of affairs.

                    [–]MAGA-EliteFL 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    Problem is he still said what he said originally, which does appears to be him agreeing that the woman should be punished. In some ways the statement adds to the fire because the last line emphasizes that "his position has not changed" so for sure the anti-Trump MSM are going to talk about what he said in the first place and compare the two.

                    Most of the country is pro-choice and certainly most independents and moderate Republicans are - softness on abortion is often the very issue that makes one a "moderate" Republican. I've seen some pretty bad reactions to this flub in places that are usually pretty pro-Trump, like Daily Mail right now has an article with already over 1k comments, most angry or disappointed.

                    Meanwhile he's shitposting random stuff on Twitter in the last few minutes but not said anything about the statement as "some form of punishment" trends on the sidebar...

                    [–]CraptainNLD 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yep, this. I watched the video, he let Mathews talk himself into a corner and there's really not a good way to spin this. Such a shame to fumble like this after a pretty good CNN town hall.

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                      [–]TrumptheCuckSlayerGA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      THEY'LL JUST PRETEND NOTHING EVER HAPPENED AND MOVE ON

                      [–]oblivionrecursUSA 39ポイント40ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      About the best you can do to appear pro-life for the social conservatives, while not really threatening to abolish abortions.

                      [–]zroxx 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      It's funny, I've been thinking finally the (R) will field a nominee that's not bogged down with all the hardcore social conservative stuff.

                      And what happens, but the abortion albatross gets thrown right on his back anyway. The (R) party may be hopeless even with a Trump running.

                      [–]SykoEsquire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Relevant

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                        [–]John_Gulbunny 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Let's see the MSM ignore this

                        [–]KF1eLdNY 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Yeah, he really needed to walk that one back. This is pretty much the position he's held ever since he announced his campaign though. I think Mathews got the better of him and sort of put words in his mouth, but at the end of the day he shouldn't of said what he said. Politicians make mistakes like this all the damn time.

                        What this does do is further display the hypocrisy of the liberal media. Hillary has made ridiculous statements in her past. She was anti-gay marriage until only very recently. Cruz was endorsed by a pastor who wants to see all gays killed. Hillary said "We didn't lose anyone in Libya" and liberal media largely ignored it.

                        [–]MJDiAmore 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        He didn't need to walk anything back, we need to hold people accountable for spinning things nonsensically.

                        "Should a crime have a punishment?" Well, yes.

                        Whether it should be a crime or not, ultimately he as president won't even decide because we already have Supreme Court rulings on it.

                        [–]benny_mack 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        I am worried that he hasn't had his advisors brief him on the standard talking points for pointless wedge issues like abortion. Its increasingly obvious that Trump is the only one holding together his campaign through sheer will and energy meanwhile his staff has him getting destroyed as far as ground game and formulating policy.

                        [–]Audityne 21ポイント22ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        I'm not concerned. Trump knows what he is doing.

                        If he really thinks this is really going to hurt him, he will find a way to get out of it.

                        [–]sjw_modsUSA 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        No, it hurt him. It just won't affect him much. The only people who care are very religious Cruz voters.

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                          [–]Occams_Lazor_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Man guys, this was a really really bad misstep. Hopefully this blows over in a week but shit, I wish he had a better answer ready.

                          [–]CuntyMcFagNuts69AZ 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          We don't have to agree on everything. Donald is entitled to whatever he wants to believe

                          [–]fastmandanTX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          as long as the wall is built...i could care less about other things

                          [–]makefoodgreatagainNY 37ポイント38ポイント  (11子コメント)

                          I'm pro-choice, but that's pretty fair compared to other republicans tbh. Like I would hate if abortion became illegal, but that's better than nothing.

                          [–]JustDoinThingsCHN 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It is up to Trump to enforce the law. It is up to congress to come up with the laws and its up to the courts to make sure the laws pass muster.

                          This is basic stuff Trump is saying here.

                          As technology improves the babies will be viable outside the womb and eventually we'll get to where I'm happy - once the baby is viable its murder to kill it.

                          [–]SweatyMarco 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I'm pro-choice as well. I actually didn't think his initial comment was anything bad. I don't agree with it, but illegal action results in punishment. Seemed like common sense. What happens to people who have an abortion after the 6 month mark (I think that is the cut off)? Do they not get punished if they do?

                          I'm not understanding the controversy. Dracula has a horrible stance on abortion.

                          [–]DrobUWP 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Like everything else he says, it's not the actual statement that is the issue but the way the media spins it that creates the issue.

                          You can literally punch a Trump supporter and get pepper sprayed, and they only thing they'll report is that a teenager (19) got sprayed by a Trump supporter.

                          They dragged him into a hypothetical and got him to say that people breaking the law should be punished, but the only thing people will hear is "women getting an abortion should be punished"

                          [–]yuvalleventalMI 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Also am pro-choice, but I am against high taxes :D

                          [–]Saint_Aequitas 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          The next POTUS will have a direct impact on abortion legality through the nomination of the next Supreme Court Justice (Scalia RIP).

                          [–]makefoodgreatagainNY 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I don't think they will be able to make it illegal. Maybe harder to get, but if they try to actually make it illegal they're out of their fucking minds, because people will go crazy. I will personally go crazy.

                          [–]TorDZeus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Not really. Courts don't redo precedents often. My guess is that at this point it would require a constitutional amendment to make abortion illegal.

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                              [–]DAEFlairPOL 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              He fucked up, boys. We're in for a long night. Hope he can find some good talking points / logic to clarify, save some voters, and still appeal to the moderates.

                              [–]Trumpisawinner2 29ポイント30ポイント  (30子コメント)

                              This is looking bad. First time I have seen him do damage control. But can someone link the interview in its entirety?

                              [–]vonmeth 11ポイント12ポイント  (26子コメント)

                              http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-lewandowski-they-re-destroying-very-good-person-n548036

                              Has the majority of the abortion exchange.

                              [–]Goliathrex80 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Full Transcript:

                              QUESTION: Hello. I am (inaudible) and have a question on, what is your stance on women’s rights and their rights to choose in their own reproductive health?

                              TRUMP: OK, well look, I mean, as you know, I’m pro-life. Right, I think you know that, and I -- with exceptions, with the three exceptions. But pretty much, that’s my stance. Is that OK? You understand?

                              MATTHEWS: What should the law be on abortion?

                              TRUMP: Well, I have been pro-life.

                              MATTHEWS: I know, what should the law -- I know your principle, that’s a good value. But what should be the law?

                              TRUMP: Well, you know, they’ve set the law and frankly the judges -- I mean, you’re going to have a very big election coming up for that reason, because you have judges where it’s a real tipping point.

                              MATTHEWS: I know.

                              TRUMP: And with the loss the Scalia, who was a very strong conservative...

                              MATTHEWS: I understand.

                              TRUMP: ... this presidential election is going to be very important, because when you say, “what’s the law, nobody knows what’s the law going to be. It depends on who gets elected, because somebody is going to appoint conservative judges and somebody is going to appoint liberal judges, depending on who wins.

                              MATTHEWS: I know. I never understood the pro-life position.

                              TRUMP: Well, a lot of people do understand.

                              MATTHEWS: I never understood it. Because I understand the principle, it’s human life as people see it.

                              TRUMP: Which it is.

                              MATTHEWS: But what crime is it?

                              TRUMP: Well, it’s human life.

                              MATTHEWS: No, should the woman be punished for having an abortion?

                              TRUMP: Look...

                              MATTHEWS: This is not something you can dodge.

                              TRUMP: It’s a -- no, no...

                              MATTHEWS: If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under law. Should abortion be punished?

                              TRUMP: Well, people in certain parts of the Republican Party and Conservative Republicans would say, “yes, they should be punished.”

                              MATTHEWS: How about you?

                              TRUMP: I would say that it’s a very serious problem. And it’s a problem that we have to decide on. It’s very hard.

                              MATTHEWS: But you’re for banning it?

                              TRUMP: I’m going to say -- well, wait. Are you going to say, put them in jail? Are you -- is that the (inaudible) you’re talking about?

                              MATTHEWS: Well, no, I’m asking you because you say you want to ban it. What does that mean?

                              TRUMP: I would -- I am against -- I am pro-life, yes.

                              MATTHEWS: What is ban -- how do you ban abortion? How do you actually do it?

                              TRUMP: Well, you know, you will go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places

                              MATTHEWS: Yes?

                              TRUMP: But you have to ban it

                              MATTHEWS: You banning, they go to somebody who flunked out of medical school.

                              TRUMP: Are you Catholic?

                              MATTHEWS: Yes, I think...

                              TRUMP: And how do you feel about the Catholic Church’s position?

                              MATTHEWS: Well, I accept the teaching authority of my Church on moral issues

                              TRUMP: I know, but do you know their position on abortion?

                              MATTHEWS: Yes, I do

                              TRUMP: And do you concur with the position?

                              MATTHEWS: I concur with their moral position but legally, I get to the question -- here’s my problem with it...

                              (LAUGHTER)

                              TRUMP: No, no, but let me ask you, but what do you say about your Church?

                              MATTHEWS: It’s not funny.

                              TRUMP: Yes, it’s really not funny

                              What do you say about your church? They’re very, very strong.

                              MATTHEWS: They’re allowed to -- but the churches make their moral judgments, but you running for president of the United States will be chief executive of the United States. Do you believe...

                              TRUMP: No, but...

                              MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle?

                              TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment

                              MATTHEWS: For the woman

                              TRUMP: Yes, there has to be some form

                              MATTHEWS: Ten cents? Ten years? What?

                              TRUMP: Let me just tell you -- I don’t know. That I don’t know. That I don’t know.

                              MATTHEWS: Why not

                              TRUMP: I don’t know.

                              MATTHEWS: You take positions on everything else.

                              TRUMP: Because I don’t want to -- I frankly, I do take positions on everything else. It’s a very complicated position.

                              MATTHEWS: But you say, one, that you’re pro-life meaning that you want to ban it

                              TRUMP: But wait a minute, wait a minute. But the Catholic Church is pro-life

                              MATTHEWS: I’m not talking about my religion.

                              TRUMP: No, no, I am talking about your religion. Your religion -- I mean, you say that you’re a very good Catholic. Your religion is your life. Let me ask you this..

                              MATTHEWS: I didn’t say very good. I said I’m Catholic

                              (LAUGHTER)

                              And secondly, I’m asking -- you’re running for President.

                              TRUMP: No, no...

                              MATTHEWS: I’m not.

                              TRUMP: Chris -- Chris.

                              MATTHEWS: I’m asking you, what should a woman face if she chooses to have an abortion?

                              TRUMP: I’m not going to do that.

                              MATTHEWS: Why not?

                              TRUMP: I’m not going to play that game.

                              MATTHEWS: Game?

                              TRUMP: You have...

                              MATTHEWS: You said you’re pro-life.

                              TRUMP: I am pro-life.

                              MATTHEWS: That means banning abortion

                              TRUMP: And so is the Catholic Church pro-life.

                              MATTHEWS: But they don’t control the -- this isn’t Spain, the Church doesn’t control the government

                              TRUMP: What is the punishment under the Catholic Church? What is the...

                              MATTHEWS: Let me give something from the New Testament, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Don’t ask me about my religion.

                              TRUMP: No, no...

                              MATTHEWS: I’m asking you. You want to be president of the United States.

                              TRUMP: You told me that...

                              MATTHEWS: You tell me what the law should be.

                              TRUMP: I have -- I have not determined...

                              MATTHEWS: Just tell me what the law should be. You say you’re pro-life.

                              TRUMP: I am pro-life.

                              MATTHEWS: What does that mean

                              TRUMP: With exceptions. I am pro-life.

                              I have not determined what the punishment would be.

                              MATTHEWS: Why not?

                              TRUMP: Because I haven’t determined it

                              MATTHEWS: When you decide to be pro-life, you should have thought of it. Because...

                              TRUMP: No, you could ask anybody who is pro-life...

                              MATTHEWS: OK, here’s the problem -- here’s my problem with this, if you don’t have a punishment for abortion -- I don’t believe in it, of course -- people are going to find a way to have an abortion.

                              TRUMP: You don’t believe in what?

                              MATTHEWS: I don’t believe in punishing anybody for having an abortion

                              TRUMP: OK, fine. OK, (inaudible)/

                              MATTHEWS: Of course not. I think it’s a woman’s choice.

                              TRUMP: So you’re against the teachings of your Church?

                              MATTHEWS: I have a view -- a moral view -- but I believe we live in a free country, and I don’t want to live in a country so fascistic that it could stop a person from making that decision.

                              TRUMP: But then you are...

                              MATTHEWS: That would be so invasive.

                              TRUMP: I know but I’ve heard you speaking...

                              MATTHEWS: So determined of a society that I wouldn’t able -- one we are familiar with. And Donald Trump, you wouldn’t be familiar with.

                              TRUMP: But I’ve heard you speaking so highly about your religion and your Church.

                              MATTHEWS: Yes.

                              TRUMP: Your Church is very, very strongly as you know, pro-life.

                              MATTHEWS: I know.

                              TRUMP: What do you say to your Church?

                              MATTHEWS: I say, I accept your moral authority. In the United States, the people make the decision, the courts rule on what’s in the Constitution, and we live by that. That’s why I say.

                              TRUMP: Yes, but you don’t live by it because you don’t accept it. You can’t accept it. You can’t accept it. You can’t accept it.

                              MATTHEWS: Can we go back to matters of the law and running for president because matters of law, what I’m talking about, and this is the difficult situation you’ve placed yourself in.

                              By saying you’re pro-life, you mean you want to ban abortion. How do you ban abortion without some kind of sanction? Then you get in that very tricky question of a sanction, a fine on human life which you call murder?

                              TRUMP: It will have to be determined.

                              MATTHEWS: A fine, imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant?

                              TRUMP: It will have to be determined.

                              MATTHEWS: What about the guy that gets her pregnant? Is he responsible under the law for these abortions? Or is he not responsible for an abortion?

                              TRUMP: Well, it hasn’t -- it hasn’t -- different feelings, different people. I would say no.

                              MATTHEWS: Well, they’re usually involved. Anyway, much more from the audience here at the University of Wisconsin, Green Bay. We’ll be right back.

                              (APPLAUSE)

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                                [–]Ov3r_Kill_Br0nyUSA 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Trump is ready for anything, and is not afraid to tell the truth.

                                [–]thisisATHENS 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Goddamn I'm just sick of the media cycle. Trump talks real issues but risks getting sunk by this shit. Just over wedge issues.

                                [–]Saint_Aequitas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Next POTUS gets first pick in the Supreme Court Justice draft, BIG issue this cycle.

                                [–]rareunlimited 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                My reaction

                                [–]RdogMILLIONAIRECT 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                This was not a good look for Trump. Anyone that says otherwise si delusional. I am a Trump supporter, but I thought he was less socially conservative.

                                [–]zxcsde 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Give that man a sticky

                                [–]Hicapacity-maga_zine 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                He is on top of this shit at least.

                                [–]apbadogs 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                I swear I just saw a headline saying "Trump wants to punish (or prosecute, can't remember the exact word) WOMEN WHO HAVE ABORTIONS! Oh, it was The Daily Mail!

                                [–]RightEroo 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Well, it did come straight from his mouth. The media didn't put a spin on it or take it out of context.

                                Matthews: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle?

                                Trump: The answer is there has to be some form of punishment.

                                M:For the woman?

                                T: Yes.

                                https://youtu.be/h1Jpoecf0xY?t=78

                                [–]apbadogs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I believe he also talked about if it was ever ruled to be against the law again...meaning the woman was breaking the law.

                                [–]ArsenalITUSA 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                CNN/MSNBC did it too, cucks.

                                [–]apbadogs 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Daily Mail changed it already...now it says "Trump wants to prosecute "offendors" and thinks "abortion should be illegal".

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                                  [–]Cyrino420 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  This makes me so sad. I like Trump and wish he would be a libertarian. Our nation wastes so much money on this bullshit issue.

                                  [–]NahShitNigga 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Stumped. Ughh

                                  [–]Negavol 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Yeah this is not good at all especially before a huge Wisconsin vote

                                  [–]throwaway_nknkn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I got downvoted in another thread for saying this, but Trump got played there. They gave the bate and he bit. fucking Ted Cruz and religious right has pushed him so far right on the abortion shit it will only hurt him in the general. It has to be said. Now he's doing damage control, which is good. I want Trump to win the general election. Stop fucking pandering to far right on this issue. I cannot believe he took the bait on that. Damage is done now, the media isn't going to talk about his new statement. Trumps "war on women" continues in the main stream media. There are certain issues you gotta be politically correct about, womens issues being one of them. When i started seeing the headlines about this i knew he was fucked.

                                  [–]vistal- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  This is why you don't pander to positions you don't really believe in for votes. You can tell he hasn't thought any of this through and it doesn't even sound like he has any conviction about it. I like a lot of Trump's message but him talking about banning abortion so women would have to go to illegal (and dangerous) places is...unnerving.

                                  Abortion is probably one of THE topics that many of the Democrats/Independents that have voted for him are not going to like his stance on, since it is very religiously motivated but conflicts with a lot of reality.

                                  [–]ozric101 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Trump walked right into that... No politician should ever make a direct comment on a 3rd rail issue.

                                  This is one you leave to the states.

                                  [–]pageerror404AZ 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  What the actual fuck is going on with the comments section? When did we turn into self-doubting cucks?

                                  [–]sjw_modsUSA 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Cucks are here, shilling. Deport & hide.

                                  [–]fastmandanTX 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  berniebots posing as concern trolls and lukewarm supporters

                                  [–]rickfromrickandmortyAZ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Birdie converts can't shake their obsession with minorities, in this case the vocal minority

                                  [–]KinshasaKongoNY 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  We can disagree with Trump on some issues and support him at the same time.

                                  [–]CatTrumpOR 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Trump f'ed up by letting Matthews simplify the question down to "do you think illegal things should be punished".

                                  [–]moonsprite 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  I'd love a clear statement like this from Trump on gay marriage. He's been pretty vague about for now.

                                  [–]energy_overwhelming 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  I believe he's said he's in favour of "traditional marriage" but since the supreme court has ruled that same-sex marriage is legal that it's a moot point to argue.

                                  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

                                  [–]MJDiAmore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Wish he'd have just said that for this case and been done.

                                  [–]potentialnrg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  He supports traditional marriage but he is going to leave it to the Supreme Court

                                  [–]MRPguy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Why? He isn't going to be pushing any agenda with that or abortion. Let those who make the laws decide, as they should.

                                  [–]guma1NOR 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Here's a clip https://youtu.be/xIbzkkBNB6E This had me cursing at my computer.. Trump stepped right into his trap. Even the media here in Norway is going nuts..

                                  [–]HP844182TX 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Honestly I don't think Trump gives two shits about social issues and really only cares about economic issues. But for some reason we can't have an election without wedge issues being continuously brought up. Our trade policies affect the entire country, why are we not focusing on those?

                                  [–]StigMan4IL 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I'm pro-choice and against partial-birth abortion. In the hypothetical for which Matthews demanded a specific answer, I have no problem with Trump's original response regarding some form of punishment.

                                  Trump tried his best to soften the question, then gave a common-sense answer that there needs to be some form of punishment for breaking a law.

                                  [–]andyznycCA 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Media going to skewer him on this. He has not taken the time to have these basic republican positions memorized yet. There probably a handful of such positions where there is a stock response. Career politicians know these well. He needs to brush up on them but this may hurt him a bit as it reflects on his readiness. I have confidence he can do it but I think he still rather wing it and let the chips fall where they may.

                                  [–]ToppestOfZozzleNY 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I think a woman should have an abortion if she wants,

                                  And I think if a man does not want to care for a kid, and the mother STILL wants to keep the kid, then the man is not in any way liable for child support or financial support, and the mother is on her own since she chose to still keep it.

                                  If the mother wants an abortion, then the abortion fees should be split 50/50 between the man and the woman.

                                  [–]dicelife[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  This thread was a mistake

                                  [–]CThaxter 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Trump did not handle Matthews well. He should have cut him right off after the third badgering question.

                                  "Excuse me! Excuse me Chris! I'm not a lawyer and I'm not going to outline what I think the law should be on abortion, but I will allow the legal experts and lawyers on my team to work with that in relation to other states."

                                  "But no, what would the law be? I want to know what the law would be!"

                                  "No, Chris, I'm not going there. I'm not playing that game. Let's talk about another topic because you're not going to corner me into going into future law cases when I cannot predict them."

                                  "But I --"

                                  "--EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME Chris! I just said I'm not going to answer this question because I'm not prepared to answer a hypothetical question. NEXT QUESTION."

                                  I can't say it as well as Trump would have, but one gets the idea. He should have smacked down that joker Matthews. He knew Matthews was a rapid leftist apologist who hates him. Next time Trump needs to come prepared to not be backed into no-win corners.

                                  [–]YUUUUGERI 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  He really whiffed on that question. I love Trump but it was a fucking stupid thing to say that we need to punish women for getting abortions. He's going to get hammered on this.

                                  [–]Trump4GodKingISR 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                  Couldnt wear a condom

                                  Couldnt get plan B

                                  Couldn't just go down on each other while waiting for safe sex.

                                  expecting to receive an abortion.

                                  if you don't know that sex makes babies...if you cant afford/be arsed to wear a condom...if you cant afford plan b...how the fuck do these people pay for abortions!

                                  [–]clayjo37 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  He shouldn't have caved to these people. He wins when he stands by his positions. Flip-flopping within 30 minutes doesn't instill confidence.

                                  [–]MJDiAmore 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Should have just doubled down on the "If it were illegal" hypothetical and screw the MSM.

                                  Plus, the pro-life groups disavowing are lying to themselves. If you want the practice banned, the logic follows that crime = punishment.

                                  Give me a break you don't want to punish women.

                                  [–]clayjo37 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Should have just doubled down on the "If it were illegal" hypothetical and screw the MSM.

                                  Exactly. Now he just looks weak running backwards on this. Sad to see.

                                  [–]BotchJonesGA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Is this what is going to be aired tonight?

                                  [–]BallPIL 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  This is the turning point of the campaign. He alienated the right , left, and center. He is strong enough to fix this; let's see if he can do it tonight. He has to.

                                  [–]puffykilled2pacWA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I've argued, and still believe, that stuff like retweets aren't that big of a deal and wouldn't be that big of a deal in a general election. I've grown to become pro-life and I actually do believe women who knowingly get abortions should criminalized. If you believe it's murder you can't separate that.

                                  Still, this just is just so far from public opinion this will definitely hurt him in a real way. Being off the cuff, being honest, and not dodging questions has been Trump's strength. In this case he's going to pay for it. This issue hits far closer to home than when he misspoke about H1B's.

                                  [–]xyzzyzyzzyxAL 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  STICKY

                                  [–]presidentjimPA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I don't know if they will, so up vote it in the meantime

                                  [–]a_baconPA 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  who the FUCK cares about this shit

                                  we have the same conversation every fucking election, my god people

                                  [–]MRPguy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Yep, and nothing will ever change. No abortion laws will ever be changed. It's been 40 years now.

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                                    [–]LiterallyShakingCA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Trump will be fine, abortion isn't as big of an issue as national security, economy, or healthcare

                                    [–]HnB_01CA 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Damn it Donald. Why do you keep doing this shit about women. Please stfu with anything negative when it comes to women.

                                    [–]le_petit_dejeunerTX 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    They both bear responsibility. It's comparable to a woman hiring a hitman to kill her husband.

                                    [–]HexezWorkCA 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    When it comes to something medical it should be the doctor only.

                                    Don't even think about abortion just think of it like I would trust my doctor if they said a procedure was legal why would I think he/she was lying?

                                    The licensed physician should be the one familiar with the law not the patient.

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                                      [–]MajorMid 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                      Don't like this. If it's illegal the woman should be held accountable.

                                      I fucking hate that society allows women to murder just to be politically correct and that even the Donald doesn't have enough energy to hold women accountable.

                                      That said if this move helps him win the election then by all means

                                      [–]Smoke96xPA 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                      I agree, but according to this thread apparently a lot of Donald supporters are pro choice. Surprises me.

                                      [–]tholinss 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      This sub's full of recovering liberals and a lot of them haven't gotten around to the reality that liberal social policies are just as fucked up as liberal policies about taxes, immigration and security.

                                      [–]Smoke96xPA 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Well I generally like Donald's strategy to appeal to democrats/independents. Abortion is a NON ISSUE because the President doesn't have a lot of say in the matter anyway. Personally, I feel Donald is right 100% on his original statement even though it wasn't politically correct. Perhaps he should have better specified the performer of the abortion's role as well.

                                      [–]tholinss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      You're right. This is one of those things that isn't the President's job to deal with. And it shouldn't be the main issue in this election either.

                                      It was going to come up sooner or later. Now Trump's going to get a ton more free press, because everyone will want to talk about it, and he has the ability to say he was talking about a hypothetical anyway.

                                      [–]MajorMid 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Even those who are pro choice should be concerned at least about the lack of accountability when it comes to women in this country.

                                      Because regardless of where you stand on the issue...IF it was made ILLEGAL...how in the hell would women not be charged at all? And even a lot of pro life people think abortion is murder but don't want the woman charged. Which by that logic any pro lifer who thinks that way is okay with women getting away with murder just because they are women.

                                      [–]Trumpisawinner2 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      I am pro life and I agree with the Don. But the media won't play it that way. In a week he has been attacked for being anti trump, he shouldn't have said this. One area where I wish he had simply taken the politically correct route. Just say-"States should decide".

                                      [–]rickfromrickandmortyAZ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I'm sure Trump will be pressed on this and he will simply go on the record and say that he never took a stance for federal legislation and that he will enforce the legislature.

                                      [–]yuvalleventalMI 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      A lot of us are just against leftist political correctness and controlled markets.

                                      [–]shadowofahelicopter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      If the woman is being held accountable, the man telling her to get an abortion should be too...

                                      [–]Feel_The_Trump 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      ITT: People that don't remember November+December.

                                      Trump thrives in controversy.

                                      [–]actofgod22 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      This is absolutely insane.

                                      Trump was asked a hypothetical about a world where abortion was made illegal. He basically responded that IF abortion was illegal than the people participating in said illegal activity should be punished. Prosecuting people that break the law, wow that's just so extreme. That's mountain dew extreme!

                                      How is that even controversial? I'm quite certain we would "punish" women who have an abortion in the 8th month with no medical necessity. That would be illegal.

                                      [–]-INFOWARS-TX 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Good move by Trump.

                                      Gets more media coverage. Gets more votes from Ted Cruz. I'd wager that Trump thought this through deliberately.

                                      Ever notice how NOTHING sticks to Trump?

                                      [–]HonorAmongSteves 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I have to disagree with Trump's choice of statement here. He should have just said that guilt and responsibility would be determined like all other crimes -- by a jury of the accused's peers.

                                      [–]magnificentmrtique 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      In the opinion of this poster, you shouldn't be having sex if you aren't ready to have children. Abortion absolves people of the responsibility of their actions.

                                      Granted if the sex is non-consensual then the exception should be made, but that's pretty obvious I think.

                                      [–]JohnTackettMO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      As someone who's pro-life reading the comment section.

                                      Donald Trump has always been the type that attracts outsiders, not just staunch Republican Conservatives, so I expected many here to not take it well. I do find it awesome that Trump attracts so many different kinds of people, lots of atheists for a Republican ticket I'd say, considering they usually swing left. Although religion and abortion have nothing in common, mind you.

                                      Doubtless, why not punish the mother? I mean from a purely moral standpoint and a legal one ... follow along closely now, if abortion is outlawed because it is considered that the fetus is a human being and a person with just as much rights as anyone else then to abort it or to ask a doctor to abort it should be considered murder ... right? No different in theory than asking a hitman to take someone out for you, again operating under the assumption the fetus is a person with rights, except as of today it is considered legal for a doctor to abort your baby.

                                      Rationalizing abortion by saying, but what if they grow up in a poor family that doesn't want them, and what if the mother decides she doesn't want the child anymore, doesn't answer the real question at hand, which is: Is the fetus worthy of the right to life, is it a person?

                                      [–]usernameimgurNY 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      CONCERN TROLLS & UNDER THE BRIDGE TROLLS He messed up, sure. So did every other candidate at some point. Of course the media and the twitterverse will explode with this for a day or two but he's overcome worse and his platform is not about social issues, it's about security, security and security.

                                      It will probably hurt him in the short term but we're on the train to a destination that will make America great again. Ride is quite bumpy.

                                      [–]StupidconspiraciesCA 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      I like Trump and think he will do good for america but he got let like a sheep into slaughter with that line of questioning.

                                      [–]call_you_a_cuck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      phew

                                      [–]sjw_modsUSA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      What started this time? Why is he saying this?

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                                        why is this bad

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