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Would you consider Memphis a scouting failure? (self.reddevils)
manutd_ が 42分前 * 投稿
[–]black_squireMartial 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 38分前 (17子コメント)
No a scouting failure. Just taking some time to adjust to a new league. Not completely unheard of given he's from the Dutch league.
[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4分前 (0子コメント)
i think you can call him a scouting failure.
he was bought because he was familiar. 34m was enough money to get us a douglas costa. it almost bought a sanchez.
i think lvg is one of the greatest tacticians of his generation but transfers have always been his weakness.
he had the big dutch influx at barca which pissed off those guys too.
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he has a good reason, those familiar with the system require less time to teach and more people who know the philosophy and daily method of training and preparing speed up the time it takes for the others to learn.
he's like saf. players who get him are worth more to him than talented players who dont understand the system and their role in it.
saf would have bollocked di maria just as badly for disregarding the game plan he had laid out.
[+]manutd_[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 33分前 (15子コメント)
It is a scouting failure in comparative terms if we look at what other top teams who integrated youth got out of them. Memphis was nowhere near as ready as Coman or Dybala who've had stellar seasons.
[–]itsandercontrolBerbatov 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 31分前 (9子コメント)
We don't know if Coman or Dybala would've struggled in PL.
[–]AngryUncleTonyShaw 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 27分前 (8子コメント)
And they play for better sides, both in terms of talent (especially Bayern) and identity. We're just making it up as we go along.
[+]manutd_[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 26分前 (7子コメント)
That's an invalid excuse because Martial has done much better than Memphis in the same system because he was much better prepared (more talented too).
[–]macismydog 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 22分前 (3子コメント)
Martial is the exception not the rule.
It's very uncommon for a kid his age to move to a new country, force his way into the starting 11 and perform as well and as consistently as he has.
[–]manutd_[S] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 12分前 (2子コメント)
Yeah and our scouting has to ensure that if we lay out 35m for a player he is nearly ready to perform and won't take 2 years to adjust.
[–]TudoorsYoung 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6分前 (1子コメント)
Forget about the price. United always overpay for players. Depay is not a poorly scouted player, last season he was the best performing youngster and this season he's found it harder to adjust to the EPL. 2 years from now you will still not say he's a scouting failure if he's failed, just a failure.
[–]manutd_[S] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1分前 (0子コメント)
Why is he not a scouting failure if we couldn't predict that he would be offensively ineffective, defensive error prone and have problems keeping possession in the PL. He was bought as one of the first team options for this season and we paid 35m for him which is starter money anywhere.
[–]AngryUncleTonyShaw 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 12分前 (1子コメント)
Martial has played better for sure, no doubt about it. But each player is different, you can't just immediately plug them into any situation and expect them to work. So I agree, "scouting" and planning are required to acquire players that fit what you're trying to do as a team. If we had bought Memphis for just this season, he's a failure. But we bought him for a longer time frame, and that frame has a built in period for growing pains. He also hasn't been put into the best position to succeed by the manger, so I really don't get the hate for him.
[–]manutd_[S] -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 5分前 (0子コメント)
We did he expect him to deliver this season since the attacking 4 were expected to be Mata, Rooney Martial and Him. Its not hate really, its just that we're getting low returns on investments and I see our mediocrity continuing until we fix this aspect.
[–]jbiresqHerrera -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 14分前 (0子コメント)
Because he was playing in the French league, which is much better than the Dutch league. Same with Coman and Dybala playing in Serie A. You can't easily predict how players will adjust to a step up in the quality around them.
[–]black_squireMartial 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 9分前 (0子コメント)
I think you're mistaken a first season failure for a scouting failure.
A scouting failure suggests inability to perform whatsoever. Completely misreading his footballing capabilities and assuming quality where there is none.
His display against Midgtylland alone shows he's capable of doing things but only needs to adapt to a faster paced league and stronger opposition. He still has flashes even in games in which he's poor, he just needs to be able to do it more consistently.
[–]MrD3athRyan Fucking Giggs 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 31分前 (1子コメント)
How do you know they'd be good in this team/system?
[+]manutd_[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 27分前 (0子コメント)
Martial has been better both offensively and defensively than Memphis. The other players I've mentioned have shown similar characteristics in their own clubs.
[–]SoFuLLEricTheKing 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 13分前 (0子コメント)
Coman isn't a regular starter for Bayern, he's a talented up and coming youngster in a well oiled machine. Much easier context for him. Dybala struggled in his first few months at Juve (as did the whole team). But again he's in a well oiled winning machine, in a league he knows well. I'm disappointed with Memphis' performances but let's give him some more time before declaring him a flop
[–]TheBlackSun8Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 9分前 (0子コメント)
Coman went from psg to juventus to bayern before he found a footing. He looked really bad at juventus. Things are not black and white
[–]Launch_a_poo 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 33分前 (1子コメント)
No, I think he'll become a good buy eventually. The potential is there.
[–]LDN2016 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3分前 (0子コメント)
i think he's going to end up somewhere between nani and ando.
you see the potential and then you compare the skills to a younger martial and its clear how far behind the lad is.
[–]jbiresqHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 16分前 (4子コメント)
His biggest problems seem to be adjusting to the pace, intensity and physicality of the Prem but that's not something that could have been scouted. He was rated as one of the brightest prospects in Europe for a reason and we've certainly seen him show it in some of his displays.
[–]manutd_[S] -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 10分前 (3子コメント)
Hes had problems keeping possession, with decision making and with defensive errors too in addition to the pace. I am surprised our scouting didn't catch all of this.
[–]TudoorsYoung 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4分前 (0子コメント)
Perhaps they did, those sound characteristic of young players however.
[–]jbiresqHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2分前 (0子コメント)
All that stuff comes because he's facing a level of opposition much greater than he's used to. The scouting staff saw something worthwhile in him and thought those problems (which AFAIK were issues at PSV) could be ironed out with proper coaching. This year was always going to be an adjustment and I believe the club knew that.
[–]TheBlackSun8Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2分前 (0子コメント)
So psg, bayern, and United's scouting systems don't know what they are doing...
[–]ttjoelkerMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 37分前 (1子コメント)
I'd consider him a young player who has not yet acclimatized to the PL and to playing against tough opponents. he didn't transfer here from a top notch team, he came here from PSV. The PL is the toughest league in the world. Give him time, he will be great.
[–]IDespot90Martial 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7分前 (0子コメント)
U have point, some players take time to adapt, but modern football is not so kind to giving player time.
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