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Ann Coulter on the Dairy Farmer from the CNN debate who wants to bring in Mexicans to do work that Americans just won't doBASED COULTER (imgur.com)

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[–]jcm267CT[S,M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (1子コメント)

She tweeted it too.

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/714995047079419904

[–]bmorewisererUSA 404ポイント405ポイント  (109子コメント)

Born and raised on a farm, if you can't find employees to work your farm who are legal, you aren't offering them a fair wage. The 2 guys they had ask questions had 2800 and 5000 cows, they are each worth millions. They can afford to pay people a fair wage. My old man has never hired an illegal, and only has 250 head of cattle yet manages to live comfortably. These people are just greedy.

[–]ZaungastCAN 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

"if you can't find employees to work your farm who are legal, you aren't offering them a fair wage."

You are 100% correct. This is the most fundamental principle of capitalist labour markets. If anyone demands a subsidy for their workers, they are either raking in profits they refuse to risk, or the business is not viable. Either way it is not capitalism.

[–]FlowchartKen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not capitalism until they find a way to ship the jobs overseas where American citizens then stand zero chance of getting the jobs. But hey, at least it keeps some immigrants away. /s

[–]AskMeIfISupportTrumpFL 100ポイント101ポイント  (76子コメント)

Seriously - how can anyone not afford to at least pay minimum wage plus payroll taxes

[–]GumdropGoober 48ポイント49ポイント  (44子コメント)

Uh-- they do.

The problem is finding full Americans who want to do that shit labor for only minimum wage.

[–]LadyLibertyPrimeNC 110ポイント111ポイント  (36子コメント)

That's because it should pay more than minimum wage, not because Americans won't do the work.

[–]yourpants 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think people only think it might be a problem since basic labor jobs are taken by so many Mexicans, legal or otherwise. I've met plenty of white and black people who find a lot of gratification in their jobs, even if they are labor intensive. Sure, a lot of people prefer cushy office jobs, but a lot of people don't. But as long as illegal immigrants are driving down wages and not giving other legal citizens a fair chance at these jobs, we'll never know just how many are totally willing to do said jobs. Hell, the innovation in revitalizing the market could actually end up making the jobs easier for them overall, thus benefiting them and the consumer.

[–]qaaqa 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I hate office jobs.

Its like living in a prison cell.

[–]YoungForever 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why? I work in an office. Every day at lunch I play cards. I go for walks in the afternoon. It's really nice and I get the work done at my own pace. I work from home too if I have the cable guy coming over or whatever.

[–]iKnitSweatas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shhh, we can't have everybody doing office jobs...

[–]Anon_Amous 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But as long as illegal immigrants are driving down wages and not giving other legal citizens a fair chance at these jobs, we'll never know just how many are totally willing to do said jobs

This is really the important point and you explained it concisely.

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    [–]DragofireheartNH 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Free Market forces: if you ignore them, they ignore you.

    [–]kant_stump_da_trump 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Minimum wage isn't the issue. Believe me, any farmer would love it if they could get away with paying their laborers nothing more than the minimum wage. But given the back breaking work involved in farm labor, even illegal Mexicans demand a higher salary.

    What we are talking about here is a fair wage for the work involved. Yes, paying a living wage will require farmers to cut into their profits, and, yes, some of that cost will be passed on to us consumers. But that's the price we, as Americans, need to pay to keep these illegal murderers and rapists out of our country. And we need to start prosecuting the shit bag farmers who hire these Latino border crossers, and by doing so, undercut competing farms who follow fucking labor laws.

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      [–]anywherebutdown 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Get this person a beer!

      [–]Shippoyasha 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It is essentially slave labor in everything but name. Businesses will threaten workers or even foreign students with deportation to scare them in line and pay them piss poor, illegally low wages.

      [–]stabbingrobotrobertoAZ 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Same here. My Dad still works for several local dairy farms doing equipment maintenance since he sold all his cattle. Those farms all have LEGAL immigrants who get paid well for their work. Plus, one farmer provides houses for his guys, and they are not little shitty shacks, these are three and four bedroom houses like you expect in middle class America. Plus, every single one of those guys has a late model Ford or Chevy 4x4 that is all customized out (lifted, custom rims and tires). The one guy I've talked to there gets his lunch delivered daily by his wife in her GMC Denali. I think those guys are doing just fine...

      [–]apollopotamus 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Amen. I come from a family of working class people and the notion that there are certain jobs Americans won't do is baloney. What they actually mean is that Americans won't do the job for less than minimum wage.

      [–]-Scathe-CA 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Furthermore Americans will work those jobs at minimum wage I promise you. I have literally shoveled garbage for a pay check with nothing but Americans. We're not above any type of labor.

      The farmers who say only illegals will work for them are stuck in a post-hoc fallacy: "we only hire illegals therefore no Americans will work these jobs." It's bullshit.

      [–]Dragas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It reminds me of one of my first jobs i had when i was 16. I was tasked with the job of using this guys wood splitter to chop all these pre cut trees into 8 pieces. There were hundreds of these stumps that i had to grab and put on this machine to get cut. I worked 12 hours the first day, and 8 hours the second.

      Long story short, me and my brother got 75$ each along with some KFC which the old man who hired us ate most of....

      [–]DragofireheartNH 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Born and raised on a farm, if you can't find employees to work your farm who are legal, you aren't offering them a fair wage.

      FUCKING SHITLORD THAT'S RACIST AS FUCK

      [–]Thejewell25 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      DO WE LOVE THIS MAN. MAGA

      [–]eddydio 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

      This is a position held by the democratic party too. Perhaps increasing the minimum wage to safe guard against greedy assholes?

      [–]iKnitSweatas 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      That will just hurt the business owners who aren't greedy assholes and cause prices to increase for everybody else while speeding up the process of outsourcing or automation. If the job is capable of being done by an unskilled worker who is willing to do it at 3 dollars an hour, why would the owner pay the worker who costs more? The only people the farmer could afford to pay 15 (assumed minimum wage increase) dollars an hour are the people who are capable of producing more than 15 dollars an hour in value for the farmer, otherwise he will lose money.

      [–]eddydio 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      But the unskilled worker who is willing to do it for $3/hr is most likely an undocumented immigrant so we're back to square one. That "hurts small businesses" line has been used so many times, but holds no water. The cost offset from the sharp reduction of turnover and increased spending power of low-income families cancels out the increase in overhead costs in every case-study.

      [–]iKnitSweatas 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Well I agree they should be legal. But outsourcing according to most economists, is a good thing for the country as a whole. Can you imagine if we still had all the factories here making clothes? Every time we lose jobs we typically replace them with much more comfortable and intellectually stimulating jobs. Consumers in the U.S. and really everywhere have shown they value cheap things. Cheap clothes, cheap food, cheap cars and whatever else. Business owners are simply doing whatever they can to meet that demand.

      [–]eddydio 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yes, but you can't exactly outsource shoveling shit at a dairy farm. For those jobs we need decent wages and benefits to attract and retain domestic workers.

      [–]iKnitSweatas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If they had to pay people higher wages, doesn't that mean more expensive food costs?

      [–]happypants249 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      When I heard they had that many cows I assumed they were worth a lot.

      I had no idea that they'd be worth millions. Pay your fucken workers above slave wages and you wont need to bring in illegals.

      [–]TrapperJon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Depends on if your state regulates the prices of milk.

      [–]Hydra-- -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      b-but if I hire legal workers, I'll have to wait 3 months longer to buy my 7th holiday home!

      [–]Cometflyer12 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      The problem is, if you do that and someone else doesn't, your cost goes up in comparison to all the other farmers. Then not only are you dealing wither higher production cost, but no one's buying your product.

      [–]qaaqa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So report all the other shit hole farmers that are cheating and raise your wages.

      [–]Commyende -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Luckily, Trump's plan isn't to only deport illegal immigrants from southeastern Wisconsin. Everyone will have to start paying a wage that will draw workers from other industries.

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        [–]TetraBugMA 111ポイント112ポイント  (31子コメント)

        Isn't it illegal to knowingly employ illegal immigrants?

        [–]jcm267CT[S] 109ポイント110ポイント  (10子コメント)

        I have relatives who run a dairy farm in Connecticut. It's only 120 head which is on the "big" side for this area. One of his competitors had a newspaper, a TV reporter, and the Congressman for the area at his farm. He told them he couldn't afford to stay in business without illegals. I told this to my relative, who only hires Americans, and he told me that he knows that farmer spends most of his summer out on his boat.

        [–]TetraBugMA 78ポイント79ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Honestly this really bothers me. How can you go on TV, admit to breaking the law and dodging taxes AND play the victim? I bust my ass and pay what I owe, meanwhile these pricks live large while ignoring the law and complain that their illegal activities might be threatened? Fuck em.

        [–]HIGH___ENERGY 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

        corporate welfare needs to end completely

        [–]TrumpGalNY 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

        What party is the Congressman if you happen to know?

        The sad thing is I wouldn't be surprised either way.

        [–]jcm267CT[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

        He is a Democrat, Joe Courtney.

        [–]bigboy19CT 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Also from CT, our political atmosphere IS A MESS.

        [–]jcm267CT[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Absolutely.

        [–]TrunksDadCT 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        One hundred percent. It's fucking enraging that Malloy allowed GE to leave.

        [–]jcm267CT[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Didn't you hear? The libs think that GE leaving isn't a bad thing and that they didn't do much for us anyways.

        And to think Connecticut used to benefit from its status as a low tax state located close to NYC. This crap started with Lowell Weicker but Malloy's been the worst yet.

        [–]bigboy19CT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        And the loss of major firearms companies that have been integral to the state economy since oh I don't know...always?

        [–]TheThingsIThink 44ポイント45ポイント  (13子コメント)

        It's even illegal if you don't know they are illegal. You have to be incompetent or complicent with all the checks the govt has employers go through

        [–]AskMeIfISupportTrumpFL 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

        At every office job I've ever had, the first thing I had to do my very first day was prove I was a US citizen by showing my US passport. No checks at all when I worked my first job in fast food though. Why don't all businesses have this set up?

        Edit: I did of course have to give them my social so they could take out taxes, but a social can be faked

        [–]sniffing_accountantTX 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        When i worked in fast food many moons ago, I had to provide proof of citizenship.

        This was in Texas tho so it may have been different.

        Do you support Trump?

        [–]LadyLibertyPrimeNC 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It varies state to state, which is why we need national laws enforced and mandatory eVerify.

        [–]TheThingsIThink 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They do. But they hire under the table. Look up E-verify

        [–]PM_ME_UR_COATSCA 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I don't know about other states but in California that is not the case at all.

        [–]TrunksDadCT 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Also not true in Connecticut. In CT, it is actually illegal to question the legitimacy of an applicant's working papers. If they have all their documents, you legally have to assume that the documents are legitimate. Only in the event of a documented incident where an illegal immigrant was found working for you are you allowed to verify the citizenship of the rest of your workers en masse. If the illegal immigrant had papers that could reasonably pass visual inspection, the proprietor isn't held at fault.

        [–]TheThingsIThink 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        You mean to tell me that on Cali you don't need to present Id? One from column A, or one each from column B and C?

        [–]Jaydubya05 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I work freelance in CA and had to fill out an I-9 for every gig with a company. There is some ill toss you a little cash to do ( insert random gig here) going on though it's just the nature of business

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            [–]AskMeIfISupportTrumpFL 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

            But, But, I need to hire illegal immigrants and pay them under the table so I can avoid Payroll Taxes and save on wages!

            [–]Underwood2016 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Illegal like driving 5 miles over the limit is illegal. The ones that do it feel they have to in order to stay in business and if you get caught oh well cost of doing business pay the fine or dump your business and start a new one.

            Also, it's not as simple as "this guy's name is Jesus and he doesn't speak English, maybe I shouldn't hire him." The owner just asks for some basic documentation when he hires him, like an id and SS card so that he can report taxes withdrawn. If the illegal can provide that(because it's fake or stolen), the owner has plausible deniability and can just look the other way.

            If that hasn't annoyed you enough yet, get this: a lot of illegals get caught at the border, and then just let go. Basically, they get caught and processed and then told "hey man, you're accused of coming here illegally. Here's a court date a few weeks from now, now I'm gonna let you go and you make sure you show up, ok?"

            It's a big fucked up system where everyone knows the law is being broken but they look the other way because they benefit from it. This cheesehead is basically saying "please don't shut down my business"

            Source: Have friends in the landscaping business. Vote with your dollars you cheap fucks and stop hiring ridiculously low-priced carpenters/plumbers/landscapers/whatever. If some guy charges you 100 bucks an hour it's because he has a business with overhead and taxes and licensing and permits to run, not because his salary is 100 bucks an hour and you feel mad because you went to college and don't even make half that.

            [–]YeOldeSaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I moved into one town on the East Coast and the lawncare workers were white. Over a period of years, this changed to what I presume to be mostly illegal. From what I understand, the owners of these businesses replaced their workers and pocketed the difference.

            The fence isn't a bad a idea, but it attacks the supply and not the demand. The quickest way to solve the problem is to crackdown on these business owners. Arrest them and start seizing property. They'll start obeying the law real quick. Once the jobs dry up, the illegals will self-deport.

            Instead of workers competing for jobs, the employers should be competing for workers. We saw with Silicon Valley that even the richest employers don't want to do this; Apple and others got slapped for anti-poaching agreements. They still haven't stopped trying since FWD.us is lobbying for an amnesty that should bring in more tech workers as well. Got to love those H1B visa shills.

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              [–]simpleclear 62ポイント63ポイント  (9子コメント)

              +100%. I have to admit I'm a little sad that Trump decided to soft-sell this.

              [–]biohazardforlunch 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

              The question kinda took me by surprise. The guy is obviously only wanting cheap labor. I'd tell him that we would stop illegal immigration and the market would have to adjust.

              [–]HillarysGoochNH 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

              This. I'm sick of this "they do jobs American's won't" bullshit, people will do any job if the wage is right.

              Hell Sarah Isgur even slept with Ted Cruz for 500,000 dollars.

              [–]LadyLibertyPrimeNC 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That was beautiful man. Here, have a beautiful wall to go with it.

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              [–]biohazardforlunch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              rekt

              [–]dardanmm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              STICKY THIS POST

              [–]simpleclear 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Well, he was asked basically the same question by a journo in the presser pre-rally. Big Dairy is big in WI.

              [–]WoodTrophyLA 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

              He who soft-sells knows all. Have faith fellow navigator

              [–]simpleclear 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Right, I know. People are always saying "Ooooh, can't he be a little more delicate?" so I guess we should appreciate it when he decides to show us finesse.

              [–]The_StumperCAN 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

              He soft served it.

              [–]YHWHandSon 47ポイント48ポイント  (9子コメント)

              Americans won't do those jobs at the prevailing wage, which is way below what it should be. If being a strawberry picker paid well, citizens would do it

              [–]CynicalYetOptimistic 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Ding, ding, ding! The illegal immigration stance is simply a pro-business, fuck workers position. Everyday Americans don't want illegal immigration to flourish, the SJW and businesses have this issue in common.

              [–]YHWHandSon 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Which is why I think it's most important to disincentivize employers from hiring illegal labor.

              [–]CynicalYetOptimistic 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

              You're too based for me. I mean, it just makes so much damn sense to remove the incentive businesses have to pay people less money that are willing to take it. By removing that incentive they will either have to adjust what they pay, automate, or go out of business. If it was really that simple it would have already be done though right?! I mean, it's not like the politicians are in bed with these people right?!?!

              [–]YHWHandSon 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

              You know, I was having a good day until I remembered that politicians are gonna try to their last breath to pass TPP, thereby granting multi-nationals unfettered access to the cheap labor of the Global South. God help us all

              [–]CynicalYetOptimistic 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              If it makes you feel any better, God Emperor Daddy Trump will shit on all this TPP bullshit if/when he is elected.

              [–]YHWHandSon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Political class is Caliban, it bides its time and bites

              [–]CBruce 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Well, it's got to pay significantly better than doing jack shit, which is what welfare recipients currently do

              [–]advena_tempus_viator 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Kind of a side note, but along with the wage not being high enough I feel like there is a social stigma against jobs like this. Like they are only for uneducated or lesser people.

              I love my job and it lets be be outside and be creative. It doesn't pay a lot, but it pays enough for me to live comfortably. Still whenever I talk with family they always tell me I should go back to school and get a different job.

              Education is great, but we need to stop having the mindset that anyone who doesn't sit around in an office all day is some kind of failure.

              [–]YHWHandSon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I, too, loved my manual labor job

              [–]YoureAllCasualsCA 63ポイント64ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Americans won't do the work because the wages are grossly deflated by (surprise surprise) millions of illegal immigrants who work under the table and send the money back to their family in their home country!

              To the people who argue for keeping prices down through illegally low wages: If we outsourced everything to keep prices down, nobody could afford it because there wouldn't be any goddamn jobs left for Americans! Raising the cost of goods is the price to be paid for injecting $500 billion dollars in wages into the American economy through employment of American citizens! It's a net fucking positive to the economy.

              [–]PM_ME_UR_COATSCA 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              An even better rebuttal would be that anybody who would argue that keeping prices down through illegally low wages would be their a complete and utter piece of shit for valuing cheap strawberries over their communities.

              The illegal immigrant/illegal wage scam is literally bad for everybody except the greedy business owner. American's lose out on what should be decent paying jobs, and the underpaid illegals who do take those jobs at an illegal wage are essentially putting themselves on a hamster wheel - they will never get ahead.

              Granted, for some that $40/day is more than they could get in their home country, this still isn't the answer.

              [–]stabbingrobotrobertoAZ 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Americans won't do the work because the wages are grossly deflated by (surprise surprise) millions of illegal immigrants who work under the table and send the money back to their family in their home country!

              I ike the idea of taxing "remittances" to foreign countries. This will discourage the practice of working for under-the-table wages and then sending as much as possible outside the US.

              [–]emokneegrow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Or you know, blame the people hiring the illegals so they can save money and be fat greedy shit ducks.

              [–]MyKettleIsNotBlackCA 24ポイント25ポイント  (10子コメント)

              I too own three dairy farmers, and they prefer illegal labor.

              [–]bocomobroMO 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

              I mean I'm sure illegals get a hell of a lot more done than purple haired Bernie voters do.

              [–]feyrbandOH 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

              they do, and so do the legal latinos. it's nearly impossible to get someone white (never seen a black or asian applicant in 30 years) to reliably show up for more than a day or two on a farm. those raised in the country are usually busy with their own families' shit or getting out of there after high school.

              [–]MyKettleIsNotBlackCA 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

              This is perhaps the best reason to continue immigration policy at all instead of suspending it. Produce farms largely depend on migrant labor or quarter-million-dollar machines that are unaffordable for most farmers.

              [–]Mamoth_SunCA 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I'm sorry but this does not have to be the case. I'm a white guy with agriculture experience, most white people don't want to do agriculture work because the current safety standards are pure rubbish, and the pay is terrible.

              If you payed your workers better and stopped exposing your workers to hazardous pesticides and made an effort to create a safe working environment more white people would work for you.

              [–]LowEffortPoster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              White dude in Florida here. I would gladly pick tomatoes for the minimum wage when farms need it, but they only hire migrants because they get away with paying them less than a third of that.

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                [–]cannottsump 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Then quit paying bullshit wages

                [–]MyKettleIsNotBlackCA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I currently pay them in Wish Bonds, or wishes to be granted when they mature in 2020. But I'll take that under advisement.

                [–]jamesgalb 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

                amen!

                I cant believe that man had the gall to ask if he was going to be able to continue to underpay his welfare receiving illegal workers, in order to maintain his profit margins.

                Fuck this guy. I cant wait until real Americans take over the dairy industry once this guy has closed up shop and moved elsewhere to exploit people and systems... Start paying some tax paying american citizens and start valuing your employees more.

                [–]LEFTISTS_BTFOUSA 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Honestly. That shit pissed me off, especially the way he was asking the question so confidently as if it didn't make him a complete asshole.

                In case anyone is wondering how these illegal cock suckers can even afford to live on a wage that undercuts the minimum wage, you must first take in to account that these people will literally live 10 or 15 people to an apartment meant for like 3 or 4, severely cutting down on their rent. Not only that, many times and in many states illegal immigrants can qualify for Section 8 housing, which is fucking absurd and infuriating on its own. But that's not it, they also can get food stamps and use many other FREE government programs, milking the NATIVE American's tax dollars for all they are worth. There is more, but that is all it takes tbh.. think about it.. if your house and food payments each month are barely anything, then what the fuck else do you really need money for? You could easily live off of $5/hour, and even send a good 1/4 of your paycheck back home to Lupe and still be living fine, relatively speaking.

                FUCKINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG RRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

                [–]Jaydubya05 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I'm confused at your use of Native in this context. Like 1st nation people or just your ol average joe American

                [–]TheThingsIThink 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Why not have more kids and make them do chores?

                [–]JohnKwando 107ポイント108ポイント  (35子コメント)

                sense of entitlement in this country is through the roof. Need a job? don't have a great skill set? suck it up and go milk some god damn cows until you get your shit together.

                [–]GenoseMI 95ポイント96ポイント  (18子コメント)

                Hiring illegal immigrants for less pay for hard labor jobs is the modern form of slavery. I am very sad that Trump let this one go so easily.

                [–]tholinss 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

                The human rights element of this is all too often ignored.

                [–]PM_ME_UR_COATSCA 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                That's how you win the libs over too.

                Pedro y Paco aren't exactly living the American fucking dream. Mexico is becoming a failed nation and we're only enabling it.

                [–]tholinss 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                It really is. Illegal immigration isn't an answer for anyone.

                The money people send home doesn't do much good either, considering how corrupt the damn country is. Between the government and the cartels, you lose quite a big chunk of whatever you've got. The more money your family in America sends you, the more money the local police chief or drug lord is going to take away.

                Mexico needs to fix its corruption problem and offer its people a functioning economy. We can't keep propping their bullshit up.

                [–]DuvalpedeFL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                That's why we need to tax ALL money transfers to Mexican accounts. Stop letting them waste our money so that wall can just be 10 feet higher.

                [–]Mint-berry-crunch33TX 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Trump should have called him out and sacrificed a few individual votes.

                [–]real_gekido 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                In that setting it would have been too antagonistic to blame the questioner for the issue. Really it's not his fault and the way he phrased his question was the definition of begging the question. "I am short cheap labor and need more immigrants to support my farm how will your policy enable this?" = My farm won't survive without cheap labor, which is probably true. If he hired at the wage that sort of work deserved he'd be dead in the water. Donald went the right route by saying he's going to improve our trading situation. Plus with more tax incentives and deporting all the illegal leaches that drive down the economy, he will naturally be able to pay more worker with higher wages and still turn a profit.

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                  [–]shadowman3001KY 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  TFW you literally prep the bull for a living.

                  [–]WHO_1S_JOHN_GALT 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  Spot on. Before finishing my engineering degree I had to do landscape work with illegal immigrants and my high school dropout cousin. My cousin would always slack off and be on his phone instead of working. Always bitching to me about how he misses his sales job. Eventually he ended up not even showing up while I continued to work my ass off. I find it ironic that I had knowledge of computer programming and high level math while busting my ass working with illegal immigrants without a problem, while my cousin with no education thought he was above this work. This is a grassroots example of this problem within our great country and I think Trump will ultimately fix this.

                  [–]NotmydirtyaltAUS 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's also the sense of entitlement that has been routed in our culture where the white collar looks down on the blue.

                  Even though in my country the tradies can earn twice as much as a graduate in less time.

                  Stop looking down on the guy who pumps your petrol or makes your big mac you stuck up fucks, the kid is paying his way through college or trying to get a car or doing something other than asking for a handout.

                  [–]nomadofwaves 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  You can't fix laziness with politics.

                  [–]WHO_1S_JOHN_GALT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  But what is the cause of laziness? If an animal is too lazy to hunt for food will it survive? Or will its fellow animal provide it food?

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                      [–]polakfuryPOL 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Bingo

                      [–]WoodTrophyLA 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      ...But.. but... You're saying I have to pay for my college? /s

                      [–]jaykeithOR 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      God I wish I could pay for my college. That is an entire discussion to itself.

                      I worked full time as a pharmacy technician making around 18 an hour and living alone I barely made ends meet. Don't even TALK to me about college costs. If youre a single white male with no kids you don't get the good government handouts. Seriously. If I went out and popped 5 kids and quit my job I'd probably qualify for a college loan tomorrow. That's where we are as a country

                      [–]WoodTrophyLA 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      I, being a single white male who took out loans in my own name to pay for college, completely understand. But it shouldn't be a free handout.

                      Edit: Also, everyone can get federal loans.. everyone.

                      [–]Jaydubya05 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Shhh... Don't ruin his obviously stupid story brah.

                      Pre edit: if you're making 18 bucks an hour by yourself and can't afford college, You're doing it wrong. Unless you live in SF or Manhattan in which case move.

                      [–]TralfamadorianGray 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      What we need are zero interest rate loans, or, free college with a life added tax (something like 2% off every paycheck after college)

                      [–]horizoning 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      When I was working my way through college as a single, able, white male, the government paid for me... in that I enlisted in the National Guard and actually put something at stake to earn that education.

                      Why isn't this the case for all able-bodied youths who can't afford school? Serve your country in some capacity, and then your country serves you. It's not an incomprehensible concept.

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                        [–]TRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMPOH 40ポイント41ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        We seriously need to just start fresh and boot the illegals. I'd rather have the government pay food stamps and a stipend to people working shitty seasonal part time jobs than import foreigners for it.

                        [–]TRUMPIONUSA 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        We need to close the border first, or else we'll just end up like Sisyphus.

                        [–]kingofthekartsVA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Yeah, it will be a process that will easily take Trumps entire first term because you really can't start deporting until the wall is built.

                        [–]33cu 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Hire illegals because you're greedy or have a bad business model. Let the good business thrive and the bad go out of business.

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                          [–]lolmonger 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          >be liberal cuck

                          >scream about minimum wages for years

                          >say that fair pay is a human right

                          >read Durkheim during coffee shop vape break

                          >see Americans angry about illegals depressing wages

                          >tfw you have to say illegal immigration is necessary to do the jobs Americans won't do

                          [–]ihatemylifesobadPA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Nah dude. Manual labor is worthless. It's too draining to the system to pay above $5/hour to people who aren't liberal arts majors. A $15 minimum wage should only apply for college grad jobs like McDonalds cashier or Starbucks baristas. Once they get a job with their liberal arts degree, they'll be making 6 figures, easy.

                          The gender studies industry just took a bad hit recently because of how much those fucking illegals get paid.

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                            [–]NorthJersey908NJ 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            This is the shit about foreign workers that bothers me. There is no such thing as 'a job Americans won't do.' Only jobs Americans won't do for unfair pay. Pay someone well enough, they'll shovel shit for you all day. You aren't going to get by paying someone slave wages to do it

                            [–]anywherebutdown 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            There was a time when everything was done by hand. Agreed 100%

                            [–]AskMeIfISupportTrumpFL 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            It's kind of like these people are okay with a system of second-class citizens performing the hard labor jobs for Americans at cheap wages.

                            [–]33cu 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I'd milk cows for $50,000 and my wife will too. $100,000 income in Wisconsin with no kids = win.

                            But when you rather pay $25,000-$33,000 a year then we can find easier work.

                            Plus you're working odd hours, outside, around cows, long shifts, 6-7 days a week.

                            [–]cumfarts 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I think you're greatly overestimating how much illegals get paid. 30k is about what the average American makes in a year. Full time at minimum wage is about 15k a year.

                            [–]COINTELPROAgent 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            But if they didn't hire illegals they'd have to go without their new F350s and brand new farm equipment, and might have to use their old barns for a few more years instead of burning them down and putting up new postframe buildings. Won't someone think of the poor farmers!

                            [–]MoonBaboon 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            We have the best people in this county, the best. High energy country!

                            [–]TelAvivPhonebook 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            These employers think that increasing their profit margins are more important than a just, cohesive society. What do we call people who sell out their country for thirty pieces of silver?

                            [–]Ovadia_YosefIL 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            It really pisses me off that some people out there simply refuse to pay Americans a living wage in exchange for working their ass off all day in the fields. I support capitalism, but there's more to a nation than how many pennies you can squeeze out of your employees.

                            [–]WoodTrophyLA 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            STUMP THE ILLEGALS, BUILD A WALL, AND RELAX WHILE TRUMP BRINGS AMERICA BACK

                            [–]TinFoilWizardHat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            When employers say that they can't get Americans to do the jobs what they actually mean to say is that they can't get Americans to do the jobs at the WAGES THEY WANT TO PAY THEM.

                            [–]clickclick-boom 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The argument that Americans "won't do" a job is bullshit. People will do any job as long as they feel they are being justly compensated. It should be absolutely no surprise to any employer that as a population becomes more educated and skilled (relative to the older generations) they will demand a higher wage. Pay people enough to milk cows and they will milk cows.

                            American business owners like to go on about market forces. Well, you are marketing a job with an uncompetitive wage, and hence people are not "buying" it. Adapt the job, adapt the wage, or your business is not viable. If you want to hire people for peanuts go set up a farm in a third world country, oh but then you wouldn't enjoy all the benefits of being in the US. Funny that isn't it? People like that farmer want all the rewards of living in a country like the US but want to have the employment standards of third world countries. You want to pay Mexico wages? Go to Mexico.

                            [–]Haaselh0ffOK 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            A Common misconceptions of the Economy and Small Business:

                            "If I hire legal workers I'll have to pay more and in turn lose money" Actually this is kinda false! If you pay your employees more then they will be willing to spend more and as a result help boost the economy which in turn boosts your products which in turn allows you to earn more profits. The economy works in mysterious ways.

                            [–]Ovadia_YosefIL 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Also, if you pay your employee a living wage, they don't have to go on welfare.

                            [–]allegorically_hitlerVA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            and with less welfare you end up having... lower taxes

                            [–]EasymodeX 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            then they will be willing to spend more and as a result help boost the economy which in turn boosts your products which in turn allows you to earn more profits. The economy works in mysterious ways.

                            Problem: milk prices are regulated so in this case, they will not, in fact, be able to boost prices or increase revenues to match their increased costs, and will not earn more profits.

                            [–]Haaselh0ffOK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Damm, good point there

                            [–]tsxboyIL 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I just got back from Cancun. I realized the Mexicans there spoke better English than a lot I've seen here.. and the kicker is that are some are saving to come through that wall legally!!

                            [–]fablongNY 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Seriously, when did we start taking it for granted that a large portion of our economy simply consists of jobs that aren't appropriate for American citizens, and that importing cheap foreign labor is the only recourse? Tighten up immigration, reduce exploitable labor force, fewer workers = higher wages all around. It's that simple.

                            [–]whocaresguy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            whats the point of minimum wage laws when you can just have illegals do the work for cheaper?

                            [–]Jesus-Fuckin-TrumpTN 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Sell you fucking Harley Davidson that you ride once a year and pay Americans livable wages. The people have sold out their country so they can have more possessions

                            [–]StatecensorNY 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I remember around 2002-03 CNN had a report on how the war on terror was reducing the number of illegal aliens doing farm work. They had a farmer on who was almost in tears. He was whining about having to pay his workers 7 dollars an hour to harvest celery. That is 7 bucks an hour without having to cover workers comp, SSI, Medicare and Medicaid and countless other shit.

                            I remember watching it and almost throwing my beer at the TV. This guy was surrounded by millions of dollars worth of heavy equipment and he was crying about paying people 7 bucks an hour for working a grueling back breaking job.

                            Farmers need to start paying realistic wages. Especially these guys who subcontract out to companies worth billions.

                            [–]k-smackerelSC 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            BASED BOULDER

                            [–]scundoo2PA 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The government regulates the price of milk.

                            [–]scundoo2PA 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            never met a skinny dairy farmer.. them people are usually pretty thick young people.

                            [–]Lateknighttt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Supporting slave labor has always been a democratic position.

                            [–]MAGAMANIASC 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Trumps so alpha he doesn't even need to respond anymore. People do it for him.

                            [–]lagspike 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            MAKE MILKING COWS GREAT AGAIN

                            [–]CRISPR 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            What the heck is going on? Staunch republicans calling on employers to raise the wages?

                            [–]BrokenWrd 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            If your business depends on paying wages only illegals would work for then your business is doomed to fail.

                            [–]SlamOnTheMuzzleBrakeCO 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            The same idea, that cheap labor is vital to the economy, was used to justify slavery prior to the civil war. Yet, the USA recovered from a loss of slavery AND a civil war all at once and came out a better nation when it was all said and done.

                            [–]allegorically_hitlerVA 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            so we're going to have a civil war over having no borders. that will be an oddly defined war.

                            [–]SlamOnTheMuzzleBrakeCO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Or we could skip the whole war thing and just elect Trump

                            [–]RemingtonhTX 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Ted Cruz's campaign spokesperson is on Fox News saying the Michelle fields incident shows a trickle down affect of the belligerence and violence of the Trump campaign. Vote for Cruz, a candidate that's a unifier. Then she says they aren't politicizing it. It's freaking laughable. Katrina is there slaying though.

                            [–]lytleladyCA 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I'm so tired of the accusation that LEGAL American workers won't do labor intensive jobs. I'm a small chick and when I was 16 I was applying to every farm in my area I could find because when you're desperate (like a lot of the LEGAL American workers are right now) a job is a job. The reason a good majority of the farmers won't hire the legal workers is because we won't take BELOW minimum wage. If these employers are hiring illegals, do you think they're actually following the minimum wage laws? No.

                            So they pay them these shit wages. The illegals then live 4 families deep in 1 bedroom apartments because that's all they can afford and turn communities into mimi TJ. It has ruined the economy and communities all over southern California and beyond.

                            I want Trump to not only bring the jobs back to America, but back to the Americans.

                            [–]mureni 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Amen sister. By enforcing immigration laws already in place, it clears up those positions for people like you and I who aren't afraid of dirt if it means a job. If LEGAL immigrants want to come in on working visas, that's fine and actually very important, but that makes them part of the same job pool as already legal workers. A good hiring employer SHOULD be more likely to hire the best worker applying, and if you are less caps me than a legal immigrant that's your own fault.

                            By the way I don't mean "you" as in you specifically because you said you're a grill and in California so we might meet one day and get married so please don't hate me k 😇

                            [–]i_like_turtles_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Pay them more. Stop trying to circumvent our free market system.

                            [–]ShavedArm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The wall just got 10 feet higher!

                            [–]rickfromrickandmortyAZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Dat FUTA tho

                            [–]lll_allow_it 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Raise wages = increase income tax revenue

                            [–]Wolfs_ClawCA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            There's never a labor shortage in a nation of 300 million people, assuming the equilibrium wage is met.

                            [–]Getimouttahere 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Having been born to parents who didn't own squat; having worked my way up from below minimum wage to become a self-employed businessman, this common attitude expressed by business owners is an abject disgrace and enrages me. The rules of law and of the God-damned market should apply to you just like they apply to the proles; you have to pay up to get a quality product or service.

                            These "We can't get enough employees to do X" country-club Republican jackasses are the very same criminals who support and lobby the GOPe for amnesty and unbridled H-1B and H-2B abuse.

                            Perfect example of why Donald J. Trump has beaten the hell out of sitting Republican governors and senators. When's the last time you heard him piss and moan about how hard it is to fill jobs constructing buildings, cleaning hotel rooms, or tending golf courses?

                            [–]vacuuUSA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Let's be a little more thoughtful about this.

                            These people have to use illegal work because their competitors use illegal work. Their competitors will undercut them otherwise.

                            These guys are business owners who are trying to run the most efficient business possible, and rightly so.

                            The problem here is that we let illegals in this country at all. It's a failure of our nation protecting our borders which is driving wages down. If that were not the case, these guys would be competing for american workers and they'd be paying higher wages. And their products would be more expensive. But people would also have more money from better paying jobs, and could afford the more expensive products.

                            It's all a circular chain of events, the failure is that LAWS ARE BEING BROKEN because there are ILLEGAL immigrants.

                            The second part of the problem is that we get ripped off in trade. We don't fight for fair trade, we let other countries implement protectionist trade practices and we do nothing to stop it, like fools. It's corrupt to the core.

                            These guys are business people who are working by the numbers. It's not their fault that they are put in a shitty situation by our politicians. You want to know why only the "slimy" big business guys own everything? Because all the good ones went out of business because they couldn't compete, because they didn't hire illegals.

                            [–]ajsatx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Can't wait to hear her on Milo's podcast.

                            [–]qaaqa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Laura ingraham just did the same thing to a farmer guy indie radio they other day.

                            She Said he needed to raise the wages. She Said that was capsitalism. She Said if he was running a business that required him to break the law to stay in business then his business should go broke.

                            Said she pays her housekeepers over $20 a an hour.

                            [–]pdizzle131313CA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            That farmer needed to STFU. Just like the military guy who wanted us to be nice to all the poor Muslims. GTFO

                            [–]kernel456 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I often see the left ridiculing poor people because they support Trump (or a right wing party here in Europe). "How can they support him when he goes against their personal interest? They're clearly retarded and gullible! WE'RE on their side!" At the same time I see lefties supporting the large scale import of illegal immigrants working for less than half the pay and zero rights, which means that citizens are forced to compete against that if they want a job.

                            Here in Sweden it's pretty common that the state offers to pay most or all of the wage for immigrants, which means that a company can choose to hire an immigrant and pay him a dollar per hour, or hire a Swede and pay him ten dollars per hour. If Sven wants to compete with Mohammed then he has to lower his wage way below a liveable standard. It's also getting more common that politicians, media, and "think tanks" say that the only way to reduce unemployment among immigrants is to drastically lower the wages and cripple workers' rights for everyone. They then call us lazy and entitled if we say we want a fair and liveable wage.

                            I've seen so many Americans and Europeans praise immigrants who apparently work 12+ hours per day for below minimum wage, and then attack their own kids for being lazy and entitled when they want a fair job and a fair pay. Then these same morons complain that their kids don't have a car, house and a family yet.

                            Apparently these people are working for my well-being and their work and ideology is benefiting me, but I just can't figure out how. Maybe I'm just too poor and dumb to know that's good for me.

                            [–]megaspif 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            These are the real enemies of America.

                            [–]reallybloodylongname 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            ...just not at the wages they want to pay.

                            [–]reallybloodylongname 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            ...just not at the wages they want to pay.

                            [–]reallybloodylongname 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Why do i have to subscribe to UpTrump this?

                            I thought this was America? Where's the Freedom?

                            [–]finnfinnfinnfinnfinn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            He owns a dairy farmer?

                            [–]DissaffectedDem 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            You cannot blame the individual business for having to compete in an environment that permits illegal labor to exist. Pinch the Labor supply and wages will rise naturally, supply and demand. I understand having to submit to the realities of the market but we should all feel diminished because we as a Nation have allowed Illegal Labor to fester.

                            [–]visualspeak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Fuck them!!! What they meant to say was "I wanna be as rich as possible and in order to do that I need to fuck as many people as I can out of wages. We NEED illegal aliens so that we can pay them pennies on the dollar."

                            What they said is REALLY FUCKED UP! Americans WANT to work AND be able to live life. 80 hour weeks because they only get 5$ an hour should be considered a crime against humanity. That's not living. You fucks. Cost of living rises and they don't understand that people need money to live?

                            [–]MC_Boom_FingerKS 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            The system is fucking outlined on his website. You get rid of illegals and stop the H1 visa programs. Now you put all the unemployed Americans in the fucking H1 pool and they get those jobs. Boom fucking unemployment all but fucking solved.

                            [–]WhereIsMyVC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The number of unemployed Americans could form their very own superpower nation. 100 million fucking people not working.

                            [–]thehardestkjel 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            I missed it what did trump answer?

                            [–]mureni 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Basically he said yes I will help you and everyone else hire LEGAL immigrants. I was actually surprised at how accomodating he was to that redcheeked farmer, if it were me I would've immediately called someone to investigate that guys current employment force.

                            [–]pdizzle131313CA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            He basically said there would still be Mexican workers but they would all be documented and be here legally.

                            [–]Toker840CO 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            So many big dairies and feed lots do this out in Colorado, the workers live in old worn out farm houses and single wides on the property so they don't get bothered by the government.

                            [–]5000_Cent5 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Only jobs Americans won't do those jobs at the wage that sort of work deserved he'd be dead in the presser pre-rally.

                            [–]sox503 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            This is perhaps the best reason to continue to underpay his welfare receiving illegal workers, in order to stay in business and start valuing your employees more then they will HAVE to pay a wage American workers will do the job for.

                            [–]zoolian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            mfw people say you can't get Americans to work on a dairy.

                            http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/blogs/lists/Archer-quotedown-5.jpg

                            [–]kshoggiWI 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I am seriously SO embarrassed by my state thus far in Trump's visit. The "conservative" talk radio hosts treating him like crap. The fact that he can't have large events near madison because of the threat of protest. And now this.

                            [–]verchas2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            If your business depends on paying wages only illegals would work for then your country in some capacity, and then bring them back in LEGALLY.

                            [–]jtandbrownPA -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            I'm truly conflicted here. Not on the illegals aspect of the man's argument but on Coulter's response. My answer to her is... It's not that easy. Our government has a cap on the price the farmer can charge for milk. If he's a small producer (like the majority of farmer's are in my area), a wage increase is impossible because he can't adjust his revenues without buying more cows. Aside from the cost of the cows, the food, medicine, he will have to hire more people to take care of them... I don't know how he wins...

                            [–]sunwukong155PA 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            The answer isn't very popular but we should subsidize farms in the US more.

                            We either allow foreign workers or we subsidize so he can afford to pay a higher wage. I think it's a worthy cause for my tax dollars to go towards as it keeps the price of agricultural goods low for me and it helps other Americans find jobs.

                            The only other answer is for America to abandon it's agricultural sector and import food.

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