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Trump campaign manager charged with battery over reporter incident (foxnews.com)

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[–]dapcook [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

now for the all out assault on twitter which Trump degrades her completely as a human.

[–]SF218 [スコア非表示]  (25子コメント)

It's good that this is going to court, but even under the most generous/liberal interpretations of the evidence at hand I can't see the simple battery charge sticking. HERE is the footage Jupiter police released. We can clearly see Corey grab Michelle's arm, which legally "satisfies" the requirements for simple battery. The problem is that, in Florida, battery is also one of the easiest crimes to defend against as there are a myriad of situations and exemptions that can be invoked in a defense.

Between the flimsy charge, the inconclusive video evidence presented, and Michelle's own recorded audio following the incident, I just can't see a guilty verdict being rendered.

[–]DanburyBaptistInalienable Rights of Conscience [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Are you kidding? The video definitely shows inappropriate conduct, with him yanking her back by the arm like that. He should have issued an apology in the first place instead of doubling down. He's getting what he deserves.

[–]1db1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If a male reported had been removed by the same force for interview ambushing trump the same way, we'd ridicule him for even insinuating that was assault.

[–]DanburyBaptistInalienable Rights of Conscience [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Battery. And whether man or woman, Lewandowski shouldn't be yanking people around, bruising them, and lying about it.

[–]catdecal#NEVERTRUMP [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And lets be clear, he initially lied by denying ANY contact. That claim has been clearly contradicted by video evidence.

So now that we've established he lied, and there was contact, the only point of debate is the severity of it, and I think the bruises answer that question.

[–]vacuu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He didn't even break stride or make eye contact whatsoever as he was walking by her. He didn't know who she was, why would he remember walking by some random person in a crowd?

[–]Roez [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I worked for a time in a prosecutors office (some time ago granted) and have prosecuted some smaller cases.

The standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. The proof can be one person's word against another person's. People might disagree on how much merit to give the proof, that's why they say, "it's up to the judge and/or jury to determine the facts."

In this case you have a woman who has bruises on her arm, which she has photos of. If someone concludes she's being honest about her claim, which does mesh with the video and injury evidence, then that can be sufficient.

Beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean 100% certain to anyone who looks over the evidence. Otherwise as far as facts go, a judge and/or jury wouldn't be necessary.

The thing about this claim is social media is the last place to go to try to determine what other people see objectively. There's way to much bias. Trump's supporters are often rabid. A lot of crap I saw about the videos, and misleading claims, is proof. Remove that, and her claim is not even remotely far fetched. 100% certain, nope, but still I can see a prosecutor giving it credibility. In fact, I am not surprised there are charges filed, though I highly doubt anything will come of it.

[–]BadgerCabin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

In this case you have a woman who has bruises on her arm, which she has photos of.

The bruises are on her lower arm. The video showed her being grabbed on her upper arm, near her shoulder.

[–]Roez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Depends on what video. The secrete service agent did touch her after the fact as he passed by. One video was selectively edited as a short clip to make it look like it was the CM, when it wasn't. The manager used his left arm, the secret service agent his right. What that video does show is the startled look on her face, which is relevant. There are other videos which clearly show the CM reaching in with his left hand, and you can see the secret service agent to his right and slightly behind him--which verifies the short edited clip is actually the secrete service agent.

People also forget there's a witness who reported it too, before she even went forward with it as I recall. Either or, there's a witness corroborating her story.

So: there's video showing she was there and the CM was there in close vicinity. There's video which clearly shows her face is startled (or can be interpreted as such), there's a witness who doesn't have clear connection with her corroborating her story. There's bruises, and there's the fact she said it happened. That's better than a lot of criminal cases.

edit: here's the PD's video of the incident, and it's very clear exactly as I said: he used his left arm to grab her: http://www.dailywire.com/news/4475/trumps-campaign-manager-charged-battery-reporter-james-barrett

That's actually as close to 100% proof, beyond question, as it gets outside a confession.

[–]EliPoo94 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Which specific laws would get Corey out of this?

To me, it's very clear that he DID commit battery under Florida law

[–]BadgerCabin [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Exactly! Everyone who has been in a NY subway should be thrown in jail as well. Anyone who attended a Metal concert should be charged with manslaughter. /s

[–]weatherproofed [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

She is walking with Trump and Corey(behind Trump) literally pulls her back behind himself, I don't see anyone moving through a crowd like that and a campaign advisor for a presidential nominee should definitely not be touching anyone that way.

[–]EliPoo94 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What the hell are you doing touching women like this in a subway?

[–]forbin1992 [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Doesn't mean damage hasn't been done.

[–]SF218 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Damage in what context?

[–]forbin1992 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

To trump's popularity/campaign?

How many times has this guy said "We're gonna have the best people! Such wonderful people!"

Cruz will now be ripping that notion to shreds. Tee ball basically

[–]SF218 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I honestly don't think this is going to affect Trump's popularity at all. To many this is a non-story. Michelle Fields lost a lot of credibility and public sympathy when she proclaimed that this was "the worst experience I've gone through". Again, I'm glad this is getting a chance to be looked at objectively through the legal process, but this charge is going to be an uphill battle and a half for the prosecution.

[–]Racheakt [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I honestly don't think this is going to affect Trump's popularity at all.

Nope, those who support Trump will see this as a non-issue, he haters will treat it like she was mugged an beaten.

This is a misdemeanor charge.

I think in the police video it does appear he grabbed her arm; but this was a crowded area and she was blocking the path of the candidate leaving. From my view it looks more benign than villainous. He probably does not remember doing it, and if he did he didn't know who she was -- evidenced by the fact she did no know him by the audio.

She is a contributor for a punditry/blog site, she was going in trying to get statement to write about at the end of an appearance, after the Q&A is done, good for her trying to go above and beyond, but there are lots of events where reporters get pushed around and out of the way like this.

this charge is going to be an uphill battle and a half for the prosecution.

This I can agree on. They are hanging a lot of credibility on a misdemeanor conviction.

[–]PatriotIron883 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Nope, those who support Trump will see this as a non-issue, he haters will treat it like she was mugged an beaten.

The thing is that the entire media establishment, barring a few conservative ones, have thrown EVERYTHING they have at Trump since this primary season began. Trump supporters are used to Trump being attacked, they are also used to reflexively defending him and denying whatever someone has to say about him.

It's sort of like when a liberal tries to talk to a conservative about politics, talking points are so well established and reflexive that you can argue for over an hour and no one walks away convinced.

[–]Racheakt [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Trump supporters are used to Trump being attacked, they are also used to reflexively defending him and denying whatever someone has to say about him.

Trump supporters Tea Party members are used to Trump being attacked, they are also used to reflexively defending him themselves and denying whatever someone has to say about him them.

This is the issue; many folks are the right have been beaten into the corner by the media, press, and even the establishment wing of their own party. When they see Trump being attacked using similar tactics that are used with them they gain solidarity with him, that is why the attacks only harden his support.

[–]pcarenza [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trump supporters Tea Party members BernieBots mindless cowing syncophants.

Yeah that about nails it.

[–]forbin1992 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It isn't about her feelings, it's about what he did.

He's also been trending downward the past month. This could add to that.

[–]JoleneAL [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, it isn't about her feelings, but before the videos were released, it was all what "she said and felt" wall2wall in the media.

When the videos came out, it was like Oopsie - I guess he didn't body slam her to the ground and cause "instant bruising" with said body slam.

Simple Assault/Battery is a far cry from Aggregated Assault.

[–]tehForce [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Trump's reaction will be to blame Cruz's wife and threaten a law suit. Sad!

[–]Robaye [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yet cant get a single charge for e-mails in a basement on a server....Amazing

[–]J_Schafe13 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That took long enough.

[–]jack_bronis_brother [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

That was a vicious assault. I hope she can recover and gets counseling. It's tough to come back from something like that.

[–]GrayManTheory [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm surprised they didn't have to amputate the arm.

[–]jack_bronis_brother [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They still might. I heard that the bruise on her arm actually recently turned gangreen. Just so sad. She had so much going for her.

[–]oneUnit [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Exactly. The surveillance video was hard to watch. This will go down in history as one of the most brutal assaults on a woman. I mean he grabbed her arm and thought he was going to get away with it.

[–]CarolinaPunk#NEVERTRUMP [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

OH SNAP!

As stated, There will be a reckoning for so Called Conservatives who support this man.

/r/NeverTrump

[–]oneUnit [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Police say "Lewandowski grabbed Fields' left arm with his right hand causing her to turn and step back"

Surveillance video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGz5DPqU-p0

After seeing the video evidence, I think he will win the case easily.

[–]catdecal#NEVERTRUMP [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I think that video is pretty clear evidence of exactly what is alleged.

Coupled with the physical evidence of the bruise, it doesn't look good for the defense in the case.

[–]actofgod22 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Bruise on wrist, grab was on arm right?

[–]catdecal#NEVERTRUMP [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If she fabricated evidence, I'm sure that will be proven and she'll be charged. However that seems unlikely.

[–]actofgod22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

lol because that happens, ever. Even if she did fabricate it (not sure how someone would be bruised from such a brief contact) you'd never be able to definitively prove it.

[–]CarolinaPunk#NEVERTRUMP [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't put your hands on people. Its a simple rule that trump supporters seem to have trouble grasping.

[–]Thedonaldbot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you serious? Are you looking at the same video as I'm seeing? Clear case of battery.

[–]J_Schafe13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thankfully the opinion of a Trumpite has no basis in reality or bearing in a court.

[–]jack_bronis_brother [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You keep threatening people with this reckoning thing. What exactly do you mean when you say that?

[–]nostradumba55 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It looks like Trump has finally done it. He's so anti-conservative he's finally started to turn anti-trump conservatives into SJW.

[–]jeffklolConservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Shit like this is why there needs to be severe penalties for false allegations like what happened in the Duke Lacrosse case or that Jackie UVA thing. The lady is clearly lying and everyone who watches the video can see it. It's gonna be laughed out of the courtroom.

[–]perceptionate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Battery is just (intentional) harmful or offensive contact. The crime is easily met here. It sounds like your objection should just be to the law itself (not to this reporter pressing charges for it).

[–]Taylor814Jibrish [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Remember how he "dragged her to the ground" and the "assault" was the second worst trauma she experienced after the death of her father?

This was a poorly executed swim move

[–]travis-42Goldwater Conservative [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Sources?

[–]Taylor814Jibrish [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

"It feels awful, this has to be — aside from my father’s death — the worst experience I've gone through"

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/03/11/megyn-kelly-interviews-breitbart-reporter-michelle-fields-alleged-assault-trump-campaign

"I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance."

"Corey Lewandowski, who aggressively tried to pull me to the ground."

"Campaign managers aren’t supposed to try to forcefully throw reporters to the ground, no matter the circumstance."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/10/3276486/

[–]SFThirdStrike [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is this real life? I don't support trump at all but this is beyond goofy.

[–]actofgod22 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Looks like he touched her arm, why are bruises on her wrist?

[–]DanburyBaptistInalienable Rights of Conscience [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Because he actually yanked on her arm, which those of us who can sanely process the video can see.

[–]actofgod22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

eh, I disagree. Looks pretty innocuous to me and nowhere near the wrist.

[–]EsenTaishi [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I wonder what the Trump campaign reaction will be. I don't think Trump will fire Corey, but he might "admonish" him or something like that.

[–]ScootusBuckeye [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The attorney representing Lewandowski apparently is a federal prosecutor who resigned after he bit a stripper at a nightclub.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1996-05-18/news/9605170674_1_coffey-stripper-attorney http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=200492.0

Mfw Trump supporters say he and his surrogates respect women. https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif

[–]IcarusGoodman [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Just stop. For your own sake.

This is the most ridiculous story I've ever witnessed.

Just about everyone in that crowd is technically a victim and a perpetrator of battery.

She approached Trump, guy grabbed her arm and pulled her back. The more of a big deal that is made out of this harmless event, the more damage you do to yourselves. Because when any sane person watches that video they see nothing remarkable. And it will only make them think that this is yet another example of the media doing everything they can to attack and bring down Trump which plays right into his narrative.

I've already lost all respect for Ben Shapiro, how many more conservative lights will have to disgrace themselves before they drop this absurd white knight routine.

[–]Pseu [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If Lew had just admitted and apologized up front this would all have been over weeks ago. But he lied and smeared his way into criminal charges. No one to blame but himself.

[–]Thedonaldbot [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ask any lawyer you know if that was a battery. Or even any law student who's taken a first year Torts course. It was.

EDIT: "Ordinary bumping that occurs while walking through a crowd is generally not offensive to a reasonable person; however, intentionally pushing people in a crowd out of the way may be offensive to a reasonable person." http://assault.lawyers.com/assault-and-battery.html

Read the whole article for your own good.

[–]BadgerCabin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So lawyers should start standing outside of any rock or sports venue then with your logic. Heaps of lawsuits to be had!

[–]ebonboneheart [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

This is honestly pathetic and I refuse to believe there are Americans with testicles who actually look at this footage and believe there is a story here.

[–]justsaynotoheresy [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Jupiter PD disagrees.

[–]ebonboneheart [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No man with a shred of integrity would believe this is battery. Btw ... She laid hands on trump first according to this same video. Maybe she was guilty of assault?

Laughable how far people will sink their critical thinking when it suits political bias. Go ahead and promote this story as it will damage your evangelical god warrior. 85%+ of people outside of your bubble will lol heartily at this as video evidence of "the worst encounter since my fathers death". This is liberal tactics of butthurt and manufactured outrage adopted by weak and effeminate "conservatives". Straight truth.

[–]justsaynotoheresy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're basically accusing Jupiter Police Department of political bias. That's a serious accusation. Wanna back that up?

[–]J_Schafe13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's a Trumpite your talking to. They don't back up anything.

[–]GoatTemplarLion Ted [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You Trump misogynists are something else.

[–]ebonboneheart [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You sound like a liberal sjw. You do realize that right? Despite no evidence of hysterical claims by a woman who said she was tossed to the ground and that it was the worst encounter in her life next to her own fathers death ... You buy into it like a good little white knight. Let me guess, this is selective for you based on what political candidate the story is coming from. Hypocrisy abounds here. The video is a joke. Check the comments outside of your tiny bubble here.

[–]uberpowerLibertarian Conservative Traditionalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The crime of Simple Battery or Misdemeanor Battery is defined under Section 784.03, Florida Statutes. In Florida, the term battery means: Any actual and intentional touching or striking of another person against that person's will (non-consensual), or: The intentional causing of bodily harm to another person.

So did he intentionally grab her? Almost definitely. Therefore, battery, right? But let's be lawyerly. Tell me which frame shows his hand on her arm. I don't see his hand on her arm. I know what's happening there, and I think it shouldn't be a crime, but Florida says it is, and that crime has a definition, so . . . show me which frame has the pixels showing his hand on her.

[–]pcarenza [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can smell brigading going on... I sense a little hyposensitivity to battery against a woman. Is it the trailer park lifestyle? Or perhaps the inclination toward stupid psychopaths?

Whatever the case is, I appreciate these hostile actions as separating the wheat from the chaff, socially.