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[–]verminform 454ポイント455ポイント  (152子コメント)

Why is this happening? I saw that video of the German lady whos son got beat up my some of the immigrants, and none of the cops would do anything about it.

Is this mainly Merkel's fault? Don't the German police feel strange not supporting the native German's?

Just seems like madness.

[–]nidrach 116ポイント117ポイント  (12子コメント)

So i am Austrian and not all that intimate with the exact details of the the proposed changes but to me it reads more like a purely legal problem and a redefinition of the murder categories.

In Germany you have to prove Heimtücke, google translates that as insidiousness, for it to be murder. Afaik legal professionals in Germany are very unhappy with that because it's a poorly defined wording. But because murder carries a mandatory life long sentence you can imagine that it's a rather important distinction whether something is murder or nor not.

Now reading the article and not consulting other sources leads me to the conclusion that all they propose is to widen the definition of murder by removing the element of insidiousness to include all cases of somebody willingly killing someone that's defenseless. That would include crimes of passion etc. something that doesn't carry life long sentences even in the US. So because they widened the category they can't justify a mandatory life sentence anymore and have to include possibilities for the judges to lower the sentencing according to the circumstances.

So in effect all the changes do is to redefine murder as something that isn't as narrow of a category as it is now in germany and give the judges more granular control over the sentencing of this new category. The consequence of that is that it is easier to give higher sentences in fringe cases where insidiousness was too hard to prove until now.

The political will hasn't changed at all. Murder is still bad. But the legal system has more adequate tools in it's arsenal should they be able to produce an adequate reform. As I said it's a legal and not a political problem at least how it reads to me.

[–]donutarrestme 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

Vielen dank mein Herr. I knew some brainiac Germanic would settle this for us. We need to be better than our enemies and not revert to the clickbaitism they do.

[–]stanleythemanley44 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You must be new here.

Jk. But it does kinda piss me off how click baity a lot of the stuff posted here is.

[–]Birdlover1233 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a Germany a really had to chuckle when I read the comments in this thread. The law is mostly aimed to deal with cases like Haustyrannenmord in the USA known as "battered women defense" or cases were a wife or relative killed an abusive spouse or relative. In Germany in the past judges had to come up with a lot of legal fiction to not sentence those people to live. That's the reason the law is trying to broaden the definition.

[–]AngryMulbear 136ポイント137ポイント  (32子コメント)

There's a phenomena that prevents people from speaking out, for fear of being ostracised by their friends and family.

When you live in a heavily left wing country, this can basically destroy your social life. So these cucks start beliving the lies, and ostracize those who don't conform.

It's a vicious circle.

[–]Beretta9Glock40 116ポイント117ポイント  (19子コメント)

Yeah its called the cops arrest you for speaking while a radical monobow'ed savage with ideals from the 7th century gets a trophy (and a stipend) for pooping in pools and raping your German women.

[–]neptoon021 48ポイント49ポイント  (9子コメント)

Fuck. That. Shit.

[–]Beretta9Glock40 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

Something like this, fellow Floridian. Something like this.

[–]Jesus-Fuckin-Trump 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

Speaking of Fl and muzzies. There is an "Islamic center" directly under the landing path of Ft. Lauderdale airpot. The planes are in small arm rage as they fly over. Just waiting on the news of them bringing down one

EDIT: orange drive in Davie

[–]Beretta9Glock40 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know it. Bet the peeps at FLL are not having the best of times.

[–]roogoff 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Everglades are a last resort refuge. The swamps protect our freedom.

[–]Fap_Left_Surf_Right 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

They're popping in the pools now!?

[–]Beretta9Glock40 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

No offense but what rock have you been under? ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1KJTvl3824

...infowars, but you can find other sources...

[–]Shkyboyz 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

Could be worse, my father wears sneakers in the pool.

[–]Mikal_Scott 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

What you guys in Europe need are more people like this trucker

[–]HeyItsMePete 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

These aren't refugees, they're an invading army. No women, no children, just able bodied young men. How do these countries not understand they're being invaded? How can the people even consider letting them in like this? Europe will be begging the United States to save them again if they keep it up.

[–]Golden_Dawn 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who could possibly tolerate this, and why? Enraging video.

[–]Dick_McKee 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

He got sacked for that. You swerve at pedestrians as a haulier and your employer has no other option but to sack you.

[–]The_DonaldUser 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's okay. Your employer is about to get his ass rape by refugee, so it's all good.

[–]Lantisca 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sacked and then immediately hired at another firm.

[–]seius 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they say or do anything their careers are over, you can't touch a muslim because, remember Hitler? We aren't those people anymore, we would rather get fucked right up the ass every day than be called fascists.

Cucks, the lot of them, if you speak out against it you get labeled a radical extremist, and ostracised from the entire community.

It's sad, but hey Goebbels said this would happen in his speeches, I guess he was right about that.

[–]frostedz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a phenomena that prevents people from speaking out

The Cuckening

[–]frostiitute 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not even a phenomena. It's litearlly legal consequences.

[–]theBIGmaik 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are legal consequences for extremist right wing positions, but not for just endorsing right wing politics.

[–]HiGuysTTours 216ポイント217ポイント  (56子コメント)

From what I've gathered from some cucks I know, Germany is following some agreement between the EU that they will take in refugees. They're making sure they follow it because apparently no one else will, and they are doing this so other countries follow.

Except the mistake Germany made is that everyone else is very wise to the threats of Islam refugees, so at this point Germany is acting against its people and its own interests in order to make it seem like refugees are the good guys. Crime rates and citizens that aren't brainwashed will tell you otherwise.

Undoubtedly there's a very large "Nazi era guilt" that the government and the useful idiots in the country are feeling as well.

[–]aDAMNPATRIOT 300ポイント301ポイント  (21子コメント)

IF THEY'RE GUILTY ABOUT HITLER THEY SHOULDN'T BE HARBORING PEOPLE WHO HATE JEWS

[–]Spiffinz 120ポイント121ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shh..shh....no logic now, only kuffar

[–]brianbrennan 60ポイント61ポイント  (12子コメント)

Bringing in literal holocaust deniers, which is illegal in Germany btw

[–]MasterShake1171 54ポイント55ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes but only white people can be criminals. You see crime = illegal activity + privilege.

[–]The_DonaldJTrump 41ポイント42ポイント  (0子コメント)

But my liberal tolerance is telling me all oppressed people are the same so it doesn't matter! Look at how civilized and intelligent we are!

[–]omimico 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

At this point, jews do not matter. We are talking about germans getting cucked to death by their government.

[–]aDAMNPATRIOT 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes but... that's not my point

[–]owlcreekbridge 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

THANK YOU! Can't believe that people seem to miss this!

[–]Chepamec 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

Germany is not FOLLOWING the EU about refugees, Merkel wants to impose refugees on all the other countries through the EU.

[–]HiGuysTTours 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Really? People Cucks keep telling me that there's an agreement set up where they all are supposed to take fair shares of refugees. I've been linked this before. Apparently the CEAS means they are supposed to all ensure rights of asylum seekers or something.

Not like it really matters, because most of the people coming over are economic migrants and not Syrian refugees (or refugees of ANY kind). Plus, they're not legally allowed to go through the Schengen countries as asylum seekers...so they're breaking international law before they even arrive.

[–]Chepamec 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I wasn't talking about the Dublin system, which everyone recognizes is a failure. I talked about all the recent years' pushes to impose refugee quotas on unwilling countries. Germany is fighting this battle alone and alienating the entire continent. Merkel basically invited millions of unknown people to come to Germany then tried to shame and force all other countries to take them instead.

[–]Backfrommyashes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That agreement is one a lot of people don't agree to, but Merkel doesn't give a fuck and she has an army of cucks behind her.

[–]slayitaintso 40ポイント41ポイント  (25子コメント)

the whole feel bad about being a nazi thing is just stupid. Just own up to it, admit that you guys were nazis, and you will be again if shit like this continues to happen.

[–]high_capacity_oven 36ポイント37ポイント  (22子コメント)

Basically no one alive today was a nazi

[–]BUILDHIGHENERGYWALLS 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

George Soros

[–]Backfrommyashes 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wtf, now that you say it...

Mfw the only Nazi alive is a fucking jew openly trying to be "the conscience of the world".

[–]slayitaintso 17ポイント18ポイント  (16子コメント)

exactly. Don't let the fact that your ancestors were nazis ruin your country in the present ect.. besides, i dont think nazis were bad, Hitler was just a nut case.

[–]iguessss 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't let the fact that your ancestors were nazis ruin your country in the present

The israelis won't let that happen.

[–]_mr_prezident 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

The vast majority of Nazis were peaceful!

[–]peakyfuckingblinders 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

Why have shame in being labeled a "Nazi" if Donald gets elected, no matter what the history books will equate him to Hitler.

[–]Umlau 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Depends. The winners are the ones who write the history books.

[–]GoldSQoperator 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not every German was a member of the Nazi party, nor were there that many in the SS.

Germans have nothing to feel guilty about collectively.

Caesar killed millions of men, women, children in Gaul through the sword, starvation, and from the elements. Did a bunch of other bad shit, yet he's this awesome dude/tragic man.

Germany, long before Hitler had a proud martial culture. Yet now... how the mighty have fallen...

So many Germans write "we saw the militarism did! We are not like that anymore."

yeah cause you lost two major wars, militarism benefited Germany many years before that.

[–]Radicaldreamer357 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea I get to hear it often, whenever I voice my concern to civilians I immediately get accused of being a nazi. I'm fucking sick of it... But I love my country. I can't leave.

[–]NimbleDonaldator 73ポイント74ポイント  (8子コメント)

Look upon this and despair:

https://i.sli.mg/nJ8Duh.jpg

[–]lucilly 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

And to think, it will take generations to turn it back around. But will Sweden and the rest of Europe have enough time?

[–]NimbleDonaldator 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

complex issues to condense in a post. i think we will survive this and come out stronger, only time will tell.

[–]throwingthisawaydamn 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have to disagree about the cucking not being attributable to malice. Someone decided to indoctrinate those children; the education curricula didn't write themselves. Not considering opposing opinions is also a choice, and ignorance is not an excuse in the age of the Internet. I'm sure Nazis thought they were doing the right thing for Germany, and they were fascists and socialists. There is way too much empathy in that post. The truth is that the majority in Sweden are either cowards or active participants in the enforcement of these social rules; there is no gray area here except for children.

[–]MNYGA 78ポイント79ポイント  (8子コメント)

They have been brainwashed to hate the German people after wwii.

You wouldn't want protecting Germans to lead to another hitler, would you?

[–]Swabeky 41ポイント42ポイント  (6子コメント)

TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER MERKEL IS LITERALLY GHANDHI

[–]Jesus-Fuckin-Trump 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean Mohammad the pig licker

[–]KingOfThePimps 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

Which is hilarious because, much like Hitler, Merkel is also leading Germany into an age of darkness and racial tensions.

[–]MNYGA 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Merkel is like Chamberlain. He allowed hitler to spread like a cancer

[–]throwaway9erte 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Merkel is the leader of the National Islamic party.

[–]polakfury 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to switch that order around buddy!

[–]exarchos 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

They've raised a society of men who have been fully feminized. German males are so weak now that they can't even fight back against basic thugs. Only a minority retain their masculinity from state brainwashing.

War guilt + white guilt is a bitch.

[–]verminform 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is this for real? A culture of hate is physically harming a culture that is chained to political correctness?

This is madness. Is it easy to LEGALLY own guns in Germany?

[–]Typically_Wong 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was stationed in Germany. I couldn't tell who was straight until their wife and kids came up to them. Metro sexual trends are very pervasive there. Also they can't fight for shit. I got in bar fights there and the Turks were the only ones that put up any kind of fight.

[–]xwertable 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's also a lot of post-WWII guilt. Germany went full retard a long time ago, and (I presume via whatever government was installed after the war), firmly institutionalized the idea that ANY native German/white pride was pure evil, no questions asked, no room for nuance. And just to be safe they've taken it so far in the other direction, that they're actively destroying themselves, and encouraging everybody else in Europe to do it, too.

[–]lewd_minx 184ポイント185ポイント  (24子コメント)

Just in case someone else's freedom of speech makes you want to murder them

[–]Lyrd 72ポイント73ポイント  (22子コメント)

The OP is heavily editorialized and is not at all what the article alludes to. It makes no specific reference to special treatment to Muslims.

This is Germany considering and adoption of the English Common Law notion of "heat of passion" murder as a lesser charge.

Every state in the United States has some equivalent of this as a mitigating circumstance for want of sufficient premeditation that can prevent mandatory life sentencing.

[–]cloudy__day 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This article is in a language that I'm guessing over 95% of the people "responding" to it couldn't speak one sentence of, let alone read with good comprehension. If you have a visceral reaction to this article and don't even know the language it is written in, you really need to fucking check yourself and start thinking about how you got to this point of pure egotistical mindlessness. You people talk shit all day about hugboxes and bubbles, yet this place bans anybody who dissents under the pretext that it isn't serious. Isn't the same shit you say about John Oliver and Jon Stewart and Colbert? Guess what? It is serious. Its serious when you create the most insular and banhammering place I have ever seen on the internet and use it as a platform for your ideas to take foot unopposed. Then you wonder why people start comparing you to fascists? Get fucking over yourselves. You think you understand the propaganda machine and are fighting against it, yet you have created the biggest hotbed for ther perpetration of propaganda I have ever witnessed. THE REACTIONS IN THIS THREAD ARE THE RESULT OF PROPAGANDA, NOT A RESPITE FROM IT.

[–]TriangleDimes 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

I was looking forward to being furious this afternoon. Guess I gotta look elsewhere. Thanks, fucking Germany.

[–]EffingSpiders 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

Wanna be furious at Norway? They're stealing from their citizens retirement funds in order to pay for all of the refugees they plan on letting in.

[–]Pwning4ever[S] 328ポイント329ポイント  (107子コメント)

The bill, the Federal Minister of Justice intends to submit Maas, provides that sentences for murder can be reduced to up to five years - if the perpetrator

"Out of desperation" acted to "be or close to him from a seemingly hopeless situation of conflict" to liberate, by a "grave insult" or "maltreatment (...) provoked to anger" was or was affected by a "comparable violent emotion".

[–]Katfish29 66ポイント67ポイント  (18子コメント)

So I know very little about the justice system in Germany. But I will say that in the US (obviously, I am not referring to Islamic extremist nut job savage fucks.) if someone kills another person such as a crime of passion (Find another man with his wife, loses his shit and beats the hell out of him) there are decreased prison terms. I don't know if these laws are already on the book in Germany though. Furthermore, I know a little German, but not much. I can't read the article to determine if this a direct attempt to appease the Muslims, or if it is a legit law to protect people who act out in "temporary insanity" type situations. I don't know. One thing we all agree on, those bitches need to stay in Syria and fight for their own damn country, and stop running everyone else's.

[–]Feelonaut 19ポイント20ポイント  (16子コメント)

No it's not to protect people, murder has a very specific set of requirements. If you kill someone in the situation you described it would be "Totschlag" or in the US probably called manslaughter, with a minimum sentence of 5 years.

[–]Mitosis 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

It would probably be second degree murder. First degree has premeditation as a necessary component; if once you start acting the other person's death is a clear goal (or logical result) but you didn't enter the situation intending to do it, it's second degree. Finding a cheating spouse in the act is one example, intending to just rob a person but it goes bad is another.

Manslaughter is for when you caused a death that you did not intend through negligence or exceedingly bad judgment. It's a little loose -- any death that "isn't murder" can be called manslaughter depending on the circumstances and what the prosecution wants to pursue.

[–]nidrach 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

And now imagine a system that only knows murder and manslaughter and where murder carries a mandatory life sentence. That's the situation in Germany now. Legal professionals aren't happy with that and haven't been for a long time.

[–]Feelonaut 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh ok, that certainly sounds more fitting. :D

[–]nidrach 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The article makes it sounds as he intended to do a complete rehaul of the system. I don't think the Totschlag category would exist anymore and anytime you would kill a defenseless person it would be murder. In that case Totschlag would be baked into the murder category by adding those rules. At least that's how it reads to me. In the future any killing that isn't strict self defense is murder. Manslaughter doesn't exist anymore outside of involuntary manslaughter and murder doesn't carry a mandatory life sentence anymore. From a purely legal standpoint it gives the judges more granular control over murder sentences and actually makes it easier to convict someone of murder because the proof wouldn't have to be as strict anymore because proving Heimtücke, I guess viscousness would be a translation, can be a hard thing to do. Here's a German article about "Heimtücke" and the problems it causes.

Anyway that is a topic that shouldn't be politicized and should be left to legal experts because in the end it's a legal and not a political problem. From a political standpoint nothing has changed and murder is still not excusable in any way.

[–]Katfish29 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

ohhhh okay! Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, I have no idea how their justice system works. I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. But now I see this is bogus and they are basically importing Sharia Law.

The world needs Trump.

[–]Feelonaut 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

He is not really importing Sharia Law, he actually means well because of a more or less unimportant historic fact about our murder law. -> It was put in place by the nazi regime. And while it has no nazi ideology in it, it's still seen as a stain on the law, which was supposed to be reformed since forever.

But he is still a cuck idiot.

[–]FanAtticFebOven 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It kinda goes out the window though when you allow in a group of people whose ideology is permanent insanity.

[–]HiberniaSon 271ポイント272ポイント  (50子コメント)

So, basically every radical white-man-hating feminist, racist, and leftist who gets 'triggered' will literally have a license to murder.

[–]Jesus-Fuckin-Trump 76ポイント77ポイント  (45子コメント)

All nationalists to America NOW! There are nationalist groups that will help you out. Do it now before its too late.

[–]sunwukong155 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is our nation and cultures best chance I think.

Trump needs to win and restore nationalism and pride to America. Next we need to see a mass exodus of European nationals to America to help build up and restore America. We need these people to start reproducing and leaving a future for their children.

It can and must be done. Otherwise you can chalk European civilization up to the list of the fallen.

[–]mokitaman 107ポイント108ポイント  (7子コメント)

Because muslims are not capable of withholding their murderous rage, we have to be more sympathetic. /s

[–]aDAMNPATRIOT 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sometimes sex emergency sometimes murder emergency

[–]soapgoat 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

sometimes explosion emergency, sometimes plane flying emergency.

[–]aDAMNPATRIOT 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

sometimes plane flying emergency, sometimes wife beating emergency

[–]FanAtticFebOven 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

sometimes wife beating emergency, sometimes goat emergency

[–]xaxaxaxa4u 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

ANELE me likey goat and white woman ANELE

[–]Jesus-Fuckin-Trump 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they can why should we? PIG HEADS ON EVERY OVER PASS

[–]AngryMulbear 141ポイント142ポイント  (22子コメント)

Cucks
Literally god damn fucking cucks.

Germany is officially a no-go zone.

[–]greyscales 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh OP, that is a bunch of horseshit.

  1. One minister proposes a change in the law
  2. A lot of politicians don't agree and it will most likely not pass
  3. It has nothing to do with Muslims. Under certain conditions could a Christian only get 5 years for murder of a Muslim.
  4. Post a link that people are actually able to read: http://m.dw.com/en/justice-ministry-to-change-german-laws-nazi-definition-of-murder/a-18620945 oh wait, people would have seen through your lies.

[–]guitarisfun123 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Provoked by emotion. So every homicide is going to a 5 year sentence

[–]Zuri595 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you kill someone out of desperation for your life, that's not murder. That's self defense.

But insulting someone? Yep that's pro islam all the way

[–]GAMEchief 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the important text is:

Also, the Minister clarified the murder characteristic of "low motives" (henceforth "particularly reprehensible motives"), which also includes explicitly racist and xenophobic attacks in the new version.

[–]The_Toxicity 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

This article says nothing about muslims or religion at all tho..

[–]BrainOnLoan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nor would this new law.

[–]realjackreacher 68ポイント69ポイント  (4子コメント)

yea the minister also pushed facebook to install a censor hq in Berlin where every critical coment on islam is deleted

[–]TimGuoRen 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

The article is not even remotely saying what the title says.

[–]Greek_Girl_Theodora 41ポイント42ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is what happens when Americans don't speak German and just look at the click-bait title...

[–]Mangalz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what happens when Americans don't speak German and just look at the click-bait title...

Yeah I need to see it in english, but it's telling how many believe it.

[–]guma1 86ポイント87ポイント  (31子コメント)

I'm not even surprised.. If we don't vote the leftwing nutjobs ruling Europe out of their offices in the next voting cycle, the past 70 years will be known as the second interwar period..

[–]Feelonaut 41ポイント42ポイント  (16子コメント)

The problem is that these are not left wing nutjobs. They are our "conservatives". Germany is so fucked.

[–]guma1 55ポイント56ポイント  (7子コメント)

Your conservatives ARE left wing nutjobs.. Any real right wing or conservative movement has been impossible in Germany until recently.

[–]Feelonaut 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well to be fair, they were a lot more conservative in the past than they are now. And the right wing movement is sadly very retarded on most issues.

[–]guma1 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thats true.. Any legitimate right wing movement is shot down by the left and the media, and then the disenfranchised people move even further right, and we end up with a very polarized society..

[–]Feelonaut 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

And if i wanted people who hate on women and gays, are idiots in general and would tank the economy, i could just embrace Islam.

[–]AuriEl1032 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

What about AfD? Isn't that a more right wing party that was gaining momentum because of everything going on?

[–]anonveggy 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

made up of chemtrail people and powerhungry former liberal party exilists. just like Feelonaut said. as a leftwinger i would love to have arguments again but theres isnt really much to talk with people who dont understand basic german and get their information by the free press aka either Russia Today or the Kopp Verlag which is run by the most retarded conspiritards on this planet making fucktons of money selling Movies and Books about Vaccines, Chemtrails and the NWO (also believed to be taking money from the kremlin)

[–]WallMaria 15ポイント16ポイント  (12子コメント)

There will be no war, they'll simply breed you out of power, and then out of existence.

[–]guma1 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm not so sure.. We are 700 million people in Europe, and the Islamists with their loony-left allies is far from a majority.. Problem is that since WW2, the politics in western Europe has shifted to the loony-left.. Hell, one of the ruling parties in Norway is considered "Far right" and in reality it is a social-liberal/economic-conservative party.

[–]ARUKET 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Their birth rate is far higher than the European one.

[–]guma1 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, but we are still talking decades before they will make up any kind of majority.. BUT, the clock is ticking..

[–]Hutzbutz 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

one minister proposed to change the law; islam isnt even mentioned; others already disagreed with him

everybody calm your tits, false alarm

[–]nickateen 158ポイント159ポイント  (18子コメント)

FUCK THAT SHIT

FUCK ISLAM

FUCK EUROPE

[–]Beretta9Glock40 84ポイント85ポイント  (14子コメント)

We dont need to fuck Europe-they are doing a good enough job by themselves.

[–]Tobi_the_Great 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm sure a little carpet-bombing here and there would make people wake up, no?

[–]Beretta9Glock40 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

See that's the thing though. Don't you pull out a weed by its root and not just mow over it?

[–]Feelonaut 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

No we fuck Europe up first and then the US can pick up the shambles, as is tradition.

[–]Beretta9Glock40 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just hope we CAN come to their aid. I have a feeling we will have our own streets to clear.

[–]Feelonaut 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not only that but maybe it's time to let go. On the other hand, two crazy countries with nuclear weapons are enough.

[–]Kevinement 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Complete and utter nonsense. That is not at all what this suggested law is about and the law has not even been officially proposed yet, it's not being passed, it's just an idea at this point. So for those of you who don't speak German I will translate the important part that is misrepresented by OP's title.

Original:

Der Gesetzentwurf, den Bundesjustizminister Maas vorlegen will, sieht vor, dass Haftstrafen für Morde auf bis zu fünf Jahre gesenkt werden können - wenn der Täter
- durch eine "schwere Beleidigung" oder "Misshandlung (...) zum Zorn gereizt" wurde oder

in english:

The bill that Federal Minister of Justice Heiko Maas wants to propose aims to make it possible to lower the sentence to up to 5 years - if the offender
-has been provoked into rage by grave insults or abuse.

The article doesn't really elaborate on what grave insults means exactly, but I can assure you that calling someone a goat-fucker will not do. This is probably aimed more at lowering sentences for victims of severe mobbing. The law doesn't even mention muslims, nor is it aimed at them in any way.

The only indirect mention of muslims is by the Bavarian Minister of Justice who opposes the law. He argues that people would no longer be deterred as much by the legal consequences of murder, because of the prospect of only getting 5 years(instead of the mandatory 25 that you currently get), which he thinks sends out the wrong signal in light of recent terrorist attacks.

[–]labtecoza 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

Der Spiegel online sources say that there is 1 guy who wants this law

Your title is just pure clickbait. There is no way that "Germany is passing this law". Doesn't say anything about Islam either

[–]jeremiahbullfrog1 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

this and the Minnesota thing are just blatantly misleading titles used to gin up hatred. come on people, don't just upvote anything anti-Muslim, it makes the actual arguments much weaker when we upvote misleading shit like this

[–]anywherebutdown 32ポイント33ポイント  (31子コメント)

Honest question. How long until this starts looking exactly like the behavior towards Jew's in 1930's Germany? This is some scary shit.

[–]nahsores 9ポイント10ポイント  (12子コメント)

We live in a world where every child knows the Holocaust. There is no way any leader or hate mongering could convince that many people to do such a bad thing to a group again. At least not America.

[–]Adam_Marx 19ポイント20ポイント  (11子コメント)

Eeeh, how many terrorist attacks will happen before genocide becomes preferable, with full knowledge?

[–]Jesus-Fuckin-Trump 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

The genocide is happening now, to the Europeans. Have large families!

[–]nahsores 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Still don't see anyone becoming irrationally decided on slaughtering innocent people. Annihilating ISIS much more directly? Sure

[–]Gig4t3ch 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

The article doesn't mention Muslims once. The law is also not close to being passed and will pretty much never come into effect.

[–]jkreally 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Its still worth discussing why its even been proposed, why Germany is valuing hurt feelings over lost lives.

[–]halfcab 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

But that's not what the bill is. It lowers the mandatory minimum on murder from 15 to 5yrs if it can be determined that it happened as an equivalent to "crime of passion". The article does not mention Muslims. And is more tightly geared towards victims of abuse, etc. Etc.

You know....like is done in a bunch of US states.

[–]Gig4t3ch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right, this law should never have even been proposed and a lot of the politicians in Germany are trying to out-progressive each other. There's still no point in framing the law the way the OP did it.

[–]I3ombastic 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not fucking happening. This has literally nothing to do with hurt feelings or Islam or anything people in this thread are talking about.

Every state in the U.S. has some sort of "crime of passion" sentence mitigation. That's all this is.

The laws being proposed literally ALREADY EXIST IN THE U.S.. They exist because just murder and manslaughter are not encompassing enough to cover all cases.

[–]Surkov__ 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

German here to clear up the confusion. Title is false

Germany isn't passing a new law, but updating an old one. We have two "types" of murder, the normal one called "Todschlag" (Deadly assault) and the second one "Mord" (Murder).

If you kill someone sneakily ("Heimtücke": Can't find a better English term), for money or gruesome you committed "Mord". Minimum sentence: 15 years.

The problem with this is the "sneakily" part.

Example:

Husband beats his wife every day, and kills her: "Totschlag", gets sentenced to ~5-8 years.

Wife waits till husband sleeps and kills him, because she can't win in a "fair fight"? Well thats "sneakily" killing someone. Sentence: 15 years.

 

This discrepancy was criticized for years by judges and lawyers and is now hopefully going to change.

But now to the part about the insults. This has already been in the law, it just gets rewritten. The new law will (probably, still in the works) state that if you provoke someone (for example by insulting, but not necessarily) until he looses self-control, the person can be sentenced to 5 years, and doesn't have to get 15. It's is however still up to the judge.

Tl;dr: The only thing that changes: The minimum sentence from 15 to 5 years under certain circumstances.

[–]SunTzuArtofWar 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can't another Breveik or the police just use this law to gun down any Muslim they don't like, seems like a two way street, or Muslims will use this against the gays and jews first

[–]guma1 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

God no.. Then the liberal media will use his smug disgusting face as the face of anyone they disagree with.. "That what Breivik said" has become the lefts favorite weapon for silencing anyone they disagree with in Norway..

[–]OBabis 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a lawyer working in Germany, this thread makes me want to bash my head against the wall. This has nothing to do with Muslims. The law this is referring to could be considered unconstitutional, there have been discussions to change it for decades. This is the change that was proposed. No it has not passed.

And no it does not mean you can kill anyone and only get 5 years.

[–]RaykoX 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is just wrong/lying. It does not say anything about muslims or even religion in there. It does say that he wants to get rid of automatical lifelong imprisonment for murder, as in it should be judged on a case by case basis if the reasons are good enough.

As a german this is the first thing I hear about it so I'm not gonna worry too much yet.

[–]redditname1234567 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the biggest shit post I've ever seen. The article doesn't even mention Islam.

[–]superstreak 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's stopping someone from killing another person then just lying and say they set them off with a racial insult.

[–]LocalGaugeSymmetry 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

At no point in the article are Muslims or insults in respect to someones religion even mentioned. Linking to a German article and then translating it's content wrongly into English is a very bad way to make a point.

[–]shinslap 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're making it sound like a specific law for Muslims. They're generally lowering the sentences for murder, for everyone.

[–]TrumpFink 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not what the article says at all. U/Pwning4ever is a faggot and a cuck. Way to fall for a click-bait title and a wall of text you're too stupid to translate. If we're going to make America great again you're gonna have to do a lot better than this.

[–]Reptar-Bar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, come one guys, do some research on this. This is closer to a self defense bill, this is taken so out of context.

[–]OctavianXXV 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eeer..guys...i guess not many of you know german but thats not even close what that linked article is about. Not. Even. Close. Well I'm back to destroying german culture with my evil left winged agenda...

[–]cali8112 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is also to scare any Germans from even expressing disgust with the Muslims face to face. Once they know they can practically kill you and get away with it, you realize you aren't very important to your government.

[–]PizzaMolecule 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The article doesn't say that in any way. Wtf are you talking about?

[–]RiotGorilla 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally misleading title. Come on, dude!

[–]makefoodgreatagain 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't see anything there about Muslims though??

[–]rumbletom 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is the first time I have ventured into /r/The_Donald and I have never read in my entire time on reddit anything that comes even close to the amount of uneducated, ill informed opinions prevalent in this post. I have truly found the bottom of the barrel, well done.

[–]thisisseriouslydumb1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It looks like about 10 people in this thread bothered to try and translate the article. Here's the translation according to google, feel free to correct it if you actually speak German. And for those of you that don't want to even read that, it says that in situations where the person was scared for their life, acted out of desperation, or was provoked to anger, their sentence can be reduced. Not will be reduced because they drew a picture of Mohammed or some shit, can be. Like if someone threatens your life and you feel you have to act.

Not sure why I'm even bothering to write this though.

[–]PM_ME_UR_CITYSKYLINE 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ok you guys know how much I support Trump but that this is not true at all. The article linked actually says something completely different.

The guy who made this title is lying. I support Trump and dislike terrorism in anyway but this is just people playing with us to make us look stupid.

[–]Metagen 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone who upvoted this is a fucking idiot, OP is a big fat liar. If you dont believe me use google translate you morons. L O L !

[–]braintempest 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

You do realize that nowhere in the article it says anything about muslims, islam or religion at all? It is simply discussing that Germany's minister of justice is planning to abolish unconditional life-long sentences in murder cases. In my opinion, the title of this thread is extremely misleading as this new law will not make a difference in who kills whom. Neither will a muslim only receive a five year sentence. Rather, sentences can - if the bill passes - henceforth be reduced to down to five years.

[–]DVasky 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

That title is absolutely bogus. The actual article (not that any of you actually read it), is talking about how the PM wants to abolish the mandatory life sentence for murder in some cases, such as self defense. There is NO mention of being allowed to kill someone if they offend islam, or if they offend you at all. Damn you guys sure are scared of Islam huh

[–]Fap_Left_Surf_Right 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sub is getting a little too extremist and not enough HIGH ENERGU

[–]molotovtommy 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

This article is in German has anyone actually read it?

[–]august7000 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can someone post reputable source that explains this because I doubt things are as extreme as the title states.

[–]seewolfmdk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's total bullshit. For more information ask in /r/germany.

[–]spin0 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

We in Europe should take heed from other neoreligions such as FSM or Jedi etc and come up with a new religion and call it The Religion Of Peace (TM). Take some of the teachings from islam but turn them against that ideology as warning examples because our religion states to speak out against such teachings of awful shit. Then when we speak against the teachings of islam and someone tries to silence us we could sue them for infringing our Basic Human Right to Religious Freedom guaranteed by the European Convention on Human Rights.

[–]YoureAlrightinMyBook 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck? There's got to be more to this stupid, that's pure retardation.

Edit: Whoa whoa whoa. The article does not say that at all. This is bullshit. Don't believe that headline guys. Read the article.

[–]Kawaii- 14ポイント15ポイント  (10子コメント)

Germany is a failed state

[–]Nobleheart 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

Germany was a big fat mistake!

[–]xaxaxaxa4u 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Machen Deutschland Groß Again
Sry for poor deutschski

[–]alphacentipede 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

MEGA - Make Europe Great Again is a totally suitable battlecry

[–]CryEagle 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Macht Deutschland Wieder Groß

[–]ixilices 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Been awhile since I've had to speak the language but I believe noch einmal is the phrase you want for "again"

[–]Zerran 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

a "state"? lol. I'm really glad I live here and not in a shit country like the US.

[–]MAGA-right-opinion 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does anybody have an English link? This one is german?

[–]Noideawhattouse 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wtf is this crappy title seriously. All the retards in this sub even believe this shit. He said that it should be reduced in special cases, nowhere does it even mention that muslims should be allowed to kill germans or that free speach that offends you is enough to kill somebody you stupid fucks. And this law would basically mean that it CAN be reduced to 5 years, but in the end the judge still decides.

[–]BlindManBaldwin 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is disgusting and a big reason why I will never ever ever ever e v e r go to Europe

[–]g-zim 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the judge is doing is trying to define on paper what circumstances should reduce a murder sentence. I'm not familiar with German law, but it seems as though they want to switch from zero tolerance rulings to ones that take into account what happened before. And the way the article is written it is also ambiguous whether it's a maximum reduction of 5 years, or a minimum punishment of only 5 years. Hopefully a native German can elaborate which they mean here.

Muslims aren't mentioned anywhere, nor is the length of reduction associated with any circumstance.

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