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H.I. #59: Consumed by Donkey Kong (cgpgrey.com)

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[–]KroniK907 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

/u/mindofmetalandwheels,

The whole GG&S arguments have been beaten like the dead horses that they are (heh), so I have a separate related question for you.

 

What (do you think) makes humans want to expand and conquer in the first place?

Regardless of spawn locations on our earth, its clear that almost every group of humans attempted to form larger and larger societies as time went on. Many of those societies (big and small) also attempted to conquer their neighbors as their own society grew. The Incan and Mayan civilizations come to mind as civilizations in the americas that grew quite large (although they were late to the game).

So what do you think causes humans (unlike almost any other species) to attempt to expand and conquer other human civilizations?

[–]HannasAnarion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't a property of humans, it's a property of agrarian societies. Hell, Tibet is mostly populated by people who didn't want to live in one of those conquering empires in China, India, Iran, and SEAsia. It's not a human property at all.

It's arguable whether it's even a property of societies. It's much more likely that it's a property of the societies that we observe, precisely because they still exist. All of the non-expansion-happy societies were gobbled up by the expanding ones we're familiar with.

[–]Lyle_Cantor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

unlike almost any other species

Every species tries to expand. However most species are in equilibrium. Unlike other species, civilization allowed us to get out of equilibrium in a sort of malthusian ratcheting. Eventually we broke free of Malthus, but he'll be back: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

[–]FalseTruism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a property of all life in general. Life forms that had no "desire" to spread out and become more numerous died out a long time ago. Humans just happen to be very successful in doing so.