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[–]Loganimal 13ポイント14ポイント  (13子コメント)

Lady Gaga is openly bisexual and has been an advocate for gay rights for years, the fuck you guys talking about? She helped raise 200 million dollars with the MAC AIDS campaign. Even Rupaul herself SANG with her on the muppets special. I'm sure momma Ru wouldn't associate with someone like her if she didn't feel like she had an impact on our culture.

[–]ZuGThorgy Thor 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't get me wrong, I like her, but her music isn't queer music. That's what we're talking about. She's not elevating herself as a queer voice and challenging the status quo, her music is the status quo.

[–]myhatrulesThorgy Thor 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah sure. She basically co-opted the entire LGBT rights movement (at a time when it was the hot button, socially acceptable topic to pander to) to build an entire career on, pandering to the pink dollar as "bisexual" (as /u/grtwhtgrvty said, her only real references to being bisexual have been in her music, saying she fantasizes about sleeping with women while she's with her boyfriend. She's also referred to herself as straight during gay pride month), and 'campaigning' for gay rights at no cost to herself, and appealing to the worst in the most vulnerable - perpetual victim-hood. All the while completely ripping off and cheapening the entire bodies of work of REAL gay icons like Madonna, Bowie, Cher, Grace Jones, etc.

[–]rrea436Chi Chi DeVayne 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

REAL gay icons like Madonna, Bowie, Cher, Grace Jones, etc.

I hope you see the irony in this.

[–]myhatrulesThorgy Thor 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gay icon =/= being gay

[–]rrea436Chi Chi DeVayne 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was thinking more about how "Your gay icons are awful, my gay icons are better" Like get down from your high horse, pandering to the pink dollar as you have put it is exactly what all those "icons"have done for decades, to the point that many people believe that madonna invented vogueing.

[–]gagaboy 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

lol

shut up... if she didnt pander to the gay community she would still have a career right now! She shot herself in the foot by releasing BTW! and if being gay friendly and being aware of her fanbase is "gay pandering" then idk what to tell you

If she just released dance/pop songs like she did in the F/TFM she would still be very popular and "in", yet she chose to "pander" to the gay community and be true to her fans.

[–]myhatrulesThorgy Thor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

gagaboy

Yep. I'm wondering how you wandered into this sub. Looking through your post history, you've never commented or posted here. Are you a lurker who only felt the need to comment because I had the gall to come for your "mother"?

[–]gagaboy 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

lol

why does my username matter? why does it matter if im a lurker? you cant even defend yourself in a basic argument lol

dont reply me

u said ur points, ive said mine... thats all i came to do

[–]myhatrulesThorgy Thor -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Your username matters because it shows me you're a stan an are obviously going to defend her with weak, baseless, poorly grammaticized arguments. If you want me to argue, then let's do this.

Her career is based on using people or hot button topics to keep herself relevant. Her association with the gay community has not harmed her career, a slew of poor marketing choices, poor sales, and a gradual waning in public interest due to boredom with her antics harmed her career. She keeps herself afloat by hopping from issue to issue, celebrity to celebrity, and by taking literally any gig she can get, like her self-promoting "sponsored by Gaga/Intel" Bowie tribute which she secured literally days after his death.

She jumped on the gay bandwagon when it was easy, when it was already a hot topic in the media about gay rights and there was a softening stance. It was a topic that would naturally have people support her vocally about it at that time - unlike when Madonna did it in the late 80s early 90s when it was not a hot topic, but instead a huge stigma, and being supportive of gay people could have destroyed her career since pretty much almost everyone was super prejudiced back then. So don't try it with the "she would still have a career right now if she didn't pander to the gay community or release Born This Way".

Then Gaga jumped on another hot topic about bullying, which was easy for her to jump on the side of anti-bullying so she gets to play the victim. The bullying topic would naturally have people support her. She built a supposed "Anti-Bullying" campaign and foundation that is nothing more than a for-her-own-profit charity scheme, while preying on impressionable youth and turned her fanbase into a cult of bullies and abusers. She said at the launch of her BTW Foundation that people have a responsibility to stop bullying if they see it happen, but has defended her nasty fans when they bully other people, saying she is not responsible for them and cannot control them.

Now she's on the rape campaign, another hot topic in the media now that guarantees she would get supporters and new fans, plus she revealed her sexual assault story, coincidentally when the allegations were mounting against Bill Cosby. She has turned thousands of womens' harrowing experiences into another marketing ploy to keep herself in the public eye, releasing a 30 track dance remix album of her rape song to get to the top of the charts again. She regularly works with known rapist photographer Terry Richardson, collaborated with him and R. Kelly on a music video that was described as a literal ad for rape, and has made about roofieing. She's even gone as far to DEFEND R. Kelly, saying that he is "plagued by other people's perceptions of what he is".

Who knows whatever she’ll latch onto next as her new platform to sell and promote herself. She is a transparent opportunistic panderer. She built an entire career and fanbase on the televangelist model of the prosperity-gospel by painting herself as some sort of gay savior and turning herself into a "mother" figure to be blindly worshiped and never questioned by pandering to impressionable youth.

So ruminate on that.

[–]gagaboy 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was about to write a lengthy reply on why all of your points are invalid untill I saw your imgur screencaps. Clearly you have taken them from forums like ladycaca or pawsdownlittlemosnters ( on doing a reverse google search)

Such a dedicated hater. So, no amount of rationality would make u consider the other side.

Also, this is reddit not an essay writing competition. English isnt my mother tounge, so suck it...

Who are you to belittle someone who is inspired by lady gaga? You cant even comprehend what it means to be gay in my part of the world, so suck your privileged madonna loving ass...

If lady gaga's message provides escapism for kids like me and inspires them to move forward in life then she is already a gay icon in my eyes.

[–]myhatrulesThorgy Thor 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rationality? The first argument you provided had no basis in fact to begin with, and you're saying you were gonna use rationality?? How am I a Madonna lover, I mentioned her TWICE in this thread. And why do the screenshot sources matter? I use neither of those websites. She still said them, are you gonna deny that? Lady Gaga is a heinous, awful person and you can do so SO much better than to put her on a pedestal. Her message is so superficial, pandering, unintelligent, and clichéd, and it's blatant how much she's using fans like you. Use your brain and find an intelligent celebrity who is a legitimately good person and use their message as inspiration, not someone who can be caught contradicting themselves every time they open their mouth.

[–]gagaboy -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

stop self destructing k bye

[–]MissSteakBob the Drag Queen -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oooooh my goood, "referred to herself as straight". That one instagram photo with a badly worded caption which everyone is misinterpreting as her saying that she's straight. 5G's.