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Discussionaction on Activision - Here's what you do. (self.CODZombies)

SirTwistsAlot が 投稿

Not to take away from DFs departure (hopefully temporary) but I'd like to try and spitball as a community on what we can do to show that we don't support harassment of community members and we don't like this sleezy liitle gambling system they have our youth hooked on (key angel there).

Any ideas? Personally, I wish we had a well known journalist that would have the balls to cover this. Parents are already very weary of the TIME their kids spend on games but how would certain organizations react when they learn of these micro transactions turning their kids into little gambling addicts. Even if that's an UNINTENDED consequence of Activision's system they should still be held responsible for it.

We could also get a nice petition going. The Mods of these subs and forums could have some major guts and sticky the petition/complaint threads.

Things can be done. If Activision wants to play in the shadows lets play in the f*ckin shadows.

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[–]ChopperNator 17ポイント18ポイント  (23子コメント)

You really need a non COD based channel to cover it. I doubt any of the big youtubers are going to bite the hand that feeds and potentially not get exclusive early access for future games. Someone like Francis or GradeA spring to mind.

[–]SirTwistsAlot[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

So like a true journalist. There are plenty who have written scathing articles about micro transactions just this year. I've seen some really vocal articles against 343i for taking out split screen etc. People are pretty tired of the industries shit ion general.

[–]ChopperNator 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tbh I think it's a tough sell. Exploitive games companies aren't new. Without searching is guess it's been covered before. As others have pointed out you can't use the kids angle as it's an 18 game.
What's more, I reckon the majority have given tactile acceptance of Micros. Micros came about via clash of clans I believe, and most players of that are casual. More and more companies introduced it and now it's widely accepted.
Activision aren't being any more nefarious than anyone else. Sucks for all of us but I can't see anything happening.

[–]jonmsanti 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

as it's an 18 game

Fucking bullshit, I wrote this in another comment but gambling is like any other addiction and just because Cigarettes couldn't be sold to underage kids they still passed legislation limiting how cigarette companies can market their products. COD is played by children, COD is not only endorsing gambling habits, but PERPETUATING them. I'm not attacking you it's just they're scummy.

[–]freemind10Freemind10 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No its not. YOU DO NOT NEED ANYTHING SUPPLY DROPS GIVE YOU! And you can get them through playing the game. Kids are not supposed to play the game, and kids generally don't have funds to pay for MTs. So blame the fucking parents.

[–]heraturtwigHeraTurtwig 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

bdobbinz will trash the subject soon like he did with aw, just wait

really suggest you check out bdobbinz hes a cool fucker

[–]GiveMeBooleanGeminiIm very bald 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

I fucking love bdobbins. I'm signed up for his patreon and everything. I'm currently listening to an early destiny video that's gonna go up on his channel soon. I highly suggest signing up for it as it's a great way to support the guy.

[–]heraturtwigHeraTurtwig 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

i'll do it eventually, cant wait for that destiny vid tho he said hes workon on one few weeks back

[–]GiveMeBooleanGeminiIm very bald 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

The destiny vid is really good. It's just under an hour long.

[–]heraturtwigHeraTurtwig 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

you know when it comes out?

[–]GiveMeBooleanGeminiIm very bald 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't. :/

[–]heraturtwigHeraTurtwig 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

ah aight no spoilers tho

[–]RuleRabbitRuleRabbit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

H3 maybe?

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

If I was a big YouTuber/Streamer, I wouldn't give a single F-word (avoiding the bot) about early access. MTX ruins the experience of games, ESPECIALLY those that a lot of people have already shelled out $110 for.

[–]itsnotbrad15ITSNOTBRAD 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't believe the bot picks up fuck

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fuck. Well fucking fine, I'll just fucking use the word fuck any-fucking-time I want to now. Fuck

[–]ScootaliciousScooterPSN ID: ScooterKraken 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck Activision.

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea. YOU HEAR THAT ACTIVISION!?!? LET US FREE FROM YOUR EVIL!

[–]itsnotbrad15ITSNOTBRAD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good fucking job

[–]Tornado130PSN ID 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The jimquisition does this kind of thing.

[–]GiveMeBooleanGeminiIm very bald 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

GradeA is bae.

[–]GuapscotchDaisukka 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Here's the problem. You don't have to buy the micro transactions. You don't even have to buy the game. No one is forcing you. There's no legal battle or anything a petition can do. It's a matter of choice that you're allowed to make.

[–]Nick3111997carby21 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're not talking about a legal battle, we're talking about boycotting them.

[–]SirTwistsAlot[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't partake so I walk that walk already but what about the helpless sheep?

[–]TheCraffeyTheCraffey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A regular here that some of us may know has a family member who stole a large sum of money for cod points

[–]steviewonder87steviewonder87 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think there is any legal basis for this type of marketing/system being illegal as it encourages gambling addictions in kids, since it's basically the same kinda thing as Pokemon cards back when I was a kid - I'd spend all my cash on random packets of cards trying to get that one I wanted, and I just realised that is why I am now addicted to gambling it certainly didn't make me into a gambling addict.

[–]AmongstZombies 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminds me of "violent games make people violent".

That actually blew up as an issue sometime back, but even then, those claims weren't exactly true, were they?

I don't think claiming that it promotes gambling addiction would go that far, it would give the issue some awareness; but taking the route of Activision being dicks about everything making questionable choices is going to be more effective. But what do I know? This hasn't even "blown up" as a problem, yet.

[–]puzzled-soup 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just write a short paragraph or two about the situation with some screenshots of some comments and send it to Kotaku (I know, I know). Considering there's both drama behind the story and it implicates ATVI as being evil, I'd fully expect to be reading about it on their website before the day is over

[–]DA3DALUSxGAMERThe Baconadian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A petition could work.

However, I think the only thing that would get Activision's attention is if we either; A) Riot and raid their studio building. B) Not buy anymore COD's. C) Steal their money and hold it for ransom of Cod Points. Get it?? Oh, the irony!

[–]RuleRabbitRuleRabbit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only attacking activision wont help much. If we get someoe to talk about it more globally, like its the same in csgo. Maybe worse there

[–]Nick3111997carby21 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We would need stir up media controversy about how the suply drops in these games are basically online gambling. It couldn't hurt the cause.

[–]IDeadshotGamertag 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

While I don't condone the use of Microtransactions in a retail game, that i've already paid $60+ dollars for, I personally think that Halo 5 at least got something right. They're not charging anybody anything for new map releases and stuff since they have the REQ system in place, and you earn REQ points rather quickly especially since you can sell extra vehicles/weapons that you dont really end up using very often

[–]SirTwistsAlot[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree, the 343 example was just to show journalists are willing to blast major labels. I think H5 is a solid game that did micros in the least abrasive way possible.

[–]DoctorKoolMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

then you havent seen many uses of microtransactions, lol

their system has stuff that DOES effect the game, making it no different than this one, outside of the fact that we dont get maps for free

check free to play games with ONLY cosmetics for systems that actually handle microtransactions properly

[–]bportjoey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

as i said in another post tweet the shit out of Activi$ions CEO Bobby Kotick, give him a little taste of what Vonderharr is going through... poor guy

[–]EmpEro517 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Easiest way would be for everyone to stop buying cod points. But I don't see that happening.

[–]lobfillobfil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Send it in to DramaAlert from Keemstar.

[–]TheLazarus_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah

[–]VelikaYT 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hang on, what's happened with DF? Has he quit?

[–]TheCraffeyTheCraffey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

hes facing legal trouble from ATVI

[–]Mediczombeast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You guys wanna fuck with activision huh. You don't like supply drops, then don't buy them encourage others not to buy them. Organize a fucking boycott on activision be fucking vocal about it. Tweet them, tell em how they are the new EA and fuck their business practices and all of their products and stick to your guns. Don't buy anything associated with activision and don't just give in to their shit. That is how we get what we want. This is how you change things and it looks like the only way. Fuck em for tryin to mess with DF too. I didn't even address that.

[–]JuanFran21 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can confirm that it is making kids into gamblers. I'm 14 (yeah yeah I know, bo3 is 18+) and I finally caved into buying some packs. Got nothing, so "one more pack". I need help. Please.

[–]Stoogehunter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You guys know you're a minority with your protesting right? A very vocal one, but a minority none the less.

[–]JuanFran21 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Activision are a big company. They could worm their way out of any lawsuit. For example: Supply drops are gambling. Oh well we aren't forcing you to buy them It turns kids into Gambling addicts. The game is intended for adults only See what I mean? Activision have got their asses covered and we can't do shit.

[–]NotAFatGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black Ops 3 is R18+. Activision win with that fact alone. Sorry man.

[–]ACDEHDGamingACDEHDGaming 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As much as I dislike Activision's over-capitalist features of the game, parents cannot complain as it's an M-rated game.

[–]BulletImperiumPSN ID -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Using kids as an example is not good. They will just turn around and say well the game is rated 18 years plus so parents shouldn't be letting their kids play simple as that.

I hope something big happens though, someone with a very large following needs to say something. EA got all the hate in the world for years and it is now Activision's turn with the way they are acting with Destiny and Call of Duty.

[–]RoxasHerzloser 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Activision telling parents to not buy their underage children CoD would cost them half their playerbase :)

[–]BulletImperiumPSN ID 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It would, but them just saying that it is an 18 places the blame on the parents. It is their get-out. It would be the first thing they would mention if kids were used as examples. Any company would, that is all I'm saying.

[–]DoctorKoolMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

and all he was saying is this would still be progress for us

they would lose a lot of sales from making a statement like this, effectively hurting their wallets and at least making progress of some form, rather than sitting around waiting to buy the next cod, lol

[–]BulletImperiumPSN ID 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand what he was saying don't worry about that. But if the community wants to come together and make a stand every possible outcome needs to be thought through that's all.

[–]SirTwistsAlot[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

IF there is one thing I have learned on this Earth it is that parents will not accept the blame for their kids' actions. Activision would have a fight on their hands for certain.

[–]TheCraffeyTheCraffey 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

M ratings are 17 y/o

gambling age is 18

[–]BulletImperiumPSN ID 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see, here in the UK Call of Duty is rated 18+.

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

Why do people think that it's mainly the kids that are causing these MTX to be a problem? They don't have money, and their parents sure as hell would not allow them to use their credit cards or whatever for this.

A lot of this blame can be put on the adults, since they have more freewill and more cash than the "kids" do. If we, as a community, want the MTX to stop, we need to boycott the codpoints or, to take things to an extreme, boycott the game.

[–]AmongstZombies 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Boycotting the game itself would hurt the devs a lot. They do not deserve the backslash Activision does, that would need to be a really extreme case.

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yea that's why I offered boycotting the Codpoints first. MTX belong in free to play games. If I had to pay $60 plus another $50 for one game, that should be plenty of money for the publisher. If they wanted to add MTX to the game in the first place, then drop the retail price of the game. It's ridiculous.

[–]AmongstZombies 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I hate seeing the little icons showing the currency in the game, much like free to play mobile games have. You have your 1/2 currencies gained in-game, and then you have the annoying one, that can only be obtained by paying even more money. Always there to remind you of their existence.

It's really shitty to see them taking that route.

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

(According to a blackops3 subreddit post about a month ago) Treyarch fought as hard as they could to not let MTX into the game. Too bad they couldn't just publish the game themselves. we wouldn't have this problem.

[–]AmongstZombies 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love Treyarch and I love their games. And I hate how much having Activision as a publisher is such a bad thing now. I remember being a kid and starting up my ps2 with an Activision game, and see their beautiful spinning logo. I knew I was in for a treat if these guys were on it.

But not anymore! It pains me to see Activision becoming the M. Night Shyamalan of videogames, and that they are doing it willingly.

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's all about the money over fans nowadays for a lot of companies.

[–]SirTwistsAlot[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

You actually make a very valid point and possibly sum up the entire issue. However, I'm thinking in terms of change you can't attach from that angel. A Boycott is obviously a simple and effective option but people wouldn't do it....... or would they? Idk. I don't have much faith on the boycott route.

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think boycotting the CodPoints would be an easier, and more effective way to get these MTX out of here. It would be hard to do it as a community without much of a face, however if the YouTubers/Streamers get involved, especially the big ones, then our voices will more than likely be heard.

Seeing as how Noahj456 (as much as I actually like watching him and his collabs with the Rooster Teeth/Achievement Hunter guys) just posted a stream of him doing a supply drop opening worth about $500, it's likely to not happen with the YouTubers, at least not with all of them.

This is a difficult subject to tackle, especially with how popular MTX is with games nowadays. Makes me sad that Publishers and even developers just aren't satisfied with relying on Retails sells, season pass sells, and DLCs to make them their money. They just have to try to entice us to spend more and milk us of our money. It's greedy and selfish.

[–]SirTwistsAlot[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

So do you see the trend getting worse before it gets better?

I mean, we all still buy the game. Maybe we can all decide to jump to a worthy title and just boycott the rest? I'm just trying to see how we can just get back to having the greed left out of gaming.

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well I don't want to stop playing, and we are just pissed at the MTX, not the game itself. Treyarch shouldn't be hurt because of this. If we boycott the MTX and no one is buying codpoints or they are losing money off it (if that's possible) then they have no choice but to remove it.

[–]SirTwistsAlot[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's another thing, there's no real loss by boycotting the points. How expensive is it to generate a skin/whatever and put it in a RNG? This whole thing makes me think quite a bit. Is there like a BBB of gaming?

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well they have to pay someone to make the skins/models of weapons/test the weapons out/sound sync the weapons/make sure there aren't bugs etc. It's "labor" time really, and if they aren't getting anything out of it then it's a waste of time and money to do that.

[–]SirTwistsAlot[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Okay well say we got 99% compliance on a boycott on COD points. WOuld it still be a viable option for activision to keep MTXs? Yes. Although they would likely try to add more value to entice more to buy.

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I'm sure they would do what they could to get us back. That would be the next step though: Not letting them entice us back. If we stood our ground and continued to say no, no matter what they throw at us, then they'd eventually have to give up because they are using labor hours with no return. It's a very delicate and complex process, boycotting is, and it wouldn't solve things right away.

African-Americans didn't go over a year boycotting buses with no effect lol. Buses were losing money due to less people riding, and eventually had to concede. That's what would (hopefully) happen to Activision in order to get our point across. They'd still make LOADS of money if they just offered the skins/weapons/whatever at a set price. That's FAR more acceptable than having to shed lots of cash on random chance (the whole random thing is what makes people angry the most, I believe). $1-2 a weapon, and a variance on skins depending on how flashy they are. I'm perfectly fine with that. It's fair, downloadable content that everyone can afford and receive.

[–]DoctorKoolMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

boycotting cod points wouldnt do it

they would just find another way to monetize the game; as long as their is a large playerbase there will be hope of monetization in activisions eyes

and if it hurts the develeopers? well, that sucks. But what is 3 development studios worth of people needing to find new jobs (which probably wouldnt even happen) compared to millions upon millions of people being ripped off?

they can start trying to find new jobs any time, they know what they are doing

[–]TheShadeTreeTheShadeTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd be fine with small, one-time dlc type MTX where guns/skins/whatever were like a $1-$3 or whatever. That way people aren't throwing hundreds of dollars at the game and getting potentially nothing in return aside from a ton of duplicates and things they didn't want.

[–]Mrfarside44 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

not true, I know a few kids who play BLOPS3 and most of them got their parents to give them money to buy COD points. I know one of them spent $25 Australian on them and pretty much got nothing from the drops.