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[–]BrotherLongfoot 154ポイント155ポイント  (7子コメント)

C'mon, you can't let a few billion bad apples spoil the bunch.

[–]Extify 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's only 1% of 20 million people!

/s

[–]LhtfootNY 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

Actually, according to varying intelligence reports, between 10-15% of Muslims are radicalized. And there are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world. So, do the math... What's 15% of 1.6 billion? Know of any armies that size?

[–]VerizonSuitTA 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The phrase "Islamism" on the graph is such a completely cucked statement. It was invented to preserve the fee fees of members of this backwards cult. It's just Islam.

[–]deadlypants1231 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can't blame the actions of a view on a whole religion, even if the religion is really to blame.

[–]Pbleadhead 72ポイント73ポイント  (6子コメント)

I am enjoying posting this around way to much me feels. oh well: http://imgur.com/gfTNKOv

[–]bows_onlyFL 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are only 2 comments on that pic and both are from SJWs. Hehehe.

[–]ReladosFL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck is that comment saying "But put in 1.6E9 shapes that aren't squares and suddenly there's not a clear pattern."

What's his point? "If there wasn't a pattern, then there would be no pattern?"

Fucking lunatics.

[–]Sub116610AZ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And if humans didn't have pattern recognizing we wouldn't have survived and evolved...

I'm sure there's a few lions in Africa that were friendly with humans way back when but yet we still didn't fuck with all the lions.

[–]jimlah 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Text is too small, which religion is the one with 100x more attacks than any others?

[–]sfielbugOH 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Klingon

[–]bukkabukkabukka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ghu'vam neH qet jIH vegh mughwI'! tlhIngan vISovbe'!

[–]BLUFOR1 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

As a Catholic I'm confused. Shouldn't there be some under the religion I practice as well? I mean what about the IRA? Were they not motivated, at least in part, by religion? Just curious.

Edit: As /u/Eoinerton pointed out Irish Republicanism is listed in the chart at 8 counts of terrorism. I still feel that this is a relatively low number, especially where the Troubles are concerned, but there is some representation there that I missed.

[–]repetitious 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Although the divides fall on religious lines, the motivation is political (occupation of a country). The prisoners saw/see themselves as political prisoners not religious crusaders and in many cases often had to campaign to achieve political prisoner status.

[–]BLUFOR1 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Right, but couldn't the same be said about Islamic extremists? They're fighting to establishing their new caliphate. Yes it's a religious theocracy, but they are fighting for political reasons as well.

In my opinion, having studied Irish History out of interest, and I am by no means an expert, don't let me fool you. A lot of their motivation stemmed from the divide between the English Protestant Church and the Irish Catholic Church. During the Troubles retaliation for attacks was often along the lines of "Drive into a predominantly Protestant/Catholic neighborhood and shoot out the windows." That to me suggests religious motivation, that you're targeting the other side because of their religion, because that's what makes them the enemy. Which, in my opinion could be perceived as religious motivation for a political goal. This almost exactly mirrors what we've been watching unfold in the Middle East.

Also, I apologize for rambling and if anything is unclear let me know and I'll do my best to make it coherent.

[–]Eoinerton 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I see what you're saying, but Catholic v Protestants isn't so black and white. They didn't kill each other because of the Sale of Indulgences hundreds of years ago, or because one side believes in transubstantiation, or any other small religious difference like that. The violence was territorial, political and historical. Their religious beliefs were not the main problem, even if, as you said, they were used to identify and kill civilians.

[–]BLUFOR1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, and this is why I'm a little confused. It was more about securing Complete Home Rule and getting Northern Ireland to join the rest of the country under domestic rule than it was about religion. But I feel that because of Daesh's insistence on Sharia Law and their interest in establishing a theocracy it's important to note that part of the issue is religiously charged. If that makes sense.

[–]repetitious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's certainly a very complex issue, but my basic point was the fundamental motivation isn't religion in NI, though it's at least an emergent property. I don't know enough about IS to comment on their motivation..
Edit: for example in NI you could say it's as much about ethnicity/heritage as religion, since the Protestants were originally planted from England.

[–]TheWizard34MD 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Crusades were like, a thousand years ago, so it's okay.

[–]BLUFOR1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, the Crusades wasn't exactly terrorism. Christianity wasn't particularly pursuing the terror route so much as they were pursuing the "hey, these guys follow a different religion, let's all get together and rampage through their lands and take back (it was never really ours) the holy land." They were more practicing conventional warfare rather than the more asymmetric warfare that terrorism seems to follow.

[–]Eoinerton 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Irish Republicanism is there. I think that's a better description of their motives, but I'm open to criticism if you don't agree.

[–]BLUFOR1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I couldn't read the bottom text clearly. Thank you for pointing that out.

[–]HowNewVA -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm Catholic and I'm enjoying the "all preists are pedophiles"/"not all muslims are extremists" hypocrisy thats coming out of the left.

Maybe Mark Raffalo will direct a movie spotlighting ISIS' use of the refugee crisis to funnel terrorists into Europe.

[–]The_Safe_For_Work 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Oh, yeah? Ever hear of Tim McVeigh? OOH! Burn, gotcha!"

(Drops the mic)

[–]zblackboxz 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

b-b-but muh domestic Christian terrorists!!!

[–]chainsawx72KY 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]user6688AUS 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

These are only 273 individual cases though!

[–]backupsunshine 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Those numbers just aren't accurate. Ulster Loyalism - 1? There were hundreds of terrorist attacks carried out by the IRA (only in the past two a weeks was a policeman killed by carbomb)

Edit: just spotted Irish Republicanism, 8.... Nah. Incorrect.

[–]catmambo 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly, I get the sentiment but missing any kind of time scale and with incorrect data, it's pretty worthless

[–]RockThrower123 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it must be going back like half a year (Unless completely fake) as there have been 144 Islamic attacks in the last 30 days.

[–]moonsprite 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only difference between a moderate Muslim and an extremist Muslim is who sharpens the knife and who uses the knife.

[–]hawkballzz 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some of the groups look like they were just desperately trying to find an incident of terrorism to put on the chart that wasn't related to islam.

[–]gramster214 29ポイント30ポイント  (14子コメント)

Where is Christianity?

[–]Doctor_Crunchwrap 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

Takes away the credibility of the chart without it being listed, there's very clearly been Christian based terrorist attacks, and I'm a Christian

[–]camerongillette -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you're referring to things like previous violent actions from the KKK, that will technically be listed as 'hate' attacks and not terrorist attacks which are not shown in that link.

[–]Doctor_Crunchwrap 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm talking about Christians shooting up abortion clinics in the name of their religion, or things similar

[–]sketch404 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a space for anti abortion on the graph. But I agree, I was hoping to see Christianity on there, and I'm a Christian!

[–]Thats-right-JayJPN 45ポイント46ポイント  (27子コメント)

NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS

YET ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIM

 

YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT

[–]xaxaxaxa4u 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

ANELE

[–]bows_onlyFL 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've seen this posted a bunch. Can you explain what it means?

[–]Nacho_cheese_guapoAR 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Its a twitch emote of a guy, looks middle eastern to me, wearing a turban

[–]bows_onlyFL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah. I haven't watched much twitch since the early days of Saltybet and some TPP. I'm behind on the times. Thanks, patriot.

[–]VerizonSuitTA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But guise dae that one shooter that one time makes it not true?

[–]Raw_Stanky 8ポイント9ポイント  (18子コメント)

Well technically you can.

The major reason for Islamic extremism and its hatred of the west is heavily due to the Soviet and American power struggle in the Middle East. People like Bin Laden and other terrorist leaders used the hatred that drew from the fighting and used it to gain followers for groups that had heavily regressive Islamic views(like thinking that the Quran as needing to be followed word by word)(there are also groups of Christians who view the bible the same way, and thankfully those groups are generally shunned) when in fact before fighting had begun, some of these countries were generally very progressive in terms of Islam.

The fighting left power gaps which were filled by militant groups that wanted to gain power, however when the power gap was filled these groups still existed. These militant groups still wanted power and in turn became terrorist, trying to turn more and more citizens to their cause became easy as many of the people in power were ruthless dictators. This and the fact that the Middle East had been ravaged by war from western countries made many citizens turn to extremism.

Now we have terror groups running around because 5+ generations of Muslims have basically been breed to hate the west and have regressed farther and farther into extremist Islam, because for many that is all they know, the younger generations will never learn any other point of view, other than Kill the west, die for Allah.

Edit: Yes, I think it's a horrible idea to let in Muslim refugees

[–]Mr-ByzantineCAN 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

But that ignores the numerous times Islam has tried to invade Europe, the actions of many Muslims LIVING in Euorpe and the west, their continuous oppression of non muslms in muslim majority countries. even ones that haven't been ravaged by war such as Pakistan, Egypt, etc.

A muslim who takes the Q'uran literally has the potential to be way more dangerous than a Christian who takes the bible literally. The bible has violent stuff in the old testament but the point of the religion is to follow the teachings of Jesus in the new testament, who healed the poor, never resorted to violence and made the ultimate sacrifice for humanity. The entire Q'uran is based on following a warlord who started out peaceful but turned to violence and pillaging as soon as he had the chance too, did things with 9 year olds. You could say he was a product of the time and he could be merciful at times but muslims think he is perfect, and that you should try to emulate him, this let's terrorism thrive.

I'm not saying that muslims are all bad and that the west is blameless, "we" did a lot of bad things to the middle east, but we can't say it was only our fault. We did a lot of bad things in Christian Africa, and they don't suicide bomb us. Islam either needs a major reformation (bigger than the protestant one where the Q'uran would be rewritten) or Muslims need to convert to other religions, or they need to be heavily secularized for this to stop.

[–]Ymir_from_Saturn 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

Right, but a literal reading of the bible would still have you stoning people to death for minor offenses.

Islam has some pretty terrible things in it when you take a literal reading of the Qur'an as well. I think both religions have the capacity to cause harm - BUT religion means different things to different people, and many Muslims do not follow the terrible parts of the Qur'an just as most Christians focus on the parts about compassion instead of the harshness in the Old Testament.

So even assuming a causative relationship between Islam and terrorism, it's a specific brand of Islam that's doing it, and Muslims whose personal religious beliefs do not coincide with that brand are not in the wrong.

[–]Mr-ByzantineCAN 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, I agree, it does matter that a Muslim holds the peaceful teachings in higher regard than the violent ones and I don't mean to shame them if they do. But I think there is causation between terrorism and Islam because of the Qur'an and we can see it in terrorist attacks in the west. Sub-Saharan Africa is a hell hole, worse than the middle east mainly because of our meddling, just look at the carnage of the Congolese Civil War, yet they don't attack us. Obviously Christian,Jewish, Buddhist etc. terrorists exist but they are not nearly as organized and prevalent as the Muslims, and we can't ignore that.

[–]Ymir_from_Saturn 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's true - there is a correlation. It is difficult to establish causation due to the confounding variables (sorry for jargon, best way I can think of to explain), but I am willing to admit the possibility that some level of causation may exist as well.

I just think taking it out on all Muslims will just intensify the problem - it will turn moderates against us, and the radicals will use it as justification that the west is their enemy.

Edit: Upvoting you because you are being civil and providing reasons for your beliefs.

Edit 2: Just got banned lol

[–]RandomGuy797 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

2 people have an insightful and reasonable discussion and one of them gets banned? These Mods really want to keep this place as a meming circle jerk rather than a place for any serious political discussion it seems

[–]Hyperman360 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean this isn't just /pol/'s Reddit outpost?

[–]Reiginko 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It just makes this place look extremist, since nobody is around to debate the strong opinions. It's a really fucking bad strategy for a sub that doubles as a PR forum.

[–]Mr-ByzantineCAN 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I totally agree, alienation of moderates is a recruiting tool used by ISIS, so we need to tread carefully. And that sucks that you were banned man, mods shouldn't ban if you're having a good conversation. Hopefully they work things out for you soon, this sub can only benefit from having reasonable debates like this. Have you msged the mods?

[–]i_like_turtles_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[–]cgar28 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you were a Levite or a Jew you would be stoning people to death. Hence why Christians don't stone people to death.

[–]Raw_Stanky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I agree with you, I was just giving a sort of base line to what the current problem is.

Islam is a fucked religion, and that's one of the major problems, especially the Quran, and they have done shit in the past just like every other religion.

[–]ButthurtSJWBelow 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Blaming it on the U.S. or Russia is completely wrong. It's in Islam's doctrine to kill those who don't follow Islam.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_GUAC_BOWL 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The U.S. fought a pretty horrible war in Vietnam for half a decade, and I'm not seeing Vietnamese suicide bombers in the US

[–]Mikeisright 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Raw_Stanky 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know they have. The difference is they weren't attacking us.

I'd rather have them killing themselves, than them killing themselves and us

[–]Mikeisright 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I certainly don't disagree with that statement

[–]nflgriff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Muslims tried to invade and conquer Western Europe in the 700's. This is nothing new.

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[–]Capitally 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Need more info this chart is misleading. Communism has killed millions of people more than Islam extremists.

[–]bobbobbityjnr 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Number of pixels per ideology: 4

[–]redro50 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is the time line for this referencing a random 24 hour period in the name of Christianity, and those aren't represented on the graph.

[–]bromyard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The whole of the Northern Irish conflict is listed as only having resulted in ten terrorist incidents. That is complete and utter bollocks. I'm all for you chaps doing your thing but this is just shite.

[–]BritTorrent 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this counting all the IRA bombings during the Troubles in Great Britain?

There were a lot fucking more than 8! More like hundreds.

[–]IprocrastinatetmrwMD 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't a great graph to prove a point. I'll be back with a better graph.

Edit: Done! https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4bryii/to_anyone_who_thinks_islamicjihadism_terror_acts/

[–]ButtsechtsVA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is the time line for this referencing a random 24 hour period in the past year?

[–]azsxdcfvg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In that case wouldn't putting all muslims in concentration camps make us all safer?

[–]politicsandsuch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Note that Christianity is not listed as an ideology on this list.

[–]ztsmart 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Add up all the nationalism categories and you will see how terrifying nationalism really is

[–]kingkrule1TX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

For the sake of argument you should probably add Christianity to the list. "Anti-abortionist" should be Christian. I'm aware Christians don't routinely bomb people and they don't massively perpetuate humans rights violations in their society, but some liberal is going to come up here and pull a Carl saying "NO CHRISTIANITY? ARE U EVEN REAL?"

[–]loyfah 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]ekpgTX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they added domestic attacks like the majority of the IRA attacks were, you will also see a major increase in the Muslim number.

[–]TimmyJ292 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does that say "Islamism"? Fair dinkum mate is that even a fucking word?

[–]RockThrower123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Islamism is politcal Islam.

Muslim - Follower of Islam

Islamist - Muslim who wants Islam to be the law (But will not kill for it)

Jihadist - Muslim who will kill to get Islam as the law

[–]NYPD-32 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But if you add up all those other numbers you get a slightly bigger number

[–]NineToFiveTrap 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not all Muslims.

Just a sizable portion.

[–]ViciousPuddin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anyone have a direct link to a bigger version of this? What years does it take into account?

[–]RowdyRoddyPiperMN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of these things is not like the other...

[–]RockThrower123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

COMING IN AT A CLOSE SECOND: UNKNOWN

[–]nikolaz72DNK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, is that one attack caused by Misogyny in there?

[–]chracker2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm behind on the U.S. it's mainly other groups.

[–]genedoucher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

....communism only has two?? Seems a bit low...

[–]HaydenGalloway8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didnt the IRA usually phone police about their bombs before they exploded to avoid killing people?

[–]WrennAmethyst 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Post a bigger image please!

[–]LlimMA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Islamism

Really?

[–]moneymark21NY 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Over what timeline?

[–]DJ_GiantMidget 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does anyone have a better quality version of this?

[–]captainburp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This image is shit.

[–]loki-things 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how they conveniently break up Christianity into other ideologies to make it look clean.

[–]uyontheinternet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alright, did the math. That's 4.7x the number of all other religions, combined, which is effectively the world population, since it includes unknown. Since there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world vs 5.8 billion others, Muslims commit terrorist acts at a rate of 17x higher than a equally sized population of the rest of the world.

[–]TheNameisCyrilFiggis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

thatsracist.gif

Because Islam is a race. You monster.

/sarcasm

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[–]legalizehazing 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fucked up thing is it's everywhere. China has Al Qeada problems. SE Asia has Muslim problems. Russia has Muslim problems. Africa sure has some Muslim problems. Europe and North America have Muslim problems.

Er I guess South America doesn't

[–]Beretta9Glock40FL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Outlier? What outlier?

[–]Mariokartfever 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Graph has no pixels.

[–]Steaksauce 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now count drone strikes.

[–]hypocriticalturtleISR 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

C'mon dude! it's only a small majority of them! stop being Hitler!

/s

[–]ashzel[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[–]AR94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

causation and correlation there is a difference

[–]ianyboo -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

To be fair in the US your chances of getting killed by a toddler with a unsecured gun are higher than getting killed by an Islamic terrorist.

[–]RockThrower123 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Cool - but how does that help us address terrorism?

[–]ianyboo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't, and it's not intended to. The point is that we should be careful how we prioritize the issues we face. If issue A has a 1% chance of killing you and issue B has a 40% chance you should not have the majority of your efforts focused on issue A.

[–]RageIsMyName14 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Amazing. It's so simple. And liberals cannot wrap their PC brain around it.

[–]10zzz10 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's so simple because it's shit

[–]Soutine -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey, I thought Trump supporters were more well-informed than to believe any graph a random person posts on the internet. Isn't this stuff just made up? I googled it and it doesn't show up. This did though, under wikipedia's terrorsim article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism#/media/File:Terro.jpg

C'mon Trump suppporters, don't tell me you're gonna prove your oponents right by blindly obeying fearmongering propaganda, letting your deep insecurities and fears guide your political views. Let's keep it about reality, and the issues!

Edit: Aha, found it! It lists every attack in Iraq and the middle east after the invasion as a islamist terrorist attack. But if we look at attacks in Europe or the U.S. it's mainly other groups.

[–]Tekz08IA 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks

Yes indeed, let's keep it about the issues. Your post only includes: Number of failed, foiled or successful terrorist attacks by year and type within the European Union.

Islamism is a global issue. Muslims are a very small fraction of the population in the EU (around 6%) and it would be expected that terrorist attacks there are less common than in other areas. It doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of instances of mass killings/bombings worldwide are perpetrated by Islamists.

[–]Soutine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, not worldwide at all. Almost exclusively middle east and africa. Read the list again. Muslim terrorist attacks are carried out in muslim countries, mainly warzones. And sometimes in countries at war with muslim countries. Surprise.

Also that list is missing tons of attacks. Just look at these from the IRA and ETA, very many of which aren't on that list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks

[–]cggreene2 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ahahahah, Zionism 1? ulster nationalism 1?

Go on, eat up more of papa Donalds propoganda pasta.

[–]polarpack -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let's add one column, Democracy. How many deaths in the name of Democracy?

[–]paxitas 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This chart seems to show only non state-sponsored murders. If we're going to go down the path of that, then the 94 million who died in the name of communism in the 20th Century would break the chart.

[–]tofusp -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Religion is evil, but clearly some religions are more evil than others!