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[–]Blackthorn8 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is a strong FR due to its detailed nature and your internal dialogue. Your humility is serving you well. I learned a lot in your summation. This game doesn't come naturally to most. This FR illustrates why this is such a bitter pill. Most of the strategies go against so many of the natural (bad) beta habits we develop over time. Keep leading your family, the rest is on its way.

[–]TimeNdevotion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep leading your family, the rest is on its way.

AMEN!

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks. To be honest it is the hardest part. Being willing to lead, even if in a corny way, like having a family vision, and "raising" your wife and kids into adults. Sometimes I feel like I deserve a break, but I know I don't.

[–]Boesman12Unplugging 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would have caved in at this right away, I just want to get along.

Isn't this the beginning of our betadom. We as men are programmed to take the path of least resistance because we know that is the shortest route. Because logic.

But with woman we must resist the urge and show that we will lead her to take our route because its the best for our family.

Well thought out FR. Food for thought.

[–]Griever114 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't this the beginning of our betadom. We as men are programmed to take the path of least resistance because we know that is the shortest route. Because logic. But with woman we must resist the urge and show that we will lead her to take our route because its the best for our family. Well thought out FR. Food for thought.

Ah logic, its our greatest strength but women know this and helped manipulate it into our greatest flaw.

[–]cj_aubreyMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't this the beginning of our betadom.

Agreed. To offer deference in exchange for future social acceptance, I believe this is the essence of betadom.

[–]Riding_Officer_CCI 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Awesome FR chap- the deconstruction of her behaviour and your reactions are really useful, beecauuuuse... AWALT.

The phrase I've been using more and more when tested, rather than DEER, and as development of STFU, is... grin "I got this." Of course for that to work, one has to *show that shit has indeed been got.

Yes, it means I'm still setting out the boys kit for nursery tomorrow, tidying the kitchen or sorting something around the house while she relaxes, after a shorter day than mine in a much easier (but much better paid) job- but I'm the Captain, and I set the example. It's not about 'fair.'

I've noticed that imposing my will I the world and handling shit is a virtuous cycle, which brings a smidgen more inner confidence each day.

tl:dr - favourite FR

[–]rpnow[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. "I got this" is great, I'll start working that in more!

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

you bitch, you just have to tweak something to get the final word.

This stood out. Reminds me of something I read a while ago. Something in Genesis.

Wife is relentless at trying to tame me, get me to doubt myself, get me to admit that I am a beta.

Pisses me off as well. Until all of human history until 1960 the solution was to turn her over your knee.

she never said anything to reassure me that she was enjoying herself.

Again, dancing monkeys, all your fault, you must lead, she gets to give you shit nonstop. Pisses me off.

Deep down she wants to be hunted by a wild tiger, but all she will ever do is try to tame you. Don't let it happen.

It is not very deep.

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha yes, Genesis. After finishing your book I realize more and more that man is held responsible for the fall of man, even if the woman grabbed the fruit. No way to escape it. Pisses me off too.

[–]Chinchilla_the_HunMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You pretty much said everything I was going to as I was getting upset for /u/rpnow just reading this (in the same way you feel terrible for a character in a movie who keeps doing cringe-worthy things). That, and it was a reminder of how persistent women are with their shit-tests...akin to a child's insatiable desire for play and games.

Frustrations aside, my pat-on-the-back to OP along with everyone else for a great FR and for maintaining frame well. The inner voice lines highlight the need for the RP community to crowdsource a "Shit-to-English Translation" dictionary.

[–]il-est-ressuscite 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No matter what naysayers may come, lurve, lurve, lurve ( as the kids say) this FR dude!

[–]Redneck001MRP-APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ha! I liked your FR.

My only.advice is don't overthink. Sometimes (well, most times) people choose the easiest path. Which means, most people will sleep late vs ... something else.

Don't fall into the trap where you're killing flies with a newfound hammer.

Great leadership, though. I enjoyed reading that.

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I've been struggling to find a balance to be honest. As a recovering Career Beta, I truly don't know what Alpha looks like; my model being Bruce Willis movies leaves me a little ignorant. Thanks though, hoping that eventually I can react naturally without having to analyse so much.

[–]RedPillDadMarried- TRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Analyzing her every move puts you into her frame instead of yours. Seems you've been attending to her frame and she has long profited from that. You can inadvertantly foster weakness by doting on her. And like a spoiled child, the cycle can be challenging to break.

Stop focusing on her and lead yourself instead. Your family will be more inclined to align when you're on a winning path.

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, realizing that more an more. Late in the game to find out my frame is no good, gonna take some work.

[–]RedPillDadMarried- TRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Never too late. Attending to the shittier frame squanders leadership. For my wife and I, it was over-attending to the kids, especially our learning disabled one. There's a big difference between minimizing losses and winning. It's the difference of focusing on opportunities instead of endless shitty-ass problems... Be an opportunity guy leading your team to wins. Hope that helps.

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It does, thanks.

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

Maybe I am projecting. Maybe not.

She had a great experience at the cost of your hard work, and you managing her pissy actions and mood.

So are you the prize?

And what did she do to add value to your life?

The other question that stands out for me - What behavior are you rewarding with these types of interactions?

food for thought.

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Great point. I am hoping that out there on the horizon somewhere that she will be able to forget about my past beta self, or at least it will be so hazy that her reality is being married to a family alpha, and so then things will happen a little easier and more natural?

I know that I'll never stop dealing with tests and proving myself, but I get the sense that since this is all new to her, and still only makes up 5% or less of our time together that she's just waiting for me to go back to the old beta me. So I think I did an allright job of proving to HER that I'm the prize, but I do agree that in order to do that, being the prize in my own eyes probably did degrade a little bit.

I hope that one day when I can convince her a little more that I am a little I can start to do some of the pavlovian stuff. But point taken, I will focus on believing that I am the prize internally more.

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

She.... Her... proving to her....

yea.

create your frame.

its that time of the month

[–]BrokenSystem1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

I like your questions... but i guess i'm still a little lost as i've just found the pill more recently... his story above wasn't about her adding value to his life. She had the choice to either get in or get out. Does an alpha look for a women to add value? help me out here.

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

forget alpha or beta or omega or whatever for a second.

The idea is you should add value to the relationships in your life, and those people in your life should do the same.

My point is while everyone is congratulating the guy for a good job of not fucking up, I am pointing out the next series of questions he should be asking himself.

[–]BrokenSystem1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

okay okay... soooo.... because i'm learning... and no where in marriedredpill do i see much about this, but how does a wife that you don't seek validation from give value?

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and no where in marriedredpill do i see much about this, but how does a wife that you don't seek validation from give value

Depends on the beholder.

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to be trying to internalize this I also think WISNIFG and many comments on posts around here deal with seeking validation a lot. I just read one, but can't find it.

[–]RPMavMarried [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Interesting conversation, companionship, child-rearing, cooking, cleaning, sex, perspective... the point is that she shouldn't be dead weight, along for the ride, testing and complaining and challenging the whole way. She, and all the people you invest your time in, should contribute positively to your life.

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is it, always improving. The more I know, the more I know I need to know.

[–]HerrBrainMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does an alpha look for a women to add value?

TRP looks at male behaviour as Alpha, MRP is a combination of Alpha and Beta.

Because we are in LTR's/marriages, we stay with our significant others because they "add value" to our lives.

If there were no value being added to our lives by our SO's, what would be the point in staying in the relationship?

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Having her along did add value in the end, but was it truly worth all the turmoil? I'm not sure.

But the mistakes I'm still making are that I've built a small weak frame, that is ultimately still inside of hers. Now I have to move from the "fake it to make it" to the genuine natural make it part, the actual unplugging part...

[–]spexerMarried 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great FR.

She will never love me the way I want her to... ... She is a mirror that I can see how well I'm leading in.

this is so very true. A great indicator.

and you also set up a new goal for us all to strive for:

I need to continue to improve a LOT before I can start to acheive a big victory like her begging for my cock in her ass while I eat a pizza on the beach in Hawaii.

[–]iamrsj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

good post

[–]FearDearg2015Married- MRP MODERATOR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great FR. Upvoted.

[–]Ordinary_Gentleman 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Very useful.

Thanks.

Notice that AWALT were not reasons to be a dick, but to show virtue in the face of her pissiness. Leadership if you will.

I was always told men desire domestic tranquility. Bullshit. My grandfather always told me to marry a strong willed woman, because it was a challenge. At the time I never understood, and now I can see what he is saying, I am not sure this is what he meant.

Good report.

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes! I am learning this more and more. The things that aggravate me are actually challenging me to become a better man. I hate it, but am at least learning from it.

[–]donerkebabplease 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great FR. I learned from it. The translations are an eye-opener, I need to get better at this.

translation: "I know you think that you are a strong alpha tiger and I'm allowing you to have a little fun, but remember who holds the leash here."

Here here!

Thank you for this reminder:

Wife is relentless at trying to tame me, get me to doubt myself, get me to admit that I am a beta.

[–]crazycattime 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was awesome, thank you.

[–]maxofreddit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

1 - I just realized having a translator in my ear like this would make my life a shit-ton easier

2 - One of my biggest challenges is the "I told you so" thing. Even though I think I'm being playful, I see more and more that I'm seeking her validation, just like you said. I (& she, funny enough) want it so I DON'T need her validation/good job/pat on the head.

It's never over. But what fun would that be, right?

[–]RedDreadWolverine 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you spend a lot of time putting that much focus on her? I pay my wife very little mind unless I'm paying attention to decipher a reoccuring problem or she's doing stuff I like. I try to focus on my own game otherwise.

I'm not criticizing I just find that wife analysis is often fruitless unless it's to troubleshoot something reoccurring.

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah /u/scurvemuch pointed out as well that I'm still alot in her frame by trying so hard to ensure she has a good time, which I need to work on. The other part though is that I'm just discovering these things about my wife, and it really is unlearning the blue pill and starting to swallow the red. I think as it starts to dissolve I will be no longer analysing and just doing me.

But it really has been like an expirement, see what works, what doesn't, so these are like an explorers findings in the uncharted new red territory.

[–]RedDreadWolverine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doxxed, fired, been busy starting my own business and doing damage control professionally. Putting some podcasts in the can as well as videos for a YouTube thing. That's way in the future. I've learned to let my content sit for a while and revise it before publishing. In regard to your wife analysis just remember AWALT and if you want to hunt a deer don't ask the deer but the Hunter. You can analyze but be wary of seeking clarification of her nonsense. And don't study her so closely that you're not in the moment.

[–]pingpongsam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best thing I've read on this sub in a couple months. Excellent FR. Superb material and excellent writing of it.

I especially liked how you avoided the I told you so at the gate.

[–]BrokenSystem1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really love this story..... thank you. I'm still trying to cure myself of seeking validation and this was a great use case to show how things can go when seeking validation is left to the wind. I'm always asking my wife for permission.... I've been doing better, but damn.. i'm still such a fucking bitch... anyways. keep posting... i like to read these it helps.

[–]rpnow[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

For me I really had to see proof that leading unapolagetically is what she wants. My whole life I've been taught the opposite.

[–]BrokenSystem1234 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Totally right!!! Been taught to be everything but stoic and confident. To be sheep and afraid.... I have two sons and i'll be damned if i'm going to let anyone squash their confidence and their self respect.

Relearning our perspective that we've been taught our entire lives is turning out to be difficult, lots of stumbling along the way. But progress isn't without falling down! Good luck on the future and keep posting!