Arizona is a massive FRAUD !

puppuli · 4時間前

Maricopa country 2008 and 2016 comparision

Year	2008	2016
Total votes	254,536	218,587
Election Day Voting Turnout	113,807	32,949
Paper Early Voting Turnout	140,729	185,638

zdravkopvp · 5時間前

Bernie needs to call this shit out, Maricopa county had long lines of 3-4 hours plus and people still in line to vote at 11pm yet apparently a county of 4 million only had 30,000 votes yesterday!? Bernie won 60%-40% with people who voted yesterday btw... this whole process is a scam and I'm disgusted.

heho100 · 5時間前

Bernie's campaign need to adress this. He really needs to call this shit out or it could continue in other states.

StoryLineOne · 1時間前

Honestly, I've been pretty eh on "Voter Suppression" in previous states, where I've mostly been "okay, some bad stuff happened but that happens every election year."

This however, this is some BS. Arizona should be taken off the board for an absolute TERRIBLE show of democracy. Or, they should RE HOLD THE ELECTION with all polling stations OPEN. What an absolute joke.

Logic_77 · 4時間前

The lines are ridiculous I went to vote way out in the suburbs of Phoenix at 6 am and there was already an hour long wait. I had an early ballot and saw some other guy with an early ballot just go up to the front so I just followed him and when I got inside there were a bunch of open booths but they were letting only like 3 people in at a time and it was taking forever.

PigFarmington · 1時間前

Then you can only conclude that this is a rigged election process.

Yeah... what are we going to do about it other than complain and assume people maybe will be held accountable? Even then, what will change? Nothing unless we do something meaningful.

Adriharu · 5時間前

Sadly, what Happened in Vegas (Nevada), didn't stay in Vegas. It leaked into AZ as well.

danzonera · 4時間前

I knew this was going to be a mess when I heard they were cutting the amount of polling places. Do the math. What difference does it make if you can vote anywhere when there are so many fewer places? Duh! And when there are so many young new voters. They knew exactly what they were doing. I live in Chicago and was an Election Judge for 10 yrs. Also, Prov. Ballots are a joke! My take on it in Chicago is that the Dem. Party does not care about counting them unless they are behind. Their candidate won, although by a squeaker, so why bother? That's how it works in democracy land folks!

LostScot · 3時間前

Can someone post a link with steps we can take to combat this? Officials to contact demanding provisionals be counted or the polls opened again for those who were affected?

JustForCancer · 1時間前

Before there were many reports of people being given provisional ballots, I posted my experience at the polls and people wrote it off like grandmas don't know what they're doing.

I had already called the Secretary of State to confirm my registration a month ago. When I called they said they said they didn't have me in the system. I was adamant that I had submitted my registration form back in November. She put me on hold and surprise they found it! She said I needed to provide my birth certificate to complete it and I did despite finding it weird I had no notification that I needed to do that.

I go to vote in Scottsdale (Maricopa) and am with my mom. We both get through the line and an older lady checks me in. Another woman comes up behind her and tells her to give me a provisional ballot. My lady said no the system says I get a regular ballot. They go back and forth until my lady just hands me a regular ballot and the other one walks off.

I found it very odd that lady walked up on my interaction and no one else at the table. I'm 31 and was with my 3 year old who was talking about Bernie the whole time.

dstreets · 41分前

AZ GOVERNORS CALLS VOTING PROBLEMS "UNACCEPTABLE" https://twitter.com/dougducey/status/712654742787203073/photo/1

kittencaboodle · 45分前

I'm going to say something that may not be popular. I DO NOT think this was a conspiracy to put Hillary into power.

I 100% agree that it was voter suppression, but EVERYONE was affected by this. People who were registered as long time Democrats (which would ostensibly support Hillary) are saying their registrations were changed to Independent without their knowledge. Independents changed, verified, and double checked before the cut off, only to arrive and find out they had been changed back. People stood in line for HOURS only to be told the race was called, so they should go home.

EVERYONE was affected by this, Democrat and Republican. If you supported Trump, Clinton, Cruz, Kasich, or Sanders, it doesn't matter. The legitimacy of these totals is entirely called into question. Arizona results should be scrapped IN TOTAL, and a new primary held.

campcope · 4時間前

I just hate how we have a culture of thinking any sort of 'conspiracy' makes you a whacked out guy who lives in the desert somewhere. It's all meant to shame people into not thinking critically.

No_Fence · 4時間前

The disparity could come from early voting not being accounted in exit polls. But yes, something is definitely afoot.

poastertoaster · 1時間前

Utah gave their polling places ridiculously low numbers of ballots. I was at the front of the line 30 minutes after doors opened and waited for an hour for new ballots. I'm sure people couldn't get a vote because of it.

I know the Republicans did not have the same problem.

plantcircus · 31分前

Protest Voter Suppression in Front of Maricopa County Elections https://www.facebook.com/events/196616627383573/

gideonvwainwright · 23分前

I don't know if the Bernie campaign/Jeff Weaver will file something in Court or not. If I had to guess, they will wait to see if provisionals are counted. In the meantime, here is something Arizona residents can do.

The ACLU in each state routinely files State and Federal complaints related to election fraud and voter suppression. For example, in Ohio, where I am located, the ACLU in 2008 filed a class action lawsuit about voting machines, see here http://www.acluohio.org/assets/issues/VotingRights/PFM-VAS_01081_P_101002_A_Complaint.pdf.

In Arizona, the ACLU is located here: American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona P.O. Box 17148, Phoenix, AZ 85011. Their phone number is (602) 650-1854 and their email address is info@acluaz.org. Please don't blow up their phones.

If you have a Complaint you would like them to consider, here is the link: http://www.acluaz.org/get-help/file-complaint. My suggestion would be to use this Complaint form, so that you all are not blowing up their phones.

The ACLU is often underfunded and understaffed, so please don't harass them. They may have have information about "cooperating attorneys" in Arizona who also do this kind of work, although they cannot give "referrals".

Here's an example of what ACLU Arizona does: http://www.acluaz.org/issues/voting-rights/2010-12/333.

ACLU also has a tremendous resource page, here: http://www.acluaz.org/resources.

Edited to add info and this is also filed as a separate post for visibility.

Thetman38 · 20分前

Some counties in Florida ran out of ballots and the state refused to extend the time

IMakeIce · 16分前

So...I have a question that is related to this.

Why the fuck are we still doing physical location voting?

People all over the country love to say "voter turnout sucks, people need to get out and vote" but when tons of people do show up in states where you actually have to go and fill in a bubble or punch out a chad or whatever has to be done there are 4 hour lines, or caucusing causes all kinds of drama, or polls are blasted out too early and start influencing people's decisions. And yet we want more people to pile into the shitfests we've been seeing all over the county this year?

Why, in the 21st century, are we not completely mail-in/electronic voting? I get a ballot in the mail to the address on my voter registration...I fill it out that day...I put it in my car, and the next time I see an official ballot box while I'm driving around, in goes my ballot. I have 2 goddamn weeks to vote, not one day where maybe I will, maybe I won't, be able to vote because I can't get into the voting location within 4 hours before the rest of my life needs attention again.

gideonvwainwright · 1時間前

Arizona Officials Confirm Legal Action in Primary Fiasco, Sanders Ask Voters Monitor Situation

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/22/1505136/-Arizona-Officials-Confirm-Legal-Action-in-Primary-Fiasco-Sanders-Ask-Voters-Monitor-Situation

minichado · 1時間前

How can one explain that one of the rare exit polls done by the Daily courier in Yavapai County shows Bernie leading 63% to 37% and the actual results of Yavapai County are 54.4% to 43% for Hillary ? That is impossible !

Exit polls are not done on 100% of voters, they represent the fraction willing to fill out exit poles. this is not impossible.

stan3298 · 21分前

Fuck the DNC, there is no chance they get my vote come November if this goes unaddressed.

rcunningham007 · 11分前

Oh wow! I'm from Florida and I was denied to vote because I showed up as a No Party Affiliation. I was surprised but thought that maybe I made a mistake when I changed my address 2 years ago. I never questioned it so I just left. Now I just looked at my actual voters registration card and it lists me as DEM! (Democrat) I was going to vote for Bernie :(

adimwit · 1時間前

So one thing that needs to be pointed out is that the reason the election was called after only 1% of the precincts reported in is that early voter ballots were already cast and counted.

The vast majority of people in Arizona use early voting, that's also why they downsized polling places to 60. Anyone can ask for an early voter ballot. (Also note that it was the Republicans that did this, not the Dems or the Clinton camp.)

You can see the Dem results for Maricopa (where the lines were massive) here.

About 67,000 early votes were cast for Sanders and about 114,000 for Clinton. As of 2 A.M., about 30,000 more showed up to vote for Sanders and Clinton. This shows early voting is huge and they have been counted well in advance.

Another thing to understand is that Arizona doesn't have a Presidential primary (we have open primaries for local elections), it has a Presidential Preference Election. Az's PPE is meant for voters registered for either the Republican, Democrat or Green Party. Independents, non-affiliated and Libertarians can't vote in the PPE. If you are a registered Republican, they give you a ballot with all the Republican presidential candidates. If you are a Democrat, they give you a ballot with all the Dem candidates. This is why people are denied the ability to vote. They have to be a party member.

Lastly, the reason the lines were so long was because turnout was unexpectedly massive. Compared to 2012, about 45% of people turned up to vote/early-voted. Today it was over 60%. They cut down on polling places to account for less than a 50% turnout, and on the expectation that the vast majority of voters would mail-in their early voter ballots.

As far as the voter registration fiasco, that seems like legit fraud.

mwch · 1時間前

Somthing else your not understanding, is that larger cities has electronic voting , compared to smaller areas. once those large cities are counted and waiting for the smaller districts, it is easy to project a winner, if there is a larger % difference, unlike say Missouri where it came down toba few thousand votes

alvinwirtz · 1時間前

The Maricopa County Clerk has massive power on how many polling places there are. Michael K. Jeanes is a Republican who is actually trying to suppress the vote. The long lines are a feature not a bug. This is why Bernie should make a renewal of the Voting Rights Act a center piece of his stump speech

thisismyfinalaccount · 4時間前

I'm so sorry /u/aidan_king

justadudeonreddit111 · 1時間前

For the love of god do not just roll over and allow this to pass..

Its time for us to put on the big boy pants.. if bernie gets fucked out of winning and becoming president we MUST take action.. and not just "SOCIAL MEDIA" action.

Yes we will all need to get off our asses and possibly even blow off work etc. we need to hit the streets big time.

This is the most important event In recent histOry. We are very much at a turning point. And we need to make it 100% clear we are no longer ok with the way things are. We need real leaders. Honest compasionate leaders, leaders who care about us.

ThusSpokeJash · 2時間前

Bernie NEEDS to address this. I'm not astonished by dirty HRC tactics but this makes me sick to my fucking stomach. It makes me lean towards agreeing with Chris Hedges who claims that any real change simply cannot and will not take place within the Democratic Party. Sad, sad SMFH type shit.

Zincoshine3 · 2時間前

a protest needs to happen in arizona shortly.

Also, when you do make the protest, tip off these news networks so that the US can be publicly shamed for rigging its elections.

The US government will have no choice but to investigate and resolve the issue, else risk a total compromise of their international status as a democracy.

waitingforanalibi · 4時間前

Amen. No need arguing or trying to look for justice in a corrupt system. I have stuck through this relatively patiently so far, but this is just bullshit. All those marches should demand and independent run.

Johnhaven · 1時間前

We've been pointing out these little "tricks" and "errors" and "unforeseeable events" that always fall in Hillary's favor since Iowa and no one says anything. No one makes a stink. I think Bernie might not want to start making accusations unless there is some kind of iron clad proof of Hillary's involvement otherwise, it would damage the party in the long run. Sometimes Bernie's ethics get in his way but it's why I support him.

unic0rnp00p77 · 1時間前

Voter turnout was great, the whole Shady Oaks cemetery voted unanimously for Hillary.

BernieButtinski · 1時間前

It looks as if the two largest counties have not yet reported most of the people who voted yesterday. As puppuli's graphic shows, there are likely over 100,000 votes from yesterday from Maricopa county alone not yet reported.

If you then look at Pima country, they had at least 76.744 mail-in ballots submitted for the democratic election and the current reported total votes is only 96,545! So I'd imagine another 50k+ votes should be counted there.

So that is well over 150,000 missing votes for just TWO counties. And those votes are likely to go in favor of Sanders. This is FAR from over...

joina4u · 3時間前

Hillary supporter here but I wanted to chime in. The Yavapai County exit poll is not a real exit poll because they do not account for early voting. When you do that in a state with 2/3 of early voting, that is just plain stupid. It was confirmed by a Dcourier journalist on Twitter.
Otherwise, I agree that those lines were a shame but the blame should be put on the Maricopa County Recorder who's a Republican or the Arizona SoS who's a Republican as well. This primary is handled by the state and not the parties, therefore the DNC doesn't have anything to do with those issues. Please stop the conspiracies and undermining the vote of millions of people.
And thank you for the downvotes, you're just proving my point that you're not even open to a normal dialogue backed with facts and data instead of gut feelings.

awdstylez · 1時間前

Is something going to be done about this other than bitching on the internet? There has been some amount of voter suppression in every state so far, but this is the most blatant and likely cost us the most delegates. If no one (especially the campaign) is going to do anything about it, then we might as well just throw in the towel and give a big slap in the face to every person that stood in line, sat in caucuses, and just generally stuck it out through all kinds of BS to attempt to get their vote in.

Chesterumble · 1時間前

Fight for a revote. don't accept this Clinton machine bullshit

thru_dangers_untold · 1時間前

This may come as a shock, but the Democratic party is not a democratic organization.

AndrewfromBrasil · 4時間前

I agree, if Bernie does not get the nomination due to fraud, he should run as an independent.

Shkeebs · 4時間前

i smell fish

disengagement_mulder · 1時間前

Sign this petition please ! http://wh.gov/i7BnW

Y_Y_why · 2時間前

I can only hope a lawsuit is coming, i will donate more money just to see it happen.

Euxxine · 4時間前

I am not American but damn, do not let this stand. I couldn't believe how many people just had this shrug response after Nevada, acting as if its just an inevitable part of the process. This is wrong, and voters should fight against election fraud tooth and nail. What does it matter if Bernie actually wins, when they just change the results to suit their goal?

OremLK · 52分前

It's a clusterfuck at best and fraud at worst, I am with you on that. However you lost me when you said Bernie should run independent. That's not a "risk" of a Republican presidency. That's handing Donald freaking Trump the White House, and that I could not abide.

YepThatLooksInfected · 48分前

This election in AZ seems SO suspicious! The majority of my fellow Bernie supporters were turned away, and when they called the election fraud hotlines, they were told to go to a different polling place, and then offered a provisional ballot. Another strange "coincidence" is that I received a new voter registration card in the mail yesterday, too. As did a few other friends. I had re-registered last year just to be able to vote in this primary, and received a new card months ago. Thankfully, I voted early with the mail-in ballot.

There were multiple bomb threats called in midday in downtown Tucson - one being a court building that I believe was a polling location. I have a hard time buying this is just coincidental.

Edit: This was another bomb threat that was called in at a local rural high school. And yes, it was also a polling place.

-Monarch · 41分前

the calling of the election for Hillary after 1% of the vote allegedly counted

To be fair, this doesn't necessarily indicate fraud. Statistically speaking you can actually be up to 99% accurate (with a 2% margin of error) of a final result with less than 1% of the total votes.

Bartisgod · 40分前

Sadly, I don't trust the campaign to do anything about this. If they stayed silent with all of the shenanigans surround Harry Reid/the culinary unions and the Clinton supporters impersonating the Nurses' union in Nevada, they won't do a thing about Arizona. Bernie Sanders is going to let the Clinton campaign screw him over in Arizona the way Gore let Bush screw him over in Florida, for the sake of "unity." If there's a lawsuit by the campaign, it will be dropped or settled. Unfortunately, I don't have the money to sue anyone or the influence to get anything said in a major media outlet, but if anyone here does, contact the campaign and see if you can't go for it.

Mugnath · 39分前

How is Bernie supposed to win this if the DNC is playing these BS shenanigans. People should be calling for blood, this is our democracy they are ruining.

agills · 34分前

I just emailed the SOS for Arizona and asked them to count the provisional ballots. If they were flooded with requests to do so, I think it'd draw much more attention to it. I know it won't do much or anything at all, but we can at least try something.

ColdFire86 · 11分前

LE'TS ORGANIZE A MASSIVE PROTEST IN FRONT OF THE DNC HQ IN WASHINGTON DC.

yobsmezn · 1時間前

I'm a Sanders-or-Jill-Stein voter, just to be clear I'm not unbiased.

I think these situations are terrible optics for Hillary, even if it turns out the entire problem was just unmotivated mismanagement on the part of the Arizona Democrats.

It may well be that there was zero collusion between Arizona and the DNC's Hillary division, no deliberate vote-spoiling or pollbusting or any of the other dirty tricks that have been developed since 1800. It might have been sheer incompetence.

Furthermore, it may well be that Hillary simply pounded Sanders in Arizona. Maybe that's just what happened. A lot of older retirees and conservatives there. It's not unlikely.

But what really matters is how it looks to the rest of the voting population. How does it look? Terrible. Clinton is generally considered to be a lying, unscrupulous politician of the most establishment type. When there's chaos at the polls and she comes out on top -- every time -- it starts to look really bad. People jump to the obvious conclusion that she's fixing the race. It feels a great deal like House of Cards style brute politics.

Is she as dishonest as many Americans believe? I don't think so. I think she's not worse than 80% of the politicians out there. She's just far worse at lying, so we can always tell. Others get away with it because they're simply more convincing.

But this stuff sticks to her name. So every one of these "muddy" victories is also a loss of trust, and that may have an impact in the general election.

MarvelSims3 · 4時間前

I think I'd rather have Trump than vote for someone who plays politics with Media Blackouts and Voter Suppression. She's insane if she thinks she'll get our vote in the GE.

U5efull · 1時間前

wait a minute here. . . 32000 turn out to vote, 11000 show up at one of his rallies, how does this make sense?

ajl1239 · 1時間前

The campaign should absolutely be suing the State of Arizona and/or Maricopa County for this bullshit. Students and workers and poor folks most inclined to vote for Bernie don't have time to spend 5 hours in line waiting to vote -- they have exams, jobs, and children to take care of.

Shame on the Democratic Party for this banana republic "primary."

CorpPhoenix · 1時間前

As a German I gotta say, your whole way of election is ridiculous from what I've read and saw.

When I'm going to vote in Germany I enter the building (Townhall/School), I get a piece of paper with my voting options. You take a permanent marker and make your X for who you want to vote, throw it into the box and that's it.

I never stood in line ever, it takes like 3 minutes, no overcomplicated electronic bullshit which is highly manipulatable and unsecure.

You guys get played. Stand up and call them out on this.

BobbyGabagool · 1時間前

If this is true I just hope the Sanders campaign is on top of it and taking action. Sad to think that votes are being ignored.

SiWest · 26分前

Arizonans supporting Bernie need to protest this and make the public aware. I just hope some legal action can be taken because nobody should have the gall to do something like this.

crushcastles23 · 3時間前

Could someone set up archive links of all of OP's articles just in case please.

Rum____Ham · 1時間前

Google "Arizona Election Fraud" or "Arizona Voter Suppression" and there isn't a single MSM source. I wonder why? hmmmmm

astitious2 · 16分前

Hillary will never ever get my vote. The Clintons are dirty scumbags.

damrider · 4時間前

I am begging each and every one in here and in the Bernie campaign to NOT drop this matter. This is madness and we can't allow it to happen. We need to riot.

edit : Holy shit guys it was a figure of speech.

EaglesBlitz · 1時間前

It's obvious it was rigged but hoping anything will be done about it is a pipe dream. They'll issue a report...after November, probably on a Friday evening before a holiday. It will say there were "some inconsistencies" but still certify the vote and that will be that.

There's nothing we can do, and even an army of lawyers working for Bernie can't really do anything about this unfortunately. This is the DNC's handywork.

Show the DNC that we won't tolerate their corruption and deceit. Vote for literally ANYONE but Clinton in November. Don't buy the fear mongering or the DNC's rhetoric. A vote for Clinton condones these actions and will only encourage these people to continue. A Trump presidency is better than validating the DNC.

Grizzly_Madams · 1時間前

The Sanders campaign needs to sue AZ over this. If for no other reason, just to bring this garbage into the limelight so that future states are put on notice that they will be required to run their elections properly. I really hope that if the cost of bringing suit is problematic for them that they let us know that they need $$ to do it. And if they don't sue, I don't if affected voters have would have grounds to do so?

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Year	2008	2016
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