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Didn't expect a shutdown but nevertheless, congratulations to whoever really has the original patents. Kimteer does seem to have the cables manufactured. It also seems lmcable has found a manufacturer to make it with little down payment. In either case, the product WILL eventually find its way to the shelves for all of us to buy and whoever was telling the truth will profit beyond what would have been raised by this campaign from all the controversy(aka free advertising). Kickstarter is a platform for you to raise funding for production. If you have the production ready already, then kickstarter just becomes a platform for advertising which defeats the original purpose. Maybe this was the ground on kickstarter's decision to suspend this project.
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@lmcable I see you have come out of the shadows; I now see some light in the legitimacy of this project. Sorry I'm based in US and have no affiliation with kimteer whatsoever(I don't even read their comments anymore because it's hard to decipher or is old content). I created a new account because I am affiliated with another KS campaign going on right now and do not want that account being associated with this debate as this is a totally independent and personal matter. And if you didn't know already, I have to make a pledge to post comments. As I have said, if you guys did everything you should have done, you'll be successful and I congratulate you on your pending success. Now that you are starting to engage your users on this matter, let me ask you this and I'm sure many of us here are interested in answers to these questions. 1. Did you work with and had trouble with your original choice of manufacturer(kimteer) regarding manufacturing of lmcable? 2. If so, are you working with another manufacturer now? 3. If not, how did kimteer take videos (with proof it was shot post-KS argument) of the manufacturing of the cable? If you don't know how, what would be your best guess? I don't see ANY reason for you to avoid answering these questions as these answers will clarify questions YOUR backers have. If you think it's not worth answering, at least answer why you don't want to answer. Stop with the general answers and let's get to the specifics. Oh and regarding your post to Damien, because he has related experience, he(and I) can see how your video was generic. You can just request prodction videos to the manufacturer. You have added a statement data transfer works but no attempts to show it. If you added a very very simple physical note in the video like "@kimteer and our supporters" and show that WITH the mass produced parts, I will and everyone else will have ZERO doubts. Post a video like that and all controversy goes away. If you can't, I'm looking forward to see the answers to my questions above.
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Here are some things he could say if he is scamming. He will say he found another manufacturer to take over already. He will say data transfer was not possible when techcrunch covered him but research made this possible. He will make a video of the connection working(its easy to fake this. just get 2 phones and connect a good one from outside the camera and connect the bad one inside the camera at the same time or many other methods to fake the video). He could maybe even create a fake linkedin profile for Mike Underwood. Many ways for con-artists to "look" real and people are dumb to say oooh ok~~~. All these statements could be true but they could also be lies. Just saying there's the risk of him being a scammer even if he says the right things, and con-artists always say the seemingly right things. I am not saying he is a scammer, I'm saying there is a RISK. I truly hope this guy is legit myself since not everyone is reading the comments and can't see the risk that I see. I do NOT want our backers to have a possible bad(and rare) experience and go tell people how KS is a huge scam when KS is a wonderful platform.
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Another thing, why does he want people to wait for a video when he could just clarify with a yes or no in the comment first? The way this guy handles issues, I wouldn't trust my money with.
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@Billy/Danny Tesla thing is a speculation, not an evidence. In fact, there is no evidence for anything. Only fact here is that lmcable and kimteer/starterkick worked together and they have a conflict of interest. With that said, even if lmcable was telling the truth, kimteer isn't going to provide the goods to him. Lmcable will have to find a new manufacturer and that's almost a fact at this point. Now think of the WORST case scenario and Lmcable DID buy things off kimteer. He won't be able to ship ANYTHING. What stops him from not giving you refunds? This guy has no conscience at all as he took intellectual property off a manufacturer(remember this is JUST a what if scenario). He's based in Austrailia, not US. Kickstarter is an American company and the US law enforcement might go after him for not giving out refunds but this is only if he was in US. So in both cases whether or not lmcable is legit, things aren't looking bright for the backers in my opinion and this could potentially turn into a disaster. On a side note, electronics industry is VERY quick to adapt and with a concept like this, IF lmcable do have the patent in place, manufacturers WILL pay them loyalty beyond what is earned from this campaign(I know, because I have a couple not so popular patents). So even if you back out, you still are supporting lmcable by buying them when the product comes out on the market as that profit goes to lmcable. In either case, things aren't bright for the backers. In either case things ARE bright for lmcable since either they have a patent to get royalties from or will be running away with all your funds haha. Risk is yours to take. Btw, there still are questions unanswered regarding the credibility of the reviewers on the website, data transfer capabilities and the reason for saying 20% of funds will be going into the molds when the molds seem to already be in place.
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Wow sorry. I thought there wasn't anymore to point out. I went to their website and saw "reviews" by Mike Underwood - marketing director and Jenny Gonzalez - Journalist. I googled and linkedin both their names and found squat. Jenny is understandable but a marketing director NOT having a polished linkedin profile??? HUGE red flag here that things aren't totally legit. Another note to add after checking the media coverage(they were legit) is these cables do NOT support data transfer to a computer(google techcrunch lmcable and read the article). I saw the campaign again after reading this article and saw lmcable wording this as "charging cable" but saw it also says "Charge & Sync: support both fast data transfer and 2.4A fast charging". They don't warn ANYONE that this is JUST for charging. I trust techcrunch because they scrutinize as much as possible and question the creators before giving coverage. I started to see this controversy from a neutral point of view and now many clues point to lmcable being shady. If lmcable changes or removes any content such as the reviews on their website, that action will reinforce my hypothesis.
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Doing some further digging....creator of lmcable is Shuyuan Deng. Not being racist, I'm Asian as well. One of the first projects he backed turns out to be a serious scam - tesla lighter. Second project he backed doesn't seem to be communicating with the backers AFTER the campaign ended, they were very active BEFORE it ended - typical conartist procedures. Anyhow, I'm just spending my precious time doing this because I love all the backers here supporting these otherwise impossible projects and want this support to continue. I don't want to see everyone leaving kickstarter and spreading bad words about kickstarter because a scammer got them. So yeah just my 3 cents....
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I was excited at the idea and wanted to read what's been going on so I came to read the comments. After reading and analyzing both sides of the case, I saw this project could potentially become the scam of the year at kickstarter; if what the manufacturer is saying is true. One thing I caught fishy with lmcable is he said he needs 20% for tooling. The tooling seems to already be finished and production being carried out already(I am an engineer in US with extensive collaboration with manufacturers in China). Another thing is, he said he will use 20% for tooling but his goal was JUST $3582. If I was fully vested in this project, I would do all my calculations and really set a realistic goal because manfacturing can cost beyond anyone's imaginations if the tooling is custom for the specific product. If there was no controversy, I would assume lmcable to be extremely confident and set just $3582. Because there is controversy, I thought to myself....what if he really ordered 200 and wanted to sell it at $15ish a pop. That's about $3000 - something quite in line with his target....coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. I also saw what if lmcable is legit and manufacturer is not. It seems manufacturer has everything setup. But would they manufacture the product for lmcable; I doubt it after all this. What's the end result of that? lmcable has to find another manufacturer and repeat the development and tooling process all over. That takes months. Meanwhile, I would assume the chinese guys will be producing tens of thousands per day(maybe even hundred thousands if they're fully vested). And what prevents this next manufacturer from stabbing lmcable in the back? This product is VERY attractive and they could care less about the work lmcable did. In the end, I see this cable being ubiquitous in the near future. Also what guarantees are there from lmcable from giving out refunds if things don't work out? I know of many horror stories with Chinese manufacturers. One fried of mine outsourced a clothing design ONCE and she saw the SAME thing being sold at 1/4 the price few days later. Choosing who trust is extremely important(one strategy is to divide the product to multiple segments and have different manufacturers make each component). All in all, whether the claim is true or not....there's alot of risk of not receiving the product. Worst case is if lmcable runs away with the $$. Being based in AU not US make it even easier as I'm sure most sales came from US and FBI isn't(can't) go for this guy. If lmcable is legit and they certainly did their job correct with the patents, they don't need backers. They will succeed with this idea - big time, just on the patent royalties. If they did not do their job correctly, then its just a lifelong lesson learned.
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