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[–]JorDun2016 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (30子コメント)

Here are the poorest counties in America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lowest-income_counties_in_the_United_States

Highest crime rate by county: http://www.bjs.gov/content/dtdata.cfm#County

Race doesn't matter at all when the neighborhood is impoverished

Heh, plenty of very poor white neighborhoods that are much safer than black neighborhoods. On a per capita basis, the difference is very significant.

Even basic bitch liberals recognize this, it's the motivation for "institutional racism", the invisible unsolvable voodoo that forces blacks to murder each-other.

If crime/shit behavior could be explained by any statistically consistent variable across races the liberal acedemic classes would be hammering that instead of the weird mental gymnastics of "legacy of slaver", "institutional racism", "micro-aggression, "privilege", ect.

All that exists because they have nothing concrete.

America has put $22,000,000,000,000 (22 TRILLION) into monetary transfers to the black/Hispanic underclass since 1965 with no measurable results.

Cut the bullshit victim narrate and look at the numbers. This fantasy is OVER.

[–]thatswhatshesaidxx 14ポイント15ポイント  (19子コメント)

Meh, stats tell all types of stories....there even exists equations you can use to skew the data to read according to your own bias....they also have to take other things into account that probably aren't. That comes from FBI 2013.

Let's say I go to a party and I see 4 white guys get arrested for doing coke and 2 Asian guys talking to police about it....all 6 did it, just those 4 got arrested and thus the data would only speak to them. Take that example and magnify it a bit and you can see how using justice data can be tricky when the justice system itself can be skewed.

You can't really measure accurately with a broken yardstick.

Hell, does more crime really even happen in poor areas or is it just that there's more police presence?? Is there more coke in Harlem or Hollywood?

I guess there's a stretch there but whenever I see data I see something to question, not biblify.

....that and you read like a blatant angry racist....

[–]EpicRaptor 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

that and you read like a blatantly angry racist

Because he is

[–]JorDun2016 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (14子コメント)

There are two people debating. One is telling you to do your own research and find data from independent sources.....the other is calling him names.

Who is having an honest discussion?

[–]EpicRaptor 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not debating, im making an observation on what you said.

[–]thatswhatshesaidxx -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Never called you a single name. Just said I disagree with you and why.

If you elude to me saying "you read like an angry racist", I did say that but I still called no names

[–]SwggrBck -4ポイント-3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Nice mental gymnastics there.

"you read like an angry racist"

I'm not saying you're an idiot, but...

You just called me an idiot!

No. I said "I'm not saying you're an idiot, but."

Cut the bullshit. I actually did call you an idiot, just as you called him an angry racist.

[–]thatswhatshesaidxx [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Nah.

One addresses your behaviour, the other addresses your nature.

Very important distinctions in intelligent conversation.

[–]rodrigo8008 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's a strawman fallacy. That's not an intelligent debate. Knock your ego down a peg.

[–]SwggrBck [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Not really. It's the same as saying "I'm not a racist.." followed by something invariably racist. It's noncommittal nonsense that has taken over the language. Like how "literally" now means "figuratively." You called him a racist, deal with it. You certainly didn't praise him.

[–]thatswhatshesaidxx [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If I called him a racist, I'd say "you're a racist". It's not difficult.

It's like if you have a younger loved one behaving poorly and you say to the child " you're behaving terribly" or "you're not speaking nicely" and how that's different from "you're terrible" or "you're not nice".

I don't think you're having much trouble grasping this concept as much as you just really want to believe I've called the man a racist

I didn't and I wouldn't have trouble in doing so if I wished to. Kindly stop assuming you're me or thinking you have any command over my thoughts or use of the language.

[–]Mr_Derisant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I like your logos. You come across as an intelligent person with an intelligent argument. I also agree that further study needs to be done into whether or not the current input into the equation is representative of the population

[–]SwggrBck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Enough doublespeak. You certainly weren't saying he's not racist. You just don't want to be called out by insulting someone (apparently a most-heinous crime today, since it's just a short hop from "microaggression" to "cyber-bullying"), so we say things like "I'm not x, but y" or "you're like x-insult," to avoid or mitigate scrutiny. You called the person a racist. Don't feel bad about it, own it.

[–]Breal2014 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you read his history, he pretty clearly is an angry racist.

[–]SwggrBck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's none of my business. I'm commenting on the here and now.

[–]JorDun2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lolwtf? Look at those numbers! Blacks are 12% of the population but commit 51% of the murders. We are talking about violent crime, with victims. There is very little that is subjective here. If those 4 whites and 2 Asians killed a few people to get that coke, they are all being charged.

And this is reports from the victims, not police bias/presence. These are the victims of assault/rape/shootings reporting the race of the attacker. Keep in mind that blacks are generally fucking up their own people (90% of black murder victims are blacks).

You are essentially saying that there is a parity of crime across impoverished areas. If this were true, there would need be 12 whites getting away with murder for every white convicted. That is 20,000 victims a year. That is a retarded premise.

there even exists equations you can use to skew the data to read according to your own bias....they also have to take other things into account that probably aren't.

So are statistics an invalid method on measuring anything? You are making a pretty extreme claim here. Can you provide any significant evidence that would support this?

What we know with 100% certainty, blacks commit violent crime at vastly disproportionate rates. This is true when controlled for education and income. It holds true all over the world: in countries with no history of slavery and in countries with no legacy of colonialism.

Liberal academics spend their entire careers explaining away these facts.

Look at the numbers honestly and make your own conclusion. Every measurable variable points to the conclusion that human beings are subject to the evolutionary pressure of their environments are adapt accordingly like every other living thing on earth. Or, this is true for every part of the human body with the exception of our minds where intellectual capabilities are equally distributed across all populations and all differences are only attributed to environmental and cultural factors, questioning or researching this will also end your scientific career.

So yes, I believe that biological differences in race extend beyond distributions of skin color and aesthetic traits, hormone levels, susceptibility to disease, height, muscle density, bone density, intermixing with earlier proto-humans, gestation periods, and sexual development. I guess this makes me an irrational racist, so ya.

[–]thatswhatshesaidxx 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

And sex crimes....and every other crime beyond two are drastically white. What's your point?

Bad people do stuff?

Hate Crimes are also overwhelmingly white...what does that say to you?

I mean again, to me it's just bad things done by people, but I'm curious on your racial bias and how that knowledge effects it?

Also - these things aren't 100% black people...what causes the white people who do these things to do them (in your eyes)?

[–]JorDun2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Per capita

Learn what that means. Blacks are over represented in every....single....category.

Yes, including hate crimes.

This isn't my racial bias, this is real life occurrences of people of different races committing horrible things to other humans. I don't want blacks to be raping, murdering, and generally destroying their own neighborhoods. Ignoring the biological realities of this because it's uncomfortable is dishonest and harmful.

My opinions are shaped by the evidence the world provides, when this changes, so will my opinions. In the US $22,000,000,000,000 has not made the situation any better. It's literally insane to keep going down this road.

[–]Sturgeon_Genital 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

You've really put a lot of effort and time into your hatred of black people. Congratulations?

[–]JorDun2016 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ya, my opinion is grounded in observable data and I am willing to defend this on its own terms......

I guess I could just smoke weed and hate myself. Hows that working out for you?

[–]thatswhatshesaidxx 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"There are two people debating. One is telling you to do your own research and find data from independent sources.....the other is calling him names. Who is having an honest discussion?"

Your quote a few steps back vs your current statement.

You're just angry?

[–]JorDun2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

nah, bored....

Would you take that guy seriously?

[–]Sturgeon_Genital 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Defend this" to what end though? Because other people don't blame blacks and Mexicans enough for things? Why does that bother you so much?

[–]JorDun2016 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tactical nihilism at its best.

Yes, why discuss anything? Why examine evidence? Why challenge anything? Life would be so much more comfortable if I just got fat and fapped all day.

[–]Baldy_McGrindy86 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What that wiki link showed me was that it sucks living in Georgia and Florida.

[–]procrastinating_nhil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

100 percent of world wars are started by white people. If you ignore history and context and immediately jump to the conclusion that one race is inherently inferior to the other you are being both intellectually dishonest and racist.

[–]Awkwerdna [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No reference to income is meaningful unless you take the cost of living in an area into account. The list of counties you linked contains rural counties, while your "highest crime rate by county" links only show the crime rates in the 90 most populous counties in the US. It literally says that in the file description. There is one file that contains demographics for all counties in the US, but that file contains no crime data at all. The rural counties on the low income list aren't even considered in your other link. Only one of the links actually considers all counties.

Also, counties are not neighborhoods. The worst neighborhoods aren't found in rural counties. They're the poor neighborhoods in major metropolitan areas. They're located in the same counties as rich suburban areas, so many of the worst neighborhoods are actually in the richest counties in the US.

And that helps explain more of the differences that you're overlooking in the rural/urban divide. If you make $25,000 a year, it's a lot easier to find relatively cheap, safe housing in a poor rural area than in a mostly rich urban area. That's how the free market works.

So now we've established that poor urban neighborhoods are a lot worse off than poor rural neighborhoods, without mentioning race at all. There's your concrete difference: income compared to cost of living.

[–]JorDun2016 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

k, thats a perfectly reasonable criticism. Clearly it is not poverty alone that is responsible for higher crime. The evidence suggests that it is poverty+population density. You also suggest that standard of living exacerbates poverty in urban areas making income a less reliable metric.

So lets do our best to compare apples to apples in terms of population density and income with race being our measurable variable.

It's reasonable to suggest that different races living in the same metropolitan cities have comparable costs of living and thus the external pressures of poverty and population density would yield a higher correlation than race in the context of violent crime when controlling for income.

Here are profiles of the 50 largest cities in the US: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108477.html

Choosing a couple from various geographies is not quite yielding the results you were stipulating.

Here is Texas broken down by city: https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_staff/public_information/2012CIT.pdf

Here is the datafile for much more spread out California, the trends are consistent, race is a much correlative factor than income or population density. We're dealing with huge sample sizes, look specifically at cities like Sacramento with comparable income area density between Hispanics and blacks and the vastly higher victimization/crime rates for the blacks. Shit, look at the poor non-Hispanic whites.

Lets take a look at rural blacks. I will grant that your premise that population density increases violent crime is valid, it's effect in no way eliminates the racial disparities between races and actually exacerbates that of the black population. Rural blacks are less violent than urban blacks, but still more violent than whites in any demographic. Urban blacks remain the most violent of all. Again, the correlative of race is substantially stronger than that of density or poverty.

http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/ssvd/search

Feel free to browse the database for yourself.

Edit: I will donate $1,000 to the United Negro College fund if you can find a location anywhere on earth with a majority black population with less violent crime than a white area