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Four illegal immigrants charged in rape, beating; two were previously deported (foxnews.com)
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[–]BUILDHIGHENERGYWALLS 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 20時間前 (73子コメント)
Would not have happened if we had a President who actually understood that you need borders to have a nation. Shameful.
[–]pureeviljester 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
I'm glad someone traced the cause back to Obama. /s
[+]tenebrar スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 18時間前 (13子コメント)
You... don't think illegal immigrants raped people under other presidencies? Or do you just think all presidents in modern history didn't understand that you need borders to have a nation?
[–]kansas_city_redditor 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 17時間前 (11子コメント)
Well, other presidents didn't promote illegal immigration the way modern presidents do.
[–]Johnny_Stargos 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 14時間前 (4子コメント)
Reagan has already been forgotten it seems. That moron gave amnesty to millions of illegals and both Bushes pushed hard for the Dream Act.
[–]guyonthissite 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
No, we remember. We also remember how Reagan's amnesty was predicated on many promises from Democrats to lock down the border so it would be a one-time thing. As soon as amnesty was passed, the Democrats (shock!) went back on their word and refused to allow true enforcement of the border, thus telling millions around the world that if they get inside the US, they'll be good to go.
We remember Reagan, and we remember what a mistake it was to trust Democrats.
[–]Johnny_Stargos [スコア非表示] 4分前 (0子コメント)
You're telling me that was the last Republican to promote amnesty? Get real. The Dream Act has been promised by all of them including candidates like Romney and McCain. Maybe you'll say that it's all BS to get votes, but they are all set encouraging illegal.immigration with these proposed amnesty bills.
[–]urmombaconsmynarwhal 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
The dream act is the embodiment of good immigrants
[–]Johnny_Stargos [スコア非表示] 11分前 (0子コメント)
It promotes illegal immigration which is the topic at hand. It doesn't matter if they are good or bad if they are illegal in the first place.
[–]NickVanExellence -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 14時間前 (2子コメント)
Selective blindness re: Ronnie Reagan, eh?
[–]NewbieBoobieScooby 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
In the past 7 years, Democrats have endorsed amnesty unlike any other time in American history, leading to the tens of thousands of children showing up at the border alone or smuggled by "coyotes" in 2014-15.
In their recent Univision (Spanish-language) debate, the party's two leading candidates took an unprecedented stand and said they favor ending all deportations (except for violent crimes).
This was a green light that if you set foot here and avoid ICE until the end of Obama's term, you're never leaving. It's like Europe's migrant crisis on steroids.
[–]guyonthissite -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
No, we remember. We also remember how Reagan's amnesty was predicated on many promises from Democrats to lock down the border so it would be a one-time thing. As soon as amnesty was passed, the Democrats (shock!) went back on their word and refused to allow true enforcement of the border, thus telling millions around the world that if they get inside the US, they'll be good to go. We remember Reagan, and we remember what a mistake it was to trust Democrats.
[+]tenebrar スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17ポイント-16ポイント-15ポイント 17時間前 (0子コメント)
OK, how far back do we have to go to find this seemingly-mythical president who never had illegal immigrants get into the country and commit crimes? Will we have to dip into the 19th century?
After all, the argument as stated was that this 'would not have happened if we had a President who actually understood that you need borders to have a nation.'
[+]MaximumAbsorbency スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 17時間前 (0子コメント)
http://mayor.baltimorecity.gov/mima/immigration-action
:(
[+]le_prisonnier スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
This crime has nothing to do with the issue of illegal immigration. What is shameful is that you are programmed to respond to Fox News propaganda to only see this event in the frame work of it being about immigration. You are being manipulated like a tool.
[–]Meph616 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
This crime has nothing to do with the issue of illegal immigration.
Crime committed by illegal immigrants.
But has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
[+]bobtheflob スコアが基準値未満のコメント-22ポイント-21ポイント-20ポイント 17時間前* (3子コメント)
You mean like Obama, who has deported more illegal immigrants than any other administration in our history?
Edit: Reddit- you walk into a circle jerk with an uncontroverted fact and get mass downvotes.
[–]stuball81 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 17時間前 (0子コメント)
If I remember correctly this is due to changing the guidelines on who is counted in the official number of deportations. I believe past admins did not count those caught at or near the border. Maybe I'm wrong and don't feel like chasing down a source.
[–]Neken88 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 17時間前 (0子コメント)
and opened the way for the naturalization of how many illegals over those waiting in line?
[–]urmombaconsmynarwhal 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
His numbers increased due to the increased number crossing, due to his policies. Source: border patrol agent
[+]scared_of_Low_stuff スコアが基準値未満のコメント-42ポイント-41ポイント-40ポイント 20時間前 (42子コメント)
Yes because Mexican immigrants are the only people that rape.
[–]jeb_manion[🍰] 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 19時間前 (10子コメント)
That really wasn't the point. The point he was making is that he we had a border that enforced then this is one rape that wouldn't have happened.
[+]notsocrazy24 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13ポイント-12ポイント-11ポイント 13時間前 (9子コメント)
Or it just wouldn't have happened to a woman in the U.S.
[–]cupofmoe 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 12時間前 (2子コメント)
So American lives don't matter to you?
[+]notsocrazy24 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
Idk how the fuck "lives of people outside the U.S. matter to me as well" gets translated to "American lives don't matter to me".
[–]happybirthdaydude 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 12時間前 (5子コメント)
I care about my fellow American more. I'm not sorry for that in the least.
[+]notsocrazy24 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 11時間前 (4子コメント)
Yeah, tribalism!
[–]happybirthdaydude 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 11時間前 (3子コメント)
It's more like a recognition of the fact that our values and culture are, in fact, superior to those of the third-world shit-holes so many people in this country are so eager to import.
[–]notsocrazy24 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 11時間前 (2子コメント)
I really don't think that our perception of people's cultures should make their lives matter less. For all we know, the woman who did get raped is a terrible person, and the woman in Guatemala that these men might otherwise have targeted is a lovely woman who is kind to children. For all we know the opposite is true. For all we know both were pretty good people who don't deserve to have this sort of terrible shit happen to them.
Also keep in mind that the problems of the "third-world shit-holes" are often American problems that we just happen to be powerful enough to export.
And also keep in mind that our supposedly awesome "values and culture" is mostly a lie, and millions of dollars go in to propaganda to maintain the facade, despite the fact that in practice we meet almost none of the standards of "value and culture" that we presumably support. Anyone who pays the slightest attention to the current election can see that racism and violence are rampant, as well as a terrifying willingness to give up all the rights that we supposedly value so much. Where are our values and culture in this election? Where are our values and culture when we spend trillions to send men to war to be broken, but can't put up the money to put them back together when they come home again? Where are our values and culture in our absurdly high incarceration rate?
Look, our values and culture are probably better than those of a lot of countries. But it really isn't sufficient to devalue the lives of people in other countries.
[–]happybirthdaydude 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
That really has nothing to do with the point I was making. My point is we should not be importing the problems of all the shit-hole countries in the world. Import people who add value to our society and can pay their own way when they come here. Ruthlessly punish those who would come here and inflict harm on our citizens.
[–]notsocrazy24 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
You did a pretty shit job of distinguishing the point you were making from the rest of the conversation. You started with "I care about my fellow American more" and followed up with "It's more like a recognition of the fact that our values and culture are superior" when I indicated that it would be just as bad if a Guatemalan woman was raped. If your point was about "not importing the problems of everyone else" maybe you should have made it about that instead of using that response to a question of valuing the lives of others.
[–]popname 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 19時間前 (1子コメント)
Four illegal aliens from Guatemala are charged in the rape of a Massachusetts woman and the vicious beating of her boyfriend
The four Guatemalan illegal aliens are the only people who raped this woman. There is no denying that this rape would not have happened had these four illegal aliens been prevented from entering or re-entering this country. The fact that other rapes would have also happened is not relevant.
[–]ManualNarwhal 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 19時間前 (27子コメント)
I don't give a fuck. As long as they stay in their own country they can do whatever they want there. Once they cross the border it is just increasing the number of rapes in my country.
[+]scared_of_Low_stuff スコアが基準値未満のコメント-36ポイント-35ポイント-34ポイント 19時間前 (26子コメント)
Yes because all immigrants are rapists.
[–]Kaarous 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 19時間前 (23子コメント)
These ones were. And if we enforced out existing border laws, they wouldn't have been here.
[+]scared_of_Low_stuff スコアが基準値未満のコメント-29ポイント-28ポイント-27ポイント 19時間前 (22子コメント)
We should outlaw all immigrants by your logic.
[–]Kaarous 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 19時間前 (21子コメント)
No, just deport the illegal ones and prevent further illegal immigration. I want existing laws enforced. Why do you not?
[+]scared_of_Low_stuff スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 18時間前 (20子コメント)
Of course I do but I think it's a huge mistake to blanket a whole race of people like that. That's called racist.
[–]jonk88 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 18時間前 (19子コメント)
seems like you're the one that sees all immigrants, both legal and illegal, as the same. Seems racist to me.
[–]scared_of_Low_stuff -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 18時間前 (18子コメント)
I see as people as people. Immigration status has nothing to do with it. Of course we need to do shit the right way but saying all Mexican immigrants are criminals is stupid.
[–]jonk88 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
No, these were illegal immigrants. The nice thing about LEGAL immigration is that we have some semblance of control over who we allow into the country. Like say, filtering out violent criminals.
[–]EnjoyWhatYouHave 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
No, not all. Just a massive statistically higher likelihood. Immigrants who aren't from Spanish-speaking nations actually do extremely well, even if they're from much lower income backgrounds or even war torn nations.
[+]Covertghost スコアが基準値未満のコメント-21ポイント-20ポイント-19ポイント 15時間前 (4子コメント)
yeah, because shit like this doesn't happen with our native-born population?
[–]cupofmoe 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 12時間前 (3子コメント)
What a shit argument: "Durr we already has crimes, let's add moar!"
[–]Covertghost -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 11時間前 (2子コメント)
It's more like, this shit happens regardless.
What is the excuse then, build walls around the inner cities?
[–]cupofmoe 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)
It's more like, this shit happens regardless. What is the excuse then?
What is the excuse then?
That if we had had existing federal laws enforced, that poor girl would not have had to go through this?
I guess you're a libertarian or anti-Trump conservative; you don't seem to have any compassion for your fellow Americans.
[–]Covertghost -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
Yes, it's definitely us or them. Good way to keep the world moving forward.
Speaking to me about compassion? Rich.
[+]SputtleTuts スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17ポイント-16ポイント-15ポイント 17時間前 (2子コメント)
Probably would have happened in Guatemala, then. If you think rape and violence is OK or not depending on where it takes place, you might have shitty morals.
[–]BUILDHIGHENERGYWALLS 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 17時間前 (1子コメント)
I think it's wrong everywhere. Nice try, though.
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