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[–]over-my-head -34ポイント-33ポイント  (32子コメント)

$400 for a plain white cotton jacket? Was the cotton hand picked by Yeezy's great-great-great-great grandfather?

[–]Bonalt 19ポイント20ポイント  (26子コメント)

Joke was already tired when people were using it for APC x Kanye.

[–]over-my-head 12ポイント13ポイント  (25子コメント)

Yeah, I'll take the downvotes. It was a pretty poor effort on my part.

But really, can someone explain why this lightweight plain cotton jacket is worth $400?

I absolutely understand paying a premium for higher quality clothes that are built with better quality control, better fabrics and materials, are made in Europe or America, and are maybe even hand-made. And this isn't even just from a functional perspective - I know that these garments will not only be more comfortable, fit better, and be more durable and long-lasting, but they will also simply LOOK better over time than cheap crap.

On top of that, I absolutely also understand the whole added psychological benefit of wearing something with designer cachet. When I go thrifting, I am thrilled when I find clothes that fulfill my functional and quality and aesthetic requirements, and ALSO come from a really cool, fancy or rare label, and I'm able to purchase them for $15 a piece.

So I love it when I find ties or polo shirts or dress shirts or blazers or suits or sport coats from Burberry and Dior and YSL and Balmain and Charvet and Ermenegildo Zegna and Giorgio Armani at thrift stores, and later when I have a good career I could consider buying these brands new because of their high quality, their aesthetic, and their coolness.

I can completely understand why a high quality merino wool or cashmere sweater from Burberry will cost a lot more than a cotton crewneck sweater from Target.

But why on Earth is this Comme des Garcons cotton jacket worth $400?

Even really nice American-harvested Supima cotton clothes from Brooks Brothers cost nowhere near as much as this jacket.

What is it that is so amazing about the cotton and manufacturing in this CDG coat? The aesthetics aren't even anything particularly mind blowing or notable.

[–]feni45 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have to agree with you, mate. I could never justify 4oo for that. It looks like a cotton button up.

[–]over-my-head 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know. People are saying the design is why it's worth the price, but really??? If doesn't look bad or anything, but it's literally just a plain white button up cotton jacket with two large patch pockets down low, another smaller breast pocket, a hood and a drawstring for the hood.

Even if it was made from the best American supima cotton, there is absolutely nothing about this jacket, in materials, build quality or even design that justified that ridiculous price.

[–]PsychoWorld 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems very elitist to me. The argument might be that the subtle difference is where it's at, but I think it's better to stay out of high fashion.

[–]TheUnwashedMasses 9ポイント10ポイント  (15子コメント)

Quality is the wrong metric to be using to judge cost of garments above a certain level. It's certainly going to be higher quality than a $20 cotton jacket, yeah, and most likely used better cotton, but that's never going to explain the price difference. Made in France will add another level of cost but again, not enough. The price is as high as it is because of the design of the jacket.

[–]over-my-head 6ポイント7ポイント  (14子コメント)

But even the design is nothing special. I said that in the end of my post. The aesthetics are nothing that I wouldn't be likely to find in a white cotton spring jacket at the Gap.

[–]TheUnwashedMasses 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

Where at the Gap can you find a white cotton unstructured sport coat that has a hood instead of lapels?

[–]over-my-head 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

What is particularly earth shattering about that design and its cotton materials that GAP couldn't easily recreate and adequately approximate both in appearance and structural quality?

It's a light cotton jacket with buttons, pockets and a hood. The cotton GAP uses isn't garbage by any means. The design on the CDG jacket is completely un-special and un-unique, and GAP or Banana Republic could easily make a jacket with good enough cotton quality that it would structurally hold up as well as the CDG one at a tiny fraction of the price.

[–]Bonalt 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

They could, but they don't, and won't.People who are willing to spend a lot of money on clothes pay this much because it's exactly what they want. They don't just want a light cotton jacket with buttons, pockets and a hood, they want this specific CDG jacket. So instead of trawling everywhere for a jacket that looks just like it, and that's better quality than "good enough", they buy this one for a high price.

If you were talking about a plain olive colored field jacket, or a black wool peacoat, maybe your argument would hold more weight, but the CDG jacket isn't so commonplace. Mostly because white is rarely used for these types of jackets, and the fact that it's overdyed.

And finally I'd like to add that there's more to clothing quality than just how good the cotton is and whether or not the seams hold up. Most of it is shown in details lacking from the Grailed post.

[–]PsychoWorld 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

So if design is the reason, why not buy a Chinese rip off version of the jacket? Steal the blueprints and have a factory make it. Wouldn't that be the same then?

[–]Bonalt 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well I mean there is already a big market for that, but only for hyped items. You can't just get a factory to reproduce it unless there's enough demand for that specific piece. But if you mean that hypothetically...

Cheap knockoffs are rarely quality. Usually they're just made to be superficial imitations that are not nearly as good as the original. MAYBE our hypothetical CDG rip off factory could produce a well-priced jacket that has decent quality, but I would always go with the more trusted option in this case. I want the design and quality. Most of the people interested in this jacket probably want both too.

[–]over-my-head 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I realize design and aesthetics are important in addition to quality of materials and craftsmanship. I weigh both appearance and build equally to inform my purchase decisions.

But for me, spending an additional 500%+ for some incredibly miniscule and marginal detailing differences in the "ultra-cool" brands just makes zero sense.

Law of diminishing returns. I just don't see the point when the cost increase is so enormous to go from what is already relatively great quality and well designed clothes up to the "top-level uber awesome exclusive design house" clothes that all the cool fashion people wear.

[–]TheUnwashedMasses 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is no law. There is no special logic. You're paying for the design because if you want those details on that jacket there's very few people making things like it. Scarcity = higher price. Don't look for a reason why YOU should be spending that level of money because obviously the differences that exist aren't worth the price for you. Value is a subjective thing. Obviously if they charge that much for their clothes and are as successful as they are then there are people for whom that value is worth it.

[–]Bonalt 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'll point out that your argument is rife with hyperbole. If we use Brooks Brothers as an example of "relatively great quality and well designed clothes", then we're talking about cotton jackets for $300 vs. this one for $400. Not an enormous increase, and nowhere even near 500%, and likely not close even in the case of brand new CDG.

And for your other comment about conspicuous consumption and "cool fashion people", it's pretty contradictory. The jacket has no outer branding, and if your assessment is true, not notable enough to be recognized as a cool expensive jacket. There's nothing conspicuous about buying and wearing this coat unless you go telling people about it, and the majority of high fashion is similar.

But for me, spending an additional 500%+ for some incredibly miniscule and marginal detailing differences in the "ultra-cool" brands just makes zero sense.

Then we've reached the point where we should just say that we don't agree, and have different ideas of what clothing is worth. That's it.

[–]mxing[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

you make some good points but I feel like you've almost answered your own questions in your response. people with different spending thresholds or levels of disposable income will pay a premium for nicer materials and construction, and brand cache. while you may view the design as elementary, when viewed through the lens of being imported, theoretically made from higher quality materials and construction, and coming from a "legendary" brand, this piece may stand out for those who are so inclined. perusing BB and Gap only makes this more clear when their respective $200 and $100 options are even less mind blowing or notable than the piece above both in terms of construction and design. whether that justifies a 3 or 4x markup is debatable, but you could ask similar questions about a lot of pieces in the luxury clothing segment.

[–]palmytree 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh shit, it's this again. Nice!

[–]over-my-head -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's worth talking about when all the "best" clothing brands we are supposed to "aspire" to buy from are insanely priced even when factoring in materials, build quality, fit AND aesthetics.

Paying a premium for not just top quality materials and craftsmanship, but also great design and aesthetics and coolness makes sense. But you can get clothes of solid to great quality, decent to great materials, decent to great tailoring, and solid design that still looks fantastic for a fraction of the price of the stuff on Mr. Porter or Grailed, from Brooks Brothers, Polo Ralph Lauren, J. Crew, Club Monaco and then GAP and Banana Republic at the lower end.

Except to get the Grailed and Mr. Porter stuff you're paying an additional 400% to 1000% markup over already comparably great quality and well designed stuff from Brooks Brothers etc., just to get the cool label and maybe some miniscule and extremely marginal differences over the mid priced brands, reflective of the extremely diminshing rate of returns as you skyrocket in price.

It's basically spending a shit tonne of money unnecessarily purely for the sake of showing that you are rich enough to spend shit tonnes of money unnecessarily.

The purest essence of consumerism and conspicuous consumption.

[–]palmytree 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

No it isn't. It's rehashed shit you see in this sub every day written by dudes who have their mind already made up . You're not interested in a discussion- you want to preach your misinformation.

Edit: it's also fucking hilarious that you condemn consumerism while praising the value of Burberry in the same thread in a male fashion forum. Smh at all of this shit.

[–]over-my-head 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I only have ever bought Burberry at Value Village or thrift boutiques. I'm talking $12 CDN for a Burberry dress shirt or polo. The most I ever spent was $70 on a Burberry sweater at a second-hand boutique.

[–]Bonalt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You'll find that most of the brands you listed will have similarly poor price-quality ratios. In the case of designer goods, like YSL and Dior and CDG, you expect the quality to be as good as it could be considering what the item is, and markup ranges. 3k-5k YSL leather jackets have amazing leather quality, zippers, and construction, but even then do not justify their price if you think purely in terms of quality.

In fact, I find that this coat is interesting aesthetically because white outerwear - especially in this style - is uncommon. While it's a solid plain color, I've never personally seen something that looks like it. I would have to look at the fit to judge it.

[–]KingNekoThe1st 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone has different tastes. I personally wouldn't buy any of this for those prices but to each his own.

[–]PsychoWorld 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

His is a very sensible comment. Idk why it's so downvoted.

[–]Freudeam -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

lol rofl lmao