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How can the Tiger II Sla.16's fuel tanks explode? It's Diesel fuel, doesn't diesel require the right environment to combust? I know that shells spit hot metal into a tank but an Ignition source alone cannot ignite Diesel fuel. Solid shot shells or fragmentation cannot set off Diesel fuel either. So what gives? (If I have gotten anything wrong, please by all means correct me with the evidence.)

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[–]Survived the PT-76TruncatedSeries 17ポイント18ポイント  (7子コメント)

The fuel itself isn't what initially detonates, it's the diesel fumes contained within the fuel tank.

[–]Fleet_Admiral_Chris[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

But, diesel fumes cannot be the cause, Diesel doesn't readily evaporate like Gasoline will.

[–]Survived the PT-76TruncatedSeries 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

War Thunder isn't modeled to that complexity I'm afraid, as far as I know detonation chance is just given a flat % chance depending on the shell. The Soviet's tested their T-34 and found that fuel tank detonations were caused by partially filled tanks and fume accumulation, the optimal level for detonation was around 10%-15% of fuel remaining and using a shell in equal to, or in excess of 75mm with ~50-100g TNT equivalent bursting charge, that was enough to blow the armour open or deform it significantly.

[–]GavinTurneyget_tae_fuck 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't that why Russian fuel tanks were charged with CO2 (maybe I'm remembering this wrong?), to prevent the fumes from going kaboom?

[–]VorianAtreides 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Diesel will combust under enough compression - look up 2-stroke diesel engines

[–]MathiaSSJ18 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah diesel will combust under compression but heat sources aren't a way to provide compression. With diesel fuel the only thing causing it to combust is the pre-heating that takes place in the glow plug combined with a huge amount of compression vs. Normal gas compression ratios. Technically OP is right... sort of

[–]VorianAtreides 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

glow plugs are only used to start diesel engines - once the engine reaches operating temps, they aren't used.

Also, if an IED can cause JP-8 to burn, I'm sure the diesel used by the Germans in WWII can burn as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams

[–]skunkrider -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your mistake is to apply logic to a situation that clearly demands 70-year-old emotion.

[–]they call me mememaster, if you mess with me it'll be a disasterFunkyFreshMeme 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

2/3 comments complaining about t-34s. Yep, this is /r/warthunder.

[–]supergauntlet 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

this subreddit is something like half German players, it shouldn't be a surprise

[–]Fleet_Admiral_Chris[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

But I'm not German. I just like some of their tanks...

[–]5--5--4--4--3noblesix31 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

He means people who play Germany.

[–]Fleet_Admiral_Chris[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I do play Germany, but I'm not a Wehraboo.

[–]The Nazis won right?beezmode 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's what a wehraboo would say...

[–]Fleet_Admiral_Chris[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's what a wehraboo would say...

Thats what a Burgerboo sympathizer would say

[–]The Nazis won right?beezmode 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you quoting from the "How to Wehraboo" handbook right now?

[–]KubanPeteFrankToast [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Burgerboo

The term is freeaboo, commie.

[–]Sethos88 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/0P3J2pB.jpg

[–]dutchwonder 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Diesel can light from being compressed. Diesel engines don't actually need spark plugs to work.

Obviously in War Thunder its speed up, but burning diesel fuel spraying the entire crew compartment is a dead tank that you get out of as fast as possible, similar to how ammo ignition doesn't instantly kill everyone but you don't stick around either.

[–]greencurrycamo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The autoignition temperature of Diesel is 493 °F (256 °C). If it reaches that temperature it will burn. T-72s have diesel fuel and man won't an APFSDS make em' burn.

[–]Trey-sixtyviewButsin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

you think that matters? tanks can be one shot (tank burnt out) by shooting the transmission.

Gaijin has irrelevant info on things as such

[–]kuddlesworth9419 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know explain how a 88mm gun on the Tiger II can bounce off a T-34 at shallow angles.

[–]Fred42096 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm not sure why 6 76mm US shells do jack shit to T-34s

[–]Where are my field mod. shermans?ClockworkRaider -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

precision aiming helps, if you can put a solid AP shell into the gunner or the cannon breach that'll let you have time to put an APCBC round into his sides by flanking him, or into the machine gun port and into the ammo or fuel tanks, or you can kill his gunner and continue killing his crew one at a time.

[–]American teams plsJigglepirate 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Meanwhile T-34-85 use stock round to turn US heavy tank into nuclear fireball with one shot.

[–]Where are my field mod. shermans?ClockworkRaider -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

yeah, and that's why you have to try to make every shot count and use the terrain to your advantage to get around them or catch them when they aren't pointed at you. It is an unfortunate fact that the 85mm will fireball you every time they hit you, and it doesn't look like that will change anytime soon, but in the meantime the APCBC rounds appear to fragment now and actually can be used quite effectively to cause ammo racking and fuel tank explosions on the T-34s

[–]American teams plsJigglepirate 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Using the terrain to get around them is hard when you spawn on the edges of the map. :(

[–]Where are my field mod. shermans?ClockworkRaider 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

true, the other option is to find a good flanking ambush position near the spawn that you can easily reach before they can rush you and wait. Especially if you are covering the approached to capture points you can kill a bunch of people who get too zoned in on the points to notice you, and then you get plenty of time to put your first round anywhere you want.