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[–]Anthan 10ポイント11ポイント  (32子コメント)

I have seen a lot of internet taboos in my time, Fedoras, Justin Bieber, etc. Many of which I agree with or at least respect, but I still can't see why the Comic Sans font is hated so much.

[–]friendly nerd friendtom641 22ポイント23ポイント  (27子コメント)

Because it's overused by people trying to maky fliers look "fun" and "silly" for things like church dinners, school events, etc

[–]KoboldCommando -2ポイント-1ポイント  (26子コメント)

It's just a symptom of there being no spectrum between Comic Sans and the various overly-formal fonts that are difficult to make less cold for the inexperienced.

There's nothing at all wrong with Comic Sans, in fact it has a lot of upsides. The hated is just a passive aggressive insecurity which became a meme.

Now that I think about it, if anyone should be mocked, it's the people who hate on the font so much.

[–][muffled mettaton sounds in the distance]thefran 31ポイント32ポイント  (25子コメント)

It's just a symptom of there being no spectrum between Comic Sans

You know nothing about typography, do you?

There's nothing at all wrong with Comic Sans,

Where do I even start? First, let's get this out of the way:

Comic Sans is not useful for comics. If you've ever seen a comic, you'll notice the dialogue is written in ALLCAPS. Capital versions of letters are actually the same letters except bold. This is extremely useful and handy. Comic Sans comes in upcase and lowcase. Which means that it's unfit for the only purpose it can have.

Comic sans has awful fucking inconsistent kerning.

Comic sans is not authentic. Meaning, comic fonts emulate handwriting, comic sans doesn't look like handwriting at all. (it's drawn with a mouse).

Comic sans seems to be made entirely with a monowidth paintbrush.

Comic sans has asymmetrical illogical slants. p and q slant the opposite way.

Comic sans is sometimes serif but sometimes sans serif for no reason at all.

Comic Sans is designed for lower resolution screens.

Comic sans is not an open and free font, using it doesn't guarantee you compatibility at all.

Seriously! Look at this crap.

Some loops droop, some don't. Some uppercase letters are serif and lowercase are sans serif, or the opposite, or neither. Some strokes go over the line "Guys, this is a handwritten font, see??? Handwriting has imperfections so I intentionally added some planned imperfections", says Vincent. But he doesn't always do that, just, you know, not to make this too informal.

If I had two words to use to describe Comic Sans, they would be "Inconsistent circus!".

in fact it has a lot of upsides.

Name ten. Please don't mention the "it helps people with dyslexia" thing, it's a meme.

Now that I think about it, if anyone should be mocked, it's the people who hate on the font so much.

Or maybe who should be mocked is people who have no knowledge of typography yet for some reason they decide to fucking opine on it and dare imply that we are the ones who deserve mockery for possessing knowledge of our field of study. I really can't stand this attempt at a counter-circlejerk "There's nothing wrong with comic sans guys it's just a meme xDXDXD" No, we just don't feel like writing an entire wall of text. So we condense it. Comic sans is bad. Don't use it, okay?

[–]h0i.................QuazAndWally 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

I just wanted to say that I am genuinely fascinated by your passion for typography.

As uncultured swine, my untrained eyes don't see anything wrong with the font other than it being odd looking, but for you, and because of this

Comic sans is not an open and free font, using it doesn't guarantee you compatibility at all.

I'm going to avoid using it from now on. Except maybe in reference to Sans. I forgot where I was for a moment.

[–][muffled mettaton sounds in the distance]thefran 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am genuinely fascinated by your passion for typography.

Eh, it's a living.

As uncultured swine, my untrained eyes doesn't see anything wrong with the font other than it being odd looking

That's okay, that is why we are here.

Think of typography like cross-stitch or mosaic. Or even a jigsaw puzzle. We are the guys who throw a fit over several puzzle pieces having weird looking pips and dimps and people say "Who cares? It's so tiny and irrelevant" but then someone assembles the puzzle and it doesn't work together and people go "Wow, why did that happen?"

[–]h0i.................QuazAndWally 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know anything about these things either so I probably already do! I'll think of it like ui design, where there are real logical and purposeful reasons to design things a certain way, but to most people some interfaces just feel off or difficult to use for reasons unknown.

[–][muffled mettaton sounds in the distance]thefran 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed so, I do UX (typography is only a part of my interest regarding that), thinking of branching into ergonomics in general, and consistency is a huge thing. The end user will describe something as "off" or "awkward" or "clumsy" or "stiff" and we come with rulers and stopwatches to figure out why.

Inconsistent timing on stuff. Inconsistent reaction to analogous action.

[–]CaptnPenguin 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

wasn't expecting a more in depth look at typography here on undertale. tTough given the game's use of papyrus and sans, commonly frowned upon fonts, I should have known it'd come in time. I appreciated this breaking down on comic sans with more technical scrutiny as opposed to hating it because you're taught to hate it when learning typography. the amount of people in my classes that hate on comic sans but don't understand why it's a bad choice font wise is truly something. saving this comment for future reference

[–][muffled mettaton sounds in the distance]thefran 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think a lot of the hate is due to the tone it conveys. Childish, condescending, wildly misused. It would be weird to talk about Gothic outside of the historical and cultural context, right?

I can say, this is designed like crap because xyz, but xyz matter for a reason, the end user would say "This wall of text looks weird" because the keming is randomized.

[–]CaptnPenguin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

good point. and goodness yes, the kerning is a nightmare, the way the x and y almost touch but don't when next to each other and just...

[–]TheFlusteredcustard -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

1: Comic Sans is really nice
2: Comic sans is fun
3: Comic Sans doesn't ask me for 10 reasons why I like something
4: Comic Sans gave me a kidney that one time
5: Comic Sans looks like handwriting and you're a filthy liar
6: Comic Sans COMIC SANS
7: Yes
8: It's calming
9: It helps dyslexic people
10: because I said so

[–][muffled mettaton sounds in the distance]thefran 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still can't see why the Comic Sans font is hated so much.

In addition to my other comment, which goes in detail into why exactly Comic Sans is inherently badly designed, consider this:

Typography is about tone. There are connotations. Minor things influence major things. The letters being a little bit too close in width to one another doesn't seem like much, but then if you aren't careful your page goes into print full or large rivers, and rivers are glaringly obvious and look jarring. One letter being closer to another doesn't seem important, but then it turns FLICKING into FUCKING and that is why kerning is important.

Fonts don't exist in a vacuum either. Comic Sans conveys "hey i'm an idiot who wants to splash a lil' bit of informality on my design while not giving a fuck or exercizing a modiclum of effort".

[–]Crystal_Clods -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

No good reason.

The worst thing you can say is that it's overused because it's the go-to "fun" font. But it's also pretty much the most dyslexic-friendly font in wide circulation, which seems like it would be pretty important, right?

Except that, of course, typography snobs don't care about that because they'd rather make themselves feel smart and important than actually think about the ways fonts meet or don't meet people's needs.

[–][muffled mettaton sounds in the distance]thefran 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The worst thing you can say is that it's overused because it's the go-to "fun" font.

Or that it's designed like shit.

[–]"Oh god, that face!"robophile-ta 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except the posts directly above you clearly stated that not only is Comic Sans not designed for dyslexia but also is not the preferred nor 'most dyslexic-friendly font in wide circulation'. You're clearly just trying to show up the guy whose field is in typography, and trying to do so by citing urban myths and not doing any research won't help.

Here's the relevant portion from the study /u/thefran posted:

The fonts designed specifcally for dyslexia, OpenDys and OpenDys It., did not lead to a better or worse readability. As in [21], OpenDys did not lead to a faster reading. However, we did not performed a reading out loud test with words, which is what might improve with the use of specially designed fonts [21]. In addition, our participants significantly preferred Verdana or Helvetica for reading than OpenDys and OpenDys It.

Which clearly states that 'fonts designed for dyslexia' are not as preferred by dyslexics in the study group as with more common and wider-circulated fonts Verdana and Helvetica. Both of these are also touted by typographers and graphic designers as examples of excellent fonts.

and his(?) post here

Citation seriously fucking needed. There's a handful of terrible studies on the matter, some with a sample site of three, some with a sample site of "some people on facebook told us so", the methodology is always very poor.

By way of all science journalism, "maybe sometimes for some people in some texts comic sans actually fares a little bit better than average" turns into "comic sans is immune to dyslexia, which is a fact", which is a meme.

The best study on the matter - with a sample size of 48 - that I have found is here. Which fonts fare well? Helvetica... Arial... Verdana... Wow, it's almost like well-designed fonts are better to the eye. Comic sans did like shit. Hilariously, so did OpenDyslexic, aka a font specifically designed for the dyslexic.

although I didn't see any mention of Comic Sans in that particular study, as I don't believe it was one of those used.