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Points won vs. 'big 6' this season: Man Utd (18) Liverpool (12) Spurs (10) Arsenal (10) Chelsea (9) Man City (4) (twitter.com)

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[–]GroteBergMan98Ronnie Pickering 123ポイント124ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just shows that LVG is great attacking wise but bad attacking wise

[–]Kiddcohen39Ander Herrera 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obvious really.

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    [–]Nelfoos5Ferdinand 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You know, i think it may have been a joke.

    [–]Kiddcohen39Ander Herrera 221ポイント222ポイント  (27子コメント)

    I don't fucking understand this team, I just don't. We could've walked the league if we weren't so fucking clueless against the likes of Norwich and Bournemouth for fucks sake.

    [–]TWPDSneijder 120ポイント121ポイント  (15子コメント)

    In my opinion, it basically comes down to this;

    Under LVG's system, it is absolutely crucial that we have space going forward. Without space to run into in the forward half, our attack stagnates almost completely.

    This is due to the tactics we use (few attacking runs, low-risk passes) and the quality of attackers we have.

    When we play against teams that actually try to attack instead of 'parking the bus', our attack has some room to work with, and players like Martial & Rashford can exploit their pace and dribbling ability.

    [–]ToneDiezMemphis 34ポイント35ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Then I guess LVG should have come up with a separate tactic for the smaller clubs that park the bus. It's unbelievable being in the position we're in now and knowing how much we could be dominating the league right now if not for all those silly losses/draws. At the same time, everyone likes to highlight how poor United have been this season; yet they don't talk even half as much about the self-destruction of teams with more recent success and arguably better players like City and Chelsea. There's a reason Leicester is top, Tottenham 2nd, and West Ham in contention for a top-4 finish...the "big clubs" (United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal as usual) have all been blowing this season.

    [–]theronzzFellaini's #1 fan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He really should have had a Plan B vs teams that park the bus. A club like Barcelona or Bayern Munich doesn't have to bother because they have magical players who will unlock defences no matter if you park the bus vs them or not.

    We don't have such players, at best we have Mata who is good but not comparable to what the clubs above have.

    [–]TheBigWaterBottlePark Ji-Sung 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Some of the players already look clueless in our plan A though

    [–]Zxcvbnm123_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Our problem is when we go wide, we dont really create space. We crowd our own flank and thus we dont have a way to get the ball behind the opposition defence and our attacks can be easily smothered. And we dont have anyone in front of the opposition defence when we go wide. Due to these two reasons, we dont create chances

    [–]manc4life 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yaaaaassss

    [–]fishyshivers15Vidić 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You're right on point. This is why LVG was so successful in the World Cup, but you would think this tactic would work in cup/elimination games but so far it has not.

    [–]HedgeOfGlory 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There's only a tiny sample to work with though. And confidence plays a part as well - losing to bad teams makes you worse against good teams, no matter how effective your system might be

    [–]Danze1984Shaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We are clueless on attacking. We do well against big teams because they try to play and allow us space. We play with a small team mentality. Once a team turns up ad decides they'll leave 4 at the back we absolutely can't play. And that totally depends on the management. When Fergie was here, teams came and shut up shop, but we beat them 3 nil.

    [–]oriver2Jones 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Exactly this. And we are yet to be consistent with quick, fluid passing in order to break these teams down.

    [–]Shadowbanned24601Formerly /u/colmshan1990 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Simply put, we are a far better counter attacking team than we are a possession based team.

    [–]greatGoD67༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ give hugs (っ◕‿◕)っ 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Paging Jose Mourinho. The stage is set.

    [–]BBQ_HaX0rRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Maybe it has to do with the player's motivations?

    [–]harps86Carrick 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It's all down to tactics. We are the most predictable team to play against.

    [–]BBQ_HaX0rRooney 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If that were the case... then presumably the teams with better players and staffs would do better against us. These stats seem to indicate the opposite. Not that I'm disagreeing with your assessment, just highlighting that the opposite appears to be true.

    [–]googly__mooglySmalling 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Some teams set up to attack us and some set up to defend and counter. We usually lose or draw against the latter. It's why our record against the top 6 is good. They play to win which makes it easier for our static tactics.

    [–]thecricketnerdYoung 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There's also a lack of physicality and players who beat their man 1v1. Which is why Rashford has managed to come in and succeed, because he has a bit of both.

    [–]Fenbob 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    and lack of special players.

    [–]rogues69LvG[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We struggle against physical teams that play compact. That's one because of us not having dribblers or very creative passers who can unlock defenses two the players who do try this get physically bullied by opponents. That's why our fullback situation has hurt us. When teams go compact overlapping runs help widen play sadly injuries have set us back on that. Plus we are relying a lot on youth players and their lack of experience makes them inconsistent

    [–]Sabu113Nani 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We can't get one fricking good run this season. It's insane.

    [–]G_Morgan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We've been the same always under LVG. Our system depends upon exploiting the spaces other teams are leaving in their own attempt to win the game. It doesn't have any answer for teams that don't even try to win the game. In those types of games teams who play our way have basically depended upon outrageous quality up front to break the opposition down and we don't have it.

    What I don't understand is why we were so terrible in the CL. That should have been where this team performed well.

    [–]BertrandRusDave 51ポイント52ポイント  (7子コメント)

    stats like these really strengthen the argument that LVG has trouble playing against teams that like to sit back. City came out to play and they lost.

    [–]greatGoD67༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ give hugs (っ◕‿◕)っ 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Demichelles and Bony were also garbage tier.

    [–]summerincassiopeiaBlind 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Bony? Am I missing something, I thought he was alright when he came on?

    [–]poorly_timed_boromirScholesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    He was alright. City fans expect a lot from him though and he hasn't really done it for them. Something like 4 goals this season. My buddy thinks they should sell him but if played for us I'd give him more time.

    [–]summerincassiopeiaBlind 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think they're probably spoilt by Aguero. It looked like every time Bony got the ball it just stuck to him.

    [–]poorly_timed_boromirScholesy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have that feeling too. I think he would be welcomed into most teams. Aguero can create goals out nothing. Expecting Bony to do that might be a bit delusional

    [–]staluxaSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What, while Demi won us game, Bony was really good and did a lot.

    [–]greatGoD67༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ give hugs (っ◕‿◕)っ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He only had degea to beat in the middle of the box and still sent it 4 feet wide.

    [–]rogues69LvG[S] 42ポイント43ポイント  (1子コメント)

    More: Points won vs. the Premier League top 10 this season:

    Man Utd (26) West Ham (25) Leicester (23) Arsenal (21) Liverpool (19) Spurs (18)

    [–]xtfftcValencia 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is absurd.

    [–]Huge_Bob_Ross_Fan 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "The inner mechanisms of my mind are an enigma" - Louis Van Gaal

    [–]fjpeaceManchester United 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

    fucking hell man city have only 4 even Chelsea have managed more points and its their worst season in years

    [–]batti02De Gea 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    and three of those were from a dire, dire Chelsea side

    [–]downvotevalacoruna 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

    so basically we're great against teams who give us space to pass and run at them and shite against teams who close up shop and hit us on the counter/from set pieces.

    [–]LazyrelThe Gaffer 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Pretty much. This demonstrates that we are still lacking the 'magic' element to prize open staunch defensive outfits that refuse to leave their own half for 70% of the game.

    [–]DrilygRooney 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In form wingers like depay would give us this. Ofc, a Change in the tactical approach is needed

    [–]Dyloben 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Or we can stop playing this style that requires a couple of Messis to consistently unlock rigid defences every single match. If you're thinking, "oh we don't need Messi, we just need someone like Griezmann who can beat players." Here's the thing, we signed Martial, great dribbler but even he can't beat 3 defenders consistently every single match. The only way for LVG's style to work is if we sign a couple of Messis who can do it for 90 minutes every match. Which makes the philosophy pointless.

    [–]xtphty 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Steal points from City and Spurs, give them to Villa and Palace. Just watch. The philosophy is to become Robin Hood of the prem.

    [–]cheersdomMike Smalling 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    this is good news since we play three of them until the end of the season. cmon you reds!!

    [–]krhickJonny 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    We play only Spurs away. Already played 9 matches (W5, D3, L1).

    [–]TudoorsYoung 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    West Ham, Spurs, Leicester.

    [–]krhickJonny 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This thread is about "big 6" though, not "top 6" as they are currently in the table. See title.

    [–]DecentPerfctionist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Another comment shows we are the best against the top 10 aswell

    [–]TudoorsYoung 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My mistake.

    [–]reginaldukThere should be no conceit in victory and no despair in defeat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And then we lose to West Bromwich. Who then lose at home to Norwich ffs.

    [–]bobo2908Januzaj 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Makes me think that we are gonna win against Everton, Spurs, Leicester and West Ham, and challenge for top 4, just to crash out on GD after a loss at Norwich and 0-0 draws or 0-1 losses against Norwich, Bournemouth and Villa

    *Edit: on GD

    [–]gladiator91Rooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mindfuck

    [–]georgie_best 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    this highlights the fact that we should really have challenged for the title this year. :(

    [–]DangoManUtdMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Had we won against Norwich and that stupid New Castle game, we would have been ahead of Arsenal, and they are supposed to be having one of their best seasons.

    [–]ProgRddts 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Let Giggs be in charge of the smaller games and LVG for the top 6. problem solved

    [–]TastyBiscuitsTalling 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Maybe they're already doing that .../s

    [–]lecoqdezellwillerCantona 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Devolving the season into winning 36/36 points against the top 6 teams does not win you a championship. Taking a maximum of 78/78 against the bottom 13 does.

    [–]fakeplasticairbag 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

    It's stupid to consider to talk about 'big six' when Leicester are top of table and West Ham are 5th.

    What have Liverpool and Chelsea done to deserve being in this group when Leicester and West Ham are better sides?

    [–]ThatStiffyAceJones | The English Battle Tank 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Consistency in finishing above 7th.

    [–]fakeplasticairbag -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Liverpool finished 7th last season and 7th two years before that and they won't finish top 6 this year either.

    They are not a top 6 club

    Moreover how good a team was 3 years ago is irrelevant in judging how good we are vs top sides now.

    [–]ThatStiffyAceJones | The English Battle Tank 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I think you're taking this too seriously.

    The media is all about making a certain demographic feel shity.

    How big a fan base does 'Pool have compared to West Ham and Leicester? Moreover, who has more trophies between Chelsea and West Ham/Leicester?

    Therefore Liverpool and Chelsea being mentioned makes perfect sense (to the media).

    [–]fakeplasticairbag -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I don't care about media headlines, I care about seeing how were fairing vs top sides and vs bottom sides. Not how we fair in 2016 against clubs who were amazing in 1985

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      [–]fakeplasticairbag -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      That isn't right though, you'd need to redo all the figures

      [–]MrD3athRyan Fucking Giggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Likewise, the media doesn't care about you.

      [–]footballbloodyhellRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      consider chelsea and liverpool instead of Leicester and west ham this points is 24

      [–]labtecozaDeutscher Fußballmeister 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The traditional big teams

      [–]lecoqdezellwillerCantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Top 6 is decided at the start of the season (rivals are also considered in the top clubs as derbies like Manchester and Liverpool are traditional big games you aren't expected to win). Traditional rivals, city and Liverpool come first/second, Chelsea as champions third, Arsenal as top four contenders come in fourth and you pick two other teams from the top six for last season. Spurs, Everton or Soton from last season but this season Leicester has broken the mould and cemented top four already so some surgery to implant them in the top six was required after a month. You win 78/78 vs promoted teams and the rest of the bottom and then hope to win 36/36 against the top teams which you can realistically lose (the 78/78 are your supposed bankers. Lower teams plus more points to win and strengthen your league position. I've coined it the 36/78 paradigm or otherwise known as SAF's 36/78 strategy.

      [–]TweetPoster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      @Squawka:

      2016-03-20 17:56:25 UTC

      Points won vs. 'big 6' this season:

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      [–]jaanmek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How much Leicester have against "big 6"?

      [–]Crusty_Gammon_Flaps 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I don't get how we turn up against teams that should be harder to beat but the shit teams we should be beating easily we end up losing or drawing.

      [–]tushiexpSchweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Can we please just play big teams for the rest of the season?

      [–]batti02De Gea -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If my auntie had balls, she'd be my uncle, and if we didn't fuck up December, we'd be top of the league

      [–]manthrowaway25Cantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Just the one ball then? I think she'd at least need both to be considered Uncle material round here.

      [–]fergalsharky -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      My personal view is lvg doesn't do his homework against so called lower league opposition he just expects to turn up and win, it wasn't so bad at first but after nearly two seasons in charge he should have sorted this out by now.