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[–]DJjaffacake 40ポイント41ポイント  (27子コメント)

They were just as socialist as Stalin and Sanders

So not socialist then.

[–]slothscreamingatman -23ポイント-22ポイント  (26子コメント)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/11/19/bernie_sanders_defines_democratic_socialism_it_s_not_all_that_socialist.html

Sanders literally calls himself a socialist, you fucking retard.

[–]Windows_Update 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

And North Korea calls itself democratic. Your point?

Speaking as an actual socialist, Sanders is not a socialist.

[–]notaflatlander 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, if you say he's a fucking retard you must be right.

[–]escalat0r 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's calling himself that because Drumpf and the other Republicans would call him a Socialist anyways, so best get that target out of the way.

[–]SayingStuffOnReddit 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's actually a very good point I've never considered. Kinda hard to use it as an attack when you literally call yourself one, even if he isn't necessarily a socialist. That's pretty funny.

[–]escalat0r 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's taking the power of the negative connotation of "socialist" away from his opponents, it's a pretty solid tactic that can be applied elsewhere, like adressing an obvious weakness and explaining why it isn't a problem, regardsless if you do it in politics or in a job interview.

[–]SpookyStirnerite 8ポイント9ポイント  (19子コメント)

I saw a 5 year old say that he was an airplane once.

[–]slothscreamingatman -3ポイント-2ポイント  (18子コメント)

Yes, because clearly this adult politician who is a united states senator doesn't know what he's talking about and has the same mental understanding of a 5 year old.

[–]SpookyStirnerite 6ポイント7ポイント  (17子コメント)

No, but he is being intentionally misleading. Sanders knows what socialism is and he knows that what he has advocated for is not socialism.

[–]slothscreamingatman -3ポイント-2ポイント  (16子コメント)

So he's a dishonest politician?

Also, explain why someone would claim to be a socialist when they're not, seems like a surefire way to not win a second term. If anything, Socialism is still a taboo word.

[–]SpookyStirnerite 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

So he's a dishonest politician?

Yes. It's obvious that Sanders understand socialism and knows that socialism means worker control of the means of production based on his history, but he's too afraid to actually advocate for proletarian revolution because that would be political suicide.

Also, explain why someone would claim to be a socialist when they're not, seems like a surefire way to not win a second term. If anything, Socialism is still a taboo word.

It's worked for him pretty well so far. Would he have ever been able to challenge Hillary Clinton if he had just been another moderate old white dude nobody has heard of?

[–]Sergeant_StaticInvoluntary American 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at his platform; it's just capitalism with higher taxes and a stronger welfare state. No structural changes to the economy are made. No part of it involves social owernship of the means of production (the definition of socialism); the economy is still based in private ownership of production for profit. Granted, I'll take Sanders-capitalism over Clinton-capitalism or Trump-capitalism any day, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still capitalism.

The reason he calls himself a socialist today is because, once upon a time, he really was a socialist who advocated for actual socialist policies. However, he knew that if he kept doing that, he'd never get far in American politics, so he was forced to compromise a number of his beliefs, mainly the ones regarding socialism. The reason he still calls himself a socialist is because he knows if he tried to deny it, his opponents would just hit him with a bunch of revamped Red Scare propaganda, so he's chosen to beat them to the bunch by wearing the socialist label as a badge and claiming it doesn't mean the same thing that it used to, i.e. that he isn't actually a socialist.