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《“人权卫士”的人权纪录》 央视制作 (2015) - Documentary from Chinese state owned media makes the U.S. look like the worst place on Earth. (Eng Subs) (youtube.com)

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[–]Oldschool1964 -18ポイント-17ポイント  (45子コメント)

ITT: Redditers from around the world hating on the US, and that includes many from the US. This could have been shown with English titles at the DNC and would receive the same reaction.

It's sad that people around the world don't see the positives of the US, and the propaganda doesn't have to come from China. We have our own internal propaganda machines that keep the negative spotlight shining on our country.

Any mention of the military mission in Japan after a devastating tsunami, or delivering food to Haitians, to Indonesia, etc? The US economy helps countries all over the world improve their conditions for their people, through direct foreign aid as well as trade. We are one of the few nations that still have religious groups and non-profits travel to other countries to assist the poor and build infrastructure.

America has its faults. Nobody can deny it. But when it comes to the positives of this country, they FAR outweigh the negatives. It saddens me that post after post I see people focusing on the negatives instead of appreciating how great of a nation we have, and it affects me even worse that it is my fellow Americans doing the most hate.

If you can't find the positives around you, then maybe you can find another country devoid of negatives to live in. One thing about America that sets us apart from some Asian countries is our freedom to renounce citizenship and to travel freely to any country that will have you.

[–]b4dkarma 16ポイント17ポイント  (13子コメント)

The US economy helps countries all over the world improve their conditions for their people, through direct foreign aid as well as trade.

Those "foreign aid" are not free. Most of them are loans, even the grants come with strings attached. Most common is that the aid must be spend on products or services made/provided by American companies.

Trade is a two way street. American companies trading with their foreign counterparts benefit from the trade as much.

We are one of the few nations that still have religious groups and non-profits travel to other countries to assist the poor and build infrastructure.

Sorry, many countries also send religious missionaries abroad.

But when it comes to the positives of this country, they FAR outweigh the negatives.

Maybe the benefits to American citizens far outweigh the negatives. But it is debatable that the impact of American foreign policy on huge parts of the world is positive as a whole.

One thing about America that sets us apart from some Asian countries is our freedom to renounce citizenship and to travel freely to any country that will have you.

Apart from N. Korea, all Asian countries allow their citizens to renounce their citizenship and travel freely to other countries.

[–]nybbleth 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

Of course the United States does a lot of good. People are upset because it isn't really doing enough good relative to its ability to do so. For instance, the EU spends almost three times as much on foreign aid as the US does. It looks even worse when you compare the US to various individual countries and look at the percentage of their GDP going to foreign aid. Even when including private donations, the US isn't anywhere near the top.

[–]Oldschool1964 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (11子コメント)

US #1 in development aid - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governments_by_development_aid

World giving index - US consistently a top performer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Giving_Index

We can always say "we can do more", but you also have to look at what we accomplished, and the US does pretty well compared to the rest of the world.

[–]GrahamSmitWellington 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is the highest donor in absolute terms (for a single country) - as it is the richest country in the world. But if you look at it in terms of percentage of GNP the US looks far less generous, coming in at 21st place, giving only 0.19% of it's GNP.

[–]nybbleth 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

US #1 in development aid

You're conveniently forgetting the fact the EU vastly outspends the US in that list.

"But the EU isn't a country! We're still the best country!"

Well, only when looking at the absolute numbers; which is a meaningless comparison between different countries. When you look at that same page, you can also see the numbers for government aid given as a percentage of GNP. The United States manages a paltry 0.19%; ranking it 20th in the world. Meanwhile, the top 3 all manage at least 1%. And everyone in the top 10 spends at least more than twice as much as the US relative to their GNP.

World giving index - US consistently a top performer

Which is pretty meaningless since it's entirely based on self-reporting and doesn't provide any sort of objective accounting of how much was actually "given". Someone who gives a single dollar to charity counts just as much in that index as someone who gives a thousand dollars and just as much as someone who never gave anything but says they did. Not to mention the fact that this index makes no distinction between someone giving to a charity that exclusively operates in the US and one that helps internationally.

If you need another reason to understand why that index is irrelevant to the discussion, consider the fact that Myanmar is in first place. Obviously a country that's a net recipient of foreign aid isn't going to be more charitable in terms of giving foreign than the US; and obviously any list in which Myanmar ranks higher than the US should therefore not be used to argue that the US is particularly giving in terms of foreign aid.

[–]Oldschool1964 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Whether the US is 1 or 21, it doesn't matter to me. We're charitable, that's what matters - we don't have to be #1. When the world calls, when a tsunami hits the coastline of a country, how many EU carrier groups are the first responders? When 2 world wars broke out on the European continent, the wars were decided once the US assisted. We receive most of the blame and almost none of the credit for helping the world, but we do so because we know it's the right thing to do. But this charity has turned into a negative against us because the world thinks we should always do more. If we were to do more, the world would think we're arrogant, domineering, nation building, etc. The US can't win with this mindset, so I'm not sure why you should demand we continue to do more. Maybe the rest of the world should do more to help themselves first so the US doesn't have to do more.

Apparently pointing out the fact that the US is a charitable nation is reason enough for unleashing verbal attacks. This only breeds animosity around the world, but when other countries need assistance, the US will be the first ones to lend a hand, and rarely is that not welcome.

[–]nybbleth 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Whether the US is 1 or 21, it doesn't matter to me. We're charitable, that's what matters - we don't have to be #1.

Oh boy, are you ever missing the point. You were upset that people don't sing your country's praises as much as you want them to, and then point out to various good things your country does. I then proceeded to point out to you that, actually, people are upset that you aren't doing as much as you could be doing, and that other countries do a lot more than yours relative to their ability to do so. You then proceed to get upset and point out that you're number one. Then when I point out that, 'no, actually you're not, and here's why', you pretend you somehow don't care that you're not number one, and that you're charitable and that's enough... even though the whole point of this exchange was that no, you're not charitable enough, you just think you are.

When the world calls, when a tsunami hits the coastline of a country, how many EU carrier groups are the first responders?

Ah yes. Because as everyone knows, the only way to fight the devastation caused by natural disasters is through the use of warships. Incidentally, which government force was the first on scene in parts of Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina? Oh right, that wasn't an American one, but the Dutch navy. Oops.

When 2 world wars broke out on the European continent

Let me stop you right there... when you're complaining that the world doesn' sing America's praises enough, you REALLY shouldn't bring out the world wars. First, the US took its sweet time getting involved in either of those conflicts (Not to mention that WW1 was effectively already decided by the time the US got involved). Secondly, people are sick and tired of Americans both overestimating their impact (the allies would've won in both wars regardless) and parading it about as if we have to bow down in worship of the US for the rest of eternity and can never criticize you.

We receive most of the blame and almost none of the credit for helping the world, but we do so because we know it's the right thing to do.

If you're talking about WW2; I'm pretty sure Germany receives most of the blame. And you didn't help because you thought it was the right thing to do but because you didn't have a choice. If you thought it was the right thing to do, you would've joined the war right at the start instead of waiting a couple of years before you got attacked.

But this charity has turned into a negative against us because the world thinks we should always do more.

That's because you should. Again, relative to your means, you do not do nearly enough compared to many other countries. What does the world see? It sees that you could easily do what those other countries do, but that instead you choose to spend absurd amounts of money on guns and missiles, which then get used at an alarming rate on countries which subsequently need foreign aid.

It really shouldn't be a surprise that people are critical of the US.

If we were to do more, the world would think we're arrogant, domineering, nation building, etc. The US can't win with this mindset, so I'm not sure why you should demand we continue to do more

That depends entirely on how you go about it. Norway gives 5.6 times as much relative to its economy as the US does. Have you ever heard anyone not living in the age of Vikings describe Norway as anything other than pretty chill? If people will think you're arrogant, domineering, and all those other things, it won't be because you raise your foreign aid budget 5 times. It'd be because you keep spying on the world and throwing bombs around.

Besides that... do you not see the immense hypocrisy in first claiming you help the world despite not getting any credit because 'you know it's the right thing to do'... and then almost immediately proceed to complain that you shouldn't help more than you already are because you "wouldn't win"? I thought you were in it because it's the right fucking thing to do, not because you want to win the prize for bestest country?

[–]Oldschool1964 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

What country are you from?

[–]nybbleth 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

One more charitable than yours.

[–]Oldschool1964 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Then name it. And also, post proof of your own personal giving amount, because a nation is made of individuals that contribute to the whole.

I'll wait for proof.

[–]nybbleth 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you can't even figure out what country I'm from; an accomplishment that should be pretty damn trivial; I don't see what I could possibly gain by giving you any information as I doubt you'd even know what to do with said information.

Also, the fact that your response to "America could do more relative to its means the way other countries do" is to literally demand I post proof of how much I personally give to charity is as laughably absurd as it is terrifying for the things it implies about the education you received.

What's next? Demanding that doctors who tell you too much sugar is bad for you provide proof they never put more than one spoon's worth in their tea?

Only people who can prove exactly how much sugar they consume can talk about the health dangers of overconsumption! And only people who can show me their bank statements in combination with properly formatted receipts from the people they gave money to can criticize my country for not giving enough money to foreign aid!

[–]highhard_one 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Renouncing citizenship is a universal human right granted by the UN, it's not a special gift of the US government to it's exceptional people, even those backward Asians (even those communist Chinese!) can do it! What propaganda taught you this was an American thing?

[–]Oldschool1964 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes, and all those North Korean defectors are proof that the UN's rules are really what matter to these sovereign nations. China doesn't have any UN human rights problems either, does it? Actually, you and I talking about the Chinese government probably won't matter to any Chinese citizens living in China because the state-run internet censorship machines have already filtered it off the internet.

[–]highhard_one 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

You would have had a much better argument if you didn't have the last sentence, "One thing about America that sets us apart from some Asian countries is our freedom to renounce citizenship"

By not knowing that the rest of the world have this basic human right you play into the idea that Americans think they are much more special than everyone else even though they are the same thing. It also lends to the idea that Americans are ignorant about anything outside of America.

Do you really believe what sets apart America from Asian countries is that they have the freedom to renounce their citizenship? Like where did you pull that idea from?

[–]GaoFooShwai 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't have to be a Negative Nelly all the time, but acknowledging problems is the first step towards solving them. As they say, it's better to be saved by criticism than be killed by praise. I would say the greatest patriots are those who think about how the world around them could be improved.

[–]Orchid-Chaos_is_me 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, I think you are in the wrong thread. The US is great shit, no doubt. But we have failures, and this thread happens to be about them.

Every nation and leader has its good and bad, but when people start talking about the bad in America, there is always someone defending how great it is and telling people to move to a new country if they don't like it. For real, what is the point? Anyone who talks about police brutality, a military industrial complex, and an oligarchy must leave?

[–]Eddyaknow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is safe to say that the world wouldn't be where it's at if it wasn't for the US (for better or worse), so I see your point that demonizing the US is wrong but that is the direct response to the attitude of the US as the self proclaimed leader of the whole world and upholder of justice and morals.

I mean this simple statement: "But when it comes to the positives of this country, they FAR outweigh the negatives"

Alone is ridiculous on so many levels, the "positives" for who exactly? You mean the Indians, who got slaughtered? The Africans that got enslaved, the vietnamese that got slaughtered? Then you may say, "well that is just in the past" well what about the drone strikes on civilians, the funding of radical groups that then in turn terrorize the locals? The destabilization of the middle east? The many many wars america was engaged in for profit? The many leaders that got removed in the name of "democracy".

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[–]JoshuMertens 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[–]solzhe 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

freedom to renounce citizenship

FYI renouncing US citizenship costs a few thousand dollars

[–]Quinthy -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

The American people, especially towards the middle of the country, are some of the nicest most self-sacrificing people in the world. As I'm sure most countries people are.

[–]nybbleth 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

...are some of the nicest most self-sacrificing people in the world. As I'm sure most countries people are.

So... the majority of the people in the world are some of the nicest and most self-sacrificing people in the world?

How does that work?

[–]Quinthy -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a large group. ;)

[–]nybbleth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's... not how the English language works.