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/u/BeardedDragonFire argues that sex with children should be 'part of the liberty movement.' I can't even right now. Children cannot give informed consent. Child sex will never be part of a liberty movement which is primarily concerned with consent. (reddit.com)

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[–]TheSlicemanCometh -1ポイント0ポイント  (38子コメント)

Age of consent at 18 is wrong.

Age of consent at 8 is wrong.

In a free market, I would personally put my money toward the system that has the age of consent around 13, 14, or 15.

I go as low as 13 because when I was 16/17 there was a really hot girl on my nuts who was doing everything in her power to fuck me and I totally would have in the absence of the state.

Some girls bodies mature faster than others. Sorry if that offends you.

[–]FreddyBananas 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

How much of a loser were you in high school that you were hanging out with a 7th grader trying to fuck her?

[–]TheSlicemanCometh -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

She would stalk me at work you fuckin nobhead.

[–]FreddyBananas 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

And how much of a loser were you that you didn't tell her to fuck off?

[–]TheSlicemanCometh -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

And how much of a loser were you that you didn't tell her to fuck off?

Uh, the kind of loser that has girls of a variety of post-pubescent ages stalking him in an attept to have sex?

I dont know how working a job at a young age and being popular with the ladies would correlate with one being a loser. I think you are doing some projection here buddy.

I did tell her that I wasnt interested, if thats what you mean. Why are you making all these assuptions? Triggered much?

Some girls bodies mature faster than others. Sorry if that offends you.

[–]FreddyBananas 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I didn't assume anything. You're the one fantasizing about a little girl lmao

[–]TheSlicemanCometh -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]Anenome5Anarcho-Individualist 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

In a free market, I would personally put my money toward the system that has the age of consent around 13, 14, or 15.

So your theory is that, in a free society, parents would prefer an age of consent between 13-15. I seriously doubt that.

[–]TheSlicemanCometh 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sure, they might choose older initially, but it would only take 1 generation of 15yo boys getting locked up or put on sexual registrys before those boys peers got into positions of economic power and changed that bullshit up by choosing other communities.

Or initialy the parents of girls would choose age of consent to be 20yo and the parents of boys would choose the age of consent to be 10yo and the market would find an equalibrium at 14ish.

Or they might all prefer age of consent to be 20 but value their money more than the extra cost of prosecuting sexually active 17yo's.

The real answer is that a free market would have both and the one that is more prosperious would be adopted to the other. I suspect that one would be the one where people who want to have consentual sex can have consentual sex and that legislating morality has a history of catostrophic failure.

Your lack of imagination is troubling.

[–]Anenome5Anarcho-Individualist 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sure, they might choose older initially, but it would only take 1 generation of 15yo boys getting locked up or put on sexual registrys before those boys peers got into positions of economic power and changed that bullshit up by choosing other communities.

No, they would be far more likely to adopt a compatible age-range than to lower the sex-age entirely. Some states/places accept an exception to the 18 rule if the kids are within say 2 years of each other. That to me seems faaar more reasonable and rational than lowering the age of consent to something ridiculous and awful like 13. No one wants 40 years old dating 13 years.

Or initialy the parents of girls would choose age of consent to be 20yo and the parents of boys would choose the age of consent to be 10yo and the market would find an equalibrium at 14ish.

No.

The real answer is that a free market would have both and the one that is more prosperious would be adopted to the other. I suspect that one would be the one where people who want to have consentual sex can have consentual sex and that legislating morality has a history of catostrophic failure.

It's not legislating morality, it's far more practical than that. Sex carries serious consequences, just as the ability to make contracts does, which is why we protect the young against contracting at a too early age.

The same logic works with children. A stupid decision and you have a kid for life, or some horrible disease, even life-threatening diseases. Few spheres of life carry such dramatic consequences.

[–]TheSlicemanCometh 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, they would be far more likely to adopt a compatible age-range than to lower the sex-age entirely.

Okay so lower it with exeptions but lower it none-the-less. Okay, thats fine.

ridiculous and awful like 13.

Only ridiculous and awful to a puritan. In reality, most 13yo are sexually active to varying degrees, I assume often with boys more than 2 years older.

Ridiculous and awful are only adjectives used by followers of the abrahamic religions to describe sexuality and I dont imagine AnCapistan will ever exist before humans first evolve past the mysticism of the desert religions. Luckily that trendy has already started.

You may be unaware of this, but 13yos get married ALL. OVER. THE. WORLD. Yes, even in the US in certain circumstances like LDS.

No.

Sorry, not an argument.

It's not legislating morality, it's far more practical than that. Sex carries serious consequences, just as the ability to make contracts does, which is why we protect the young against contracting at a too early age. The same logic works with children. A stupid decision and you have a kid for life, or some horrible disease, even life-threatening diseases. Few spheres of life carry such dramatic consequences.

Yes, unsafe sex can create horrible outcomes, which is why we must not force it into the black market with draconian legislation, where it becomes exponentially more dangerous.

Wow Anenome, I havent seen you take Ls like this in a while. I thought you had a decent grasp on econ.

[–]Anenome5Anarcho-Individualist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Okay so lower it with exeptions but lower it none-the-less. Okay, thats fine.

Not necessarily, as I said my own favored rubric would likely result in an age of consent somewhere around 22, after kids leave college and are earning an income on their own, paying for their own expenses.

ridiculous and awful like 13.

Only ridiculous and awful to a puritan.

No, ridiculous and awful to anyone who knows that a 13 year old isn't mature enough to make life-affecting decisions. Jesus Christ, how are you this naive. You actually want to cast opposition to this as a function of prudeishness-it have nothing to fuck to do with it and everything to do with the reasonable mental and emotional maturity if 13 years olds, which is low compared to adult standards, which is why 13 year olds can't give informed consent.

In reality, most 13yo are sexually active to varying degrees, I assume often with boys more than 2 years older.

Even if so, it's a bad decision and leads to a lot of consequences and ruined lives.

I don't want anyone selling heroin to a 13 year old for similar reasons.

Nor do I want 13 year olds to have credit cards.

[–]TheSlicemanCometh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not necessarily, as I said my own favored rubric would likely result in an age of consent somewhere around 22

You are living in a fiction. The cost of criminalizing all pre-22yo sex would be beyond prohibitive in a free market. Wow.

Jesus Christ, how are you this naive.

Read first two sentences in this post to see who the naive one is here.

You actually want to cast opposition to this as a function of prudeishness-it have nothing to fuck to do with it and everything to do with the reasonable mental and emotional maturity if 13 years olds, which is low compared to adult standards, which is why 13 year olds can't give informed consent.

I think the average as in the US of girls first sex is 14yo. They do this not because of anything do with with a law. They do it because they want to and its natural, and nothing will change that.

Your intention to criminalize half the population (if not more) is almost as ridiculous as /u/cabminerjuket's proposition to forcefully export all weed smokers and homosexuals to the arctic.

13yos absolutely can give informed consent and they do all the time, just not in the eyes of the state who's regulations on the issue you seem to be so adoring of.

Even if so, it's a bad decision and leads to a lot of consequences and ruined lives.

Cite the catholic church (catholic girls; sluts, and priests; pedos) to see how the unintended consequences of regulating sexuality drastically outweigh any possiblity of negative consequences from consentual sex at a young age. Pretty much your entire argument can just be replaced with drugs and you are 100% in favor of criminalizing drugs. All your arguments have been identicle.

I don't want anyone selling heroin to a 13 year old for similar reasons. Nor do I want 13 year olds to have credit cards.

With the strong family unit provided by the absence of the state along with the market solutions to dealing with negative consequences of legality, 13yos would be very unlikely to have unsafe sex, use unsafe drugs, or be offered a line of credit.

[–]BeardedDragonFireRawr 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why I refuse to work in a middle school. I am of athletic build, attractive, and I have heard the health teacher in the middle school gets harassed by the female students (he too is attractive and athletic). I really don't need that, people are quick to throw accusations these days, regardless of if you do nothing.

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[–]TheGreatRohLibertarian Transhumanist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

1/2 age +7 for those 12-17 and 18+ anything goes.