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[–]psteves10 41ポイント42ポイント  (25子コメント)

I fundamentally do not understand "white privilege." So is someone fresh off the boat from Ireland privileged? Even though his/her ancestors were subjugated by the English and he/she have absolutely no connection to the US?

[–]free-minded 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

Apparently all of us are privileged due to the history of slavery, even though less than 5% of the white population today descends from anyone who owned slaves. Funny part is, my ancestry is actually partially traced to original Irish Slave workers here. I am so fucking privileged.

No, you're feeling confused and as if you don't get it because I'm sure you feel that these people must know something you don't, and want to give the benefit of doubt. It's modern day racism disguised as academic thought, not unlike racist whites in bygone eras who thought black people were too genetically inferior to learn to read, if only slightly more... Polite about it.

[–]Spartanlegion117 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone whose a descendant of a slave owner let me just say that its not like I got it easy. Sherman did his part to fuck over those family members and the idiot sons did the rest.

[–]liatrisBourgeoisophile 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The user ServetusM made an excellent post on this topic....

"The whole concept of 'white privilege' is the exact type of ideological taxonomy Mao used to vilify people (Except he tended to use social status over ethnicity, but when you hear people discuss what 'whiteness' is, you realize that it's often used the same way in America). In fact, many of the terms Mao used for counter-revolutionaries roughly translate into the English concept 'privilege' or various forms or another. It is a kind of labeling system seen broadly in witch hunter scenarios, a flexible label that can single handily reduce someone's position in another person's eyes and reduce any arguments they make to being simply propaganda from people looking to protect their 'privilege' (Or ideology).

It's a very Kafka esque branding technique, if you are privileged and argue you aren't, it's only because you're afraid of admitting and losing it. Like if a Bourgeois in the cultural revolution argued against the methods, it's because he wants to keep his unjust wealth, or if he argued he wasn't a Bourgeois, it only proved he was because he was arguing against the revolutionaries! (And only a Bourgeois would do that). Or if a Communist in the U.S. argued during the McCarthy era, it's because he wanted to protect his subversive friends, and if he said he wasn't a Communist and was arguing because it was the right thing to do, it meant he obviously was a Communist because who else would argue with the very American Anti-American activities committee! It's a very old method to quickly side step rational critique by labeling the person, and having the label be set up so arguing against it proves it.

The whole recent PC movement has very troubling similarities with the cultural revolution; or at least the rhetoric which began it. Easy hatred for those perceived to be in power (Even if most of them aren't, they simply share a trait with those that are--like professors and political/business leaders both being educated, so obviously both are part of the same evil ruling class), a large label for those who seem to benefit from power (Even if most do not) and most of all (By far the most important) a scape goat for demagogues to blame difficult issues on. Something easy for the common person to digest, something easy to identify with and make out. (Really important when you're controlling a mob--you don't want to give the other person a chance to be a human, having a label that is quick to dispense and easy to ID makes it far easier for the mob to prevent the target from speaking.)

The point being that things like the cultural revolution rely on the market place of ideas being closed. "White privilege" is a concept Mao himself would have enjoyed a great deal, because it quickly distills a complex set of social issues down to 'this group is bad, don't discuss things with them' (Even if the rhetoric around it says people shouldn't feel bad about their privilege--the way it's used in conversation is almost always meant to disrupt and shut down the conversation, or make the observations of those with privileged less poignant, less empathetic). This is the problem with broad labels--in reality, some people were just bad, or willfully mislead others, 'white privilege' had nothing to do with it, it was based purely on ideological sympathies overruling empirical reality, which happens for every ideology; from Catholicism to Communism to Fascism (But this is another troubling similarity with the modern PC movement, that feelings towards things>>empirical evidence, which is a tactic Mao also liked to use, because it made it even easier to facilitate the above, where people can brush aside the empirical reality in order to defend their ideology, because it 'feels' right. And making people 'feel' good with righteous indignation is very easy, and a great way to manipulate a mob.)"

[–]Racheakt 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

The idea is that "white" is not subjected to the negative stereotypes/prejudices and has an inherent "privilege" not enjoyed by other races.

[–]psteves10 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Really? It was St Patrick's day yesterday and I saw a lot of stereotypes. Many of them negative and had to do with leprechauns and being drunk.

[–]Racheakt 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol, true.

And I suspect they have never lived in a poor Appalachia coal mining town or dealt with the stigma of living in a trailer park in the south.

[–]WIlf_Brim 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The phrase "white trash meth head" it pretty common around where I live.

[–]AdwokatDiabel -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

More like: whites get the benefit of the doubt whereas blacks/racial minorities don't.

[–]capitallaw2005 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

These dumbfucks should visit Appalachia. White privilege means shit there.

[–]AdwokatDiabel -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because everyone there is mostly white, right?

[–]VirginWizard69Revanchist Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aids Skrillex says yes.

[–]say_or_do 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What about a Jewish person?

[–]andywarno 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

In my attempts to understand the concept from speaking with friends who believe in it, I have gleaned that it has to do with "institutionalism".

Because the white people are/have been the "institution", all constructs of government and of society are preprogrammed to favor the institution. So through no fault of their own, white people are shown favor in the subtlest of ways in everyday life, and sometimes in not-so subtle ways.

So to your question, yes, somebody from Ireland, fresh off the boat, would have white privilege. Regardless of the subjugation of the Irish from the English or their relationship to the United States.

[–]psteves10 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

So if a white male is standing on the US boarder and takes one step over into Mexico or Canada, he is no longer privileged?

[–]andywarno 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I haven't really given it critical thought. However, just thinking quickly on it, I think that in Mexico he would not be privileged, but in Canada he would be. Although, I think Canada could go both ways because they have different institutions??

[–]psteves10 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can we also clarify "institutions." According the the laws of the US: everyone is equal. You can't discriminate based on race, religion, sex, orientation, etc. The institution is purposefully unbiased. The bias could come at an individual level but certainly not on the institutional one.

[–]andywarno 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Institution in this context isn't the law, or public agency. It means socio-economic structures that have been naturally and organically developed over time since our Country's establishment.

I agree that it's a silly notion and all it does is promote racial tension where there otherwise would be little or none. However, I'm doing my damnedest to understand it.

I think it has a lot to do with the way Dr. King defined racism (as power plus discrimination). I've seen that cited a lot in discussions about white privilege.

[–]psteves10 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

But Dr King's words were spoken in the context of a segregated America. Those institutions don't exist anymore.

[–]andywarno 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try telling that to those that believe in social justice

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"White privilege" is a concept invented by anti-white racists to excuse their racism. That is all.

[–]JexInfiniteCruz Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

White privilege is a Maoist term which is just made up. It doesn't mean anything. It's a way for the left to get people to suppress themselves and their own behavior.

[–]themanbat -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Basically, they believe that because slavery existed in the past, white people today, regardless of their ancestry, have benefitted from it, and as slavery was unjust, these benefits are also unjust.

Of course Black Americans today have benefitted quite a bit from their own ancestors' enslavement as well. As much as slavery built the nation and economy, they now too get to operate in this nation and make transactions in that economy. They also have the luxury of being born American citizens and not in Sub Saharan Africa. And let's not forget that free blacks were more likely to own slaves than free whites in slave states, so some of that wealth must have been passed down to someone. If there are benefits to be reaped from past slavery today, blacks and whites both benefitted.

Clearly the only thing to do is check our privilege, liquidate the entire nation, donate the proceeds to Africa, and start over from scratch.

[–]AdwokatDiabel 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it has more to do with the legacy of slavery in modern times. The easiest way to describe it is: white people get the benefit of the doubt in all aspects of life.

Blacks and other minorities do not and always have to overcome that doubt.

I mean, even though slavery ended in 1865, there was a struggle to overcome Jim Crow, segregation, redlining, police profiling, etc. So the effects are still being felt despite it all happening over a hundred years ago.

[–]yebsayoke 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is the payback of liberal, white guilt.

[–]optionhome 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's exactly what it is. Liberals because of their insane policies haven't helped non whites. Their policies actually further enslave them into poverty. So the liberal being devoid of logic disregards all their policies that fail and moves the game to "well it's because whites have some inherent advantage over minorities."

It's both scary and sad that minorities in this country don't rise up and finally release themselves from the chains of liberal oppression. How do they support people who insist that they are just too stupid to compete in a capitalist society.

[–]MrLeeman123 24ポイント25ポイント  (9子コメント)

This was posted a few days ago and turned out to be fake. It's one of those debate classes where the two sides are predetermined, meaning the kids don't actually believe what they are arguing.

[–]andywarno 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This really should be the top comment.

[–]haterdeflater 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Seems obvious tongue and cheek debate class stuff.

[–]GaiusOrangeJulius 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yet, if a similar "tongue and cheek debate class" argued "Black life is wrong" and supported blacks committing suicide to combat their lifestyles the reaction would be much different. The point is the double standard.

[–]haterdeflater 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not really, I was a professor and that kind of stuff happened all the time. I have seen white kids and black alike defend slavery and all sorts of nutty shit. Learning to debate means defending positions that are untenable.

[–]IIRC 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

# LeftWingRacism

[–]rektum_expander 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where the hell are these kids learning this from? Where are they getting these ideas?!

[–]zaiguy 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

These people need a spanking.

[–]Mob_Justice 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

With a fist.

[–]jackbauersConservative Independent 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was drawn on a paddle

[–]tehForce 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a cracker myself, I see where they're coming from. All this privilege.

Seriously. Whitie is the scurge. While I'm on it. My privilege to at times work two jobs totalling 60-80 hours so that I can get ahead is just ridiculous. Nobody should have that much privilege... Ever!

[–]VirginWizard69Revanchist Conservative 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, son.

Your privilege is to work two jobs so that others can be welfare queens. You owe it to society. You need to pay society back for the good fortune of being born white.

Liberals are going to introduce a white-tax. If you are white, you pay more on everything.

Of course whites already pay a white-tax: it is called keeping a job.

[–]free-minded 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The left claims we conservatives are facists, and that Hitler was right wing, while simultaneously inciting political riots and calmly discussing the death of today's non preferred race.

[–]mcotoole 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Those who blame others for their own perceived misfortune, is a sign of someone with a entitlement mentality.

These students need to start developing a sense of gratefulness for the fact that they live in the best country on earth.

[–]knowses -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So true. They should be grateful that their ancestors made a sacrifice which allowed them citizenship in the land of opportunity. Instead their minds have been fill with liberal bile that only serves to empower political chessplayers.

[–]BWarminiusNY 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What this means is that black people cannot compete with white people unless the whites are dead. Then the playing field is somewhat equal with whites only having a slight advantage.

[–]goldenanvils 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So maybe we should just take back the civil war then? You know, the one where over 300,000 whites lost their lives to secure freedom for slaves. If a Great War isn't enough. If freedom to pursue your dreams isn't enough. If pursuit of personal happiness isn't enough. What is?

[–]jackets62Live Free or Die 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad I'm no longer in school and have to be subjected to this crap. I remember doing a mock debate. I had to argue the "pro" position of keeping the Confederate flag around. In my Civics class. With my black teacher.

(Side note: she loved me. She hated the students who were lazy & had crappy positions, aka liberals)

[–]jdw101 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So I guess it's time we stick our privileged boot up their fucking asses then? I'll sign up to be the first one to exercise that privilege.

[–]RadixxidaR 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please stop posting this video. I've seen three so far. It's not a real debate.

[–]AmericanForTrump 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

These kids should be thrown out of school. They do not respect their fellow classmates right to breath.

[–]orangebloodGoldwater Conservative 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's debate prep. They're arguing a defenseless position.

[–]UmbrellaResearchCorpSupporter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The is the end result of allowing Tumblr to exist and not beating the shit out of people who say stuff like this. Society is at fault for allowing this kind of shit to fester and grow.

[–]puddboy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've stopped believing that 'white guilt' exists anymore. Guilt by definition is the feeling of responsibility for having committed an offense. Millennials don't believe they themselves committed any offense, only that other (an older) white people have. These idiots derive selfish pleasure from believing they are standing up for an oppressed group. It's pure narcissism, and they should be politely told to fuck off. There are dozens of articles each week about groups condemning 'white privilege'. Again, fuck off, you're desensitizing a concept that didn't have much of a basis to begin with.

[–]Iwanttobedelivered 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know what whit privilege is...

But I know what black privilege is:

-Get to speak out loud and interrupt people in public places

-you get to walk around the streets at night without getting robbed or killed

-you get to say racist shit without any repercussions

I'm sure there's more. Help please?

Btw I'm brown

[–]definitelyoffensive2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what these people believe, truly. Nothing to see here, they're black, they can't be racist.