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[–]PX44 40ポイント41ポイント  (9子コメント)

I've been banging this "Mata is not that good" drum for a season and a bit now, you really do need to build a team around the guy to get the best out of him.

[–]RedDevilAndy 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

Mata is bang average if u compare him to other players in the same position. People love Mata because he's the nice guy therefore 'cant critizise' him. No pace, not athletic/dynamic, no contribution defensively at all, cant go past a man. What he has got is a 10yard killer ball or the odd freekick goal. Feels like he's slowing us down, thats why Mou let him go.

[–]PX44 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Preaching to the converted mate. Preaching to the converted.

You've summed him up very well there. Pace is fairly important but it's the technical footwork I care about more for this position - against two banks of four, pace isn't going to crack that open, you're going to need either good footwork or quick passing. Both are attributes we need to target for our next 10, I think.

[–]mink_manBellion 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mata needs to play in a fast team where he can play balls in behind the defence to a pacey striker.

[–]LDN2016[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's played plenty with DiMa, Martial, Rashford, Wilson and Lingard making runs and done fuck all play making.

[–]mink_manBellion 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fast team - we are not and never have been under LVG.

[–]RVCFeverSir Alex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely agree, you can see why Mourinho let him go, extremely limited player.

[–]LDN2016[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even then, the team's attack was awful when built around him. He padded his stats but they didn't score many and struggled to 6th.

[–]PX44 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I thought about editing to add that, but it seemed overkill lol.

I'd like to see him sold, us get in a genuinely capable 10, and rotate with Pereira for COC/earlier FA games next season to get the lad experience.

[–]rayray604Van Persie 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Came in thinking it was a shitpost, leaving with a new understanding of Mata. Thats what this sub is all about.

[–]Worst_smurf_NAFergie's hairdryer 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Mata is quite a curious case. When he plays centrally and is given space, he can pick some exquisite passes and find space for himself in the box too. When he's on the wing, he affects the entire game in a whole different sense--he makes our play far more narrow because he constantly cuts inside and provides no threat of pace to beat a fullback down the touchline.

Watching him at No. 10 for Chelsea was impressive, as those sides had the quality to give him the time and space he needed. At United, he has very rarely played in the 10 role, and even when he has, his performances have been quite inconsistent, due to our "philosophy" of possession for possession sake (i.e. not as many through passes and shots), our lack of quality, and to the way that teams attack Mata, similar to what SAF was saying above.

I really like Mata as a person, and it's clear he gives his all on the pitch (there are very few people I can say that about this season), but he's just been overmatched this year, and playing on the wing just doesn't help him nor the club. He would be far better suited in any of the other big leagues (Bundesliga, La Liga, Ligue 1, Serie A) and would probably even thrive there, but he just isn't that effective in the way he's been positioned here since his arrival

Most people think Mourinho would spell the end for Mata, and I have to say, that would probably be best for both parties

[–]craigybachaManchester United 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

But he's played no. 10 now for the past 3+ months and not impressed at all. He's had his chance now in his prefered position and not done well.

[–]OhHayJohn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was class against Arsenal as a number 10.

[–]TaeTaeDSMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you're being selective with this point mate. I agree a lot with how Mata effects our play but in that 3 month period you say he hasn't impressed, who out of our squad HAS impressed? Nobody. When that happens, you question the manager, not the players. He was great at Valencia, he was great at Chelsea, but not the player they wanted.

[–]craigybachaManchester United 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

True that. Perhaps under a new manager with a different strategy he'd perform better. I just don't think he's a Premier League type player - probably why Mourinho sold him (doesn't track back, not physical enough, etc).
Plus in the past 3 months Martial has impressed in the final 3rd.

[–]the_special_juanMata 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He was playing well up until the red card so "not impressed at all" isn't exactly true. He has problems with consistent form though.

[–]craigybachaManchester United 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's your opinion. I think he's been poor before the red card for several months.

[–]baby_bomb_squad 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yet he still scored in both legs against United

2-3

And they freaking won 1-0 off a late Mata deflection shot

[–]LDN2016[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yep, he always pads his individual stats and his team ends up losing.

Which is fine because he'll promise to do better next week.

hugs

x

[–]baby_bomb_squad 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Did you just downvote me for not circlejerking with you?

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's "Shit on Mata week". Didn't you get the memo?

[–]GingerwigMataaaaaa! -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

It always is when we lose.

[–]tamasuperstarDe Gea -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not to mention downvote opinions I don't like week (every week here I guess).

I actually think OP's points is a pertinent one, I just don't know why people can't take a nuanced view.

It's always:

Mata is a shite, weak minded player, fuck him and his blogs, anyone who disagrees with me will be downvoted, when really the truth is more nuanced than that, even though OP makes some good points, they're just ruined by opinion downvoting and a lack of considering other viewpoints.

[–]ParkerZAYoung 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Further compounded by the fact that you're heavily downvoted. This sub is awful at the moment.

[–]tamasuperstarDe Gea 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was odd, I was positive for a while, then clearly another demographic came in or the tone shifted on the sub and I fell through the floor into the minuses.

It's kind of intriguing seeing the groupthink live actually.

[–]KeKaRoNiJanuzaj 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't give them any ideas, please.

[–]sternfahrerAA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fantastic read. Thanks for sharing.

[–]PenPaperShotgun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I been saying mata is poor since the days of chelsea, he shined in a team where Kalou, Meriles and Boswinga were starters ffs. He cannot beat a man with pace, cannot out strength a man, always uses his left foot, he cannot use his weaker foot, he cant shoot from far and needs time on the ball. He is so poor

[–]oolalaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dumbest signing since Berbatov. Only two footballing dunces would sanction such a panic-stricken deal.

[–]iSubyPereira -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to see mata play cf with memphis/martial/lingard/rashford either side