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[–]atamajakki -12ポイント-11ポイント  (65子コメント)

Pubish a 300 page hardcover corebook that just says STOP BEING RACIST on every single page in bolded Impact font.

[–]Strichnine 13ポイント14ポイント  (14子コメント)

holy fuck, please god dont let fucking PC culture ruin the game I love.

The game does not fit into your demographic if that is the shit you are worrying about, sorry.

If you change the way the books are to be politically correct you are going to alienate the real fans, all the while you are pandering to people that would never even pick up the game in the first place.

[–]blasezucchini 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sadly, most of Onyx Path and it's writers are solidly PC/Progressive/SJW. Which wouldn't be so bad on its own, if they weren't pushing that ideology so much in the books. Unfortunately, they are.

[–]Deaden 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's way out of League for Vampire. I'm okay with it seeping into Mage, so long as I can still enjoy the game. After all, Mage is all about denying reality and substituting your own.

[–]Fairwhetherfriend -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh-huh. Please tell me more about how a game that's literally about imagination is only limited to you and your specific interests...

[–]UntarnishedCopper 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's no way that a single rulebook that is meant to encompass a good portion of the world (let's just take Vampire for instance, and assume it covers the major clans) without generalizations. And each group that has an obvious world relation can be generalized.

The Assamite are based on the Hashshashin, the Ravnos are Roma, the Tzimisce are Romanian (and various other flavors of Eastern Europe) nobility. For all the good and ill that those entail.

Most famous Romanian noble? Part of the Order of the Dragon (dedicated to protecting Christianity) and exceptionally brutal. The Roma have their own issues, but are famous for thievery and tricks as wandering folk (which fits Chymistry pretty well). Hashshashins did focus on vengeance and power struggles and assassination.

And that's ok. After all, it's just the source book. The rest of the details are up to the GM (or ST in this case). It's perfectly fine to have a noble Tzismche (they're probably an Old Dragon, but that's fine), or a male Daughter of Caccaphony. Heck, the Technocracy used to be much more villainous until people started making arguments for them.

I just don't seem to have encountered anything that would require such an action in most of the White Wolf / Onyx Path books I've read, would you care to share?

[–]Deaden 5ポイント6ポイント  (48子コメント)

World of Darkness: Trigger Warning Edition

We should also include pages with a list of seventeen thousand different sets of pronouns (more will be included in the neverending series of supplements covering them) and a section talking about how sexy fat people are.

Edit: actually, calling it world of darkness might be racist, we should come up with something else.

[–]monkeyfurred 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Don't forget the complimentary problem glasses and the discount coupon for neon hair dye.

[–]blasezucchini 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bright/unusual coloration is just nature warning us that something is toxic.

[–]YouAllMeetInATavern 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well, I can tell you're definitely going to want to skip the Roll20 Mage actual play.

[–]Deaden 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, denying reality and creating your own is a very appealing roleplay aspect for certain people. (<3 Mage, though).

[–]monkeyfurred 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Oh yeah. Took one look as soon as it loaded up and noped the fuck out.

[–]K9ine 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

What happened?

[–]monkeyfurred 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

I dunno. I bailed before they could start defining their characters' pronouns.

[–]K9ine 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I mean, why did you gtfo?

[–]YouAllMeetInATavern 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Have you seen the actual play? It should be fairly clear in light of their earlier comments about as soon as it loads.

(It's also, contra monkeyfurred, quite good imo. So you should definitely give it a shot.)

[–]K9ine 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can't find it. Just curious about what's going on. I just got into nwod and there seems to be some kind of controversy but I can't find any details.

[–]monkeyfurred 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The ST and one of the players were blatantly flying the SJW colors. Not gonna sit through that.

[–]K9ine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't stand sjws either, but they didn't seem to say anything anoiying. I couldn't care less about dyed hair.

[–]atamajakki -1ポイント0ポイント  (34子コメント)

...are you seriously upset that I don't want a game to consist largely of racist stereotypes?

[–]K9ine 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You must be exaggerating. I have never heard of wod being accused of being veiled racist propaganda.

[–]Agkistro13 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It wasn't. It was very progressive at the time it was written. A certain segment of the population that there definitely isn't an acronym for has just gotten a hell of a lot crazier since then.

[–]Deaden 3ポイント4ポイント  (23子コメント)

No! I'm on your side! I was reading through V20 and all I could think of was racism and heterocentricistic-genderism. There was literally no other more important themes in the book, that I could see. It was clearly written for those purposes.

I mean, race and gender are the only things I ever think about anymore (because they are the only things that are interesting about me, contrived as they may be), and I look at everything in the world through that narrow lense, but still.

[–]atamajakki 5ポイント6ポイント  (22子コメント)

If you can't see that the Ravnos and Assamites are hideously racist, then you're just not looking.

[–]Agkistro13 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't think words in a book that don't actually condemn, criticize, mock, or threaten a racial group can be 'hideously racist'. "Hideously racist" means something like "Australian Aborigines should all die and here's why!"

Creating a fictional group of creatures that pull inspiration from national folklore and stereotypes is not 'hideously racist'. If it's racist at all, it's in that way that nobody notices, thinks about, or is affected by in any way shape or form until somebody like you comes along and tells them they are obligated to be offended. "Slightly racist" or "Potentially racist" or "Racist to me but I'm an SJW and I think everything is racist so w/e" would have all been more appropriate.

[–]YouAllMeetInATavern 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Suggesting that something along these lines is "hideously racist" is only actual acism here, because it dilutes the term until it has no meaning. If everything is racist, nothing is.

[–]Agkistro13 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's important is that everything atamajakki doesn't like is racist. Just because a term has no meaning doesn't mean it isn't useful as a cudgel.

[–]atamajakki -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

"These guys are called the Gypsies and they are magically compelled to steal things" is not drawing subtle inspiration from anything.

[–]Agkistro13 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did I say subtle? What it's not, is 'hideously racist'. It's mildly racist at worst.

[–]Deaden 17ポイント18ポイント  (15子コメント)

Absolutey! Those are the ones I hate the most, grrr! Why can't anything just focus on storytelling for once instead of shoving their racism in my face!

I mean it can't be that hard to write a clan history and avoid all macro and microaggressive references to every culture in existence. I mean, clans don't even need an origin, or a personality anyway, right?

I'm perfectly happy with all the clans feeling flat and flavorless, if it means I did my job as a white person to protect every culture on earth from those evil book publishers, who clearly hated some cultures so much that they wrote entire books full of microaggressions vaguely referencing them, and had the gull to hide them under the guise of making the actual characters look cool.

Those poor, vaguely-referenced cultures! Who else will protect them? WHO?!

[–]monkeyfurred 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

You made my night. Thank you.

[–]Capitalist_P-I-G -3ポイント-2ポイント  (13子コメント)

Those poor, vaguely-referenced cultures! Who else will protect them? WHO?!

Just curious, snarky bullshit aside, what do you think the answer is to that?

[–]explodingdice 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they made a decent effort to fix things as revised went on. Remove what you can't salvage (ravnos) and try to improve the rest. The assamite clan book for revised certainly made an attempt to give them a broader culture with the sorcerers and viziers. I don't know that it succeeded completely, but it was a step in the right direction that apocalypse never seemed to make (the fianna, the get, etc.)

[–]Deaden 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

Oh that's an obvious one. All of us middle-class white genderfluid folk in the first world are the only ones speaking up about it, so we better keep fighting! We believe deep down that all cultures are soo weak and incapable of standing on their own, they need us to protect them from every single reference, regardless of actual intention.

Because we know truly, that even vaguely referencing a culture we may not know much about, and making them into a cool character, is immediately and disgustingly racist. There really is only a black or a white stance to have on this issue.

[–]popeguilty 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Werewolf not using a racial slur as one of its major terms would be super.

[–]TheBeautiful1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, it's 2016, not 1816. We prefer the term "Bispecies," thanks.

[–]gaslightlinux 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which one is that?