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A Message from Phil Spencer (news.xbox.com)

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[–]xTheBossThe Agency Boss 15ポイント16ポイント  (44子コメント)

Who is he talking about?

[–]german_leopard 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Microsoft hosted a GDC party that was very offputting towards its attendees (which includes Microsoft employees). So Phil Spencer sent out an apology to his employees.

[–]supremegeneralj 3ポイント4ポイント  (42子コメント)

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-exec-apologizes-for-unequivocally-wrong-gdc-p/1100-6435802/ apparently it was to celebrate a "women in gaming event"

[–]ArtimusGG 17ポイント18ポイント  (40子コメント)

No they had a "Women in gaming" event during GDC, the dancers were hired for a GDC after party event. A lady attended and was disgusted and some more guests felt it was inappropriate.

[–]choboy456choboy999 34ポイント35ポイント  (34子コメント)

Seems like it was pretty blown out of proportion to me

[–]singhr1#teamlocke 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

It was, but it's still a bad look. It's a type of "booth babe" culture that most of the industry has moved passed.

[–]retardcharizardOdessey Ex [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

bringboothbabesback

[–]marius_titusLT CANNIBAL 68 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Put a \ in front of the # to get

#bringtheboothbabesback

[–]infestedjokerInfestedjokers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

#boothbabeslivesmatter

[–]ArtimusGG -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

It pissed me off and I'm glad to see it addressed with professionalism and maturity

[–]XboxUncut [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So the women got paid and weren't exploited for their lifestyle by making them out to be victims of men by the internet?

oh wait... that last one.

[–]zenmn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Aww did some internet people rustle your jimmies cause they criticised the objectification of women?

[–]ArtimusGG [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who said that? What are you even talking about? It's inappropriate for Microsoft to have hired "sexy schoolgirl" dancers to be at the GDC after party. You're talking about exploitation, victims, and God knows what else.

[–]SteveMI 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

So get some male dancers too.....if they have a problem with that, remind them that they are adults.

[–]ArtimusGG 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm sure the intention was to make the party fun, but it just makes Microsoft look like a bunch of sexist perverts.

[–]GeneralFailure0GeneralFailure0 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If they had also had male dancers I think you would have seen far fewer complaints, and I agree that in that case complaints would have been invalid.

It's not about having sexy dancers, it's about who the dancers, and thus the party, were for (straight men).

[–]segagamerXbox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who the hell is this Kamina and why does she have such a massive pole up her ass on twitter? Urgh.

[–]wanderjahrwanderjahr 38ポイント39ポイント  (15子コメント)

Oh wow, that is lame as fuck.

I'm watching people frothing at the mouth on NeoGAF over this. Just plain stupid. Do people not get out of the house? I mean, have people never been to a club? Ever?

Some people need to grow up.

[–]GUTIF#teamchief 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

Aren't booth girls dressed scantily a thing at every convention? Isn't a large part of cosplay the same thing? Why is no one bitching about female costumes in basically all fighting games? This is just people that dislike Microsoft jumping on the tail of an issue that they wouldn't care about if it came from a company they liked.

[–]DARIFDAR1F 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Aren't booth girls dressed scantily a thing at every convention? Isn't a large part of cosplay the same thing? Why is no one bitching about female costumes in basically all fighting games?

People have complained about that for years.

[–]YouAreSalty 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

E3 has actually cut back on that now and for good reasons. I really don't want the gaming industry to be associated with this.

[–]ivan510 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Associated with what exactly? You don't think it's okay to pay people for legal jobs that they do?

[–]DARIFDAR1F -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly, if we want to see gaming being seen as a serious hobby and a form of art we need to cut the crap and mature.

[–]ivan510 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Who even cares, most of these parties are for adults also. It's a part of the girls job also, it's not like they companies are forcing them at their will. Have you ever been to a traditional sport after party? Like nba or NFL. I guess we better not have cosplay conventions anymore because people are immature and sensitive about everything also. Gaming is already taken serious, if not there wouldn't be billions pumped into it every year. Not would we have people like Shaq, A rod, or Mark Cuban investing in exports.

[–]DARIFDAR1F [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who even cares,

I and many others.

most of these parties are for adults also.

And there are adults complaining.

It's a part of the girls job also, it's not like they companies are forcing them at their will.

People do what they have to to pay the bills.

Have you ever been to a traditional sport after party? Like nba or NFL.

Neither of those are big in the UK. And what do you mean by traditional after party? If you mean like watching with friends and celebrating then no, we don't hire dancers.

I guess we better not have cosplay conventions anymore because people are immature and sensitive about everything also.

Straw man. Conventions are different. People are showing off their art there, both genders do it and people can wear what they want to. This has nothing to do with immaturity, ignoring this problem and blaming sensitivity, sjws and pc culture instead of actually discussing it is immature.

Gaming is already taken serious,

No it isn't. Game dev is famously hostile to women. I didn't follow gamergate but the attitudes some men were showing during the hype were absolutely vile.

if not there wouldn't be billions pumped into it every year.

Money has nothing to do with it being taken seriously. The Chinese super league and MLS buy football players for exorbitant amounts for example, but no one takes them seriously in football. They're known as retirement leagues.

Not would we have people like Shaq, A rod, or Mark Cuban investing in exports.

Idk how this is relevant or what it means.

[–]srkuse82Xbox 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its the anti Microsoft initiative...if Sony did this they would easily defend it as its just them having fun....but since its their opposition...might as well burn it all down to the ground...

[–]Thor_2099Doctor Voodoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why this is a topic of conversation at neogaf is ridiculous. People just want to shit on anything Microsoft.

[–]el_profe -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Attendees weren't intent on going to a club, though.

[–]MrStruggleSnuggle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The people complaining are mainly just upset because the people who attended it got closer to a scantily clad woman than they ever have.

[–]ImHullyxHully 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

People got upset about dancers in short skirts, with exposed belly buttons, and some cleavage. This is 2016, a time where absolutely everything is offensive to somebody. The fact that this is news worthy, or that Phil even had to apologize for this, is ridiculous.

[–]triforce28 55ポイント56ポイント  (14子コメント)

Fucking sensitive snowflakes got their feelings hurt because they saw a scantily clad female. Bunch of pussies. Hate that Phil felt the need to apologize

[–]WinterVisionWinterVision 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm behind you 100%, friend. I really really really don't get these people.

[–]falcon511 -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ehh GDC isnt the place for this sort of thing. I can understand why people would be upset. Its a professional even for networking and such. The backlash is a bit deserved.

This is coming from someone who isnt an outraged about sexism everywhere and isnt into extreme political correctness and a liberal.

[–]justguessmyusername [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's an after-party, lighten up dude! Nothing wrong with a little dancers here and there.

[–]97EchoEcho -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is also coming from someone who apparently has no clue how GDC works.

[–]NoblePilsnerSunset Overdrive 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

So, where does it say in that article that scantily clad dancers are the norm at GDC parties?

[–]YouAreSalty [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You can have a party without scantily clad women so it isn't like you suddenly can't have parties.

[–]TheAll-ProSunset Overdrive [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They're doing it all wrong anyways. You show up to a business event to showcase what you're offering and what the future holds for your product. You talk shop, get shit done, and then after you've worked your ass off you hit the strip club and get your freak on. This play all day bullshit is for pussies.

[–]YouAreSalty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You talk shop, get shit done, and then after you've worked your ass off you hit the strip club and get your freak on.

and if people decide to do that, that is their thing and it is cool.

[–]TheAsianTroll -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The "feel-good", easily-offended, quick-to-judge world we live in is absolutely awful. Recently, one of my friends was accused of being a pedophile because he was watching his niece at the park and the mothers there didn't believe they were related.

The fact that the world is like this blows.

[–]segagamerXbox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I just reported her on Twitter.

[–]frayne182Frayne Daddy 31ポイント32ポイント  (23子コメント)

Can humans not even be human anymore and enjoy a little eye candy?

And the gaming industry really needs to stop recognizing Neogaf. It's nothing but negativity and honestly rarely brings anything positive to the table.

[–]TheLimeyLemmon 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey, I'm all for exotic dancing, but it is a little seedy considering GDC is meant to be a professional industry event. I think Phil was right to address this.

[–]Raderj2FaceTheBatman 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

dude who gives a fuck about these oversensitive douche bags? GET OVER IT.

[–]BrooklynspartanBrooklynSpartan 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can't tame it? The kiddie pool's right across the hall. Grow the fuck up jeez.

[–]GUTIF#teamchief 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seriously.

UFC, boxing, all sports cheerleaders. What's the difference? This is one of the most ridiculous complaints I've ever seen.

[–]NoblePilsnerSunset Overdrive 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

One is a professional event for networking and the others are sports events? It should be pretty obvious.

I have zero problem with strippers, cheerleaders, etc. But to have them at GDC is unprofessional--especially when said company held an event highlighting women working the industry.

[–]german_leopard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Especially at an event hosted by the company itself. It's not like some attendees decided to just meet up at a random club afterwards.

[–]Butterfactory 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

So this woman Kamina Vincent filed a formal complaint over this to Microsoft. Does this person always file a formal complaint when she goes to a nightclub or watches a movie? Or even after playing a game like GTA. Better not tell these people to go to a gaming event like Gamescom then!

[–]YouAreSalty 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the difference is that she went to a professional event supposed to be a friendly business environment and not to a strip club!

[–]ThePowerofX 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Attractive dancers are forbidden. Respectful appreciation is prohibited. Fun not allowed. Everybody must go home.

Why is Microsoft even responding to this?

[–]borgey401 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People get offended over anything these days. It's really quite pathetic, this seems to be especially true in my country America.

[–]GUTIF#teamchief 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The only people who would get bashed for this would be microsoft

[–]srkuse82Xbox 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is absurd...why in the hell do they have to apologize about dancers at their event? Don't like it!! Move the hell on...

[–]falcon511 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

So lets add some context here. GDC is a professional networking event for developers. Having sexy dancers isnt really the place for this sort of thing. It is a bit unprofessional and the backlash in this case is a bit deserved. If this was someplace that was a bit more laxed with things like cosplayers and such then i doubt this would be an issue.

I am very liberal and hate how extreme some liberals are nowadays like The Verge and The Young Turks but in this case they are right. When you go to events like this it needs to be professional.

[–]brotherlymoses [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's a fuckin party, not an event

[–]cheeseburgerhandy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If this was someplace that was a bit more laxed

people are hanging out with st paddys days party hats drinking beer. how the fuck more "laxed" do you need?

[–]falcon511 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is a professional event for people to network. Its not really the time or the place for this sort of thing.

[–]nevvision 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Verge went to shit when the whole Gamers-gate stupid drama shit happened. Like they said they had to close their comments because of trolls but then literally write a piece about how everyone who disagrees with them is wrong. They're literally enticing trolls....

But yea, typical Xbox reddit users won't get it. This is about how a company's culture is defined. I bet even people who work in MS/Xbox might be soured by this. Someone (event organizers) fucked up. I highly doubt people like Phil or VP/CEO are offered much input in events like these (got more stuff to worry about). Its less about MS being "hated" on and more about how MS (or most publicly traded companies) would NEVER allow this. Imagine if Apple or Facebook did something like this during one of their product keynotes. They would get shit on.

[–]VLSCO -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup i use to follow TYT but now they are basically foxnews for liberals

and look at this headline http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/18/11262888/microsoft-gdc-2016-party "Microsoft's GDC party extends tradition of sexism in the gaming industry"

smh

[–]GeneralFailure0GeneralFailure0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't about people getting offended at the sight of scantily-clad women dancing. I don't have a problem with seeing that at all, and I still think this was a really bad idea for this event. It's about what Microsoft was saying about who they expected to have as attendees to an industry games conference.

Keep in mind that Microsoft hosted a "Women in Games" lunch at this same conference. Surely it shouldn't be too hard to find some hypocrisy in the idea that they were promoting the role of women in games by day and then throwing parties designed to appeal to straight male attendees by night.

Before you just write this off as an "sjw" overreaction, at least give some thought about how this misrepresented Microsoft and Xbox's stated attitudes toward women in the game industry. This statement clearly demonstrates that Phil has.

[–]brotherlymoses 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

People actually got salty over the dancers? Man, that's my kinda party!

[–]Gamma_Ray_CharlesMuy Bien GATO 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems like there's a lot more oversensitivity in here, to be honest. First of all, this directly affects the way Microsoft and Xbox is represented and perceived by an ever-growing diverse population of gamers. Agree with it or disagree with it, but it affects the company and its subsidiaries, not you. You'll be okay. Second, this shit is tactless. Xbox is ran by Phil Spencer, not Jordan Belfort. It was a right move for him to respond the way he did. This was completely contradictory to the "women in gaming" event they held during GDC.

At the end of the day, all of you feeling outrage over this will probably forget about it as you sink back into your chair and spend the rest of your evening silently stewing behind your TV. Again, you'll live.

[–]spike048Spike48 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

So many comments condoning what happened, surprised to see people go against the word of the great Phil Spencer who said that what took place was wrong.

[–]Synnz22 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unless there are some videos of the girls taking all their clothes off.. I'm not sure what the big deal is... You see MUCH worse in some of the CosPlay outfits.

[–]NoblePilsnerSunset Overdrive [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Cosplay conventions and professional networking events for the gaming industry are completely different events. Nobody is saying that cosplay is inappropriate or that strippers shouldn't be allowed, but there is a time and a place for those.

[–]HarryWJohnsonNuBlue 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

What happened?

[–]wanderjahrwanderjahr 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Grown-ups wanted to have grown-up fun and dwellers got pissed.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1198445

[–]choboy456choboy999 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha I love that one comment

I'm absolutely disgusted, the only way I'll forgive Microsoft is if they put all their games on Steam

[–]NdrewluxPresidenTrump [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hey Phil, why don't you focus on gaming and not politics?

Let your PR deal with crap and focus on gamers.

You know, the people who make your job possible.

[–]__Noodles [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wish it was possible to take the people that think this is some big deal and that MS should be shamed... And post their porn histories.

I betting there would be a lot less smug offended whining.

[–]sparksfx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm seriously missing something here... Phil is gonna follow up what exactly? Dancers at an after party? In what world is that considered "scantily clad"? Is this a dream? There's no way people can get upset about this. It's mental. A formal fucking complaint? Jesus H, get some sun if something like this offends you, because you'd see it on the street everyday. This is just so mental.

[–]joevsyou 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

yawn... Dancers okay.

[–]swipe_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can't people just cringe about how out of place this was instead of acting like they're having Vietnam War-level PTSD flashbacks when they see a couple of women dancing?

Oh, and there are women in the world that like looking at dancing women too.

[–]EyePiece108 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm sure the events company MS used for this received a epic firing.

[–]kongsnutz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You think this is bad, I've been to Sony Rep nights for Eb Games Aus that had almost naked female dancers in cages around a room filled with demo units to play.

Awkward doesn't begin to describe that

[–]Lostpassnoemailnum3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh no! Scantily clad women! This hurts me!

For real though. Was it professional? Not really. More importantly, did anyone get hurt by this? No? fuck off then.

They apologized for the scene being unprofessional. It's not like the big man himself at the HQ thought this would be a good idea. Shit is most likely run by dozens of low level people.

Again, they issued an apology over something trivial and yet now you're going to have to wait a week until this blows over which is laughable.

Here's my thought process of a normal individual

"Oh snap, for real?"

'Moves on'

But it's funny watching other certain websites "cough neogaf" go on a 20+ page thread and still counting.

dudes need a life

[–]egoisillusion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Here is a short video from the event. It was a party with dancing and a club atmosphere. Go-go dancers in clubs are exceedingly common, as they help build the atmosphere. Should MS have created an event like this? I don't know, but if you want people to drink, socialize, and dance to music, what they created is very standard.

[–]mando44646 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Good to see them accept that it was inappropriate. Not the right time or place for the demographics and markets Xbox works in.

Is this type of event in general 'bad'? No of course not. It's all about context

[–]sirwaffMisterPendejo -5ポイント-4ポイント  (12子コメント)

The comments from this subreddit on this topic have been extremely disappointing.

[–]DARIFDAR1F -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you honestly expect more of /r/xboxone?

[–]Shadowacher 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You saw this comment everybody. Mr. Sirwaff here is disappointed in you.

[–]GeneralFailure0GeneralFailure0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everybody seems to just be latching onto the narrative that some people got offended about seeing some scantily-clad women and completely missing the point: a party at an industry conference should not be designed exclusively to appeal to straight male attendees. This made a statement about Microsoft's expectations at who should/would be attending this kind of event. That's the problem.

[–]spike048Spike48 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree sir, i feel like those making those types of comments are the people Microsoft was trying to appeal to when they originally planned this event.

[–]EnterthoughtNightSurgeon109 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Same here, not only were the Dancers out of place at the event they didn't even go with the theme of the party.

"OK so here we'll have the Dj, here we can show off our latest tech, here we'll show off our new exclusives, make sure the lights are this specific color oh and here we'll put the naughty schoolgirls."

[–]97EchoEcho 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You apparently have any clue how GDC works.

[–]EnterthoughtNightSurgeon109 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah so to network and exchange ideas they need to have dancers there because?

[–]97EchoEcho 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because those exchanges are conducted at after parties in clubs, where adults like to congregate in. Those clubs have dancers staffed and if they don't work they get pissed. So the clubs put out the dancers thinking that it won't be a big deal because if it's an event for high powered executives they won't act like children when it comes to things like sexuality. THey've been wrong for two years straight as Nvidia was the "outrage" target last year

[–]EnterthoughtNightSurgeon109 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But don't you think It would be SOMEONE'S responsibility (the club, MS whoever) to know what sort of entertainment would be at this party? This is an event that is supposed to represent the company and somebody should've let them know that there were going to be elements that would reflect poorly upon the company's outlook on their audience.

Yes the dancers would not have gotten paid that night but you know what? That happens at jobs sometimes. That night they just wouldn't have been able to work, sucks but that's life. If MS is renting out an establishment then they should have the piece of mind to know what will be occurring at their party and take appropriate action in order to make sure everyone has a good time and that the company is represented well.

edited for spelling

[–]cheeseburgerhandy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

what theme? you mean where they're all wearing green beads and st paddy's day party hats? girls dancing in green skirts don't go with that theme? bullshit

[–]ThePowerofX -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are these dancers dressed like schoolgirls, or are schoolgirls increasingly dressing like party dancers?

Perhaps schools should enforce strict dress codes, because they don't look like school uniforms to me.

[–]NoblePilsnerSunset Overdrive -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fully agree with you. It's been very sad to read this reaction.

[–]weeble04 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

So they want to be all inclusive.. EXCEPT for exotic schoolgirls? They're people too!

[–]Raderj2FaceTheBatman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some women go out dressed in LESS than that.... I mean come on

[–]ArtimusGG -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Phil hit the nail on the head with this situation. The after party represents them as a company, anyone who has ever been on a sports team, a company, military, etc know this train of thought. Whoever hired the dancers didn't give enough consideration to the people who would be offended by them, and also that the responsibility would be put on Microsoft the company.

I was really put off by the image but seeing how Phil and Aaron are handling it reassures me this was a terrible but unintended mistake. I would hate to be the person who gave the "okay" to get these dancers...

[–]el_profe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This event screams, "FEMALE DEVS NOT WELCOME!" And that's the problem Phil needs/needed to address.

If you don't get that, then you simply don't get that.

[–]LinkRazrARon723 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They literally had a female in games centric luncheon the same day. Where they highlighted women in game development.

[–]threeolives -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hadn't even heard about this. Dumb move on MS part. Totally inappropriate for GDC and not good for PR. RIDICULOUS overreaction on the part of those people who don't like it. Holy shit it's women in school girl outfits, not child porn. It's no different than what you'd see at so many sporting events. If you don't like it, that's find and you're welcome to say so. Calling it disgusting is a bit over the top.

[–]somekindarobit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow. Fully expect to get downvoted for this based on how everyone is reacting, but there are a lot of juveniles in this thread. This is coming from a guy. I'm a fan of scantily clad women, but there's a time and place for it. An event where there are going to be men and women present isn't one of them. Would you guys feel the same way if there were male dancers instead of female dancers?

Phil did the right thing. He owned up to it and said that they're better than that and will strive harder to be inclusive. That's what an adult does.

[–]-tuhbakee- -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck yeah! Down with the patriarchy!