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Transgender people can now change gender marker on Michigan ID without surgery (mlive.com)

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[–]HighOnGoofballs 55ポイント56ポイント  (32子コメント)

I thought IDs had sex, not gender on them.

[–]Magicacke [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

This is what I don't understand.

Trans people say that gender and sex are different, yet they want the ability to change legal documents that refer explicitly to sex, not gender. It seems an awful lot like equivocation.

With any conversation like this online, people always try to use intersex people as a way to justify their argument about sex supposedly not being concrete.

Here's the rub, anyone who was born with a penis and XY chromosomes is definitively a male and anyone who is born with a vagina and XX chromosomes is definitively a female.

Redefining language is not going to change anything because society will just make up new words for words that have been changed. So instead of saying male or female now, I've seen people say people say natal male and natal female.

This isn't something we can talk honestly about in society. Activists have went have scientists and doctors who have any questions or want to do research, typically by means of character assassination.

How the Fight Over Transgender Kids Got a Leading Sex Researcher Fired

The Controversy Surrounding The Man Who Would Be Queen: A Case History of the Politics of Science, Identity, and Sex in the Internet Age

There's a lot of misrepresented science out there regarding trans issues, but talking about it isn't allowed.

On Russo's "Is there something unique about the transgender brain?": Well, yes and no.

Do trans- kids stay trans- when they grow up?

[–]Rephaite [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It feels like equivocation, but is it equivocation by LGBT advocates, or by the people who decided "sex" was the right word to call that field on an ID?

I've never once been carded by someone who then decided they needed to verify that my "sex" matched the card by feeling my junk or DNA testing for my chromosomes. Usually, they stop at verifying against my more public presentation, clothing, hairstyle, whether or not I'm wearing makeup, facial hair, etc.

Those are all gender expressions for which you need not have had surgery. They aren't sex.

[–]Sonbot [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Honestly we should just remove the coating all together and put XY or XX on the IDs. Until we can do gene mods, this should work ok.

[–]Madlydevoid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If it helps a person make the transition in life and they have breasts when they use to not, I don't see much of an issue. Maybe if it's relevant for a surgery in case of an accident? But I honestly don't see the harm.

[–]ZeroDagger [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Why do IDs even need to show this information?

[–]ihateredditorsalot1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In case of a medical emergency; men and women are different.

[–]Neken88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're looking for logic. All of theirs is backwards engineered and will necessarily be inconsistent. They have an end result they want. They make up everything else as they go along.

[–]titus_vi 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

Yeah I am confused about this. I thought that sex was genetic while gender was identity. Don't we need a way to state the genetic sex of someone?

[–]larsadaktusson [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why/when do we actually need to know someones sex or gender on an ID?

[–]Asatru55 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why do we need a way to state the genetic sex of someone? I don't understand why this is so important to you people. The Chromosomes you have at birth are just a tiny variable that trigger a larger chain reaction during the development phase. This development can be changed by taking hormones / Hormone blockers.

It always baffles me how young people nowadays go on and on about the rejection of religion yet continue to support a certain kind of dogma what is natural and what is not. Nature does not have a fucking agenda.

[–]im_old_my_eyes_bleed [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Gender has a biological basis in my opinion and transgender people are evidence of this.

[–]Jkeets777 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's besides the point though...You either have a Y chromosome or you don't.

[–]holysweetbabyjesus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's exceptionally important when dealing with health issues, because you can be whatever you want in your mind, but your genes are going to dictate how your body is going to react. Your fake testicles probably aren't going to get cancer.

[–]d0sta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The gender fluid tumbler otherkin doesn't seem to know that

[–]tms10000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The State might not know the difference?

[–]nanshaggr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I actually think its smart, your ID is supposed to identify you, that's its function. Nobody checks your genitals to figure out who you are, and if it says male but you're a transgender that dresses and appears to be female, that's only going to confuse things. Besides, when is your ID ever checked to ensure you're either male or female?

[–]SoCo_cpp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The same trick is being used on restrooms. Restrooms are traditionally segregated by sex. Now people are tricking facilities in to making arrangements to segregate restrooms by gender instead of sex and of course this causes no one to be happy and leading to special snowflake restrooms so Cartman can shit in peace.

[–]thelfj [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I guess the question is, why is that correct? If the argument is about how someone identifies, shouldn't the card with their identity reflect how they identify? Shouldn't the field be gender instead of sex?

[–]Lost_in_costco [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

my California ID says Sex:Male. Which is the biological terms. Even if they're post op transgender female, they're still biologically male by sex.

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    [–]die_rattin 24ポイント25ポイント  (52子コメント)

    TIL they call it 'gender confirmation surgery' now.

    [–]IslamicStatePatriot 21ポイント22ポイント  (51子コメント)

    And in a few years it will be 'gender affirmation surgery' and in a few more after that something even more nonsensical. None of this is a good way to treat mental illness, but unfortunately we are held hostage by "feels" and political correctness these days.

    [–]lilbigjanet [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

    It's weird how doctors don't agree with you.

    [–]die_rattin [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    It's weird how doctors don't agree with you. Medical professionals give functional names to procedures, and for good reason. Even on Wikipedia, it's not even listed among the alternate terms for the procedure. Note the URL.

    Look, I get you want to be sensitive to trans folks but this one is controversial even there. 'Confirmation' implies that the surgery is a necessary step during the transition process, which it most definitely is not.

    [–]lilbigjanet [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    First comment implied that Gender Reassignment Surgery was not the prescribed treatment.

    [–]themadxcow [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    It's not. Suicide risk increases dramatically among those who have the surgery. It makes their lives worse, not better.

    [–]vipergirl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Well considering I had surgery 20 years ago, and the quality of my life has increased one hundred fold....

    You are wrong.

    [–]AlabasterBear [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

    It's weird how many doctors would agree with him.

    [–]lilbigjanet [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

    http://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/04/transgender.aspx

    [–]Neken88 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    It's wierd how all those disagreeing doctors either have a horse in the race or dollar signs in their eyes.

    [–]workraken [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    a horse in the race

    ...you mean...their Hippocratic Oath?

    [–]die_rattin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    And in a few years it will be 'gender affirmation surgery'

    This is already in use, see e.g. here.

    [–]SlimLovin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Well you seem like a kind, sympathetic individual.

    [–]Gishin -5ポイント-4ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Nice slippery slope.

    [–]Jkeets777 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

    It's not a slippery slope. Every term related to race, gender, sexuality, or disability that has a negative connotation to it gets changed every few years. Look at the evolution of the term "Illegal alien".

    [–]Captain_Clark [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    And The Three Races of Man:

    • The Negroid, with his flared nostrils, kinky hair and predilection for sport and dance!
    • The Mongoloid, with his black bowl-haircut and slanty eyes; inscrutable and wily!
    • The Causasoid Man; tall and fair, tasked with guiding the earth toward justice!

    Which of the Three Races of Man will inherit this planet? Is it too late to avert a human destiny as guileless mud-people? Will our species succumb to the antics of leftist intellectuals and historical revisionism in the name of identity politics?

    Find out next Friday, on the next episode of: History Sucks and So Do You!

    [–]AuthoritarianPersona -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The slippery slope is real. It took about ten years to get from "It's fine for gays to get married; they are people, too!" to "Men can go into women's changing rooms and nobody can tell them no."

    [–]SlimLovin [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    That "slippery slope" is called progress. Better get on the right side of it before you look like the kind of buffoon who would write a comment like yours.

    [–]ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Even if it were a mental illness, the "good way" to treat any such thing is whatever makes the patient feel better.

    Not whatever makes jackadoodles on the internet feel more righteous.

    [–]themadxcow [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    How does reassignment make them feel better if suicide rates increase post-op?

    Cocaine makes everyone feel better, but it's not exactly healthy to be on it all the time.

    [–]ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    How does reassignment make them feel better if suicide rates increase post-op?

    Because the studies never showed that. They only demonstrated a general increased likelihood of suicide among the transgender. The commonly cited stats are post-op vs general population, not post-op vs pre-op.

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      [–]underdabridge 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If we're going to keep this up can we please change forms to note biological sex? You can have whatever "gender" you want but your biological sex is your biological sex. I'm fine with including gender as well.

      I'm also fine with removing that altogether if we realize we have no idea why we're asking in the first place.

      [–]workraken [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Is there even record of a single time in which having that information on official documents was ever useful in the first place? Name, address, and birth date are generally the defining features for proving someone is who they say they are. I've never been asked to whip out my dick as a form of verification.

      [–]mattreyu 43ポイント44ポイント  (22子コメント)

      Hello scholarships for women!

      [–]tgjer [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      To change the gender on your Michigan drivers license, you have to show an updated passport.

      Changing the gender on your passport, or any other federal ID, requires medical certification that you have received treatment for gender dysphoria and transitioned from living as Gender A to Gender B. For most people, that treatment means hormone therapy.

      So unless you're prepared to take anti-androgens that will stop your body from producing testosterone, and take estrogen supplements that will send you through female puberty, this isn't relevant to you.

      [–]AuthorWannabe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      B-but transgender people make me feel uncomfortable and I need to take out my feelings on them! /s

      [–]mattreyu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      thanks for the details

      [–]Banelingz 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

      I am now 6'5, hello NBA.

      [–]Ophites 47ポイント48ポイント  (8子コメント)

      No kidding! Next we need to be allowed to change the race on our ID, since physical reality isn't a requirement anymore. Hello affirmative action scholarships!

      [–]DoctorFahrenheit 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah its a shame the US is still lagging behind in this area. I, for one, have identified as black since the first time I heard the Slim Shady LP.

      [–]Thx4TheDwnVotez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      http://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/elizabeth-warren-native-american-cherokee-controversy/

      [–]bottomofthetop 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      can we just change it to a privilege box that I can check?

      [–]niliti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think this highlights more of a problem with gender and race-based reward systems. I don't think many people are going to change their gender just so they can try to apply for that specific scholarship.

      [–]DarthLurker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I know of a white boy that identifies as Korean. But I say why stop there, I identify as an Orca and am suing Sea World on behalf of my people.

      [–]SlimLovin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Yea, and we can get some special bigot scholarships, too.

      [–]Ophites [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Sure thing, already comes in the form of the above scholarships!

      [–]Cecil_John_Rhodes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Take advantage of this shit:

      https://i.imgur.com/B7FtleO.png

      [–]ShimmyZmizz [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      In the majority of situations where IDs are used, you don't identify individuals by verifying that their junk matches their ID's stated gender. Even if you completely ignore the emotional benefits of this change for transgender people, it's worth doing just to reduce confusion:

      Before:

      ID says male, ID holder appears to be female. ID checker is confused, thinks it's fake, ID holder has to explain their unique situation to a complete stranger who may not understand it, causing more confusion.

      After:

      ID says female, ID holder appears to be female. ID checker doesn't know this person was born male and has no need to know what's in their pants. ID is confirmed and transaction is completed.

      People are posting ridiculous edge cases like finding a naked body in the woods or a medical emergency involving a pregnant transgender person, ignoring when IDs are actually used most: travel, buying things that are regulated by age, getting into a bar or movie, verifying a credit card. All of these cases are improved by this change, and focusing on edge cases or definitions indicates that you're more concerned with your personal views on transgender people than a law that makes things easier overall.

      [–]Gishin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      But my South Park and attack helicopter memes!

      [–]dysphoricfoot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Yup. This is the reason right there. It also extends to avoiding confusion in legal and financial documents. Another point is it's not always about avoiding just confusion but also discrimination. Why do trans people need to out themselves every time they show ID?

      But this thread is mostly just a circle jerk about how silly trans people are. "OMG they're just validating their mental illness". Nope there are actual practical concerns about having legal ID that matches your appearance. But you would actually need to have a basic understand of the lives of transgender people to get that. Most people's understanding of trans people is based purely on ignorance and prejudice.

      Why the hell is sex listed on your ID anyway? What purpose does it actually serve? If it is purely for identification purpose why is it more important to show a trans persons sex when that will make the ID less effective for identifying the individual?

      [–]CranialFlatulence 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

      *EDIT: Other than obtaining a passport, how easy is it to simply change gender on official documents? Will they have to show they're already living a lifestyle of the new gender,or could someone simply go to the DMV and check the box? I just see the potential for a lot of misuse here...unless the lawmakers have already thought about all that.

      As a comparison, what would be the reaction of people decided they identified as a different race? Do you think we'll move to a time where a white person could suddenly identify as black, or vice versa?

      I'm leaving my original post below just because I typically don't hide from things I wish I hadn't done. The sentiment is pretty much the same, but my original post was a little more reactionary.

      original post below:

      For the sake of discussion, how long will it be before we get to chose our race as well?

      I'm all for equal rights of the gay/transgendered community...but to be able to change your gender on the whim on official documents seems to be opening the door for misuse.

      [–]8llllllllllllD---- [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Will they have to show they're already living a lifestyle of the new gender,

      I don't understand. Why does someone have to conform to societal norms of the gender they identify as? As I understand gender identity, The Rock could go in and say he identifies as a woman and there isn't anything anyone can do about it.

      [–]CranialFlatulence [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      It's hard to put into words. If someone wants to cross dress, be gay, have a sex change operation, etc. I have absolutely no problem with it. Everyone is entitled to live the lifestyle they want to and shouldn't face any legal barriers to that life style.

      But at the same time, as someone with a biology major, I feel a lot of things you don't just get to choose. You don't get to choose your parents. You don't choose your race. And you don't choose your sex. These are things you're just born with whether you like it or not. It's part of your DNA.

      As far as living the lifestyle, I have no problem with it. Just like I have no problem if a white person decides to have all black friends and live more in the stereotypical black culture than the stereotypical white culture...but at the end of the day that guy is still white. Even if he finds a way to permanently darken his skin he's still a white person in my mind.

      It's a weird juxtaposition with my thoughts on human rights and equality and my thoughts on biology.

      I just wonder if being able to easily obtain official, government issued documents indicating a sex other than what you were born with can open the door for misuse, loopholes, etc.

      I just don't know....does that make any sense?

      [–]8llllllllllllD---- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      No, believe me, I get it.

      I was just making the point that if we let people pick their race or gender using only their feelings, you can't force them to comply with societal norms. You don't have to dress a certain way or look a certain way to identify as whatever you want to. At least, that is the trans logic. It's why people make attack helicopter memes and there is a hilarious video of a kid who identifies as a penguin. They're pointing out that if all you are doing is basing your identity on feelings, without any physical changes, then anyone can identify as anything and it's no ones business to tell them otherwise. Somehow trans supporters would tell the kid who wants to be a penguin he can't be one and that he shouldn't get special privileges for identifying as a penguin but a transperson on the other hand should receive special consideration for their self identification because...I don't know why, but it makes sense to them.

      [–]harisrobat293 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      The Secretary of State's change in policy that allows people to change the gender on their drivers license without requiring surgery is a win for transgender people across Michigan, a supporter of the change saysTransgender people can now change gender marker on Michigan ID without surgery.

      [–]Gishin 10ポイント11ポイント  (12子コメント)

      An article about transgendered people never fails to bring out the vitriol in the comments.

      [–]TongueDartTheFartB0x [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

      the problem is that state issued IDs deal with sex not gender (2 different things).

      It even shows it right in the fucking picture in the article

      [–]Gishin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      The problem is we can't have an article without a flurry of hateful comments about transgendered people and the sarcastic dismissal of their struggles.

      [–]UncleMeat [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Do they? Has anybody ever checked your genitals to verify what it says on your ID?

      [–]Neken88 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Disagreeing with you and vitriol are not mutually inclusive. In fact, the majority of vitriol that I see comes from overly defensive dick choppers, their fetishistic admirers, and the virtue signalling.

      [–]Gishin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      You assholes always try to mask your hate as a mere "disagreement".

      [–]SlimLovin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Disagreeing with you and vitriol are not mutually inclusive.

      No, they aren't, but they appear to be when you follow up your disagreement with some hateful bullshit, like,

      overly defensive dick choppers, their fetishistic admirers

      you hateful fuck.

      [–]DrMussintouchit 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What about Gender neutral?? You guys are such bigots for not having that option.

      [–]____________right_on [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I'm genderfluid and identify as both, what about meeeeee?

      [–]Empty777 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I don't know why I put myself through reading these comments, but I feel like I should say a few things. As a trans person, and a person with amazing trans friends, it disgusts me to see just how hateful people are. I guess I'm spoiled living in San Francisco, but this is ridiculous. Is anyone here familiar with the common trans story of being arrested and harassed for not resembling their ID? I'm guessing no. How about we grow up and stop worrying about how people choose to live, when it affects us in no way? Why do you honestly care if Jessica's ID says F, but she still has a penis?

      TL;DR Fuck y'all

      [–]Swelded 18ポイント19ポイント  (10子コメント)

      What the fuck? You can't just decide to be a girl or a guy. If you have a dick you're a man. vagin you're a woman. This world is getting so fucking stupid.

      [–]whitey71020 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I read Vagin in a middle-eastern accent. Makes it fun.

      [–]TOaFK 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Right, I don't understand how people are so naive to come up with this kind of stuff. Oh hur dur we all get to choose what gender we want to be .... maybe I should move there so I can become a woman, could be nice when going to the gym and using the locker room to be a woman.

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        [–]bald_sampson 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Shouldn't it say transsexual people can now change sex marker without surgery?

        [–]TongueDartTheFartB0x [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        ding ding ding!!! tell 'em what he's won johnny!

        exactly, it's crazy how confused these people really are. They don't even understand the basics of their own personal issues.

        Yet here we are, where sex and gender are now the same thing.

        [–]TURBOKEY 10ポイント11ポイント  (36子コメント)

        If this ultimately makes someone happy, and this ability is not misused, what business is it of mine to say if this is right or wrong?

        I may not know what it's like to be trans but I do know feeling like you are properly identified by people is an important aspect of self esteem.

        [–]die_rattin 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        It's unlikely to be misused, considering you need to have the updated gender on your passport which requires a doctor's note.

        [–]western_red 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Really? I had a passport with the wrong sex for years and no one noticed. When I got a replacement they switched it back, no note needed.

        [–]Volksgemeinschaft 10ポイント11ポイント  (24子コメント)

        Do you go through life thinking that as long as "it makes me/someone happy" that it's okay?

        [–]metallink11 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If it also doesn't negatively affect anyone else, absolutely.

        [–]TURBOKEY 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

        If it's harmless and not illegal, um, duh. This is America and pursuit of happiness is normal?

        [–]Banelingz 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Then I would like to put 6'5 as my height on my drivers license.

        [–]UncleMeat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Dude they don't measure your height at the DMV. They just ask. You can lie.

        [–]llikeafoxx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        The difference there is that if you don't appear to be 6'5" then the license isn't help identify you. But for someone that has transitioned, but not gotten surgery, it would be best for their license to reflect how they will appear to police, government, etc.

        [–]Reapter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        I would like to put white eye color and 10'2". Gonna drop that off to Ripleys. Which case we should only have a picture by then because now the system is useless.

        [–]Wdc331 6ポイント7ポイント  (14子コメント)

        I think if something makes someone happy and it doesn't hurt anyone else in the process, what's the big deal? Trans people represent a VERY small portion of the population. Clearly people aren't running to legally change their gender, so why is this an issue? Also, not every trans person can afford or wants surgery. It's a very personal medical decision that is not anyone else's business.

        [–]Jkeets777 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

        The purpose of an ID isn't to make you happy though, it's to objectively identify an individual.

        [–]UncleMeat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Yeah and printing "male" on an id of somebody who presents as a woman and maybe even passes extremely well is going to more helpful to identify that person. Right.

        [–]llikeafoxx [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        And what if someone identifies as a certain gender, isn't that part of their identity? Especially people that have transitioned, but have not gotten the surgery. Wouldn't you want the ID to reflect how that person will appear to the police, a government agency, etc.?

        [–]reading_rainbow04 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        And what if someone identifies as a certain gender, isn't that part of their identity?

        What someone personally identifies as and what they are is two completely different things. I can identify myself as a 10' tall Asian woman, but I'm not.

        [–]SlimLovin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Good thing we're talking about an individual's identity then.

        [–]cgar28 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Because basing truth on the evidence of how it impacts or doesn't Impact everyone else is nonsensical. We could start telling everyone tomorrow that evolution isn't true because it isn't hurting anyone, but that would be wrong. Truth matters.

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          [–]droidtime 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          When I comes to identifying yourself on a government ID, I think they should use their actual gender instead of whatever gender they feel like playing dress up with today.

          [–]bottomofthetop -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

          My worry is that some person faints or passes out, the medics are called and their license says a different sex than what genetically they are. I am no doctor but I am sure there are plenty of medical issues that require different treatments for men and women.

          [–]MoJeepsMoProblems 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I don't think that EMT's give pap smears and prostate exams.

          [–]beer_4_breakfast 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Then I think I need to have a word with that EMT!

          [–]bottomofthetop -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          no but they arrive on the scene for a male and give them NSAID pain relief and it turns out its a woman who is in her first trimester, well now you got a high chance of birth defects. I know it wont matter in every case but medical professional need to know the facts to do their jobs and if the patient cannot give that information they will look a their ID first.

          [–]MoJeepsMoProblems 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

          LOL, EMT's don't give painkillers. I broke my arm and dislocated my elbow. They slapped me on a backboard and tied it down. They didn't even give me a stick to bite down on.

          [–]Mobilebutts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          I got morphine in an ambulance a couple times.

          [–]Craico13 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Judging by your comment you aren't a doctor and will never be one.

          [–]CrockADial24 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Hey now your IDs can play pretend with you!

          [–]beer_4_breakfast 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Sounds like this will help transgender people without any glaring issues posed by the change. I'm for it.

          [–]FatCatLikeReflexes 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

          Other than an identification card will no longer be identifying you, because it will contain a glaring error as to your identity.

          An ID isn't for you to know who you are...

          [–]HWatch09 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Might get a little confusing for border officers.

          [–]TheRealDynamoScotch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I wonder how many will be detained on their way into Arstotzka as a result of this.

          [–]ImaDentGuy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Not moving to michigan...must be something in the water up there.

          [–]Voxel_Sigma [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          When are we going to stop playing along with these people's mental illnesses?

          [–]SlimLovin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          When it hurts you or anyone else in any way.

          Until then, enjoy being a hateful prick.

          [–]russlleingwithmyself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          When will you become a doctor and do the research necessary to reinforce your opinions?

          [–]AlabasterBear [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          Good luck getting rid of that pesky Y chromosome.

          [–]Volksgemeinschaft -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Global warming is the solution, not the problem.

          [–]fbgmoola -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          *climate change. Data debunked that name

          [–]zxcvbnasdfghqwerty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Climate change and Global warming are not the same thing.

          How do people still get that wrong?

          [–]Neken88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          The left sure loves revisionist history and feels over facts. It's the poison of sophistry.

          [–]Empty777 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

          Trans person here. This news makes me happy. :) These comments make me sad. :(

          [–]Gishin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          I can't imagine trying to use Reddit as a muslim, black person or a transgendered person. It has to be soul crushing.

          [–]Mobilebutts [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          Trans people used to be tough, they used to be out and not give a fuck what other people thought or called em. Then the liberal left with their soft racism and lowered expectations took over the community from the tough Ru Pauls of the world and created a bullshit narrative, stupid fuckn PC rules, and making government documents a lie.

          Like others have already said do you really want to become a John Doe in the morgue and your family never getting closure in your disappearance because of a stupid fuckn letter on a government ID.

          [–]SlimLovin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Yea! Transgendered people are so soft these days, getting laws passed and deflecting bullshit from ignorant fucks like you!

          do you really want to become a John Doe in the morgue and your family never getting closure in your disappearance because of a stupid fuckn letter on a government ID.

          TIL dental records aren't a thing

          [–]NostalgiaZombie [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          Affirmative Action here I come!

          [–]UncleMeat [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          Do you understand the steps it takes to get this change done? You are going to need to see a doctor, they will need to diagnose you with dyslhoria, and you will need to live as the other gender for a period of time to consider it a success.

          I'm not really worried about assholes abusing this.

          [–]SlimLovin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Neither are they. They're just happy to remain ignorant and spout hateful bullshit about burly guys fucking their daughters in Women's changing rooms.

          They haven't bothered to learn anything about the issue before they formed an opinion.

          [–]xsladex [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          Since when did we start glamourizing mental illness. Fuck it I'm gonna change my age to 6 years old and and use the kids showers at my local swimming pool. If you don't like that well then your a homophobic, bigot, gun loving, sexist pig.

          [–]russlleingwithmyself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Mental health professionals would disagree that it's an illness in the way you're making it out to be. I would love to see your work contradicting theirs. Are you a doctor? What's your degree in? What are you doing for work now?

          [–]DeadRedRussian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          These kids have too much time on their hands.

          [–]Jkeets777 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          The purpose of an ID isn't reassure/comfort you about your identity, it's to objectively identify an individual.

          [–]SlimLovin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Then it's a good thing that this is a major part of their identity.

          [–]Wolf_Shielded [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          this country is fucked

          [–]SlimLovin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Yea! People pursuing happiness in America? Who ever heard of such a thing! Truly a sign of the dark times!

          [–]russlleingwithmyself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Because of this? Really? I mean it's weird to me too, but how does it fuck this country?

          [–]CartoonTim [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          A step in the wrong direction...there are only two genders, male and female...until a "man in a woman's body" or vice versa can have their entire skeletal,reproductive and muscular systems changed to be biologically similar to the opposite sex, they are still the GENDER THEY ARE BORN WITH.

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