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[–]majoraLoLMemphis 23ポイント24ポイント  (11子コメント)

I honestly think Darmian is the best defensive option at RB there is, but the lack of production on the right hand side make it hard for him to stay on the team. Lingard is not a solid option on the right hand side as he is VERY limited. He's more a workhorse that can run behind the lines but that's pretty much it in my opinion. This then puts allot of pressure on Darmian to produce offensively with crosses and that never was one of his strong points.

If we had a right winger that could produce crosses inside the box, cut the defense down or anything else, there would be less pressure on Darmian and he would then be able to do what he does best and help out. He can produce crosses from time to time, but to rely on him is not an option.

Varela is really good offensively and can deliver those crosses, but defensively is not able to cope without help from his CB's, as shown by the Coutinho goal yesterday. Smalling should have come help and limit Coutinho's options while Blind and Rojo cover the runners into the box.

In essence I'm saying these 2 players alone could perform better if the other players around them help them. That's what a team is for.

[–]dugnessSAF 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can't agree more. I've said this before but I think Lingard is an attacking midfielder/No.10 rather than a winger. He looked far more positive when he was trying to penetrate through the middle last night. He's pretty good on the turn, nimble in tight spaces and is pretty quick over 5 yards but he hasn't got the power to beat defenders over 10-15 yards. He's not going to commit many full backs to the tackle because they know they can win the duel over distance.

[–]Jai_rjsDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly Lingard doesn't have the technique to beat a defender which is very important for a RW. Look at Martial he loves to take a man on and beat him. Martial tested Clyne with his unpredictable movement yesterday. That's what you want from a winger not just spraying in dozens of meaningless crosses.

[–]majoraLoLMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but I find that he's too weak physically to play as a 10.. Same with mata. Luxury 10's.

[–]AlpacamyLlama[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Darmian has impressed me at times, and it was great to see a RB who could defend. When we had him on one side and Shaw on the other, things were looking excellent.

I definitely agree about the RW - Lingard is probably not good enough, and Mata is being played out of position. I just feel United have had so much success from overlapping full backs, and this is something where Darmian falls down on. Serie A is far more measured and disciplined, and maybe it's a way that suits him better.

I would be surprised if he was still here next season.

[–]majoraLoLMemphis 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think he would go to Serie A. He's big and versatile and many teams would want that in their team. I think he should stay at united as he can get better at doing his offensive work BUT defensive positioning etc cannot be learned easily. Having a defensive RB would mean you could play a "lazy" winger that wouldnt have to do as much defensive work, a player like memphis tbh. Memphis' knock has ALWAYS been his defensive work, sure he can do it something but I'm pretty sure he would perfer not to. So keeping darmian would actually open more doors than shipping him out to the Serie A or something like that

[–]AlpacamyLlama[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

True. It sounds like Bayern are sniffing around after him, so he could move that way instead

[–]majoraLoLMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pep specifically was a big fan of him. He's moving to city and I highly doubt united will sell Darmian to city

[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's be realistic if pep wanted him he would be a bayern player

[–]ThadderfulRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Other way round mate, much easier to learn defensive stuff

[–]zakuzorMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know how many of you have thought about this, but varela has the pace, dribbling and a decent cross on him to play as a winger. Play darmian behind him at right back. I really think this could work. What do you guys think?

[–]hegoburuRooney 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe. It's one thing attacking the wings as a fullback - there's more space and it provides an opportunity to get up some pace when running at players. Not convinced that Varela has the tactical/technical nous to receive balls under pressure and then beat the man.

Don't think we'll ever find out though. Don't see LvG playing him there, and his successor needs to buy an out and out RW.

[–]dugnessSAF 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think Darmian is the kind of full back Mourinho will like. He's a great tackler but his positioning has been a little off since around Christmas time. I think that if we weren't set up to be prone to get caught out on the counter, because we are, Matteo wouldn't have so much trouble. Look at everyone who's played RB in the last 2 seasons, they always seem to be out of position. I don't think that's a personal deficiency, rather the way we go about attacking.

[–]anothernumber_Keane 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, I think his defensive awareness and drive going forward would be pivotal if we manage to sign a top class right winger - someone who can draw people out and at times require doubling up the same way Martial does on the left. Darmian gets a bad rep for his final ball in this sub and I seriously haven't got the faintest idea why, perhaps it's just because of his lack of opportunity due to injury, not being selected or because his attacking contributions aren't supplemented by a quality player ahead of him which proves detrimental to his play.

Full backs are an essential attacking outlet in football now. Darmian is of very high quality as shown in his first few weeks but has suffered due to various reasons as well as adapting to the league, but like you said I think under Mourinho who provides what I see as a better transition from attack-defence and vice-versa Darmian would flourish.

[–]bushyreissueGiggs 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good post. I agree with most of it and certainly miss Rafael's spirit and drive, although he did always have a few slip ups in him.

Meanwhile I think if Mourinho comes in, Valencia would actually be his ideal RB. He's somewhat like a faster Ivanovic and I can see Mourinho relying on him on the right side. He'd just need a little more instruction in fulfilling his defensive duties.

[–]El_Giganto 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can't just give instructions and let a player like Valencia simply do them. He's good, but he makes a lot of defensive errors. Darmian would be better if you ask me.

[–]bushyreissueGiggs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh yeah I agree. I meant more precise defensive training than simply telling him what to do. I honestly think Valencia has the capabilities to be a good right back, but until now he has really just been a right midfielder filling in in that position and it shows.

[–]Tuffyy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am a personal huge fan of Darmian. I think one he's down on confidence as the whole team is and I do believe like others are saying, he needs a solid RW to really excel. He sometimes gives some great crosses into the box and when lingard shows up to play, his overlapping is also very good at times. I think if he can develop a solid partnership with whoever we bring in to play on right wing (where he can stay focused on defense which is definitely his strength) our ride side will be much more solid. And I believe he needs to stay at right back, yes he can play left back, but he's not a great left back and isn't comfortable playing on the left. He catches most of his flack after a game that he plays left back. He didn't win best Italian right back for nothing

[–]georgew__ 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lack of balance along the back four nowadays, rafael could get forward at will because he had vidic and ferdinand covering and there was an understanding between the midfield and the full back knowing that if he got forward a midfielder someone had to cover. This team is not cohesive enough to have that understanding as we were often caught on the break with equal numbers against liverpool. Smalling is a great defender, but blind is not good enough a defender to play in a type of system with wingers not recovering and full backs bombing.

[–]El_Giganto 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed, Blind's position is a strange one, honestly. With full backs being a position that changes every single game, he can't get used to who plays next to him. Some of the players certainly are a lot more reliable than others. With his pace being an obvious problem, him going forward to play the ball is an obvious issue if a fullback bombs forward around the same time.

[–]georgew__ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was shocked that smalling didn't get across to cover for coutinho's goal. You see your young inexperienced fullback being taken on by a player like coutinho and you are spare in the box and you don't get across and stop coutinho from coming inside.

[–]El_Giganto 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that's a good point. I feel like Smalling and Blind are much closer in quality than this sub likes to believe. Smalling has a few things to him that makes him better, but Blind does things no one in this squad can do at center back.

[–]SarcasticDevilRafael 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't necessarily agree with how you've ranked the players on their technical ability. You've said Valencia is the more technical option compared to Rafael but I don't really see that. I'd say Valencia is better at knowing the limits of his own ability but he's not a particularly technical player. Rafa's issues were in his head and injuries but I always thought he was technically excellent for a right back, and better than Valencia

[–]PenPaperShotgun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate when people try to analyse on this subreddit.

[–]TheJoshider10De Gea 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Who the fuck even downvotes this level of discussion. Guess some idiots really love the constant pitchforking back and forth between LVG in and out.

[–]AlpacamyLlama[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wondered that myself. I think there are some on this sub who actually believe discussing United-related issues is something to be criticised.

[–]TheJoshider10De Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. Anyway, great read and thanks for adding some proper discussion and stuff to think about on the sub!

[–]ashyandyKeano 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find this discussion incredibly speculative and I don't appreciate OP trying to uncover Fergie's train of thought.

[–]RVallant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think selling Rafael was a mistake. Yeah, injuries, whatever, Darmian's got them too, should we sell him? (Yeah, disregard that.)

Personally, I never quite understood the dislike for Rafael in favour of Valencia. For one thing, Rafael is better going forward, Valencia has stunted for a while now, he has one or two good moments but is very hesistent, whereas Rafael is almost fear-less in his attacking approach.

Defensively, there is no question Rafael is superior to Valencia, the amount of goals we conceded last season due to Valencia's positioning errors, missed tackled, failure to track the right player, all understandable as he isn't a natural there, really was overlooked by a lot of fans who seemed to be tricked into thinking he was good for his occasional tackle.

Rafael also had something that other players sold by LVG had, which was an understanding of United through and through. He was one of the more passionate players. Sure that doesn't amount to much, especially not in LVG's 'robotic' mode, but that is something that this team really bloody needs.

I have high hopes for both Darmian and Varela in the future, I can imagine if Mou came in they would be told to be the more defensive of the full backs in order to accommodate a rampaging Luke Shaw on the left, especially if Mou plays with the single-pivot 4-3-3/4-5-1 as opposed to LVG's lovely double. >_>

We shall see though.

[–]combatwombat02Scholes -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Surely there's got to be a less spammy way - just do one big post for each manager? I admire the effort but it's just not tidy and it's hard to keep up with.

[–]AlpacamyLlama[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I plan on doing one a day. It's more a discussion point of each position as much as anything. I imagine if I put a post on about LvG's players in particular or Mourinho's in particular, it'll be deleted in no time!