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[Spoilers] Boku dake ga Inai Machi - Episode 11 [Discussion] (self.anime)

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[–]LightBladeNova 176ポイント177ポイント  (46子コメント)

REKT. A-1 Pictures, you've done it (by this, I mean that the director decided not to cut this part out of the story lol).

For those saying it's not NTR, you're right, it's not. It's more that the audience got NTR'd instead of Satoru.

But given how much the anime has been hinting and teasing at shipping/romance between him and Kayo (the anime is even more blatant than the manga about this), combined with all their relationship-building scenes, I think people have every right to feel upset. You can argue from a realism perspective (not realistic for Kayo to wait that long, and Satoru never claimed to have feelings for her anyway, and vice versa, and that Satoru's objective was to save lives, not get romance) that this is all acceptable, and I wouldn't disagree (especially since the characters themselves are happy), but from a storytelling perspective, it's probably not the most satisfying development for many people, also because we get almost nothing between Kayo and Hiromi in terms of relationship-building. And a side character like Hiromi of all people, lol.

So yeah, salt is justified. Keep it coming.

(Personally, I have no strong feelings about this either way. It's good that Kayo has achieved some real happiness for herself, and I'm not really upset about the outcome, but I'm just stating the reasons why this may not be the case for others haha).

But even without the pseudo-NTR, this episode has other problems. They cut out most of Yashiro's backstory (the most important part, since that explains his motivations) as well as the Airi scenes. Now she's an even more irrelevant character.

[–]wigsinatorhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Wigsinator 73ポイント74ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'd have been more fine with it if it were Kenya, because we've had SOME signs that he was into Kayo.

[–]ClearingFlagshttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/ClearingFlags 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah this was my problem too.

I get that she had all those years to develop with the trap, but it feels really shoehorned in. Like they needed her to get with one of the friends, but Kenya has a part to play in the plot still, so they dumped her onto the other of the short lived "trio" of heroes.

It felt really... scripted? I guess?

[–]exxit5408 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it was trying to make a point. In the original timeline, both Hiromi and Kayo were killed by the murderer. It just goes to show that Satoru's effort was able to save two lives that could even go on to produce one, albeit at the cost of his own lifetime

[–]Momonekohttp://myanimelist.net/profile/ariapokoteng 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kenya was probably too much of a bro to steal a girl from his closest friend.

I'd rather she got together with someone completely unknown to the audience.

[–]alexber88 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man, they were like 10 years old. Satoru was actually the weird one being so outspoken to Kayo, but it really is irrelevant after 15 years. It is really normal for Kayo and Hitomi who are childhood friends to one day fall for each other.

[–]The_Great_Saiyaman21 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kenya is the real OG bro, he wouldn't do that. He knew how much Kayo meant to him.

[–]Ayan_Fausthttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/AyanFaust 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

While not many, there are a few with Hiromi as well. Like Hiromi bringing loads of books for her to read and generally making her more comfortable.

[–]kancolle_nigga 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

what does NTR even mean?

[–]Catfish017 41ポイント42ポイント  (3子コメント)

Netorare. Essentially the Japanese word for "cuckold."

[–]kancolle_nigga 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

But Satoru and Kayo weren't a couple? Or were they?

[–]The_Great_Saiyaman21 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were in my heart.

[–]DarkLoliMaster 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They had a little thing going on but it couldn't blossom cause coma.

[–]hiero_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except it wasn't A-1 that did it, it was the author. This is how the manga was, too.

[–]Abedeus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The manga makes the whole thing less annoying by actually showing that they did meet after Kayo left.

[–]Shiroi_Kage 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think people have every right to feel upset

When you add 15 years of him not being there, I wouldn't be mad even if they were married before the coma.

[–]Besuh 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

yea but hiromi and kayo had 15 years to build their relationship. Obviously we see none of it. And I think we all feel bad That Satoru basically sacrificed his life for them and his mom and no one knows any better. It's pretty fucking fucked up :[ i got feels for him

[–]Good_Guy_James 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

cough people are forgetting Airi cough, cough

[–]RecklessLitany 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah that girl that Satorou has literally never even met in this timeline. They had such great chemistry.

[–]shearmanator 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

though, i find it pleasing that two characters, who were to have died, ended up together.

[–]a_pale_horsehttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/apalehorse 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

she was cuter as a kid anyway...

but really, what I think made the 'reveal' not very satisfying is the fact that they interrupted the continuity of the story so strongly with the coma time lapse, but that goes for the episode overall as well.

eh.

[–]Shippoyasha 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. It is fairly clear in the anime that Satoru was developing feelings for Kayo. I guess that is the shame of it. They didn't become a couple when they were younger, but they were a few dates away from solidifying them being boyfriend/girlfriend.

[–]Injuredism 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

salt

The only thing I can add is that in episode 1 he mentions when he goes back in time, it usually costs him personally, so it makes sense it costs him 15 years to save his hometown + mom.

[–]JetstreamRam 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

People that get overly attached to the "romantic" feelings of elementary school kids in a fictional story, can go fuck themselves.

It was pretty poetic how in saving both Kayo and Hiromi, Satoru indirectly led to the creation of another life, as /u/V1G pointed out. I do agree that this could have been hinted at better (it was slightly hinted at when Hiromi revealed he had a troubled family life, while walking home with Satoru in a similar way as Kayo).

As for whether the audience got NTR'd, why should the "heroine" always be expected to hook up with the hero (who is usually the analogue for the viewer)? I don't wanna bring up any fancy feminist rhetoric, but this pattern of viewer entitlement can lead to more stories with shitty, forced romantic subplots to indulge the viewer's fantasies. Authors need to respect their own characters, story and vision.

[–]buc_nasty_69 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

On why the audience got NTR'd, the anime couldn't have pushed they're relationship any harder. It's even all over the official artwork. Of course people are gonna be upset. I honestly feel like the show has steadily gotten worse since Kayo's situation was resolved. She kinda just stopped being relevant after that. And who knows where the fuck Airi fits into any of this.

[–]JetstreamRam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just find it ridiculous that NTR is even being brought up. They're (they were) children for fucks sake.

[–]shadedclanhttp://myanimelist.net/profile/shadedclan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I personally was salty that they didn't end up together. I was frustrated at how all that effort put into saving her but not getting the girl. Although i kinda accepted it when Satoru was happy to have been able to save the life of the person he tried so hard to protect. He was so happy to see the fruits of his labor with the happy face of Kayo and her kid.

[–]The_Great_Saiyaman21 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was hoping somehow (even though it would be impossible/gross/weird) that it was Satoru's child. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BUT THE KAYO SHIP SINKING HURTS MY HEART.

[–]fearandloath8 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

WHAT IS ALL THIS TALK ABOUT SHIPS!? FIRST I HAVE TO GOOGLE NTR BUT THIS IS UNGOOGABLE. UNGOOGLEABLE. UNGOOGLEBLE. UNGOOO-- fuck it.

[–]xPurplepatchxhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Purplepatch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The verb for wanting two characters to be together is called "shipping". Adding to that, a "ship" is like the noun for two characters having a shot at being together. For example, me saying "I ship IchiRukia (or Ichigo x Rukia)" means that I want Ichigo and Rukia to be in a canonical relationship. The "ship" sinks when there is no longer a feasible way for the characters to be together.

[–]Almost_Ascended 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Airi, you're our only hope!

[–]NavyCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm confused as to how Airi would make sense at this point because he doesn't know her. What were her scenes in the manga?

[–]MSEphemeral 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If his objective is to save lives, he's actually really bad at it. Being in that coma means the killer still killed people, and all those people he saved with his ability are now dead.

[–]_OhBoy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, there's more to Airi?

[–]razor150 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The manga was the same way, so nothing to do with A-1. The conversation between him and Kayo was actually better, imo, in the anime. I think it shows that she really did love him, at least as much as a child her age could.

I do agree the transition is awkward, especially since people expected Saturo to end up with Kayo somehow and it definitely felt like a rug being swiftly pulled out from under you.

Manga Spoiler

[–]MidwinterGhost 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

NTR is supposed to oppress the reader, not the characters in the story.

[–]RoboWarriorSr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The anime skipped a lot of stuff that would at least make the interactions understandable especially with Airi. Now you know how manga readers felt lol.

[–]UGAShadow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This, this is why people hate anime. Because of the fans.

Seriously? This causes salt....

[–]HaydenTheFoxhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Talmhaidh_Mathan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's good that Kayo has achieved some real happiness for herself, and I'm not really upset about the outcome, but I'm just stating the reasons why this may not be the case for others

I want to be happy about it, but all of the setup so far, and especially his previous jump forward in time where he simply returns to the resent has set me up to believe that they would be a couple, or at least have some kind of developed relationship. Having her be in a relationship with one of his friends is an emotional betrayal of the audience, and while it's a reasonable, realistic outcome, it was a poor decision given the nature of the entire rest of the show.

[–]Abyss333333http://myanimelist.net/profile/abyss333 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The way i am feeling right now is completely the same when I read a NTR. idk man, this just fucking hurts. we have been shipping them for so long.

[–]Atariohttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/TheGreatAtario -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The salt is not justified. Not even a little. The people bitching about this are the same people who bitch about how their own lives turned out, like it owed them. That ain't the way the world works, folks.

[–]Abedeus 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I wish I had time travel powers.

I'm just angry that author thought that Kayo NEEDED a romantic partner STAT, and threw in the only guy who showed no interest in girls.

[–]Atariohttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/TheGreatAtario -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

15 years is super too long to put one's life on hold waiting for a comatose person to wake up. And as others pointed out, she would have things in common with him, both having been isolated enough to be targets.

[–]wh1036 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the original timeline Kayo and Hiromi are murdered both murdered at a young age. Because of Satoru they both got to live full happy lives and a loving family, something neither of them had as children (Hiromi didn't get much screen time but we know his parents were never around and he was always lonely). If Kayo had to end up with a side character, Hiromi was definitely the most satisfying choice.